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Tuesday, June 25, 2019

The bond market views the nations [Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador] -- especially the first two -- as stable, almost safe, investments. In some cases, they can borrow at similar rates to regional powerhouses Brazil and Mexico. It's an odd thing, almost improbable sounding. And it reveals a surprising truth about these countries: They all have rock-solid fiscal accounts. How's that possible in such destitute places?

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Bububbubut why are we cutting off aid???!!!

-The Predictable Dolts of the DR Left

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:06 PM | Reply

Deflection noted.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-24 11:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

why are we cutting off aid

2020 is approaching and short of starting a war, Trump will need some sort of crisis to distract from the Democratic primaries and keep the attention on himself.

I know you were doing your best troll shtick. But there's actually an answer to your "question".

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-24 11:09 PM | Reply


@#1 ... -The Predictable Dolts of the DR Left ...

You really should think again about why you do that to express your opinions.

It totally destroys the image you seem to try to portray that you are some manner of a lawyer with connections.

It Just Does Not Work.

imho, of course. :)


Seriously, get your ------- act together, and I'll take you far more seriously.


#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-24 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#4

I am not going to lose sleep over what you or any of the other people on this obscure little blog think of my ridicule of their basic idiocy.

FTA:

Because, it turns out, they earmark precious little money to basic social programs. Not only does this save them cash, allowing them to hold down their budget deficits, but it has the effect of encouraging the poor -- those who would benefit the most from greater outlays for healthcare or housing -- to emigrate.

This in turn has an added advantage for these nations: The migrants send growing quantities of dollars to their families back home, generating a steady flow of hard currency that is a central pillar of their economies. (For some perspective, their value is roughly 30 times greater than the aid money that a frustrated Trump pulled from the countries this week.)

When all of these elements are stitched together and viewed holistically, it can appear as if the economic model these governments have adopted is one based on exporting people.

This simple fact eviscerates the latest talking point that Trump is somehow "creating" this crisis by cutting off aid to these countries: they are practically forcing their poor to leave and where do they go? I will give you one guess...

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:15 PM | Reply

#3

And if you had bothered to read the article, you would have realized that your "answer" is pure BS that your handlers are feeding you to continue stoking your fauxrage.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:16 PM | Reply

"the economic model these governments have adopted is one based on exporting people."

Hey RightOCenter.
Do you know the economic model the United States has adopted is one based on importing people, or is this a thing you do not know?

Thanks, look forward to a productive discussion!

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-24 11:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why throw hundreds of million of dollars into a country that people want to escape from?

"They all have rock-solid fiscal accounts" - even more the reason.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-24 11:17 PM | Reply

#7

As I have said repeatedly, E-verify and punish employers who hire illegals.

Thanks for playing!

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:20 PM | Reply

"As I have said repeatedly, E-verify and punish employers who hire illegals."

That doesn't answer the question.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-24 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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@#5 ... I am not going to lose sleep over what you or any of the other people on this obscure little blog think of my ridicule of their basic idiocy. ...

I'm crushed.

You call my comments, things that I toil over, you call them idiocy.

You call my thoughts idiocy.

You wound me, sir.


#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-24 11:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"As I have said repeatedly, E-verify and punish employers who hire illegals."

Are you sure this isn't the status quo? This sounds like the status quo to me. Are you saying anything more than "stay the course?"

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-24 11:24 PM | Reply

I'm not referring to you, Lamp, unless of course you want to be included in that group.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:24 PM | Reply

This simple fact eviscerates the latest talking point

Pretty sure you don't understand what that word means.

You seem like you're back to believing, "remittance taxes are the answer!"

Pretty sure if Central and South American countries had better economies and leaders, they're citizens wouldn't need to flee.

America has been messing with these countries for decades.

Despite your "eviscerating" evidence which is the "end of all discussion." There are many factors you'd prefer to ignore in favor of your chose explanation.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-24 11:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This simple fact eviscerates the latest talking point that Trump is somehow "creating" this crisis by cutting off aid to these countries: they are practically forcing their poor to leave and where do they go?"

So aid wouldn't enable them to stay, and not get forced out?
I don't get it.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-24 11:25 PM | Reply

That doesn't answer the question.

Actually it is the ultimate answer as it is the solution to an economy that relies on illegal labor to function, which the Democrats have been feeding because of the potential of future voters and the Republicans have been turning a blind eye to because of profits for decades.

It has to stop.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

"These dictators and strongmen have solid financial resources, therefore the poor people living there can't be suffering!"

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-24 11:27 PM | Reply

"It has to stop."

What is "it?"
Illegal immigrants coming here, or the US economy that relies on immigrants both legal and illegal?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-24 11:28 PM | Reply

&nsp

@#13 ... I'm not referring to you, Lamp, ...

I replied to your message #5.

