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Monday, July 08, 2019

President Donald Trump on Sunday accused the New York Times of publishing "phony and exaggerated accounts" in its expose on the child migrant center in Clint, Texas.

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Let him spend a week in one under the same conditions and see if his opinion is the same.

#1 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-08 04:01 AM | Reply

#1 So it's worse than living Guatemala? Shocking.

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-07-08 08:15 AM | Reply

Let him spend a week in one under the same conditions and see if his opinion is the same

#1 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-08 04:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Make sure no one gives him diapers.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-08 08:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1


... President Donald Trump on Sunday accused the New York Times of publishing "phony and exaggerated accounts" in its expose on the child migrant center in Clint, Texas. ...

The Department of Homeland Security's Office of the Inspector General also published similar findings.

Why doesn't Pres Trump just fix the crisis he created instead of yelling "fake news?"

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-08 09:48 AM | Reply

There is disease sweeping through the concentration camps now. It's a crime against humanity that we are doing this to people, simply because they believe in the American Dream.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-08 12:38 PM | Reply

The bloated------------ will soon be denying the deaths of the migrant children who perished in his concentration camps.

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-07-08 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Does anyone know if there are plans to build ovens?

#7 | Posted by contrecoup at 2019-07-08 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#1 So it's worse than living Guatemala? Shocking.

#2 | Posted by HeliumRat

They separate families and keep kids in cages in Guatemala?

I did not know that.

#8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-08 12:50 PM | Reply

The Nazis denied they were keeping the Jews in inhuman conditions too.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-08 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why doesn't Pres Trump just fix the crisis he created instead of yelling "fake news?"
#4 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2019-07-08 09:48 AM | REPLY

Because people like AOC in congress won't vote yes to allow the funding. They want problems.

#10 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-07-08 01:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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Whatever happened to the country who, after WWII, went all around the world convincing countries (some at the point of a gun) to join the UN, and to sign the (written by the US) Human Rights Conventions, and sign up for the International Criminal Courts... and sanctioned other countries for doing exactly what we are doing now? Where did that country go?

#11 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 01:10 PM | Reply

Where did that country go?

It's chained up in the RNC's headquarters basement right next to the GOP's morals, values, integrity and patriotism.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-08 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Where did that country go?

It just passed a bipartisan $4.5 billion spending appropriation to put resources in place to improve the situation. Our resources are being overwhelmed.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-08 01:18 PM | Reply

"Our resources are being overwhelmed."

Only because of Trump's stupid and inhumane policies.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Because people like AOC in congress won't vote yes to allow the funding. They want problems.

#10 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

They refused to fund more cages. These people don't need to be detained for a misdemeanor charge. It was not done under previous administrations, only those charged with felonies. Also asylum-seeking is not a crime, under international laws signed by the US.

For the most part, they have to enter the US in order to request asylum, so their entry is therefore not illegal. Detaining them at a port of entry (where it is legal for them to enter) is circumventing the law (what POTUS likes to refer to as "loopholes").

The US, by the way, is not "full". The average population density between the Mississippi River and California is ~10 people/sq. mi. www.census.gov

#15 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No, it's due to a flood of people exploiting our asylum laws and are being encouraged to do so by people not named Trump.

Catch and release was a terrible policy.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-08 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#15

They are free to go back to where they came from.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-08 01:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Our resources are being overwhelmed.

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Exeeding the resources of the richest nation in the history of planet Earth?

#18 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

According to DHS 90% fail to show for the court appearances.

#18 please understand our appropriations process.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-08 01:31 PM | Reply

They are free to go back to where they came from.

#17 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

International law, signed by the US (and US law) says different. Why do republicans hate the rule of law these days? "You don't like the laws, change them". Isn't that what we always hear from the right?

#20 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 01:32 PM | Reply

International law, signed by the US (and US law) says different.

What TF are you talking about...that we have to keep them in the US if they want to return to their home countries? Please cite the international law that keeps them from doing that, and show the class your work.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-08 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did he deny it strongly? If so, then according to the Trumpian rulebook, we must believe him!

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-08 01:37 PM | Reply

According to DHS 90% fail to show for the court appearances.
#19 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You only can find that number from right-leaning sources.

OTOH:

According to DOJ statistics, between 2013 and 2017, 92 percent of asylum seekers appeared in court to receive a final decision on their claims. In FY 2018, 89.4 percent of those who applied for asylum complied with their court hearing obligations. Out of 66,592 final asylum decisions, 7,072 denials were the result of the asylum seeker failing to appear in court.
  • 92 percent of individuals who filed asylum claims attended their court hearings between fiscal years 2013 and 2017
  • Asylum seekers released from detention to pursue their claims attend immigration court hearings nearly 100 percent of the time
  • In a 15-year study, 92 percent of asylum-seeking families who were released from immigration detention attended all immigration court hearings
  • 98.8 percent of children with legal counsel showed up for their court hearings in 2018
  • The rate of missed hearings for individuals who passed a credible fear interview has dropped by nearly 25 percent since 2012
  • www.humanrightsfirst.org

    #23 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

    --The US, by the way, is not "full". The average population density between the Mississippi River and California is ~10 people/sq. mi. www.census.gov

    Always get a laugh out of that one. It's totally irrelevant. People choose to live in concentrations. Been that way since the beginning of civilization.

    #24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-08 01:45 PM | Reply

    What does that have to do with whether it is "full" or not. Most of the places where people live now were "empty" 100 years ago, e.g., California, Washington, Oregon. Why do the right always have plenty of excuses for not doing the right thing?

    #25 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


    @#10 ... Because people like AOC in congress won't vote yes to allow the funding. They want problems. ...

    It really looks as if it is Pres Trump who wants the crisis at the border. Why? ... to excite his base.

    For example...

    Trump just said he "certainly wouldn't sign" an immigration bill his White House helped write (June 2018)
    www.vox.com

    ...Trump might have torpedoed a bill that even immigration hardliners in his administration like Stephen Miller were trying to pass.

    Members of President Trump's White House -- including immigration hardliners like Stephen Miller -- have been hard at work with Republicans in the House of Representatives on crafting a "compromise" immigration bill for the House to vote on next week.

    Trump himself may just have torpedoed it.

    On Fox & Friends Friday morning, Trump mentioned that he's "looking at" the two immigration bills the House is set to vote on next week: the conservative bill written by Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) and the compromise bill that House leadership has crafted with input from moderate Republicans and the White House. Then he said this:

    .@realDonaldTrump on immigration bills in Congress: "I'm looking at both of them. I certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one."
    -- David Chalian (@DavidChalian) June 15, 2018

    The "more moderate" bill was explicitly designed to adhere to the "four pillars" that Trump mandated in January be a part of any immigration deal: money for the "wall" he wants to build on the US-Mexico border; elimination of the diversity visa lottery; curbing family-based immigration (which the Trump administration refers to as "chain migration"); and a way for the immigrants currently facing the loss of their protections under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to apply for formal legal status in the US.

    It also gives the Trump administration what it's been demanding more recently, as it's turned its attention to trying to reduce the number of asylum seekers (especially Central Americans, and especially families) coming into the US without papers: It drastically raises the bar for the initial screening that allows someone to stay in the US and pursue an asylum case; it allows the US to turn back any asylum seeker who's come through Mexico and tell them to seek asylum there instead; and it allows children to be detained indefinitely by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (which the Trump administration claims is the only alternative to separating them from their parents at the border)...


    So Pres Trump didn't even want to sign a Republican-written bill that incorporated his "four pillars"?

    The lack of a new immigration law is not the fault of the Democrats. Even the bill proposed by the Republican controlled Congress could not get the signature of Pres Trump.

    #26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-08 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

    #23

    I got that number from the head of DHS.

    #27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-08 01:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

    I got that number from the head of DHS.

    #27 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    Appointed by the liar-in-chief, right?

    #28 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 02:02 PM | Reply

    "Human Rights First is a premier institution devoted to the noblest of all causes. " -- Senator John McCain (R-AZ)

    #29 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 02:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

    #15
    They are free to go back to where they came from.

    POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-08 01:28 PM | REPLY

    Or we could honour the Statue of Liberty.

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    #30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-08 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

    Re: #29, What's funny about that, Nulli?

    #31 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 02:56 PM | Reply

    They are free to go back to where they came from.
    #17 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    So, these kids, who where torn away from their families and thrown into cages, they're free to go back to the countries they were fleeing from?

    Compassion is clearly your strong suit.

    #32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-08 03:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

    Re: #29, What's funny about that, Nulli?

    #31 | Posted by WhoDaMan

    He's a bitter and politically confused old curmudgeon who spends his days shouting at clouds by flagging posts "Funny" that don't have a lick of comedic content, thinking he's doing a 'gotcha!'

    He, Sheeple, Andrea, and ROC are like the 'flag team' at high school. Not enough talent to be in the band but in need the attention.

    #33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-08 03:09 PM | Reply

    Maybe we should send the descendants of those fleeing the Irish Potato Famine back to Ireland, too.

    #34 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-07-08 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    The Smithsonian's National Museum of American History requested drawings made by recently released migrant children, it was reported Monday -- the same day that the United Nations human rights chief said she was "appalled" at the conditions faced by migrants in U.S. custody.

    "The museum has a long commitment to telling the complex and complicated history of the United States and to documenting that history as it unfolds," the museum said in a statement to CNN.

    The drawings captured the horrors on another level, showing the detained children's experiences through their own eyes.

    "The fact that the drawings are so realistic and horrific gives us a view into what these children have experienced," Dr. Colleen Kraft, immediate past president of the AAP, told CNN.

    Raw Story

    #35 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-07-08 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

    Why do the right always have plenty of excuses for not doing the right thing?

    It prevents the party of personal responsibility from having to be responsible about anything.

    Pollution? Other countries are doing it and it's too late to do anything about it. Nothing can be done.

    Gun violence? Criminals will get guns regardless of our efforts, school shootings are part of being free. Nothing can be done.

    Homelessness? It's their own fault for being lazy drug addicts. They should have done better in school. Nothing can be done.

    Immigration? America is full. Nothing can be done.

    #36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-08 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    --by flagging posts "Funny" that don't have a lick of comedic content, thinking he's doing a 'gotcha!'

    Like these, AmericanElvis?

    POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-08 01:57 PM | REPLY | FLAGGED FUNNY BY CLOWNSHACK

    POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-08 01:28 PM | REPLY | FLAGGED FUNNY BY CLOWNSHACK

    POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-08 01:26 PM | REPLY | FLAGGED FUNNY BY CLOWNSHACK

    #37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-08 03:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

    Because people like AOC in congress won't vote yes to allow the funding. They want problems.

