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David Atkins: Nancy Pelosi has been one of the most effective Democratic leaders the modern era. She is at least partly responsible for most of the good things Democrats have done at the federal level in the last many decades, and for stopping an enormous amount of terrible conservative policy. But this is pointless.

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Nancy Pelosi has been one of the most effective Democratic leaders the modern era. She is at least partly responsible for most of the good things Democrats have done at the federal level in the last many decades, and for stopping an enormous amount of terrible conservative policy. But this is pointless.

The young freshmen in Congress including Katie Porter, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Katie Hill, Rashida Tlaib and Pramila Jayapal are providing more energy and excitement than the party has seen since Barack Obama ran for president. From the Green New Deal to the concentration camps on the border, they are doing more to push the Overton Window to the left and hold the conservative movement accountable for its moral debasement than anyone has in years.

As Ryan Grim noted in the Washington Post, far too many Democrats in leadership don't realize it's not 1984 anymore. No one needs to stand guard against Walter Mondale. No one needs to Sister Souljah anyone anymore–if they ever did. The country is in a very different place now, with a very different electorate informed by very different experiences.

If the leadership can't get on board with the new wave yet, at the very least it could spend less time trying to squelch and dismiss it.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-07-07 09:07 AM | Reply

Oh please! Give a bigger role to AOC, she is the best campaigner the Republicans have.

#2 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-07-07 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


I read the article. Twice.

I am left with the opinion that the author is trying to get somewhere, but is unable to reach that destination.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- From the Green New Deal to the concentration camps on the border

Stopped reading right there. Don't expect to be taken seriously if you use that demagogic rhetoric.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 10:57 AM | Reply

"Pelosi Rips Ocasio-Cortez, Other Progressives: ‘They're Four People And That's How Many Votes They Got'"

About time Pelosi stand up to these lunatics.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- From the Green New Deal to the concentration camps on the border

Stopped reading right there. Don't expect to be taken seriously if you use that demagogic rhetoric.

#4 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You just called Henry Wallace an appeaser and a communist sympathizer, and Wallace was aligned with WWII hero Eisenhower on multiple issues.

www.drudge.com

When it comes to demagogic rhetoric, you need to look in the mirror.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-07-07 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4


@#5 ...About time Pelosi stand up to these lunatics.

Be careful that you do not conflate what you see publicly with what occurs in private.

Spkr Pelosi has been doing a good job of working with Ocasio-Cortez and the other new progressives in the Democratic party, and vice versa. You may not see it because a lot of it occurs behind the scenes.

What really makes me curious, though, is the apparent high level of fascination the Republicans have with Rep Ocasio-Cortez. She's a junior Representative, yet she seems to be a rather large blip on the Republican radar. If she were as bad as they say she is, they should just ignore her, and let her implode from her own incompetence.

But the Republicans don't ignore her.

It makes me wonder why the Republicans are so obsessed with her.

Given the probing questions she asked during one of the hearings a few months ago, I can see one reason why the Republicans are so afraid of her.

But there must be something else...


#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

--he apparent high level of fascination the Republicans have with Rep Ocasio-Cortez.

More like the MSM-DNC's fascination. She's attractive and says outrageous things, so expect her to continue to get out-sized coverage relative to her seniority. That's a problem for Democrats. Enjoy!

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-07 11:29 AM | Reply

-It makes me wonder why the Republicans are so obsessed with her.

I assume the GOP believes she will implode and make the dems all look bad.

If AOC is the real deal and has a legitimate future then give her time and let her develop relationships with leadership on both sides and learn more about things she likely knows nothing about at this very new stage of her political career.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2019-07-07 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#8 ... More like the MSM-DNC's fascination. ...

You're joking, right?


... She's attractive and says outrageous things ...

She also says some very good things, especially during Congressional hearings. She ran circles around Rep Jim Jordan during the hearings, he was left licking his wounds because she had asked very pointed legal questions, and he just threw up politics.

Yeah, I can see why you might think she says outrageous things. But I also suspect you would say that anyone who isn't to the right of Attila the Hun says outrageous things.

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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Apropos, imo...

Liberals are eating their friends as well as their enemies
nypost.com

...With Democrats increasingly attacking each other with a vitriol they once reserved for President Trump, an anecdote involving President Lyndon Johnson fits the moment. As recounted in the riveting memoir of Joseph Califano, Johnson's top domestic adviser, the president was meeting with civil rights leaders in the hot racial summer of 1967.