Your message #5 explicitly states it is a reply to my message #4

#4

I am not going to lose sleep over what you or any of the other people on this obscure little blog think of my ridicule of their basic idiocy.


Why do you seem to be prevaricating when the trail of your comments it just a scroll-up away?


#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-24 11:29 PM | Reply

#14

You have now convinced me that you didn't read the article, if you had you would have seen that these countries are not putting any money towards social services for the poor, hoping that they become the US' problem when they flee.

And as the article states, "The migrants send growing quantities of dollars to their families back home, generating a steady flow of hard currency that is a central pillar of their economies. (For some perspective, their value is roughly 30 times greater than the aid money that a frustrated Trump pulled from the countries this week.)"

You seem to want to raise taxes to fund, among other things, services for illegal immigrants, wouldn't a remittance tax help pay for those things, especially given the amount of money they are sending back to the countries that couldn't bother to give them these same services in the first place?

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:31 PM | Reply

#19

I was referring to the "Predictable Dolts" when I discussed "their idiocy", your opinion and that you "would take me more seriously" were a separate part of that paragraph.

Regardless, I don't lose sleep over this site in the slightest.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:34 PM | Reply

#18

All of the above.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:34 PM | Reply

#17

Strawman noted.

As the article says, corruption and graft is rampant, and most of the US Aid does not go to the poor but to the ruling elite.

How do you proposed to fix that?

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:37 PM | Reply

the US economy that relies on immigrants both legal and illegal?

#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Snoofy for Indentured Servants 2020!

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-24 11:39 PM | Reply

You seem to want to raise taxes to fund, among other things

We're offering $50 billion to Palestine. Israel gets $3-$5 billion from us.

It's not that America doesn't waste money. It's just selective on where it likes to put that money. Mostly based on the political party in charge.

Perhaps if we aided south and Central American nations build their economies, their citizens would be happy to stay where they are.

Like teaching them how to fish.

Here's two problems.

First. Their employers here in America like the cheep labor.

Second. Our economy depends on cheap labor.

I'm not sure how you're gonna fix #1. These employers are very wealthy and powerful.

As for the second. You can subsidize employees working these low wage jobs in order to entice more people to actually want to do them.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-24 11:41 PM | Reply

Israel gets $3-$5 billion from us... yearly.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-24 11:42 PM | Reply

Perhaps if we aided south and Central American nations build their economies, their citizens would be happy to stay where they are.

"As the article says, corruption and graft is rampant, and most of the US Aid does not go to the poor but to the ruling elite."

First. Their employers here in America like the cheep labor.

Too bad, " E-verify and punish employers who hire illegals."

Second. Our economy depends on cheap labor.

Once again, " E-verify and punish employers who hire illegals."

Once you do that, wages will have to rise (which unfortunately makes certain items more expensive) as the labor pool contracts. if the Government has to shift some subsidies to cover that, oh well.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:45 PM | Reply

#26

True, but that is a different discussion from a geopolitical standpoint.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:46 PM | Reply


@#21 ... I was referring to the "Predictable Dolts" when I discussed "their idiocy" ...

Maybe then it would have been better if you had been a might more specific in your decrying.

A lawyer works with and argues words, correct?

I apparently was collateral damage in your shotgun comment.

I'd expect your comments here to be a whole lot more precise in their wording. And their targets.

Jus' saying....

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-24 11:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

First. Their employers here in America like the cheep labor.
Second. Our economy depends on cheap labor.

#25 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Why enable that to continue?

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-24 11:51 PM | Reply

Sorry that I can be imprecise on a blog, or that you were offended.

That being said, you were the one to fire the first shot in #4.

Jus' saying...

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-24 11:52 PM | Reply

As the article says, corruption and graft is rampant,

We enable this to happen. We have enabled this to happen.

In order to control these nations and their resources.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-24 11:53 PM | Reply

Why enable that to continue?
#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism

So they can whine incessantly .. been doing it since the 80s.

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-24 11:55 PM | Reply

--A lawyer works with and argues words, correct?

This is a blog, not a courtroom. You clearly take this place much too seriously. Might want to take a break and get some perspective.

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-24 11:56 PM | Reply

" E-verify and punish employers who hire illegals."

While this sounds good on paper. ...

Most illegal immigrants have work visas.... ever wonder why they have been deported so many times?

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-24 11:57 PM | Reply

wages will have to rise (which unfortunately makes certain items more expensive) as the labor pool contracts.

Unfortunate for you and I. Devastating for people already unable to make ends meet.

if the Government has to shift some subsidies to cover that, oh well.

I'm sure they'll pass the tax ------- split.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-24 11:57 PM | Reply

You clearly take this place much too seriously.

Only when it suits them ,like Danforth and taxes, dude can't tell the difference between inheritance tax, and an estate tax ...

But Republican maths ...

