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Tuesday, June 25, 2019

Illinois on Tuesday became the 11th state to legalize the sale and use of recreational marijuana for adults, a major victory for cannabis advocates who incorporated social justice initiatives into the measure.

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No doubt they'll tax it to death, leaving the black market intact, like California.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 02:10 PM | Reply

nulli should change his persona to NegativeNancyidian

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-06-25 02:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

No doubt they'll tax it to death, leaving the black market intact, like California.
#1 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-06-25 02:10 PM

Probably. I'm on the fence with states needing to clamp down on those stealing resources for their hidden grows. I'm guessing that the black market in legal states are local, rather than cross-border, so revenues generally would still remain within that state.

#3 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-25 04:14 PM | Reply

No doubt they'll tax it to death, leaving the black market intact, like California.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian

All California has to do is open up sales to the 80% of it's cities that do not allow the sale of it legally yet.

They don't even allow legal sales in Compton, California.

No legal sales in Compton California. I had no idea.

That is just insane.

#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-25 05:50 PM | Reply

this is how it boils down folks....a super wholesale price from a grower for some A++ bud would be 200, something that'd go in a club on saturday night for 20 a gr.
now that guy takes that 200 to the legal weed store and he spends the same amount but comes home with a variety to try.
a gypsy grower is a mom and pop going up against walmart.

and i've been asked "will there be a niche market for growers". no. it'll be state regulated and look at what agri-biz is doing with their GMO's..now translate that to seed strains that corps. patent. and besides that, wait till the whole country is legal, the price will go so low that the scale you'll have to grow on to be profitable will kill the small pot grower just like the amily farm can't compete with the corps

#5 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-25 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#5
i've read here recently that it would take a Minimum of one million dollars to open a retail recreational pot store in the denver area...if you could find an available location

#6 | Posted by MizWatsonsJim at 2019-06-25 06:02 PM | Reply

RE #6

And the regulations in California are onerous. Not very compatible with that culture.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-25 06:23 PM | Reply

No doubt they'll tax it to death, leaving the black market intact, like California.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian

Pro weed stoner whines about weed legalization because blah blah blah liberals blah.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-25 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Celebrate the new Illinois law. Tax will be 20% for rec users and I believe 2% for Med Card purchasers.

The law wont go into effect till 1/1/2020.

#9 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-06-25 06:32 PM | Reply

All California has to do is open up sales to the 80% of it's cities that do not allow the sale of it legally yet.

They don't even allow legal sales in Compton, California.

That has nothing to do with the State and everything to do with the particular cities, who aren't allowing sales.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-25 06:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Pro weed stoner"

Nulli used to get his knob polished here from fans like you when he talked about his drug use.

gee...what happened?

I mean it's not like he stopped being a stoner and you obviously didn't stop being a moron....so what gives?

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-25 06:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Nulli used to get his knob polished here from fans like you when he talked about his drug use.

gee...what happened?

I mean it's not like he stopped being a stoner and you obviously didn't stop being a moron....so what gives?

#11 | Posted by eberly

What happened is he joined the trump cult and started supporting the party that opposes everything he used to stand for.

Now that a blue state passed one of his agenda items, his democrat delusion syndrome is so bad that he still has to whine about the liberals who passed it.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-25 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

--I mean it's not like he stopped being a stoner

Actually I did, but I'm still pro-legalization for both cannabis and psychedelics.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 06:57 PM | Reply

So, Nullzy, does 20% and 2% seem way too high a tax to pay for not getting arrested? Cause it looks pretty reasonable to me.

#14 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-06-25 07:08 PM | Reply

Actually I did, but I'm still pro-legalization for both cannabis and psychedelics.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian

Unless democrats do it. Then you'll whine about it.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-25 07:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

FTA

--Consumers would pay up to 34.75% tax on their purchases, depending on potency.

Better than it remaining illegal, but still absurdly high. California is talking about reducing their tax rates because too many people prefer the black market.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 07:15 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by nullifidian

Unless democrats do it. Then you'll whine about it.

#15 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

#16 is whining? It seems like a valid criticism to me.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-25 07:19 PM | Reply

--Unless democrats do it. Then you'll whine about it.

Why would I do that? I would love for Democrats to legalize psychedelics. Hell, right now, California is one of only 3 states where you can't buy or possess magic mushroom spores.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good for Illinois.

Not intersted in making the good the enemy of the perfect.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-25 07:22 PM | Reply

California is one of only 3 states where you can't buy or possess magic mushroom spores.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian

It's awful here!

I think you should move to Texas.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-25 07:34 PM | Reply

--I think you should move to Texas.

You can buy and possess magic mushroom spores there.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 07:38 PM | Reply

Where would you rather be caught with psilocybin mushrooms, CA or TX?

LOL

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-25 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They don't even allow legal sales in Compton, California.

That has nothing to do with the State and everything to do with the particular cities, who aren't allowing sales.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter

You are right and I should have said, "Californians need to..." it is a city thing but the point is that if you make it legal everywhere then you can dry up the "black" unregulated markets.

See Bootlegging and The End of Prohibition for further details. There are still dry counties today. And you can still get liquor in a dry county. If you know the right people.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-25 07:45 PM | Reply

it is a city thing but the point is that if you make it legal everywhere then you can dry up the "black" unregulated markets.

More falsehoods .... see Nulli's post

as stated before, Cartels love decriminalization.
www.nbcnews.com

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-25 07:49 PM | Reply

The legalization of marijuana in the state of Colorado has not only been good for the local economy, but it has inadvertently helped fuel the business of Mexican drug cartels.