Dems were sharply divided over several issues, including how to respond to riots in Detroit and Newark, and LBJ hoped to corral NAACP leader Roy Wilkins and Urban League Executive Director Whitney Young into his corner.

At a White House meeting, Johnson recited his Great Society accomplishments but Wilkins and Young appeared numb and in despair, saying they couldn't control the young rioters, Califano writes in "The Tragedy and Triumph of Lyndon Johnson."

It was then that Johnson attacked the left wing of his own party. "A liberal is intolerant of other views. He wants to control your thoughts and actions," Johnson declared. Califano then describes the president moving forward in his chair to deliver his punch line. "You know the difference between cannibals and liberals? Cannibals eat only their enemies."...



Fmr Pres Johnson did have a way with words. It's one of the things I liked about him. Blunt, to the point.


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

AOC is as right as most conservatives. Here's why. We can't operate our modern economy without oil and natural gas. But we can and must reduce our carbon footprint in order to avoid a grotesque rise in sea levels and disruptions of food supplies. The US is not the best or worst (6.2 QBtu/GDP)at addressing this problem. Germany (4.1 QBtu/GDP) is the best and South Africa (14.6 QBtu/GDP) the worst among developed economies. But all developed economies consume far more energy than undeveloped countries. However, the US consumes more energy per capita than any other country in the world. Economist Robert Pollin has studied this problem and concluded by implementing energy saving programs and increasing renewable energy generation to about a third of our generating capacity we can reduce our energy consumption to (2.3 QBtu/GDP) and associated carbon emissions enough to avoid the catastrophic losses of coastlines and food production. Doing this requires investing less than 2% of the US GDP annually in new generating technologies and more efficient production equipment. Taking these actions will create more jobs, so this industrial policy becomes a win-win for the country. No one has ever suggested that oil production will be eliminated. Conservatives that deride OAC on that point are lying and courting disaster.

#12 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-07 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

From the Green New Deal to the concentration camps on the border

Stopped reading right there. Don't expect to be taken seriously if you use that demagogic rhetoric.
#4 | POSTED BY XENOFIDIAN

Says the ---- who posts #partyofopenborders for every post.

You sad someone else is better at the game than you are?

You sad your beloved concentration camps are being called what they are?

Awe, my heart breaks for your blistered skin.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 12:23 PM | Reply

AOC is as right

That's what pisses of conservatives the most.

She's younger and smarter than all of them.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As President Johnson pointed out ....

A liberal is intolerant of other views. He want to control your thoughts and actions, you know the difference between a cannibals an a Liberal?

Cannibals only eat their enemies.
www.archives.gov

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:25 PM | Reply

Says the ---- who posts #partyofopenborders for every post. ~ ConcernShack

See this is misogynistic ...

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:26 PM | Reply

Just curious CrackShack ...

Do you just wake up spitting this language? Are you that angry at the world?

I mean I understand getting angry, but its Sunday morning.....

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:27 PM | Reply

she seems to be a rather large blip on the Republican radar.

She says things they can easily attack her for.

She's anti fossil fuels and pro green energy, so they attack her. Clearly fossil fuels are working just fine and green energy gives you cancer.

She's vocal about climate change, so they attack her. Clearly climate change is a scam for scientists to get grant money. Anyone who believes humans are effecting our environment, therefore the climate, is just hysterical. Besides. Nothing can be done.

She's pro women's rights, so they attack her. Women should remain in the house, cooking, cleaning and birthing.

She's anti concentration camps, so they attack her. Besides, it's their own fault. America is full. They should have stayed in Mexico.

She's anti rape, so they attack her. After all, rape is God's will. Free will is a myth.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do you just wake up spitting this language?

I spit hot fire.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 12:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

See this is misogynistic ...

Your saggy lady bits make me want to barf.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-07 12:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Liberals and Libertarians have no interest in perpetual war or the hostile police State we are morphing into. The orange sloth and conservatives in general support those policies in order to grow and protect their nest eggs. The rich always need policemen and military forces to prevent popular revolts against their self enriching policies. Life has never been and can never be fair, but what is going on now is inexcusable, and should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer ever since US and European Banks destroyed the global economy in 2008, all the while under the watch of the Asleep at the Wheel, US Federal Reserve System. Since then the Fed (except Janet Yellen) has been exclusively interested in looking out for the best interests of the very criminals that caused the crisis.