#37 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-24 11:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So aid wouldn't enable them to stay, and not get forced out?

No ... I give you three guesses...

I don't get it. ~ Snoofy

Nevermind ...

#38 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-24 11:59 PM | Reply


@#31 ... That being said, you were the one to fire the first shot in #4. ...

So you admit that you have difficulty with a rationale critique of your comment.

That is quite interesting, in and of itself.

:)


#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-25 12:01 AM | Reply

Devastating for people already unable to make ends meet.
#36 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Then why flood overburdened cities already struggling with homelessness, unaffordable housing, and income inequality?

Why do you support the Home Depot parking lot job program?

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-25 12:03 AM | Reply


@#35 ... Most illegal immigrants have work visas.

To that point...

"Most illegals" come into this Country with valid visa and overstay their visas.

So why should we authorize Pres Trump's wet dream of spending billions to build a wall that will not stop the entrance of "most illegals" into this Country?

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-25 12:08 AM | Reply

#39

It wasn't really a rational critique, especially when you told me to "get your ------- act together, and I'll take you far more seriously."

Once again, I don't include you in that "august" group, but if you keep it up...

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-25 12:09 AM | Reply

#41

"Most illegals" based on that definition aren't causing the "migrant" crisis at our borders, are they.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-25 12:11 AM | Reply

Why do you support the Home Depot parking lot job program?
#40 | POSTED BY SHERP

Because they will eventually destroy the known universe and I'm happy to help them.

Why do you support the child imprisonment program?

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-25 12:11 AM | Reply

So why should we authorize Pres Trump's wet dream of spending billions to build a wall that will not stop the entrance of "most illegals" into this Country?

Lamp, did you read your article before posting it? If primarily discusses that these Central American nations are deliberately causing their poor to flee over our unprotected southern border to claim asylum so that they can stay in the US and send money back to support their economies. If you somehow read into that discussion that our current border problems have anything to do with visa overstays, you got a far different take away than I did.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-25 12:15 AM | Reply


One of the "take aways" I read in this article is more of a strategic thing than a tactical thing.

Here we have countries which have a brutal income inequality.

The wealthy seem to be able to keep the financial aspects in control and good.

But the workers of the country are suffering.

Greatly.

To the point where they risk the journey to United States to build their future.

I look at this income inequality and I look at the burgeoning income inequality of the Untied States.

And I ask myself, is this our future?

That is why i posted this article.

#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-25 12:15 AM | Reply


@#45 ... did you read your article before posting it? ...

Of course I did.

An article can have multiple aspects to it. In the comment you replied to, I was looking at tactics.

But the reason I posted the article was more strategic, as I have explained a minute ago.

#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-25 12:18 AM | Reply

#46

Fair enough. That being said, if people want us to stop being the World's Policeman, why should we be responsible to be the World's Repairman?

Clown is not wrong, for mostly anti-communist reasons we massively ------ with Central and South America over the past 70 years and bear a not insignificant amount of responsibility for that. However, as you note, we have enough problems without having to solve everyone elses.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-25 12:20 AM | Reply


@#48 ... if people want us to stop being ...

Larger issue than this thread.

#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-25 12:25 AM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Translation: "I'm unable to discuss the subject matter rationally."

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-25 12:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#42 ... It wasn't really a rational critique, especially when you told me to "get your ------- act together, and I'll take you far more seriously." ...

Sometimes i think I have to get a bit more vocal to make you sit up and pay attention.

It obviously worked.

No offense intended.

But i gotta say, sometimes your comments lack thought. You really need to work on that.

Jus' saying. :)

(see, there's a smiley there...)


#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-25 12:33 AM | Reply

Most illegal immigrants have work visas.... ever wonder why they have been deported so many times?

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Wrong again.

"Notice, however, that there is no category for tourists (B-1 visa holders) or undocumented immigrants. USCIS will not grant these people permission to work in the United States, and indeed for them to do so (or for employers to hire them) is illegal."

www.alllaw.com

#52 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-25 12:46 AM | Reply

Where the hell do you continue to get such blatantly wrong information from, Mackerel?

HINT: Stop getting your 'facts' there.

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-25 12:47 AM | Reply

What is "it?"
Illegal immigrants coming here, or the US economy that relies on immigrants both legal and illegal?
#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

All of the above.
#22 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

^
How do you plan to stop American companies from recruiting top talent globally?
But more importantly, why do you want to stop American companies from recruiting top talent globally?
What does America gain by their loss, for it will surely be a a loss.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-25 12:54 AM | Reply

"2020 is approaching and short of starting a war, Trump will need some sort of crisis to distract from the Democratic primaries
#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Exactly the opposite. Trump wants to shine a light on the race to the Left. The positions the Dems will take, free stuff, open borders, reparations, abortion on demand, abolish ICE, etc may be popular amongst the Dems, but they are not supported by the US at large, which is why the Dems lie about their positions endlessly. Trump needs to get the Dems on the record supporting this craziness.