    #10 | POSTED BY comrade FISHYP****

    Why is every post from you a lie?
    ..... and why do you hate America so much?

    #38 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-08 06:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

    Translation: "Only I can abuse the flag system!"

    Yea. I get it Dulli.. carry on with b¡tching.

    #39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-08 06:08 PM | Reply

    Why is every post from you a lie?

    He's a Republican. He's allergic to the truth.

    #40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-08 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Our resources are being overwhelmed.

    #13 | Posted by JeffJ

    That's like saying peopel told you that hundreds would be showing up for your retirement party but you only made plans for 20 people.

    And now when they all show up you don't have enough resources!

    You don't have enough resources because you are an idiot.

    #41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-08 06:33 PM | Reply

    Donner

    Just a couple of months ago Dems and the MSM were lecturing that this is a fake crisis.

    Also, as I said upthread, understand the appropriations process. The reason a bipartisan $4.5 billion bill passed is because funding for this was insufficient.

    #42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-08 06:48 PM | Reply

    Just a couple of months ago Dems and the MSM were lecturing that this is a fake crisis.

    Immigration is a fake crisis.

    The way we're locking up asylum seekers, separating family members, leaving them in inhospitable conditions, allowing them to get diseases and die while in US custody... is the crisis.

    #43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-08 06:52 PM | Reply

    Just a couple of months ago Dems and the MSM were lecturing that this is a fake crisis.

    Because it is? humpy created this crisis. So humpy could solve this crisis.

    Only Humpy didn't realize he cannot solve this crisis without the help of Congress.

    Who he is a war with. Oops! So now he has a crisis he created that he cannot solve.

    The reason a bipartisan $4.5 billion bill passed is because funding for this was insufficient.

    #42 | Posted by JeffJ

    humpy says it was partisan. Who to believe?

    And $2.88 billion is not sufficient? Says who?

    Trumpy and the deplorables just did not like the fact that Congress had placed restriction on how he could use the money (not for a retarded wall).

    So the Senate will try and pass a bill more to Humpy's liking. Which will not pass the House...so round and round we go while families are destroyed and children slowly die. We have been here before.

    After ignoring the Administration's request for desperately needed funding to address the humanitarian crisis at the border for over a month, and despite the efforts of the House minority, the House majority has put forward a partisan bill that underfunds necessary accounts and seeks to take advantage of the current crisis by inserting policy provisions that would make our country less safe.

    Like restricting how Trump spends our taxpayer money somehow makes us less safe?

    What a joke these deploreables are.

    #44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-08 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "Catch and release was a terrible policy."

    It was a far better policy than Trump's 100% family separation policy.

    #45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "No, it's due to a flood of people exploiting our asylum laws and are being encouraged to do so by people not named Trump. "

    --------.
    Immigration hasn't changed much.
    Trump's Gulag-inspired response to immigration is the crisis.

    #46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 07:08 PM | Reply

    "They are free to go back to where they came from."

    That's not how detention works, JeffJ.

    #47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 07:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    "Just a couple of months ago Dems and the MSM were lecturing that this is a fake crisis."

    The crisis is entirely of Trump's making.
    Your refusal to acknowledge that fact is pathetic.

    #48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 07:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    That's not how detention works, JeffJ.
    #47 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    No no no no, its not how due process works ....

    The crisis is entirely of Trump's making. ~ Snoofy

    LOL now thats some sophistry......

    Immigration hasn't changed much.

    What does "Immigration" mean in this context, also define "change much".

    DACA and Hillary's destruction of Honduras started this train.

    #49 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-08 08:12 PM | Reply

    It was a far better policy than Trump's 100% family separation policy.
    #45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Obama had a policy of separating families for safety reasons, this has been quoted to you by Obama Admin offical, you ignore it ....

    Obama built the childrens detention center, it held 1200 children, Trump put in 1400 ...

    Photos as more evidence ....
    www.businessinsider.com

    Those are facts ...

    #50 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-08 08:15 PM | Reply

    "No no no no, its not how due process works ...."

    Since you brought it up, due process is in fact being denied to refugees and asylum seekers.
    And this is part and parcel of how the crisis is being manufactured.

    #51 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 08:19 PM | Reply

    "Obama had a policy of separating families for safety reasons"

    Good.

    Trump has a policy of separating 100% of children from their families, not for safety reasons, but to deter immigrants.

    #52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "Obama built the childrens detention center, it held 1200 children"

    Unaccompanied minors who came here without their parents

    "Trump put in 1400 ... "

    After taking the children from their parents, because of his "Zero Tolerance" policy.

    It is exactly this policy which is causing the crisis. www.dhs.gov

    #53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 08:23 PM | Reply

    "Obama had a policy of separating families for safety reasons"

    Good.
    #52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    But just yesterday you claimed otherwise. Was it the evidence that changed your mind?

    With evidence so readily available, why have you been lying for the past six months?

    #54 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:18 PM | Reply

    After taking the children from their parents, because of his "Zero Tolerance" policy.
    #53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    You mean Trump won't send kids to jail with their parents while they await their court hearing for illegally crossing the border?

    #55 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:19 PM | Reply

    "But just yesterday you claimed otherwise."

    You're mis-characterizing my comments.
    Obama did not have a blanket policy of separating 100% of families for safety reasons.

    When you're prepared to address reality, it will be here.

    #56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #56 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Nope. It's YOU that mis-characterizes everyone else's statements. Then slithers around denying your own.

    "Obama did the same thing"

    Nope.

    Obama kept families in detention together.

    POSTED BY SNOOFY

    #57 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:33 PM | Reply

    Trump has a policy of separating 100% of children from their families, not for safety reasons, but to deter immigrants.
    #52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Their parents are in jail awaiting a court hearing for illegally crossing the border.

    Why would you want kids in jail? Another thing to scream about?

    #58 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:36 PM | Reply

    "Why would you want kids in jail?"

    I don't.

    Keep digging, you can find more false arguments!

    #59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 09:37 PM | Reply

    If their parents are in jail, how can they be together unless the kids are in jail too?

    What jailhouse in America is run like that? Can you name any parent-child jails in the US?

    #60 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:40 PM | Reply

    Nope.

    Obama kept families in detention together.

    POSTED BY SNOOFY

    How have you been mis-characterized?

    #61 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:41 PM | Reply

    Why would you want kids in jail? Another thing to scream about?

    #58 | Posted by SheepleSchism

    If Trump hadn't begun a policy of charging asylum seekers, the parents wouldn't be in jail and the family wouldn't be separated.

    See how that works?

    #62 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-07-08 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Why have you been mis-characterizing Obama's separation policy?

    #63 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:42 PM | Reply

    - If Trump hadn't begun a policy of charging asylum seekers

    You mean border-jumpers who get caught, then claim asylum?

    They're simply repeating what they were told to say in order to take advantage of loopholes in our immigration laws.

    #64 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:44 PM | Reply

    "Their parents are in jail awaiting a court hearing for illegally crossing the border."

    Well, they should have their kids with them.
    Separating families is needlessly traumatizing.
    That's why Trump is doing it, he is traumatizing the children to make deterrent examples of them.

    #65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "If their parents are in jail"

    Immigrant parents are in detention, not jail.

    #66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 09:48 PM | Reply

    - That's why Trump is doing it

    The parents are doing it to their own kids. They are knowingly crossing an international border illegally,

    Sessions made it clear 2 years ago that illegal crossers would be prosecuted. That is the deterrence; prosecution.

    These parents are aware of the what they're putting their children through and that didn't stop them.

    #67 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:50 PM | Reply

    #66 They're awaiting prosecution.

    #68 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:51 PM | Reply

    "The parents are doing it to their own kids"

    The parents aren't separating themselves from their children.
    The United States Border Patrol separates the parents from their children.

    #69 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 09:51 PM | Reply

    #69 Snoofy word games.

    #70 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:52 PM | Reply

    Oh look, Snoofy's word game is a 69.

    how fitting.

    #71 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:53 PM | Reply

    "The parents are doing it to their own kids"

    That's right. It's not a kids fault that their parents make them shoplift, panhandle, or cross borders.

    But their parents know the dangers and the consequences.

    #72 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:54 PM | Reply

    You think that drowned kid last week said, "Hey daddy, lets swim across the river to the US"?

    Nope. That father endangered his kid. and she died as a result of his actions, and his actions alone.

    #73 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 09:56 PM | Reply

    "It's not a kids fault that their parents make them shoplift, panhandle, or cross borders."

    It's entirely Trump's fault that their kids are taken away.

    #74 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "That father endangered his kid. and she died as a result of his actions, and his actions alone."

    Whatever.
    Plenty of people cross rivers without dying.
    You'd take all their children away, permanently I presume, or is there an end game?

    #75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 09:59 PM | Reply

    It's the parents fault for putting themselves and their children in harms way by violating a federal offense.

    It's not that States fault when a parent violates the law and is caught, detained, and charged with a crime.

    In any other situation, the child of such a parent would be handed over to child welfare and placed in a foster home, which is the process here.

    But for the fact that the system has been intentionally overwhelmed, that's taking longer.

    #76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 10:04 PM | Reply

    Whatever.
    Plenty of people cross rivers without dying.
    #75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    This one didn't, her dad got her killed. it wasn't her fault at all.

    It was her dad's illegal border crossing attempt.

    #77 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 10:05 PM | Reply

    "It's not that States fault when a parent violates the law and is caught, detained, and charged with a crime."

    But it would be the states fault if the states enacted a policy in which every parent charged with a crime is sent to camps, and furthermore have their children sent to camps too.

    Trump's zero-tolerance policy manufactured this crisis.

    #78 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Whatever.
    #75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Pretty much sums up your concern for the topic, except to indict Trump,

    instead of the parents putting their sick traumatized children through hell.

    #79 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 10:08 PM | Reply

    Trump lies. Trump rapes. Trump lies about rape. He's a real renaissance man.

    #80 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-08 10:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

    "But for the fact that the system has been intentionally overwhelmed,"

    yes, by the billionaire class, but you're blaming the peasants because you're a ------- idiot.

    #81 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-07-08 10:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    "In any other situation, the child of such a parent would be handed over to child welfare and placed in a foster home, which is the process here."

    Not at all.
    In most situations, parents charged with crimes aren't even sent to detention.
    "In general, statutes explicitly permit fines for misdemeanor offenses and this is often the only penalty imposed for these crimes."
    www.ncsl.org

    "Statutes authorize a range of penalties that can be imposed for misdemeanors. These typically include no penalty, time served, a fine with no incarceration, a sentence to probation, incarceration with no fine or a combination of incarceration and a fine. It is the court's discretion which penalty or combination of penalties to order."