#21 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-07 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Your saggy lady bits make me want to barf.
#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

See thats funny right there...

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-07 12:54 PM | Reply


Trump Compared AOC to Eva Perón, Report on Upcoming Book Says
www.bloomberg.com

...Donald Trump has compared Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to former Argentine first lady Eva Perón, according to reports on a new book about the president's rise in a fractured Republican Party....

Perón, the wife of Argentine President Juan Perón, was a former actress known for her popular appeal and power in her husband's administration. Often called "Evita," she died at age 33 in 1952 and became the subject of the 1979 Andrew Lloyd Webber-Tim Rice musical of the same name. Patti LuPone won a Tony Award for her portrayal in the original Broadway production; Madonna played Perón in the 1996 film version.

In the book, Trump praises Ocasio-Cortez's "talent" and "potential" but slams her knowledge, or lack of it, the Guardian said. Despite the enmity between the two, Trump's comparison may not entirely be an insult: he wrote in a 2004 book that "Evita" was his favorite Broadway show and that he'd seen it six times, according to ABC News....


Yup, obsessed.

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

With the rift between Biden/Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez/et al, the gap between the older generation and the younger generation comes clearly into relief.

#24 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-07 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the Point of Democratic Leaders Insulting AOC and Friends?

The do it for their corrupt elite donors.

These are the morons who got donald trump elected.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-07 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

With the rift between Biden/Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez/et al, the gap between the older generation and the younger generation comes clearly into relief.

#24 | Posted by moder8

Gosh what a hard fight to take sides in. The old corrupt puppets who tell bankers than nothing needs to change and we shouldnt impeach trump, or the other side?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-07 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4


@#24 ... between the older generation and the younger generation ...

I usually use, as a rule of thumb, 25 years per generation. Based upon that, it is almost as if there were a missing generation in between the older and younger political generations.

Instead of sons and daughters of the current political generation, we seem to have granddaughters and grandsons.

As such, is the difference of opinions really a surprise?



#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-07-07 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So David Atkins very correctly got on his moral high horse and delivered a lecture to Pelosi about doing the right thing instead of the clever tactical thing for the next election. All very dubious claims in either direction. Atkins is right in everything he says, but his analysis is incomplete.
How can he bring this problem to the forefront without acknowledging that the Democrat leadership, across the board, shares power and competes with Republicans for the same Oligarch dollars? This is all you need to know to understand Pelosi, Schumer, Harris or Feinstein.

The Democratic Party, despite its professed support of Labor and egalitarian social programs, isn't a bulwark against the agenda of enrichment of the few at the expense of the many. The country has suffered through two collaborationist governments, overseen by Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. In 2016, we only escaped a third because of Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton.

There is no escape as the wealth transfer accelerates under the orange sloth. Pelosi is doing what the Oligarchy demands before they give Democrats or Republicans any money. And we're all trapped in this mess until we take to the streets in mass protests. Bernie provides the only realistic path out.

#28 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-07 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The politics of the old Democratic guard, including people such as HRC, is being replaced. For the time being there is kind of a vacuum between the old leadership, and all the young new blood who still have not lost sight of their values.

#29 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-07-07 03:44 PM | Reply

So David Atkins very correctly got on his moral high horse and delivered a lecture to Pelosi about doing the right thing instead of the clever tactical thing for the next election.

#28 | Posted by bayviking

So you accept pelosi's ASSUMPTION that impeachment will be bad for dems?

The same pelosi who oversaw massive losses of democrat power since 2008?

Her credibility is zero. She's a coward and a puppet.

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-07 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As I said, " All very dubious claims in either direction." Because otherwise close elections can hang on unexpected singular events, like Comey. And I state clearly that Atkins correctly spells out the path forward from a moral perspective and can add constitutional perspective. All I'm saying is DNC leadership cares only about getting money from big donors. There are many fine people that have recently joined the DNC ranks, but they hold little power, an obvious truth that Pelosi repeated.

#31 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-07 09:48 PM | Reply

Frankenstein's monster has broken out of the lab, and the results are beautiful (in a schadenfreude sense, at least)! I stand with Ilhan Omar on one point - no more wars for Israel!

#32 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-07-08 02:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AOC is a product of Saikat Chakrabarti. He launched a group that threw 100 progressive candidates at the wall. AOC is the only star built from the process. Saikat's background is Wall Street and Silicon Valley, and is the actual architect of the New Green Deal.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-08 08:07 AM | Reply

If AOC is the real deal and has a legitimate future then give her time and let her develop relationships with leadership on both sides and learn more about things she likely knows nothing about at this very new stage of her political career.