#55 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-25 01:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#55 ... The positions the Dems will take, free stuff, open borders, reparations, abortion on demand, abolish ICE, etc may be popular amongst the Dems, but they are not supported by the US at large ... >/i>

So... the sheep alias has been totally discredited on this august forum, so you are now assigned to fill in for it?


Wow.


#56 | Posted by lamplighter at 2019-06-25 01:44 AM | Reply

the sheep alias has been totally discredited on this august forum, so you are now assigned to fill in for it?

There's a theory they're one and the same person.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-25 02:03 AM | Reply

The positions the Dems will take ... may be popular amongst the Dems, but they are not supported by the US at large,

Except Democrats comprise the US at large.

What's sad is, if it weren't for special rules to give Republicans more representation, they wouldn't win a national election, ever again.

But. Thanks for sharing your insane post with us.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-25 02:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Translation: "I'm unable to discuss the subject matter rationally."
#50 | POSTED BY SHERP

You haven't partaken in rational discussion since Bernie lost the 2016 democratic primary.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-25 02:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Except Democrats comprise the US at large.
#58 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK "

Percentage of the country that is Democrat is roughly 31% with the majority of the country being Independent. There is a reason why these people are independent and not Democrat - it is because they disagree with the Democrat agenda and constant lies about their policy positions.

#60 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-25 06:24 AM | Reply

"Only when it suits them ,like Danforth and taxes, dude can't tell the difference between inheritance tax, and an estate tax ... "

Mackris clearly can't tell the difference between truth and a bald-faced lie.

But prove me wrong, you lying sack of ----. Post where I confused the two.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-25 10:09 AM | Reply

"This is a blog, not a courtroom."

All the more reason words are important.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-25 10:10 AM | Reply

"This is a blog, not a courtroom."

All the more reason words are important.

#62 | Posted by Danforth

It's more important to be precise on the mighty Retort? lol. What a crackpot.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 10:35 AM | Reply

"It's more important to be precise on the mighty Retort? lol. "

No, --------: it's more important to be precise with words when words are all you have.

Did you have a stroke?

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-25 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--No, --------:

Looks like DNC Dan is losing his composure. He really needs to take a break to gain some earthly perspective

#65 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-25 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Did you have a stroke?"

#65

I'll take that as a yes.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-25 11:23 AM | Reply

All the more reason words are important.
#62 | Posted by Danforth

Says the guy that argues estate tax is the same as an inheritance tax.

And you say you are a tax accountant, where? H&R Block?

#67 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-25 11:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"Says the guy that argues estate tax is the same as an inheritance tax."

Not me; the IRS
www.irs.gov

And my apologies: for a moment, I thought you might know what you were talking about.

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-25 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And you say you are a tax accountant, where?"

I've never claimed to be an accountant. I'm a tax and financial advisor. But not surprise, you stating I said something I didn't.

"H&R Block?"

Ha! I get more business from those mooks than I can handle.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-25 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sounds like a call to nation build in those countries so their people will stop emigrating! Or so they can't emigrate. Or something.

#70 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-25 02:55 PM | Reply

"which is why the Dems lie about their positions endlessly once"

So what is Trumpy's excuse for his 10,000 (going on 11,000) Lies?

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-25 03:53 PM | Reply

The answer is easy, those countries have puppet governments, compliant to US demands, which siphons profits to American companies. Countries which insist on independence become US targets for invasion or economic siege. Trading in Euros alone is grounds for these attacks.

#72 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-26 07:53 AM | Reply

"H&R Block?"
Ha! I get more business from those mooks than I can handle.

#69 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-06-25 12:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I saw one tax return those experts did where the balance sheet was out of balance by $300,000.

Mooks is right.

#73 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-06-26 09:07 AM | Reply

Actually it is the ultimate answer as it is the solution to an economy that relies on illegal labor to function, which the Democrats have been feeding because of the potential of future voters and the Republicans have been turning a blind eye to because of profits for decades.
It has to stop.

#16 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You're right. E-Verify, tough criminal laws for hiring illegal workers, ICE heading after employers first and foremost, and a fast pathway to citizenship.

Face it: We NEED the workers.

Being here isn't the issue. Being illegal and not background checked is.

Don't worry though! With Republicans in charge, nothing will change and you can continue complaining about this issue for years. Trump will continue to hire foreigners, including illegals, and Republican voters will continue to support people like him.

#74 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-06-26 12:32 PM | Reply

--and a fast pathway to citizenship.

Translation: A fast path to millions of more Democrat voters.

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-26 12:38 PM | Reply

Translation: A fast path to millions of more Democrat voters.
#75 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN"

Why not a fast path to Republican voters?
Do Republicans not want brown voters?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-26 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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