    Trump has removed the court's discretion.

    #82 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "instead of the parents putting their sick traumatized children through hell."

    Apparently you think the appropriate recourse for these children is to have Border Patrol put them through more hell.

    #83 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "Pretty much sums up your concern for the topic, except to indict Trump"

    My concern is for the children fleeing trauma, only to find more trauma at the hands of the United States Border Patrol.

    You sound like the kind of person who might not even believe that intergenerational trauma exists.

    You sound like the kind of person who might not even believe that, generally speaking, taking children from their parents is traumatizing for the children.

    #84 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Why is this idiotic premise that the danger and risk the parents are taking with their children is worse than what they experienced and lived in every day?

    The premise is garbage and can only be accepted if you think the migrants are stupid and beneath the one making the assertion of that idiotic premise.

    #85 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-08 10:18 PM | Reply

    yes, by the billionaire class, but you're blaming the peasants because you're a ------- idiot.

    POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-07-08 10:11 PM | REPLY

    Or a racist bigot

    #86 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-08 10:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    Not at all.
    #82 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    No home, no job, no ID, non-citizen, no way to ensure court appearance. Certainly doesn't fit your links scenario.

    #83 Apparently you think the appropriate recourse for these children is to have Border Patrol put them through more hell.

    Apparently you think it was border patrol that drug them across the border. Responsibility for the kids predicament lies solely with the parent.

    #87 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 10:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "Sessions made it clear 2 years ago that illegal crossers would be prosecuted. That is the deterrence; prosecution.
    These parents are aware of the what they're putting their children through and that didn't stop them."

    In England, they made the penalty for stealing bread death by hanging.
    Quite the deterrent, I'm sure you'll agree.
    People still stole bread.
    And you can't figure out why, but you know it was right to kill them for breaking the law.

    #88 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    "Apparently you think it was border patrol that drug them across the border."

    No, just to the detention center.

    #89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:21 PM | Reply

    "No home, no job, no ID, non-citizen, no way to ensure court appearance. Certainly doesn't fit your links scenario."

    We can provide all of those things for immigrants, and often do.
    And in doing so, it would put an end to this "crisis" of Trump's making.
    But that would be letting the crisis go to waste.

    #90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    but you're blaming the peasants
    #81 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

    They are fully aware that what they're doing is illegal. That why they hide in tractor trailers, run across at night,

    evade detection, and do everything they can not to get caught. They intentionally and knowingly break the law.

    #91 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-08 10:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

    "They intentionally and knowingly break the law."

    Actually, refugees and asylum seekers are also being sent to detention, and having their children taken away.

    #92 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-08 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    The Nazis denied they were keeping the Jews in inhuman conditions too.
    #9 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-07-08 12:51 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

    Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps

    ..Gellately, professor in Holocaust history at Clark University, Massachusetts, offers a mass of detail to support the theme of an earlier work, Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners, which caused an international sensation in 1995. Goldhagen's theme was that "what the Nazis actually did was to unshackle and thereby activate Germans' pre-existing, pent-up anti-semitism".

    Gellately began his inquiry after finding a press report -published as routine - of a woman reported to the Gestapo for "looking Jewish" and allegedly having sex with a neighbour. "For decades my generation had been told that so much of the terror had been carried out in complete secrecy," he writes.

    His media trawl, with a research assistant, found that as early as 1933 local papers reported the killing of 12 prisoners by guards at Dachau, the first to be set up as a "model" concentration camp initially for communists. On May 23 the Dachauer Zeitung said the camp was Germany's most famous place and brought "new hope to the Dachau business world". By 1934 the main and widely read Nazi-owned paper Volkische Beobachter was reporting a widening of policy to other "political criminals" including Jews accused of race defilement. By 1936 communist prisoners were no longer mentioned: in a photo-essay in the SS paper Das Schwarze Korps emphasised the camps as places for "race defilers, rapists, sexual degenerates and habitual criminals".

    This broadening mission, as Gellately calls it, was reflected in Volkische Beobachter photographs of "typical subhumans" including Jews with "deformed headshapes". For the first time their detention was said to be permanent. In January, 1937 Berliner Borsen Zeitung reported the SS chief Heinrich Himmler as announcing the need for "still more camps" for "those with hydrocephalus, cross-eyed, deformed half-Jews and a whole series of racially inferior types".

    In November, 1938 the anti-Jewish pogrom on and after "the night of broken glass" was reported countrywide in papers as heroic. The propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, announced that the "final answer" to the Jewish problem would be by way of government de cree, according to Volkische Beobachter

    In late 1939, the year war started, newspapers acting on government orders announced a post-8pm curfew on all Jews in case they "molest Aryan women". That November the first summary executions of "anti-socials" by police without trial were reported. Papers were told to report these clearly and forcefully. In March, 1941 the Hamburger Fremdenblatt reported the first mass auctions of posses sions of detained or killed Jews. Hamburg became the wartime clearing house and Gellately says at least 100,000 citizens bought at the auctions...

    Those Smithsonian images the children drew are heartbreaking.

    Trump is a piece of garbage. His followers are too. JeffJ - disappointing, dude.

    #93 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-07-08 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    "Sessions made it clear 2 years ago that illegal crossers would be prosecuted. That is the deterrence; prosecution.

    #67 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-07-08 09:50 PM | REPLY |

    Until they get their hearing illegal is just an assumption on you part.

    #94 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-08 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    If it weren't for his strawmen, Sherp wouldn't have any friends at all.

    😢

    #95 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

    - Until they get their hearing illegal is just an assumption on you part.

    There are only two ways for a foreign national to enter our country; legally or illegally.

    The onus is on the foreign national to produce the appropriate documentation. - help.cbp.gov

    #96 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 12:05 AM | Reply

    - If it weren't for his strawmen

    Whereas Clownshack just starts shouting "racist and xenophobe".

    It's really the only argument you bring.

    #97 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 12:07 AM | Reply

    - Until they get their hearing illegal is just an assumption on you part.

    There are only two ways for a foreign national to enter our country; legally or illegally.

    The onus is on the foreign national to produce the appropriate documentation. - help.cbp.gov

    #96 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

    Yep. Absolutely this. Anybody who gains entry without a VISA and enters anywhere other than a port of entry has gained entry illegally. This is completely unambiguous.

    #98 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 12:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    Those Smithsonian images the children drew are heartbreaking.
    Trump is a piece of garbage. His followers are too. JeffJ - disappointing, dude.

    #93 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

    Which is why, when the media reported on this to a point where it could no longer be ignored that congress passed a simple funding bill that will ameliorate this catastrophe at least in the short-term. The process is often too slow, but it does work.

    #99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 12:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    NOBODY CARES! They're foreigners falsely claiming asylum. ---- them. GO HOME. This country has real problem, no need to worry about a bunch of passive invaders whining their way into the country.

    #100 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:14 AM | Reply

    Whereas Clownshack just starts shouting "racist at the racists and xenophobe at the xenophobic".

    What I find most amusing is you can't deny you're a xenophobe.

    You've got too many months freaking out about brown people coming to America, and defending Trump's Naziesque behavior, to be able to distance yourself from your own words.

    Best course of action is for you to change your username, again.

    May I suggest ----------------?

    😢

    #101 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:15 AM | Reply

    Anybody who gains entry without a VISA and enters anywhere other than a port of entry has gained entry illegally. This is completely unambiguous.
    #98 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    Wow. You're smart!

    What about people entering at ports of entry seeking asylum, but being thrown into concentration camps regardless?

    You know, what Trump is doing.

    #102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:20 AM | Reply

    "a simple funding bill that will ameliorate this catastrophe at least in the short-term."

    --------.

    The catastrophe is the policy.

    Not the lack of funds needed to detain even more children.

    #103 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #102 - WW2 ended a LOT of years ago. There's no such thing as asylum from the street gangs of your ------ country. Stand and fight to improve the land in which you were born, or ---- the ---- off.

    #104 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    Again, one of those "who you gonna believe me or your lying eyes" moments.

    #105 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-07-09 12:26 AM | Reply

    "WW2 ended a LOT of years ago. There's no such thing as asylum from the street gangs of your ------ country. Stand and fight to improve the land in which you were born, or ---- the ---- off."
    #104 | POSTED BY DEFINITELY_NOT_A_XENOPHOBE

    Looks like another of Sherp's family started posting on the DR.

    #106 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "There's no such thing as asylum from the street gangs of your ------ country"

    Incorrect.

    #107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:32 AM | Reply

    K - Just understand that's the belief I, and many Americans, operate from. You don't get to say "Hey, my country's bad so let me into yours!" That's not how life works.

    So ---- you.
    ---- your asylum status.
    Be grateful we give you what little we do.
    And if you don't like it, go the ---- back where you came from.

    #108 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    The catastrophe is the policy.
    #103 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    ...Of democrats and activists to create a scene they can wail about. - www.apnews.com

    #109 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 12:36 AM | Reply

    www.rescue.org
    "Asylee" is the term used in the U.S. for people who have been granted asylum. Last year, 35,502 individuals were granted asylum. According to U.S. immigration law, a person granted asylum is legally allowed to remain in the U.S. without fear of deportation. They qualify to work, travel abroad, and apply for their spouse or children under the age of 21 to join them.

    See, THIS is the problem. This gives them hope. This is what we need to STOP doing. This number should be zero. Zero people should be given "asylum" in a time where there isn't even a world war going on. Just completely mis-managed foreign governments. Not. Our. Problem.

    #110 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    The scenes germane to this thread are Trump's creation.

    #111 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:38 AM | Reply

    US citizen, activist with migrant caravans, arrested in Mexico - news.azpm.org

    #112 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 12:40 AM | Reply

    "See, THIS is the problem. This gives them hope. This is what we need to STOP doing."

    So until the law changes, you think we should just ignore the law?

    Let me guess, you consider yourself a "law and order" type of person.

    #113 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:40 AM | Reply

    We should change the law. But this isn't about law it's about sympathy and emotions. It's about "Oh these poor poor people, we should be nicer to them and give them better conditions." Again - These are people supposedly fleeing imminent murder. These are people seeking asylum. Unless and until the US government starts literally killing them, they're doing them a favor by ensuring no one else does. ANYTHING else is cake they should be grateful to both have, and eat.

    #114 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:43 AM | Reply

    that's the belief I, and many Americans, operate from. You don't get to say "Hey, my country's bad so let me into yours!" That's not how life works.