#9 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-07-07 11:42 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

I think that's what's going on here. Nancy is mentoring the next generation in the way the next generation wishes to be mentored. If Bernie took her advice, he'd be potus twice already.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-08 09:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The old Democratic Leadership doesn't see the tidal wave which is about to wash them out to sea forever. AOC isn't an anomaly, she's the future Republicans have been scared of for 60 years. Remember when the a*****s would post, "we're coming," guess what AOC and her compatriots really are coming. The Tea Partiers are dying, their day is done, we are going to enter a Progressive era like we have never seen in our lifetimes. The world is about to change.
I hope the first line of the next President's inauguration speech will be "you're fired!"

#35 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-08 10:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

You sound exactly like a Tea Partier circa 2009.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-08 11:59 AM | Reply

You sound exactly like a Tea Partier circa 2009.
#36 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

No she doesn't ... the TeaParty didn't want to "change" the world.

Danni is correct though, the Progressive Era has been transforming American since the 80's. The TeaParty was an anomoly, it was looking at the spending of Bush, and the future Democrat presidency as more of the same.

Today they practice radical acceptance, there's no stopping this train.

The country is going over the proverbial Progressive Cliff, the TeaParty attempted to slow it down, Progressives want to stomp on the accelerator.

#37 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-08 12:18 PM | Reply

"the TeaParty didn't want to "change" the world."

That's what happens when you protest the black guy bringing down the annual deficit, and are silent when the white guy explodes it.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-08 12:24 PM | Reply

"The country is going over the proverbial Progressive Cliff, the TeaParty attempted to slow it down, Progressives want to stomp on the accelerator."

Posts the head cheerleader for extra borrowing to give him a tax cut.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-07-08 12:25 PM | Reply

Nobody will acknowledge that the young folks troll the Dems on social media all the time? Only Nancy is told that it's not a good strategy? Weird.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-08 12:41 PM | Reply

Nancy Pelosi was first elected to congress two years before AOC was born. For better or worse, her vision of the Democratic Party has been shaped by 32 years of service, and it should be expected that she would be at the very least reluctant to see the party that she supported for such a long time change direction on the whims of inexperienced newcomers.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-08 12:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"The Tea Partiers are dying, their day is done, we are going to enter a Progressive era like we have never seen in our lifetimes. The world is about to change."

So...we're about to turn into Venezuela?

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-08 12:50 PM | Reply

"You sound exactly like a Tea Partier circa 2009."

Tea Party 2009: "Keep your government hands off my Medicare." No, I don't sound like that, sorry, the Tea Partiers were angry racists who couldn't handle Barrack Obama being our President. That ain't me.

and it should be expected that she would be at the very least reluctant to see the party that she supported for such a long time change direction on the whims of inexperienced newcomers."

I am hardly a newcomer or inexperienced. It is time for a change in leadership. Joe Biden wants his chance to be President, he feels like he deserves it. Guess what? No one deserves it except those who want to lead us forward not keep us in the same place. Nancy Pelosi has been a great leader but her time is passed. New leaders will pull us forward.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-08 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This thread has been fun to watch so far.

Danni definitely sounds like a TP'er.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-07-08 01:09 PM | Reply

You sound exactly like a Tea Partier circa 2009.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg a

You mean right before they took over the republican party and elected the next president?

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-08 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nancy Pelosi was first elected to congress two years before AOC was born. For better or worse, her vision of the Democratic Party has been shaped by 32 years of service, and it should be expected that she would be at the very least reluctant to see the party that she supported for such a long time change direction on the whims of inexperienced newcomers.

#41 | Posted by madbomber

Funny how the biggest pelosi haters have turned into pelosi defenders since she decided to protect trump from impeachment.

See this dems? Morons now love pelosi. Ditch her immediately.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-08 01:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Evil always turns on itself. That's the problem with evil. That's why it always loses. It must, by its nature, turn on itself.

#47 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-07-08 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You mean right before they took over the republican party and elected the next president?

#45 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-07-08 01:13 PM

So AOC is your Trump? She is using the same tactics.

#48 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-07-09 08:06 AM | Reply

AOC better be careful or Pelosi will demand her State tax return.

#49 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-07-09 09:13 AM | Reply

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