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Former Vice President Joe Biden expressed deep skepticism of the leftward tilt of the Democratic Party in an exclusive interview with CNN airing Friday.

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Can't disagree with him on just about anything in that article.

But the Dems will still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And I'm willing to bet that we'll be hearing the same cries and moans about a popular vote winner losing the election.

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-05 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

the majority of Democrats are "center left"

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-05 01:57 PM | Reply

--Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, while "brilliant" and "bright,"

Roflmao

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-05 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3

Laugh all you want.

She's smarter and more accomplished than you are.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-05 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"That AOC has some perky lady bits!" - Joe, on the Issues

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-05 02:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#1

I don't disagree with him either, but he is going to need to keep the gaffes to a minimum if he is going to maintain enough Joementum to get through Super Tuesday in the lead. California is going to be all in for Harris, so he is going to need to show well elsewhere to stay in the race.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-05 02:42 PM | Reply

"That AOC has some perky lady bits!" - Joe, on the Issues

Where are Nulli and the Mattress to call you a misogynist?

I'm just kidding. You're on their team, nothing you post will "offend" them.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-05 03:35 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

How is that misogynist? Some athletic women would kill for that figure.

There are even some businesses catering to it ....
perkyladyunderthings.com

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-05 03:44 PM | Reply

How is that misogynist?

I've read you accuse other posters of misogyny for saying much tamer things than commenting on "perky lady's bits."

Like I said, Sherp is on your team. So he can do no wrong in your book.

#9 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-07-05 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Goofy Joe:

BIDEN: RUSSIA ELECTION INTERFERENCE WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED ‘ON MY WATCH AND BARACK'S WATCH'

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-05 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"How is that misogynist?"

You're getting hysterical.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-07-05 05:13 PM | Reply

How long before Joe is made to backtrack on this, just like the DNC forced Koala to?

#12 | Posted by Spork at 2019-07-05 06:15 PM | Reply

I've read you accuse other posters of misogyny for saying much tamer things than commenting on "perky lady's bits."

Like what? I only comment typically when they say something about homophobia, and "beating" or "raping" a woman.

Talking about perky bits.... please ...

So he can do no wrong in your book.

#9 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Its possible he could, I have nailed conservatives before for homophobic nonsense.

Spare me you concern trolling KING.

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-05 08:01 PM | Reply

Biden Expresses Skepticism of Democrats' Leftward Tilt

No leftward tilt in 2016, and what was the result?

Leftward tilt in 2018, and what was the result?

Only cowardly morons can't see which path to take.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-07-05 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"My time is up, I'm sorry." -- Joe Biden

#15 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-05 09:59 PM | Reply

Leftward tilt in 2018, and what was the result?

That's addressed in the article. You should try reading it.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-05 10:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

First of all Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is not a Presidential candidate. Second of all you can't pretend to be center left when you have a clear record of supporting perpetual war and criminal bankers, oppose medicare for all, and you've never lifted a finger in your career for labor unions. Lastly putting aside the issue of whether Sanders would have won the general in a deeply divided country, Sanders performance during the Democrat Primary, in spite of all the obstacles imposed on him by the media and DNC is evidence that there is a large segment of the population that are far left who had given up on politics until Sanders came along. This group is known to include all younger voters.

Biden is FoS. But, given the divisiveness which the orange sloth has awakened, it will be difficult for Trump to win without cheating, which Republicans have turned into a science. In spite of the fact that Trump will trounce Biden in a debate, Biden could still win.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-05 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump will trounce Biden in a debate"

Did you see Biden debate when Barack ran? I think Biden could easily take Trump.

#18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-06 12:21 AM | Reply

I agree with everything Biden said.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-07-06 12:25 AM | Reply

"...to call you a misogynist?"
#7 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It's relevant satire; based on Joe's own behavior. - media2.s-nbcnews.com

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-07-06 12:37 AM | Reply

suggested that "Medicare for All" is irrational, argued that the majority of Democrats are "center left" not "way left,: Biden

70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

thehill.com

"One way that many Democrats believe he could better his chances is by picking a woman as his possible vice president, should he win the nomination.

How about Anita Hill!

#21 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-07-06 01:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Gropey Joe is cooked, so stick a fork in him. He's way too old, male, pale, and stale to hang with the woke commie revolutionary LARPers that are now the loudest and most influential voices in the democratic party.