    Were the native Americans aware of this?

    #115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:44 AM | Reply

    "You don't get to say "Hey, my country's bad so let me into yours!" That's not how life works."

    So, someone tries to get in, we take their kids?

    This is literally letting them into the country.

    Some will inevitably be granted permanent resident status, as we lose track of their parents.

    #116 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:46 AM | Reply

    #115 - Nah, we just killed them and took their stuff. That's not the way these foreigners are playing it. I'd respect them more if they tried but, then again, they'd be morons to try that.

    #117 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:46 AM | Reply

    The scenes germane to this thread are Trump's creation.
    #111 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Nope. They're organized

    How a Central American Immigrant Caravan Forms - www.courthousenews.com

    "The roots of the immigrant caravan phenomenon began years ago when activists organized processions -- often with a religious theme -- during Holy Week to dramatize the hardships and needs of immigrants. A minority of those involved wound up traveling all the way to the U.S. border."

    "And increasingly they're organized over Facebook and WhatsApp as they try to join together in large groups they hope will make the trip safer, and without having to hide from authorities.

    The most recent caravan left the bus station in San Pedro Sula in northern Honduras on April 10, and journalists from The Associated Press have been following various online migrant chats since late March.

    "Anyone know anything about the caravan leaving on the 10th? They say the mother of all caravans is going," one message said.

    Élmer Alberto Cardona, a 27-year-old shopkeeper from Honduras, saw an announcement on Facebook just days after being deported from the United States to San Pedro Sula and said he didn't think twice: He collected his three children, ages 3, 6 and 9, and headed north again on April 10."

    #118 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 12:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    "April 10"

    It's July 8.
    Find some up to date material.

    #119 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:48 AM | Reply

    "The scenes germane to this thread are Trump's creation.
    #111 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Nope. They're organized"

    Apparently more organized than Border Patrol...

    The scenes germane to this thread are immigrants in American border camps.

    Not scenes of immigrant caravans in Honduras from three months ago.

    #120 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:50 AM | Reply

    #116 - There's no right answer here - if we let the kids and parents in, we're basically breaking the law and allowing everyone in regardless of whether they have a valid aslyum claim or not. We'd immediately switch from granting asylum to an open border. What do you do when an asylum seeker, who has literally no right to asylum shows up with the kids? Put the kids in the holding tank while things get sorted? Or put the kid with an American social worker?

    I'd actually say holding tank, myself - otherwise there's too much risk the kid gets to stay and the parent turns into a "sneaking in" type of invader, because his kid's here and parents tend to do whatever they can to be around their kids.

    THIS is why we need an absolute law. The answer is no, no, and ---- you no. THIS will stop the problem. For so long as we are, in any way, lenient, the poor masses at our edges will throw their children at us and feed on our compassion.

    #121 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:51 AM | Reply

    "#116 - There's no right answer here - if we let the kids and parents in"

    Nice making excuses.
    Trump's answer is about as wrong as an answer can be.
    Particularly taking children from their parents.

    #122 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:53 AM | Reply

    "THIS is why we need an absolute law."

    You're a simpleton then.

    #123 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    POSTED BY MEROVIGAN

    I thank you for posting.

    It's refreshing reading someone be openly xenophobic and hateful. Unlike Nulli, Sherp, Andre, and the rest who are clearly xenophobic but pretend they aren't.

    You're literally the portion of society Trump has given a voice to. The bigoted, intolerant, hateful, ignorant portion of society Americans fought against for the majority of the 20th century.

    #124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    #122 - I sincerely don't give a ---- what happens to Not Americans. And if we can skirt follow the law (have to grant asylum sometimes) while making that as PAINFUL for these people as possible so that they're less likely to seek asylum ("I tried to seek asylum, but they took little Jose from me!") then good. Whatever we can do to dis-incentivize this behavior, short of murder or any other actual crime, is a moral good.

    Stay. Where. You. Are.

    Fix. Your. Country.

    Stop. Invading. Mine.

    #125 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    "#122 - I sincerely don't give a ---- what happens to Not Americans."

    Well, in that case you don't really give a ---- what happens to Americans either.

    #126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:58 AM | Reply

    #124 - No worries. For the record, I'm black too so please don't blame this on middle-aged white men. Your kind likes to do that and it pisses me off every time. This isn't a race thing, it's a nationalist thing.

    #127 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    #126 - We'll be fine. We're Americans; we're feisty, and we survive.

    #128 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 12:59 AM | Reply

    "while making that as PAINFUL for these people as possible so that they're less likely to seek asylum ("I tried to seek asylum, but they took little Jose from me!") then good"

    So what happens to little Jose?

    And when he flies a plane into Liberty Tower, will you think it was an unprovoked attack, or will you remember taking his parents away?

    #129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:00 AM | Reply

    "THIS is why we need an absolute law. The answer is no, no, and ---- you no. THIS will stop the problem."

    Of one person. That's the symptom, not the cause.

    The root problem is industries willing to hire illegals, and the local Chambers of Commerce who tell law enforcement to look the other way. Cure that problem, and the main reason for the migration ends.

    #130 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-09 01:02 AM | Reply

    #129 - He's adopted or deported. And if you'll recall the people flying into buildings weren't Hispanic. Or motivated by our immigration laws. But, and I'm fuzzy on this but correct so correct me if I'm wrong - the day after that attack was a Tuesday, and life ----------- on. It was a tragic day, but America is still here so ... yeah ... we'll be fine. I'm not going to be held hostage by the fear of what people will do to me if I stand firm in my beliefs.

    Are you?

    #131 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:03 AM | Reply

    #130 - Agreed. That needs to be a part of this too. WAY too many republican-leaning farmers have their little mexi pole farms and wink wink about hiring them because "We just can't find local white people to do this work!" Well then I guess bessie isn't getting milked, -------.

    #132 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:04 AM | Reply

    "I'm not going to be held hostage by the fear of what people will do to me if I stand firm in my beliefs."

    And what belief of yours is in play, when little Jose gets kidnapped by the United States government?

    #133 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:06 AM | Reply

    "And if you'll recall the people flying into buildings weren't Hispanic."

    But they were here illegally, unless it's somehow legal to come to the United States for purposes of attacking the Untied States, which it isn't.

    Seriously, Hispanic? Weird flex given the topic.

    #134 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:08 AM | Reply

    #133 Preeeety sure that bringing a child to the border and having the US government intervene while your asylum case is considered doesn't count as kidnapping. Here's the link to that part of federal jurisdiction. You called me on being law-and-order and I am. Which part of this would I consider "Kidnapping"
    www.justice.gov

    #135 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:10 AM | Reply

    "#133 Preeeety sure that bringing a child to the border and having the US government intervene while your asylum case is considered doesn't count as kidnapping"

    Hiding behind legal nuance is a cowardly position.

    #136 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:10 AM | Reply

    "In criminal law, kidnapping is the unlawful carrying away (asportation) and confinement of a person against their will." Which is exactly what is happening at the border, save the word "unlawful."

    You'd rat out Anne Frank.

    #137 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #134 - If your argument is we should allow for fewer student, business, or travel visas I'm all for it. But I don't think that's your argument. I think you're trying to back into a nonsense argument that implies that the fact that these attackers could have been identified as illegal, based on the fact that there was evil in their heart that didn't jibe with their visa status. Which is just a dumb argument. They were here on valid visas, which just goes to show how we shouldn't be giving those out like candy either.

    #138 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:13 AM | Reply

    For the record, I'm black too
    #127 | POSTED BY MEROVIGAN

    Of course you are.

    That's why you wrote:

    "we just killed them and took their stuff."
    #117 | POSTED BY MEROVIGAN

    Because by "we" you were talking about the black pilgrims who left Europe, came to America, killed the Native Americans and took their stuff.

    You're a bad liar.

    #139 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #136 - You started there with the "law and order" comment above. I'm just sinking to meet you at your level. I can do this from any ground you want it from.

    #140 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:14 AM | Reply

    #139 - Nah, I just identify as American. Those were my people. We did that. I get it though - you think along racial lines not national ones. It's fine, believe what you want. I get it - you hate middle-aged white men THAT much.

    #141 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:16 AM | Reply

    I'm happy with your current form, which is a man who would turn in Anne Frank.

    #142 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #137 is that state law? federal law? Link, please.

    #143 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:16 AM | Reply

    "THIS is why we need an absolute law. The answer is no, no, and ---- you no. THIS will stop the problem."
    ---
    Of one person. That's the symptom, not the cause.

    The root problem is industries willing to hire illegals, and the local Chambers of Commerce who tell law enforcement to look the other way. Cure that problem, and the main reason for the migration ends.

    #130 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

    IMO it's actually a multi-root problem. You are absolutely correct about the industries that actively seek to hire illegals under the table. But that is only part of the story. We also have access to our generous public services and welfare state. Throw in the 'cottage industry' of providing false ID to new entrants, the little talked about human trafficking of children (how many of their so-called "guardians" actually have any familial ties?) and sex slaves of women, MS13 and let us not forget that word got out regarding how to exploit our asylum system in order to illegally enter for economic reasons....

    Short-term I like the spending bill that passed. Mid-to-long term congress has a LOT of work to do...

    #144 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 01:17 AM | Reply

    "is that state law? federal law?"

    It's the English language. Sorry for not including this: en.wikipedia.org

    #145 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:17 AM | Reply

    #142 - Did she show up at the border with her kids because she heard America was giving out free ----, too?

    #146 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:18 AM | Reply

    "the little talked about human trafficking of children (how many of their so-called "guardians" actually have any familial ties?"

    You mean we don't know?
    You mean we can't find out?
    You mean we must therefore separate them all?

    #147 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:19 AM | Reply

    #145 - Yeah, "Law and order" type, as said above bruh. You're going to need to have a law or else relent the point that this isn't kidnapping. Rather, it's "whatever I want it to be based on my emotions" or "letter of the law" depending upon which side has more credence at the moment.

    #148 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:20 AM | Reply

    "Did she show up at the border with her kids because she heard America was giving out free ----, too?"

    She would have if she could have.
    And you would have turned her away.

    #149 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Those were my people. We did that.

    Nope. You're a liar. How sad you have to create a false persona in an attempt to justify your nonsense.

    #150 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "You're going to need to have a law or else relent the point that this isn't kidnapping. "

    It's state-sanctioned kidnapping.
    The only reason it isn't kidnapping is that law enforcement are the ones doing the kidnapping.
    Again, you're hiding behind words.
    You should stop.