"If you combine the legalization of marijuana and you combine that there are no regulations for the legalization of marijuana outside Colorado, it becomes an attractive criminal enterprises," said Jorge Duque with the Colorado Department of Law.
www.thedenverchannel.com

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-25 07:51 PM | Reply

"Cartels cashing in on Colorado's pot industry"
Oh no, that's awful!

Similar headline, with about a thousand orders of magnitude greater dollar cost:
"Cartel cashing in on America's automobile usage."

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-25 07:55 PM | Reply

For all the times I got high and paranoid at the same time, I want reparations in the form of super THC shatter that I'm gonna pull through a Firefly 2 until the cows come home.
Then I'm going to walk down Illinois Avenue and sing Stay In The Light, Stay In The Light until ghosts from Merlins disco ball spin color everywhere.

#27 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-06-25 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That sounds like a lot of work compared to just hitting a vape and coding.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-25 08:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

--I want reparations

No doubt Professor Warren is working on reparations for convicted potheads as we speak.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 08:17 PM | Reply

Since we're in the giving away mood, reparations for all War on Drugs victims. History is not going to look kindly on it.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-25 08:25 PM | Reply

reparations for convicted potheads as we speak.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian

To federal victims? Why not? it was a heinous law with heinous effects on people who should never have gone to jail.

States already allow for retrials for those convicted of only possession, cultivation and manufacture of marijuana. (no other related crimes).

We call it reparative justice: repairing the harms caused by the war on drugs," says Eunisses Hernandez of the Drug Policy Alliance, a nonprofit advocacy group that helped write the California ballot initiative.

Don't you want to help people who were convicted of repealed draconian drug laws rebuild their destroyed lives?

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-25 08:30 PM | Reply

#16 is whining? It seems like a valid criticism to me.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ

#1 is whining

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-25 09:16 PM | Reply

Since we're in the giving away mood, reparations for all War on Drugs victims. History is not going to look kindly on it.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Better than tax cuts for billionaires. History will look less kindly on that.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-25 09:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Better than tax cuts for billionaires. History will look less kindly on that.

#33 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-06-25 09:18 PM

Lets see... tax cut... or culture war on minorities to stock government prisons and turn them into an industrial complex while waging a multi-national conflict that massively empowered organized crime, destabilized countries, and turned inner cities and border areas into places more violent than Iraq.

Yeah, tax cuts will definitely be seen as more evil. That's not retarded at all.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-26 08:31 AM | Reply

right on

#35 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-06-26 10:23 AM | Reply

it's not like he stopped being a stoner

It's pretty obvious from how crabby his posts are that he did.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-26 10:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lets see... tax cut... or culture war on minorities to stock government prisons and turn them into an industrial complex while waging a multi-national conflict that massively empowered organized crime, destabilized countries, and turned inner cities and border areas into places more violent than Iraq.

Yeah, tax cuts will definitely be seen as more evil. That's not retarded at all.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg

You cant read.

My post clearly said tax cuts for the rich is dumber than reparations for drug war victims. Not that tax cuts for the rich is dumber than the drug war.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-26 01:15 PM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

if you're a "cartel" and you have 10,000 of those grow houses...ain't gonna do you a bit of good. you'll still be competing with a walmart style business.
all those house have is weed. stores have oils wax shatter bud pre-rolled joints edibles rolling papers pipes, on'n on.
in 10 years bud will be like cigars or pipes...old school aficionado products.
vaporizers with oil or wax. rolling a good joint is akin now to telling time on a regular clock or math without a calculator

#38 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-26 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My post clearly said

#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-06-26 01:15 PM | REPLY

"Better than tax cuts for billionaires. History will look less kindly on that."

You said history is going to look less kindly on tax cuts, than the war for drugs. What's more laughable is people flagging it NW.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-26 02:46 PM | Reply

"Better than tax cuts for billionaires. History will look less kindly on that."

You said history is going to look less kindly on tax cuts, than the war for drugs. What's more laughable is people flagging it NW.

#39 | Posted by sitzkrieg

When confronted on your stupidity, double down, right minitrump?

YOU SAID:
"Since we're in the giving away mood, REPARATIONS for all War on Drugs victims. History is not going to look kindly on it.
#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg

TO WHICH I SAID:
"Better than tax cuts for billionaires. History will look less kindly on that."

A 4th grader would be able to diagram that sentence and conclude that I was saying reparations for drug war victims is better than tax cuts for billionaires.

But since you're the party of tax cuts for billionaires, you had try and twist your opponents words since you can't defend your position.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-26 04:00 PM | Reply

#40 Shut up Speak, you are such a drama queen. In regards to the thread, Ill should tax at 15-20% to get it passed. Most people who purchase are only going to buy say a quarter at a time and 15-16 bunks won't send them to the black market. I always get a chuckle though when I see anything about this since growing is legal here and you can have three plants. We had two last year and gave about 90% of it away and still had 10 quart jars of perfect buds and I gave half of that away. I still have 3 jars left. This aint your grandmother's weed either.

#41 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-06-26 04:30 PM | Reply

In regards to the thread, Ill should tax at 15-20% to get it passed.

So you haven't read anything? The bill already passed and was signed by the governor.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-27 12:17 AM | Reply

hhmmmm taxes are too high.... oh well... back to tax free bath salts...

At least you get clean and high... plus you get to eat other people's faces... again tax free...

#43 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-06-27 05:21 AM | Reply

When weed taxes are high you just buy it from a black kid. Hasn't Colorado taught people anything?

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-27 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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