#22 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-07-06 01:18 AM | Reply

"Second of all you can't pretend to be center left when you have a clear record of supporting perpetual war and criminal bankers, oppose medicare for all, and you've never lifted a finger in your career for labor unions."

Aside from the fact that you're referencing key issues for the far left, the unions appear to be throwing in for Biden. Which makes sense. Unions are generally concerned about thier members, who rely on employment to earn an income. So it's important to have a strong economy.

It's also worth mentioning that Socialists have had a lot more contentious relationship with labor than capitalists. It was unions that really started to pick apart the Soviet Union. It was unions that stood against Chavez in Venezuela, and it was unions who played the largest role in bringing down Allende's government in Chile.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-06 03:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Only cowardly morons can't see which path to take."

Trump could only hope that dems take this path.

Maybe it will look like 1984.

www.bing.com

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-06 03:29 AM | Reply

"He's way too old, male, pale, and stale to hang with the woke commie revolutionary LARPers that are now the loudest and most influential voices in the democratic party."

That's very true...but the loudest and most influential voices don't have nearly enough votes to secure the presidency. The rest of the country regards them as something of a joke. Children.

#25 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-06 03:30 AM | Reply

Telling Democrats to ignore our base and not move in the direction that the majority of us want to go is stupid. The votes Biden hopes to pick up are not going to vote for a Democrat, this is why Biden was never nominated nor elected President. He has a serious lack of vision, and is too closely aligned with bankers and everyone knows it. Student loan debt is a huge issue which he intends to completely ignore. His time passed when he became Obama's Vice President, Obama was a leader, Joe Biden is a follower.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-06 07:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"That's very true...but the loudest and most influential voices don't have nearly enough votes to secure the presidency. The rest of the country regards them as something of a joke. Children."

Out of touch with reality.

"Americans continue to express broad backing for "Medicare for All," a term of art embraced by liberal activists and leaders, including most of the Democratic candidates in the large field of 2020 presidential hopefuls. This support, documented in a new survey from RealClear Opinion Research, is especially pronounced among Democrats (82%), but is also strong among Independents, who favor it by a 2-to-1 margin. Even Republicans are evenly split.

"We know that health care was a primary driver of success for House Democrats in 2018, but what this poll shows is the importance this issue still holds in the 2020 cycle," said John Della Volpe, polling director for RealClear Opinion Research. "It transcends party, ideology and generation.""

www.realclearpolitics.com

#27 | Posted by danni at 2019-07-06 07:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Out of touch with reality."

You wouldn't know reality if it ------------ you.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-06 09:56 AM | Reply

But if you want a second term for trump...please continue. I think we're headed that way regardless...not sure that anyone can do anything about it...but people like you will make it much easier for the Don.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-06 10:02 AM | Reply

Republicans noninate an alt-right rapist who symapthizes with nazis. And Democrats have to nominate a centrist...why exactly?

Centrists like Kasich get laughed off the stage in Republican debates. It's like they know they can count on Dems to be the adults in the room after they nominate a racist twitter troll to be president.

---- Republicans and ---- whoever they think Democrats should nominate. You guys nominate your own centrist first, then we can talk.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-06 10:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

...whoever they think Democrats should nominate.

They do seem to have a lot of "helpful" advice, don't they?

#31 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-07-06 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They do seem to have a lot of "helpful" advice, don't they?

#31 | Posted by REDIAL

As do Canadians, for some reason.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-07-06 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wow... 5 minutes any no one has flagged that yet.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-07-06 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#33 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Done...

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-07-06 11:05 AM | Reply

Madbomber,

Clinton too has done nothing for labor and laughed when it was suggested he should. His response; What are they going to do align with the Republicans? I worked with a WWII refugee years ago who shared this story from the Stalin era. At mandatory town education meetings a speaker said Americans were so unhappy with their jobs that they go on strike all the time, which was true (even though it was dangerous). A man pointed out that Americans were free to go on strike. The speaker said, that is a very interesting point, may I speak with you after the meeting? The man was never seen again in the town. Decades later, with political support from the Catholic Church under Pope John Paul, which provided a safe meeting place, Lech Wałęsa became an international star before Russia could erase him and led a successful revolt which culminated in bringing down the Berlin Wall.