    #151 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #149 - You remember when I repeatedly mentioned a world war? If not, I'll wait while you scroll up. Ann Frank was in a world war. THAT is asylum. "MS13 is mean to me!" is not a world war.

    #152 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:22 AM | Reply

    I wonder what Merovigan thinks of his beta ---- ancestors who came here in chains.
    Maybe he thinks the white man uplifted them from savagery.

    #153 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:22 AM | Reply

    #150 - I love it when white people deny my racial heritage. It just SMACKS of the liberal hypocrisy. "All black people think the same, and no, I'm not racist at all!!!" Goes the mantra.

    Keep re-affirming my beliefs, please.

    #154 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:23 AM | Reply

    "You remember when I repeatedly mentioned a world war?"

    I also remember you repeatedly mentioned the need for a single policy.

    World war is again hiding behind some legal definition of what a "world war" entails, which is how you play the "whatever I want it to be based on my emotions" game.

    #155 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:24 AM | Reply

    #150 - I love it when white people deny my racial heritage. It just SMACKS of the liberal hypocrisy. "All black people think the same, and no, I'm not racist at all!!!" Goes the mantra.

    Keep re-affirming my beliefs, please.

    #156 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:25 AM | Reply

    #155 - I'd be fine with a carve-out for a world war in said policy. I get it - people need to flee actual war zones. Not sure why we should be their first stop, but, again, I'm fine if Ann wants to bring her ass here and go through the process.

    #157 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:27 AM | Reply

    #153 - I think they were a part of our history, and had an important part of it. They are part of our story. They are my ancestors, my people, not because they are black but because they are American.

    #158 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:28 AM | Reply

    I really hit a nerve with our latest troll.

    All I had to do was point out where he slipped up on his lie and he had a mental breakdown.

    That was so easy I'm bored now.

    #159 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:28 AM | Reply

    "#155 - I'd be fine with a carve-out for a world war in said policy"

    But not if Mexico Honduras and Guatemala were at war.
    I don't think you even realize you're playing the "whatever I want it to be based on my emotions" game.

    #160 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:28 AM | Reply

    #159 - NO staying power. Weak. Later on!

    #161 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:30 AM | Reply

    They weren't Americans, according to Americans at the time, or the concept of slavery as chattel property.

    Just like you don't consider the things you own to be American people.

    You're doing a great job mincing your words though. It comes natural to you.

    #162 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:30 AM | Reply

    #160 - Are they? Wasn't that in like the 60's?

    #163 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:31 AM | Reply

    They are my ancestors, my people, not because they are black but because they are American.

    Definitely not because they're black. Because clearly you're not black.

    #164 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #162 - Luckily I don't think in terms of 400 year old chattel slavers.

    #165 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:32 AM | Reply

    NO staying power. Weak. Later on!

    No able to English. Only spit hate and lies.

    Good talk.

    #166 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:33 AM | Reply

    #164 - mmmmm, got you back huh? Thought you were bored! One of us is easy, and it ain't me.

    #167 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:33 AM | Reply

    One of us is easy, and it ain't me.

    Not last I heard.

    #168 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:35 AM | Reply

    #166 I've been at this since ~1990 so lemme show you how it's done - when you say you're done, you have to actually BE done. You can't play the "I'm above this person and over them" and then come back. It just shows you up and proves how under your skin the person is.

    For example - I'm going to bed now and will never check this thread again. I've said my peace on it, and now I'm done to leave you to deal with the fact that there exist people who aren't like you, who don't think like you, and yet are just as valid and important as you are.

    See ya next thread!

    #169 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-09 01:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    Never Again Action, led by U.S. Jewish activists, is taking up the battle against detention centers on behalf of undocumented immigrants -- and is not afraid to invoke the Holocaust for its cause.
    www.haaretz.com

    #170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:39 AM | Reply

    WTF is wrong with you people?

    I am 100% on board with full transparency and reporting and agitating against any problems with the conditions of these detention centers. But why the Nazi equivalence? The differences so vastly outweigh the similarities.,.are you truly that ignorant of what the Holocaust was or are you so partisan that you are gleeful to co-opt that imagery and apply it to a circumstance that is not even remotely applicable?

    #171 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 01:47 AM | Reply

    I've been at this since ~1990

    At what? How old are you?

    so lemme show you how it's done -

    Please do.

    when you say you're done, you have to actually BE done.

    I called you out on your lie. You've been throwing a temper tantrum ever since.

    You can't play the "I'm above this person and over them" and then come back.

    Is that how you see me? As being above you? That I'm better than you? Do you feel hurt? Interesting. Says a lot about you. Thanks for sharing.

    It just shows you up and proves how under your skin the person is.

    I was bored. This was fun. I appreciate you.

    See ya next thread!
    #169 | POSTED BY MEROVIGAN

    I look forward seeing you again.

    #172 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:50 AM | Reply

    are you truly that ignorant of what the Holocaust was

    I didn't write that article, Jeff.

    I posted it. Verbatim.

    Seems you're a bit triggered.

    #173 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 01:51 AM | Reply

    are you truly that ignorant of what the Holocaust was
    -----
    I didn't write that article, Jeff.

    I posted it. Verbatim.

    Seems you're a bit triggered.

    #173 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    Okay. Then please articulate the extent to which you agree with the Holocaust comparison...

    #174 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 02:17 AM | Reply

    MEROVIGAN And sheep from their post here are one sick puppy's and certainly are not Christians.

    #175 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-09 02:41 AM | Reply

    Because by "we" you were talking about the black pilgrims who left Europe, came to America, killed the Native Americans and took their stuff.

    You're a bad liar.

    #139 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    Looks like Boazo has a twin brother, or sprouted another personality.
    If it's the latter, comrade Sheeple is gonna be beyond PO'ed, as that's his patented "go to move".

    #176 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-09 02:50 AM | Reply

    #175 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

    What exactly is sick about supporting legal immigration and migrant rights?

    #177 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 04:36 AM | Reply

    But why the Nazi equivalence?
    #171 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    Because they can't defend their position beyond accusing others of being racist xenophobes,

    They can't even explain why they support open borders other than it's the opposite of Trump.

    #178 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 04:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

    I get you sheep you think those who are against Nazis, antifa are evil on the other hand you think taking away brown peoples kids and locking parents and kids in a concentration camp is great.

    You know as I do that the concentration camps we lock people up in are filthily overcrowded and the people suffering from sickness, but you're OK with this, you think taking kids away from there parents is ok, you support all of this.

    yes you and those hold these views are sick and certainly do not hold any Christian values

    #179 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-09 04:56 AM | Reply

    Concentration camps aren't the same as the Nazi death camps. The analogy of what's going on at the border to concentration camps is more accurate than not. The dehumanization, both of the victims and the guards is what is concerning. Attrocities start at the small level. No showers. The smell. Then those captives are even less human to the guards. The guards lose their humanity when dealing with them. It goes on.

    This needs to end now. This policy of creating a living hell, blatantly violating the law (Flores decision, to create a deterrent is beyond wretched and are a stain like the internment camps of WWII were (and still are).

    #180 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-09 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Because they can't defend their position beyond accusing others of being racist xenophobes,

    They can't even explain why they support open borders other than it's the opposite of Trump.

    #178 | Posted by SheepleSchism

    Or maybe you're a lying POS and they don't support open borders?

    Also, you're no better considering you can't defend a position, you just lie lie lie.

    #181 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-09 09:14 AM | Reply

    Or maybe you're a lying POS and they don't support open borders?

    #181 | POSTED BY JPW

    Can't block them from coming in.

    Can't turn them away.

    When they enter illegally, can't detain them.

    When they don't show up for their court case, can't deport them.

    Sanctuary cities that go out of their way to NOT work with ICE.

    EVERY single presidential candidate in the second debate raised their hands when asked if their healthcare plans included coverage for illegal aliens.

    Every. Single. One.

    Yet, in spite of taking all of these positions, progressives and some Democrats get pissed when they get labeled as being for open borders.

    #182 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 09:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

    Obama DHS Secretary: 2020 Democrats Are Pushing 'Unworkable' ‘Open Borders' Plans

    The lying DR leftists can deny they favor de facto, or even de jure open borders until they are blue in the face, but it's becoming laughable, especially after the last debate.

    #PartyOfOpenBorders

    #183 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 09:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

    Abolish ICE, you forgot that one.

    #184 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-09 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    "On Tuesday, Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) said he would "virtually eliminate immigration detention" by executive order. During last week's debate, presidential candidate Julián Castro proposed decriminalizing illegal border crossings -- a position other Democrats in the race rapidly adopted."

    #185 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 09:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

    My bad, Sitz.

    #186 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 09:47 AM | Reply

    Julián Castro proposed decriminalizing illegal border crossings -- a position other Democrats in the race rapidly adopted."

    #185 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

    Dang!

    That's another one I failed to mention.

    #187 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 09:48 AM | Reply

    ""That is tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders," said Jeh Johnson, who ran the Department of Homeland Security during President Barack Obama's second term. "That is unworkable, unwise and does not have the support of a majority of American people or the Congress, and if we had such a policy, instead of 100,000 apprehensions a month, it will be multiples of that."

    Multiples of that. Many multiples. If a Democrat wins in 2020, there will an invasion beginning the day after the election by millions hoping to get in and get eligible for amnesty before the new President is sworn in.

    #188 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 09:56 AM | Reply

    -Yet, in spite of taking all of these positions, progressives and some Democrats get pissed when they get labeled as being for open borders.

    It's the ugliness of primaries....it forces candidates to take absurd positions they know eventually will go nowhere.

    All to look attractive for the extreme base of their party.

    It just makes me wonder how ------- dumb one has to be to not understand that being one of the extreme members of your party is just a way to be lied to.

    It's the same on the right...the extreme base of of the GOP and their issues.....guns, god, gays...

    #189 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-09 10:13 AM | Reply

    It just passed a bipartisan $4.5 billion spending appropriation to put resources in place to improve the situation. Our resources are being overwhelmed.
    #13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-08 01:18 PM

    ...says the party that has given...what now? 20 billion or so in the past 16 months? to bribe farmers not to be angry about losing their income due to Trumptariffs?

    #190 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-07-09 10:19 AM | Reply

    #189 | POSTED BY EBERLY

    Yes. I don't for a second believe that any of these candidates would actually govern as extreme as their rhetoric is on this issue. I get that. However, Nulli is right. Given the extreme positions these candidates are taking, should they win election we will see a surge in illegal crossings given what is being said.

