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US suicide rates are the highest they've been since World War II, federal health officials said Thursday, with the rise particularly acute among indigenous women.

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"The increase was seen in both men and women, and among all races and ethnicities. Still, the uptick was not equally sharp for all groups -- it was felt at a disproportionate rate by Native Americans and Alaska Natives, and particularly women in these communities.

For indigenous women, the suicide rate increased by 139%. For men in the same group, it went up 71%. The high rates for this group have been particularly felt by young people, with the vast majority of suicides affecting those ages 15 to 44.

Among the 45 to 65 age group, the rate was highest among white people for both men and women."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-20 01:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump supporters mock those who die deaths of desperation.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 01:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Headline is shameless trolling.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-20 01:53 AM | Reply

So... PoS losers decide to kill themselves?

Instead of sticking together and doing something about this DOTARD, they decide to take THEMSELVES out of the equation? LOL

Is this logical???

No wonder USA is going downhill... it deserves a dozen DOTARDs.

Thank Allah for Communism. We would NEVER take ourselves out of the equation just because someone with a loud bark starts barking.

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 01:54 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain, Is that why your brothers strap explosive vests on to detonate in a crowd of infidels? Idleness, lack of purpose, and a lack of association has more to do with suicide than economics or Trump. I'll point out that the suicide rate were much lower during the great depression and World War Two.

#5 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-20 10:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

So that makes Timothy McVeigh YOUR brother??? LOL

We all know what's wrong with YOU, dude.

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aaaaaand...

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Right now you are not human. More of an animal really.

#6 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 11:17 AM | Reply

If ALL Muslims of ALL kinds ... even murderers.. are brothers then by that logic ALL infidels/Christians must be brothers too!

What say you, Animal?

#7 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 11:20 AM | Reply

"Trump supporters mock those who die deaths of desperation.

The beatings will continue until morale improves."

This is EXACTLY why people are committing suicide. Who wants to live in a world where there are millions of people who just want to spread hate every chance they get just because people have different opinions. You can throw all the blame somewhere else but, in the end, you are still the problem.

"Thank Allah for Communism. We would NEVER take ourselves out of the equation just because someone with a loud bark starts barking."

Haha. ahahahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! Man, that was awesome. Haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

#8 | Posted by humtake at 2019-06-20 11:44 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain

So now you are an Islamic Communist Pakistani American? You realize all the confliction in that don't you? No wonder you can't understand suicide. Your various identities are so busy squabbling among themselves there is not time for that thought.

#9 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-06-20 11:46 AM | Reply

#6 | Posted by J_Tremain

You are confused...

McVeigh did that with a couple other nut bags - all on his their own and DID NOT commit suicide.

On the other hand all your Islamic brothers and sisters with those explosive vests aren't the idea of the bombers. It's because someone else had the idea and said do this for the cause and that other someone keeps on living...

#10 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-06-20 11:50 AM | Reply

Man, that was awesome. Haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

Glad to have helped.

you are an Islamic Communist Pakistani American

Yessir.

You realize all the confliction in that don't you?

Not at all.

Most people think Islam and Communism don't get along... but that is not true if you are a HANFI-Muslim. It originated in Russia and it defaults to ... not communism... but a kinda-communism.

It explains why Pakistan was nearly communist (in spirit) until a decade or two ago (80% HANFi Islam).

As for America and Communism being opposite to each other.... why? What law sez that has to be?

No wonder you can't understand suicide.

Sorry dude. Suicide is against my religion.

#11 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 11:54 AM | Reply

all your Islamic brothers and sisters with those explosive vests

If they are MY brother and sisters, then worms like McVeigh are YOUR brothers.

And all those who shoot up people in America every other week.

If ALL Muslims are "brothers" then ALL Infidels/Christians are "bothers".

No wiggle room there buddy.

#12 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 11:57 AM | Reply

you can't understand suicide

So you understand suicide?

Meaning, under certain conditions, you would be willing to off yourself? LOL

What kind of a moron am I talking to????

#13 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 12:00 PM | Reply

"Trump supporters mock those who die deaths of desperation."

Absolutely NOT true.

#14 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-06-20 12:11 PM | Reply

#11 | Posted by J_Tremain

lol No laws. I take you mean what I know as the Hanafi Islam Fiqh (حنفي or should I say حنفی). At least that's how it is typically spelled in English. And Hanafi has been around a VERY long time, originated in Iraq centuries ago and has nothing to do with Communism at all. And yes Pakistan is dominated by it. I mean please correct me if I am wrong or if you just misspoke... Russian Communism did not allow for Religion at all. Good communists don't believe in God.

American and Pakistani are in conflict just like Communism and any religion are in conflict. Pakistan was more or less

#15 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-06-20 12:20 PM | Reply

What I was going to say is

Pakistan was more or less simply a sharia state. It wasn't near communist at all. I mean when the Military controlled the country it was kind of like communist countries end up - a dictatorship. But not communist like any more than Portugal was communist like under Salazar.

#16 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-06-20 12:26 PM | Reply

Hanafi has been around a VERY long time, originated in Iraq centuries ago

By a man who was Persian/Central Asian....

has nothing to do with Communism

I always said, "kinda communist". I never said "Marxist".

I believe our kind of communism was invented way before Marx came along. We believe in sharing most things, most of all knowledge.

There is also the fact that most Hanfi Islam happens to be from former Communist countries. So I believe some Marxism got mixed in there too.

See this map. You think THIS is a coincidence???

en.wikipedia.org

But not communist like any more than

Oh man.... you don't know nothing.

It was never OFFICIALLY communist. But it was "communist enough" to ruin our economy.

As I said "communist in spirit".

Private Enterprise become a dirty word. It's only changing now.