So I agree on some of your points. But you are creating a lot of fake history. The CIA is behind all the murder, destabilization and torture that the poor has been forced to endure South of our Border. This fact is well documented and includes direct involvement in drug running in dollars around the world because drug cartels provide organized resistance within governments which the USA does not approve of. Labor Unions and Socialists have always had a close relationship, most successful in Scandinavia and other European countries like Germany, where they all have seats on the board of Corporate directors. Much of the weakness of US labor is their leadership has been co-opted by Corporations. In America Capitalists are clearly winning Marx's class war, as income disparity continues to climb. Vilification of Marx, who believed Capitalism to be part of the solution, is a vital part of that class aar.

#35 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-06 11:24 AM | Reply

i>In spite of the fact that Trump will trounce Biden in a debate, Biden could still win.

#17 | Posted by bayviking

Only if the game is slinging childish insults.

Which will play well with Trump's base but not really anybody else.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-06 05:51 PM | Reply

---- Republicans and ---- whoever they think Democrats should nominate. You guys nominate your own centrist first, then we can talk.

#30 | Posted by JOE

Holy Schitt this is the complete wrong way to approach 2020.

Please tell me you were in a schitty mood and you now feel better and are on a more even keel.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2019-07-06 05:53 PM | Reply

#37

No, Joe has been consistent in his stupidity, this is really how he thinks.

Hey Joe, I am going to support Kamala...scratch her off your list.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-07-06 06:16 PM | Reply

#38 She was never on my list. Thanks for confirming i made the right choice.

#39 | Posted by JOE at 2019-07-07 12:27 AM | Reply

"Labor Unions and Socialists have always had a close relationship..."

Sort of. Socialist countries typically sponsored unions, but the workers were not free to engage in union activities that were not explicitly permitted by the state. In dependent unions are intended to elevate their members above all else. It doesn't matter if it's consumers, employers, the state...whatever.

"Much of the weakness of US labor is their leadership has been co-opted by Corporations. In America Capitalists are clearly winning Marx's class war, as income disparity continues to climb."

Here's the thing though...everyone is getting richer. Median household income is at an all time high. It's tough to sell the notion that workers are in trouble when they are doing better now than ever before. Hell, the prevailing message now seems to be "yes, you're getting richer, but others are getting even more rich...and that's a problem."

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-07 03:58 AM | Reply

As for Marx, Marxian economic theory was put to bed decades ago. It wasn't really Marx's though. He just borrowed from Adam Smith. In any case, thee Labor Theory of value doesn't offer much in the way of explaining economic activity or ascribing value.

#41 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-07 04:00 AM | Reply

Socialist Scandinavia formed unions successfully with less violence than in the States or the UK. Even today, 80-90% of employees in the Nordic countries work under collective bargaining agreements, compared to 10% in the United States where income disparity is out of control. Everyone is not getting richer, compared to inflation. It was much easier to earn a living in the fifties and there hasn't been a bill favorable to labor passed since 1978, which Carter rendered voluntary. Trump promised to fix that and managed to get elected in spite of obvious deep personal flaws. But Trump has never been interested in fixing the income disparity problem or he wouldn't hire illegal aliens almost exclusively.

China and Russia also have socialist traditions but they have largely been subservient to the rule of dictators. In those countries union organizing was strictly forbidden. The average bus driver in Sweden has two residences, one in town and one in the mountains or shore.

The GDP is going up, but that value obscures disparities. The GDP is measured as if actual production is identical to stock trading, rent collection or interest or late charges. They are fundamentally different, only production raises the net worth of the country. Those other incomes transfer money between different classes of citizens without changing the net net worth of the country on iota.

Everyone agrees Adam Smith was the first to approach economics as a science. So you can't say Marx was disproven ages ago and link him to Smith at the same time. That is absurd. Marx's philosophy evolved, is inclusive of capitalism and his identification of the natural conflict between capital and labor is as relevant today as it ever was. It is the reason capital has flown out of the country to build factories elsewhere, leaving domestic workers in worse shape than since the great depression. People were starving during the great depression, but they were never saddled with unsustainable debts, as they are today.

#42 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-07-07 06:57 PM | Reply

"Socialist Scandinavia"

Scandanavia isn't socialist. It's capitalist.

If it were socialist, it would be a colder Venezuela.

"Everyone is not getting richer, compared to inflation."

Official numbers say otherwise.

"China and Russia also have socialist traditions but they have largely been subservient to the rule of dictators."

Socialism relies on authoritarian rule...it can't exist without it.

"So you can't say Marx was disproven ages ago and link him to Smith at the same time."

It was Smith who was disproven...Marx was simply copying what had been disproved.

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-07-08 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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