    #191 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 10:21 AM | Reply

    Multiples of that. Many multiples. If a Democrat wins in 2020, there will an invasion beginning the day after the election by millions hoping to get in and get eligible for amnesty before the new President is sworn in.

    #188 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

    Except back in Reality Land what actually happened was when Trump (GOP) was elected the border "crisis" began anew as everyone ran for the Border.

    Trump and the GOP have created this current humanitarian crisis. And they continue to exacerbate it for political purposes.

    Trump does not care if he ever gets a "wall".

    As long as he can stick it to the Dems.

    Then...Winning!

    #192 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-09 10:25 AM | Reply

    --would actually govern as extreme as their rhetoric is on this issue.

    I wouldn't bet on that. The Left will hold the democrat president's feet to the fire. They have already forced a lurch to the Left in rhetoric. They will expect their agenda to be implemented.

    #193 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 10:35 AM | Reply

    Except back in Reality Land what actually happened was when Trump (GOP) was elected the border "crisis" began anew as everyone ran for the Border.

    Record numbers of families are arriving at the border as word has been getting out about families get in free.

    Biden went down to CentralAmerica to say they would be turned away.
    www.latimes.com

    The numbers have been rising since DACA, and Hillary's Honduras meddling.

    Trump does not care if he ever gets a "wall".

    I agree with this ... he knows many people want some form of border security, he uses it.

    As long as he can stick it to the Dems.

    They deserve it for the crimes in policy they have foisted on the American people since before the civil war.

    #194 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 10:36 AM | Reply

    Except back in Reality Land what actually happened was when Trump (GOP) was elected the border "crisis" began anew as everyone ran for the Border.

    Record numbers of families are arriving at the border as word has been getting out about families get in free.

    Biden went down to CentralAmerica to say they would be turned away.
    www.latimes.com

    The numbers have been rising since DACA, and Hillary's Honduras meddling.

    Trump does not care if he ever gets a "wall".

    I agree with this ... he knows many people want some form of border security, he uses it.

    As long as he can stick it to the Dems.

    They deserve it for the crimes in policy they have foisted on the American people since before the civil war.

    #195 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 10:36 AM | Reply

    --as word has been getting out about families get in free.

    It's not the 50s anymore. Even the most isolated 3rd world peasant knows what Democrats are promising and the loopholes they can exploit.

    #196 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 10:41 AM | Reply

    They deserve it for the crimes in policy they have foisted on the American people since before the civil war.

    #195 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 10:36

    Sounds like a case for Reparations.

    #197 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 10:44 AM | Reply

    The Camps are snake pits and as usual you've got two kinds of people. Those who favor torture and those who don't.

    And, as usual, those who favor torture favor it a lot.

    But they're not Nazis.

    #198 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 10:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Remember when the alt-right (R)tards here and elsewhere were worried about the original "Jade Helm". How Obama was going to throw their kind's asses in detention centers that were abandoned Wal-Marts?????

    Now that we have Jade Helm 2.0, and little brown kids are being locked up in cages under the same scenario and worse, they are cool with it because it's their Orange Fuhrer doing it.

    #199 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-07-09 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    How Obama was going to throw their kind's asses in detention centers that were abandoned Wal-Marts?????

    His administration actually built the cages Trump uses today.

    We complained about it then, and you didn't care....

    #199 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

    We aren't cool with it, we have offered solution after solution. Democrats shut down the government to make this situation a reality.

    All Democrats can muster is sending more money so the kids can have toothpaste.

    Spare me your sentimental BS ...

    This is your doing, yours and Zed's OWN IT.

    #200 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 11:02 AM | Reply

    Sounds like a case for Reparations.
    #197 | POSTED BY ZED

    Yeah when are the Democrats going to pay.

    #201 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 11:03 AM | Reply

    This is your doing, yours and Zed's OWN IT.

    #200 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-

    This is funny. You're the one who supports it and the man who does it.

    Maybe you do have a conscience. That would explain the funniness.

    Hope it hurts you real bad.

    #202 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 11:11 AM | Reply

    Yeah when are the Democrats going to pay.

    #201 | Posted by AndreaMackris

    Reparations?

    After these prisoners are released and the harm is estimated.

    Oh, I'm sorry. You're hoping to be paid for the sins of OTHERS. Not pay for your sins.

    Nazis.

    #203 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 11:14 AM | Reply

    His administration actually built the cages Trump uses today.

    "Obama did it too", absurd deflection is the best you can muster.

    We complained about it then, and you didn't care....

    I don't remember you complaining about it then. Any proof of your assertion?

    You clearly don't care now. (About the people being locked up.)

    We aren't cool with it,

    Have you read any of your posts? You're clearly 100% cool with it. Besides, it's Obama's fault.

    we have offered solution after solution.

    A wall is not a solution. Blocking people attempting to gain asylum isn't a solution. Locking people up in concentration camps, isn't a solution.

    You got nothing but lies.

    Democrats shut down the government to make this situation a reality.

    Trump created this situation after he rejected $25 billion the Republican Party offered him.

    He decided his manufactured crisis was better at keeping the support of xenophobes, like you, than accepting the money and starting his wall.

    All Democrats can muster is sending more money so the kids can have toothpaste.

    Republicans didn't even want to provide toothpaste. You Nazis can't wait to start building the ovens.

    Spare me your sentimental BS ...

    You're the Queen of BS. You revel in your BS. You roll around in it and flaunt it.

    This is your doing,

    Obama?

    OWN IT.
    #200 | POSTED BY A MATTRESS

    I prefer owning you.

    You xenophobic Mattress.

    #204 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    Democrats shut down the government to make this situation a reality.

    #200 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 11:02 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

    You can't make this stuff up. I mean, obviously you do make this stuff up.

    St. Donald? You really do believe that crap, don't you?

    #205 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

    Then please articulate the extent to which you agree with the Holocaust comparison...
    #174 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    Did you read the article I posted? The people comparing our border to the holocaust, are the "Never Again" Jewish community in America.

    They're comprised of Jews who lost family members during WW2 and others who share their concerns for preventing another holocaust.

    They're the ones comparing the atrocities at our border to the holocaust.

    Perhaps you should find a mirror and ask yourself why you disagree with them. Perhaps they have a better perspective than you do.

    Also. Yav does an excellent job of addressing the point in #180.

    #206 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Democrats shut down the government to make this situation a reality.

    Is A Piss Mattress referring to Trump's shutdown, and blaming the democrats?

    Just more lies from the piss Mattress.

    And it wonders why we constantly mock it for being such a stupid liar.

    #207 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 11:26 AM | Reply

    #182 | Posted by JeffJ
    #184 | Posted by sitzkrieg
    #185 | Posted by nullifidian

    Yeah yeah yeah, other than all of that, when have they ever supported OpenBorders?

    #NotForClosedBorders!

    #208 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 11:34 AM | Reply

    Is A Piss Mattress referring to Trump's shutdown, and blaming the democrats?

    Explain why it was shut down. Go ahead ...

    #209 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-09 11:35 AM | Reply

    #206 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    It's an absurd and historically illiterate comparison.

    There is no equivalence between the two. None.

    #210 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 11:38 AM | Reply

    Explain why it was shut down. Go ahead ...

    #209 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019

    Why waste the time on it? We lived through it. I think we know what happened. It wasn't a long time ago. No need to deal with one of you True Believers on the topic. You'll simply double down on blaming us for your own bad behavior.

    #211 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 11:39 AM | Reply

    --Why waste the time on it?

    That's what I say. No point in documenting any argument with links. You fanatics won't read them or you'll slaughter the source or both.

    #212 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 11:45 AM | Reply

    For Democrats, if you aren't providing a mansion for every person they have a bleeding heart for, then the conditions are poor. Now, if it's a human they don't care for because they disagree with them, you can put them in tiny cages and throw away the key and they are ok with it.

    #213 | Posted by humtake at 2019-07-09 12:06 PM | Reply

    Explain why it was shut down. Go ahead ...
    #209 | POSTED BY A PISS MATTRESS

    You really are this stupid.

    Weeks after rejecting the Republican proposed funding for Trumps magic wall, Trump met with Pelosi and Schumer. After not getting them to promise his wall project a sum considerably less than what the Republicans offered him, he declared he has shutting down the government.

    Trump says he's ‘proud' to shut down government during fight with Pelosi and Schumer
    www.politico.com

    Trump vows to shut down government in heated public row with Democrats
    amp.theguardian.com

    ‘I am proud to shut down the government', Trump tells Schumer – video
    www.theguardian.com

    "I am proud to shut down the government for border security," says Trump.
    newrepublic.com

    Trump just owned the looming government shutdown
    www.latimes.com

    But, the links aside, because, obviously you're not interested in them, what they say, reality...

    This is why you're mocked, why your posts are worthless. Why Zed couldn't careless about you or Dulli or Sherp. You're all liars. You're all trolls. You're all a waste of time.

    #214 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    It's an absurd and historically illiterate comparison.
    There is no equivalence between the two. None.
    #210 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    So, no introspection on your part? Just flat out rejection.

    I mean. Why read the article? Why analyze your worldview?

    Besides. You're comfy in your wife's basement up in Michigan.

    Who cares about thousands of children and adults, being kept in concentration camps?

    Clearly not you.

    #215 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:11 PM | Reply

    --You're all liars. You're all trolls. You're all a waste of time.

    So you admit you spend all day wasting your time.

    #216 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 12:13 PM | Reply

    Life is a Black Mirror episode where the descendants of the Holocaust survivors scream that history is repeating itself before their eyes and the descendants of the perpetrators keep saying "stop minimizing the Holocaust and being antisemitic."
    - @JewishWorker

    #217 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-07-09 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

    So you admit you spend all day wasting your time.
    #216 | POSTED BY TROLLIFIDIAN

    No point in documenting any argument with links. You fanatics won't read them or you'll slaughter the source or both.
    #212 | POSTED BY TROLLIFIDIAN

    When one trolling tactic fails, move on to the next one.

    #218 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    #217 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

    Newsworthy.

    I'd give it more if I could.

    You're going to make Jeff cry.

    #219 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 12:19 PM | Reply

    "--You're all liars. You're all trolls. You're all a waste of time.
    So you admit you spend all day wasting your time.
    #216 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN"

    It's never a waste of time to correct disinformation.
    Especially considering the number of vulnerable readers at a place like this.

    Put the shoe on the other foot: The reason you post so much disinformation is to try to influence those very same vulnerable readers.

    This is a battle of morals, between a moral stance that says taking children from their parents and putting kids in cages protects America, and a moral stance that says taking children from their parents and putting kids in cages is an atrocity.

    It's very sad how it splits nearly perfectly down party lines.

    #220 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

    So you admit you spend all day wasting your time.

    #216 | Posted by nullifidian

    Just a few minutes, really.

    But that is time none of us will ever get back, so there's that.

    #221 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 12:31 PM | Reply

    If you historical illiterates can't tell the obvious chasm of differences between the 2 sets of camps I'm not going to even bother. This whole thing is utterly retarded.

    #222 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

    If you historical illiterates can't tell the obvious similarities between the 2 sets of camps, you're okay with sending people to camps.

    #223 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    They tried the trial balloon of sending them to sanctuary cities. The sanctuary cities got pissed. Not sure why, these are where immigrants settle anyways.

    #224 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-09 01:18 PM | Reply

    If you historical illiterates can't tell the obvious chasm of differences between the 2 sets of camps I'm not going to even bother. This whole thing is utterly retarded.
    #222 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    I really enjoy reading Jeff call holocaust survivors, and descendants of holocaust survivors, historically illiterate and retarded.

    #225 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

    If you historical illiterates can't tell the obvious chasm of differences between the 2 sets of camps I'm not going to even bother. This whole thing is utterly retarded.

    "Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
    - John Stuart Mill

    #226 | Posted by YAV at 2019-07-09 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

    #225 Holocaust survivors and descendants of holocaust survivors also blasted AOC for her attempt to equate the 2 sets of camps. Are they right too?

    #227 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 02:15 PM | Reply

    #227

    Provide a link.

    I'll read it and let you know.

    Have you actually taken five minutes to read the article I posted?

    I doubt you have.

    #228 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 02:36 PM | Reply

    -Why Zed couldn't careless about you or Dulli or Sherp. You're all liars. You're all trolls. You're all a waste of time.

    No they aren't. and let's be honest....both you and Zed prove that you very much value your time with them, considering how much of it you spend exchanging posts.

    -Who cares about thousands of children and adults, being kept in concentration camps?

    That's impossible to answer.....what with so many folks feigning their faux outrage and concern over these people.

    I really don't know who cares or not.

    #229 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-09 02:43 PM | Reply

    where is this stuff from holocaust survivor/descendants coming from?

    #230 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-09 02:45 PM | Reply

    Have you actually taken five minutes to read the article I posted?
    I doubt you have.

    #228 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    Where did you post it? This thread was created by Rein.

    #231 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 02:46 PM | Reply

    Never Again Action, led by U.S. Jewish activists, is taking up the battle against detention centers on behalf of undocumented immigrants -- and is not afraid to invoke the Holocaust for its cause.
    www.haaretz.com
    #170 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    I updated the link for you.

    #232 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 02:49 PM | Reply

    where is this stuff from holocaust survivor/descendants coming from?
    #230 | POSTED BY EBERLY

    My link is in #232.

    HC provided a tweet in #217 which is really spot on.

    And Yav did a good analysis of the situation in #180.

    #233 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 02:51 PM | Reply

    --Provide a link.
    I'll read it and let you know. "

    Dozens of links from holocaust survivors denouncing AOC have been posted since she started this.

    #234 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 02:52 PM | Reply

    No they aren't.

    Are you sure? Have you actually read/paid attention to the volume of nonsense they post?

    #235 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 02:56 PM | Reply

    My link is in #232.

    Thanks. I'll check it out.

    #236 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 02:59 PM | Reply

    Your link has a pay-wall.

    #237 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 03:02 PM | Reply

    Dozens of links from holocaust survivors denouncing AOC have been posted since she started this.
    #234 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

    Well. Then it should be easy for you to provide me with one.

    I provided your Mattress with links to Trump's government shutdown, even though it was news for a month straight.

    #238 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:04 PM | Reply

    Your link has a pay-wall.

    That's odd. It doesn't for me.

    #239 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:05 PM | Reply

    I really enjoy reading Jeff call holocaust survivors, and descendants of holocaust survivors, historically illiterate and retarded.
    POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-07-09 02:00 PM | REPLY

    Jeff lacks the mental capacity to understand what is going on.

    #240 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-07-09 03:07 PM | Reply

    Wow. Super weird. Now it does.

    I'm not sure what to tell you. It didn't have a paywall yesterday...

    #241 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:07 PM | Reply

    -Have you actually read/paid attention to the volume of nonsense they post?

    yes......and plenty others, too.

    nonsense is a relative term.

    #242 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-09 03:09 PM | Reply

    Strange. I tried opening the link from my phone and got the same thing.

    Oh well.

    Here are some links you requested:

    www.jta.org

    nypost.com

    ijr.com

    www.dailymail.co.uk

    www.newsweek.com

    #243 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 03:09 PM | Reply

    nonsense is a relative term.

    I'm okay with nonsense as far as trolling.

    Its the blatant lying and revisionist history which I find ridiculous.

    #244 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:11 PM | Reply

    I tried opening the link from my phone and got the same thing.

    What's weird is. If you search it on google and go to the article, it doesn't prompt you to pay.

    But when I go their directly from the link it asks for the payment. Odd.

    #245 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:12 PM | Reply

    --Well. Then it should be easy for you to provide me with one.

    Why bother? On the retort if you document a claim on Monday, by Wednesday, at the latest, someone is asking you to document your claim again.

    #246 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 03:12 PM | Reply

    What search words did you type into Google to find it?

    #247 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 03:13 PM | Reply

    Why bother?
    #246 | POSTED BY TROLLIFIDIAN

    Let's ask you.

    No point in documenting any argument with links. You fanatics won't read them or you'll slaughter the source or both.
    #212 | POSTED BY TROLLIFIDIAN

    #248 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Never mind. Even when I found it using a Google search I hit a pay-wall.

    #249 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 03:17 PM | Reply

    I typed in: "never again speaks out against internment camps holocaust"

    Here are other links that came up:

    Jewish Activists Are Protesting ICE Detention Centers Across The Country
    m.huffpost.com

    ‘Never again' means nothing if Holocaust analogies are always off limits
    beta.washingtonpost.com

    36 Arrested As Hundreds of Jewish Protesters Block Road to Migrant Detention Center
    www.commondreams.org

    Call them 'concentration camps,' a Holocaust survivor's daughter says
    www.latimes.com

    AS A RABBI, I AGREE WITH AOC: TRUMP IS RUNNING CONCENTRATION CAMPS ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER
    www.newsweek.com

    AOC was right to compare Trump's border internment camps to concentration camps
    www.nbcnews.com

    #250 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:23 PM | Reply

    #250 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-07-09 03:23 PM | FLAG:

    You sure are working hard for the open borders lobby. The Chamber of Commerce and the Koch brothers thank you for your support.

    #251 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-09 03:27 PM | Reply

    Thanks, Clown.

    I'll pick one and give it a read.

    #252 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 03:29 PM | Reply

    At any given moment in time, Clown is only two posts away from calling everyone racists and xenophobes.

    #253 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-09 03:31 PM | Reply

    You sure are working hard for the open borders lobby.

    Its a cause I believe in.

    The Chamber of Commerce and the Koch brothers thank you for your support.
    #251 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

    So do the immigrants coming to seek asylum and a better life.

    #254 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:34 PM | Reply

    So do the immigrants coming to seek asylum and a better life.

    #254 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    Then come here legally.

    #255 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 03:35 PM | Reply

    #253 | POSTED BY SHERP

    You make it too easy.

    #256 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:35 PM | Reply

    Then come here legally.
    #255 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    They are.

    #257 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 03:36 PM | Reply

    They are.

    #257 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

    How do you figure?

    Are they applying for VISA's? Are they coming in through established ports of entry?

    #258 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 03:38 PM | Reply

    Then come here legally.

    #255 | Posted by JeffJ

    Make it so they can.

    #259 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-07-09 03:43 PM | Reply

    Jeff.

    My analysis of your links:

    www.jta.org: Almost all the groups cited in the article agree the conditions in the camps are atrocious, inhuman, and inhospitable. They disagree with the term "concentration camps" because they don't see the situation to be as bad as they were during WW2.

    nypost.com: Tells the story of one holocaust survivor who believes concentration camps should mean death camps. I'm sorry for his personal losses.

    ijr.com: Is reporting on the same guy as in the last link you provided. Same information. Same conclusions.

    www.dailymail.co.uk: again, same story, same guy.

    www.newsweek.com: this group, again, find the conditions along the border to be atrocious, inhospitable and inhuman. They object to the term concentration camps. But AOC has some great responses in the article. The article does a great job of presenting both perspectives.

    #260 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 04:07 PM | Reply

    Are they coming in through established ports of entry?
    #258 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

    The ones seeking asylum are.

    #261 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 04:07 PM | Reply

    Clown,

    A big part of the reason congress just passed an overwhelmingly bipartisan spending bill to deal with our border crisis is due to the living conditions of these camps.

    Trump was about to begin mass deportations and Pelosi called him and asked for, and was granted, a 2-week reprieve so congress could get its act together.

    It's amazing how swiftly things can sometimes get done in DC when the media holds a microscope over human suffering that can be relieved, at least in the short term, with additional resources.

    Now congress needs to pass a bill amending our amnesty-seeking process which is being exploited and is a major cause for all of this.

    #262 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:13 PM | Reply

    "#225 Holocaust survivors and descendants of holocaust survivors also blasted AOC for her attempt to equate the 2 sets of camps. Are they right too?
    #227 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

    No, they're retarded.
    She didn't attempt to equate two sets of camps.
    She used the term "concentration camps" just by itself, and it triggered people.

    Those triggered, who haven't figured out what happened to them -- people like you, JeffJ -- are the snowflakes here.

    #263 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Jeff,

    Keeping a constant flow of illegal immigrants is a great way of creating a second class of people in America which are exploited for extremely cheap labor.

    The only way to fix this problem is to allow anyone who wants to come to America the opportunity to do so legally.

    Give them identification cards and tax their labor. This will help boost our economy and prevent employers from taking advantage of illegal immigrants.

    #264 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 04:17 PM | Reply

    She knew what she was doing.

    She knows that most people, when hearing the word "concentration camp" immediately think of Nazi Germany.

    And to make sure she wasn't too 'subtle' she threw in the 'never again' phrase.

    #265 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "She knows that most people, when hearing the word "concentration camp" immediately think of Nazi Germany."

    Yeah, so?
    People hearing anti-immigrant rhetoric think of Nazi Germany too.

    #266 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    Clown,

    We have to be able to control the flow of immigration. It can't be unfettered. I'm all for loosening requirements to come here legally and I don't want to create a lower class of residents. The part of the equation that is seldom talked-about is that nearly half of those who are here illegally are here on VISA over-stays.

    As for the asylum-seekers...that process needs to be much stricter IMO.

    #267 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:21 PM | Reply

    Jeff.

    How many of the links I provided you have you read?

    I read all yours.

    #268 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-09 04:21 PM | Reply

    Maybe she was hoping you'd do more than "immediate thinking."
    Mable reflect on the morality of separating all children from their parents.

    It's been almost a month and you still haven't processed the way AOC traumatized you.

    #269 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:22 PM | Reply

    People hearing anti illegal-immigrant rhetoric think of Nazi Germany too.

    #266 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Edited for accuracy.

    And that statement is asinine. It's not like we are sending brownshirts into Central America, rounding these people up and bringing them to these detention camps. Nor are they being worked to death. Nor are they being summarily shot. Nor are they being burned alive in giant ovens. Nor are the being buried in shallow, mass graves.

    It's for these reasons and more that AOC got so much blowback from her immature comments.

    #270 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:24 PM | Reply

    Clown,

    I read the LA Times link, WaPo and NBC News. 3 in total.

    #271 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:25 PM | Reply

    "People hearing anti illegal-immigrant rhetoric think of Nazi Germany too.
    #266 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
    Edited for accuracy"

    Accuracy?
    Does the fact that they're illegal change anything?
    What does the fact that they're illegal, change about what we are doing to them?

    #272 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:25 PM | Reply

    Mable reflect on the morality of separating all children from their parents.

    Do you know the reasoning behind this policy?

    #273 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:26 PM | Reply

    "Do you know the reasoning behind this policy?"

    The reasoning behind it doesn't change how moral it is.
    Do you know that?

    #274 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:28 PM | Reply

    "It's not like we are sending brownshirts into Central America"

    Apparently you've never heard of the School of The Americas.

    #275 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:28 PM | Reply

    Let's give this a try:

    Myth
    DHS has a policy to separate families at the border.

    Fact
    DHS does not have a blanket policy of separating families at the border. However, DHS does have a responsibility to protect all minors in our custody. This means DHS will separate adults and minors under certain circumstances. These circumstances include: 1) when DHS is unable to determine the familial relationship, 2) when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or 3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution.

    Familial Relationship – If there is reason to question the claimed familial relationship between an adult and child, it is not appropriate to detain adults and children together.
    Human Trafficking and Smuggling – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian of human trafficking or smuggling, DHS detains the adult in an appropriate, secure detection facility, separate from the minor. DHS continues to see instances and intelligence reports indicating minors are trafficked by unrelated adults, posing as a "family" in an effort to avoid detention.
    Safety Risk – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian poses a safety risk to the child (e.g. suspected child abuse), it is not appropriate to maintain the adult and child together.
    Criminal Prosecution – If an adult is referred for criminal prosecution, the adult will be transferred to U.S. Marshals Service custody and any children will be classified as an unaccompanied alien child and transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services custody.


    www.dhs.gov

    #276 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:29 PM | Reply

    "detention camps. Nor are they being worked to death. Nor are they being summarily shot."

    That's what makes them concentration camps, not labor camps or death camps!

    "Nor are they being burned alive in giant ovens."

    That didn't even happen.
    The ovens are to dispose of human remains, killed with Zyklon B, or by other means.

    #277 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:30 PM | Reply

    Clown,

    The general theme from the sources I read that you provided was more of a slippery slope type of scenario.

    The thing is, with $4.5 billion just appropriated I would say the slope is moving in the opposite direction.

    #278 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:30 PM | Reply

    #276

    Does that sound "moral" to you, Snoofy?

    #279 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:32 PM | Reply

    "These circumstances include: 1) when DHS is unable to determine the familial relationship, 2) when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or 3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution."

    #3 covers literally all of them.
    It's even called a "zero-tolerance" policy on the DHS website.
    You're denying the zero-tolerance policy now?
    ???

    #280 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:32 PM | Reply

    #274 Is it moral to keep children with adults who are abusing them and/or trafficking them?

    #281 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:32 PM | Reply

    "Does that sound "moral" to you, Snoofy?"

    No, it sounds like a policy designed to destroy families and inflict trauma on children and parents alike.
    Because that's what it is.

    Just tell me if you'd support a policy where American people's children are sent to camps for any legal misdemeanor, such as shoplifting or public intoxication.

    Because that's what you're supporting here, for illegals. The maximum legal penalty for what they're being referred to criminal prosecution is a few thousand dollars fine and six months for a first offense, or a slightly higher fine and two years for subsequent offenses.

    So you'd not only take someone's kids away for a misdemeanor, you'd claim you're helping the kids.

    So why not roll out this policy for Americans? Why should illegal kids get all the help?

    #282 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:37 PM | Reply

    "#274 Is it moral to keep children with adults who are abusing them and/or trafficking them?"

    Of course not , idiot.

    #283 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:37 PM | Reply

    #3 covers literally all of them.

    It doesn't apply to the ones who have come in through a port of entry.

    #284 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:38 PM | Reply

    Are all the children taken, being taken away from adults who are charged with abusing and/or trafficking them?

    No, they are not.

    You're parroting anti-immigrant propaganda to justify this disgusting policy of family separation, and I doubt you even realize it.

    Family separation, not pimp and hooker separation, JeffJ.

    #285 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:40 PM | Reply

    "#274 Is it moral to keep children with adults who are abusing them and/or trafficking them?"
    Of course not , idiot.

    #283 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    Then why are you advocating for it?

    Also, did you read this:

    Myth
    Once separated, arriving alien adults cannot contact minors and are not told where the minors are being held by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

    Fact
    DHS is committed to and has procedures in place to connect family members after separation so adults know the location of minors and have regular communication with them.

    HHS and DHS work to facilitate communication between detained adults and minors (in HHS custody) in a number of ways to include telephone and/or video conferencing. Additionally, ICE has posted information in all over 72-hour facilities advising detained adults who are trying to locate, and/or communicate with a child in the custody of HHS to call the Detention Reporting and Information Line (DRIL) for assistance. This posted information includes:

    HHS Adult Hotline (24 hours a day, 7 days a week, in both English and Spanish):
    If calling from outside an ICE detention facility, call 1-800-203-7001.
    If calling from an ICE detention facility, dial 699# on the free call platform.
    Please note that you will need to provide the child's full name, date of birth, and country of origin. It is also helpful to provide the child's alien registration number, if you know it.
    HHS Email:
    information@ORRNCC.com
    Individuals may also obtain information about a particular immigration case (including their child's), or information about reunifying with minors, through the following methods:

    ICE Call Center (Monday-Friday, 8 am-8 pm EST):
    If calling from outside an ICE detention facility, call 1-888-351-4024.
    If calling from an ICE detention facility, dial 9116# on the free call platform.
    ICE Email: Parental.Interests@ice.dhs.gov
    Additionally, CBP has developed and distributed bilingual documents outlining the separation and reunification process.

    #286 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:41 PM | Reply

    Fact is, an overwhelming majority of those coming here are doing so for economic opportunities. Claiming asylum is simply their tool to get through the door.

    #287 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:42 PM | Reply

    "It doesn't apply to the ones who have come in through a port of entry."

    Trump restricted access at legal ports of entry.
    www.nbcnews.com

    #288 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:43 PM | Reply

    "Fact is, an overwhelming majority of those coming here are doing so for economic opportunities."

    That doesn't make separating them from their children any less disgusting a policy, JeffJ.
    Why can't you acknowledge that?

    #289 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:44 PM | Reply

    "Claiming asylum is simply their tool to get through the door."

    That doesn't make separating them from their children any less disgusting a policy, JeffJ.
    Why can't you acknowledge that?

    #290 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:45 PM | Reply

    "It doesn't apply to the ones who have come in through a port of entry."

    Trump restricted access at legal ports of entry.
    www.nbcnews.com

    #288 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

    The asylum claims were overwhelming the system.

    #291 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-09 04:45 PM | Reply

    "The asylum claims were overwhelming the system."

    That doesn't make separating them from their children any less disgusting a policy, JeffJ.
    Why can't you acknowledge that?

    #292 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-09 04:46 PM | Reply

    #200 | Posted by AndreaMackris

    I see you've graduated from the Sheepleshart school of lies, distortions and deceit.

    It's amazing, for a party that always claims to have the answers it's always the other side causing and doing everything.

    It's almost as if you're incapable of admitting your worldview is schitt and is the touch of death to society.

    #293 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-09 05:44 PM | Reply

    I really don't know who cares or not.

    #229 | Posted by eberly at 2019

    Hint: No ne who wants the Camps to continue.

    #294 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-09 07:12 PM | Reply

    The asylum claims were overwhelming the system.

    #291 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-07-09 04:45 PM | REPLY

    And Trump turned the problem of a 2+ year wait for adjudication into the crisis of detaining all of the people waiting for adjudication 2+ years. Good job! The detention is all new spending on our grandkids credit card.

    No we wont fund more detention centers or Trump's other useless vanity project, the wall.

    #295 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-07-10 03:36 AM | Reply

    No American President has ever needed to deny as many allegations as the orange sloth. It's a routine practice for him, and takes up so much time it's cutting into the idiot's Fox and Friends and golf time. Denial is Trump's most important daily task and conjoins him with TV evangelicals.

    #296 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-10 08:59 AM | Reply

    "Trump denies".....he's lying. I don't care what the topic is, if he denies it then he's lying.

    #297 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-10 09:15 AM | Reply

    "The asylum claims were overwhelming the system."

    Then grow the system. Do you support separating babies from their mothers? Toddlers? What age is old enough? Sick.

    #298 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-10 09:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    That's what they just passed funding for. It was bipartisan. Progressives were pissed.

    #299 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-10 09:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

    "The administration will notify Congress within 24 hours if a child dies in custody, and children will be kept at emergency facilities for no longer than 90 days. The package provides $4.6 billion in funding, including money for the Department of Defense and Immigration and Customs Enforcement that some House Democrats opposed. The majority of the money is humanitarian aid to be allocated to the Department of Health and Human Services for the Office of Refugee Resettlement."

    #300 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-10 09:40 AM | Reply

    "The administration will notify Congress within 24 hours if a child dies in custody"

    No one believes Trump will do this.

    #301 | Posted by Zed at 2019-07-10 10:40 AM | Reply

    ‘If not now, when?' Jews in America see echoes of the Holocaust in immigrant detention centres

    ‘I'm Jewish, and I refuse to be a good German'

    www.independent.co.uk

    #302 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-07-10 11:18 AM | Reply

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