WHY ON EARTH do you think China is Paksitan's BFF??? LOL

#17 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 12:58 PM | Reply

I mean please correct me if I am wrong

Doing it right now....

Russian Communism did not allow for Religion at all.

Correct.

And it should not have been that way.

Good communists don't believe in God.

THAT is Marxism. I am NOT Marxist or Stalinist or even Maoist.

Pakistan's "national poet".. the guy who first came up with the idea, was an Islamic communist. He blended gawd and communist philosophy together very well. Jinnah, the guy who created Pakistan, was against American style capitalism. LOL

American and Pakistani are in conflict

Unnn WHAT?

America and Iran are in conflict... or about to be. LOL

#18 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 01:11 PM | Reply

Anyway... this thread is about people getting suicidal because of DOTARD.

That's a shame.

They are giving the power of life or death to the DOTARD.

#19 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-20 01:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Maybe I missed something in the article?

how did you link this to the dotard?

I did not see the "dotard" even mentioned once in the article.

So this thread is NOT about "people getting suicidal because of DOTARD"

It is about the increase in U.S. Suicide rates. Particularly among Native American And White Women.

And do you REALLY think that Native American And White Women are killing themselves because of the DOTARD?

Seriously? Grow up.

The problem is much deeper than any one individual. Even Individual-1.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-20 03:33 PM | Reply

So that makes Timothy McVeigh YOUR brother??? LOL

#6 | Posted by J_Tremain

You are clueless how he died.

#21 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-06-20 04:10 PM | Reply

"So this thread is NOT about "people getting suicidal because of DOTARD"
It is about the increase in U.S. Suicide rates. Particularly among Native American And White Women.
And do you REALLY think that Native American And White Women are killing themselves because of the DOTARD?
Seriously? Grow up."

You don't think women who are sexual assault victims might get even more desperate and depressed when their nation elects a President who likes to "grab 'em by the -----" and allegedly raped Ivanka's mother?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 06:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The problem is much deeper than any one individual. Even Individual-1."

Is a nation of 300+ million that elects Trump and then cheers because it trolls libs deeper than any one individual?

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 06:22 PM | Reply

About 45,000 people die every year in the USA by suicide, and suicide is the 10th leading cause of death. Overall, the total suicide rate increased from 10.5 to 13.4 per 100,000 people, a 28% rise, in a 17-year period between 1999 and 2016.

This fact trivializes 9-11, which has set our governments priorities for almost 20 years. One more example of how manipulative politicking always trumps setting priorities based on facts and risks and acting rationally to protect its citizens.

#24 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-20 10:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

Good post. So far, we've failed in the area of mental health.

Homelessness and addiction have skyrocketed, and we have 20+ years of war creating PTSD.

We're heading in the wrong direction on so many levels. And yet 9-11 is hallowed ground.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-20 10:35 PM | Reply

So this thread is NOT about "people getting suicidal because of DOTARD"

It is about the increase in U.S. Suicide rates. Particularly among Native American And White Women.

And do you REALLY think that Native American And White Women are killing themselves because of the DOTARD?

There is a thing called "depression".

DOATARD likes giving people DEPRESSION.

It's what he does... he be like a DEPRESSION FLU MACHINE.

FATSO... if you ain't depressed today, you will sure be depressed tomorrow.

Just promise us one thing... before you throw yourself out the window, call me first. Maybe... just MAYBE... I can talk you out of it.

It's what I do. I can talk you out of doing stupid things. It's my superpower.

#26 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-21 01:44 AM | Reply

The highest suicide rate of increase is native American women whose endure abuse and rape with little or no accountability. Next up native American men suffering from lack of opportunity and alcoholism and drug abuse. white men for the same reasons as native men and returning veterans. This problem barely exists in the black community.

#27 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-21 09:56 AM | Reply

#27 | Posted by bayviking As a friend of mine once said, It is hard to kill yourself jumping out of a basement window. Black people have other means of self destruction. Why else would they join a gang that basically guarantees them getting shot and killed slinging dope or ending up in prison?

#28 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-21 02:42 PM | Reply

Two questions:

What was the breakdown by political affiliation since this matters two both sides - one will happy one will be sad.
Did the numbers go up every year before Trump or only during his years?

#29 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-06-21 03:09 PM | Reply

This is EXACTLY why people are committing suicide. Who wants to live in a world where there are millions of people who just want to spread hate every chance they get just because people have different opinions. You can throw all the blame somewhere else but, in the end, you are still the problem.

LOL what a jamoke.

It's the economy, stupid.

Despite all the numbers being rosy and Trump crowing about how awesome his economy is, it's still the same hollow shell it's been for 30 years or more.

Economic success and mobility have stagnated for the vast majority of people. Financial stress is a leading cause of anxiety, divorce and suicide.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-21 04:07 PM | Reply

#30 | Posted by jpw

Did you catch Trump awarding Laffer (of the Laffer Curve) the Presidential Medal of Freedom?

Should be called the "Laughter Curve" because lowering taxes does not boost the economy ... except for the already wealthy.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-21 04:36 PM | Reply

docnjo is revealing his inner feelings and why Trump inspires him. Black people have more trouble finding a job because they are poorly educated and talk differently. Depending on what State you live in, in this country, that is often by design. Almost everyone that use illegal drugs sell drugs, if only to their friends. I did that without ever ending up in prison. Most blacks aren't so lucky and do hard time for the same thing, making it ever harder to ever find a real job which can pay for rent, food, a car and health insurance. Yet they still must survive.

#32 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-21 06:31 PM | Reply

"Why else would they join a gang that basically guarantees them getting shot and killed slinging dope or ending up in prison?"

Lack of better options.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 06:35 PM | Reply

Lack of better options.
#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Precisely the kind of negative BS that feeds the self-deprecating oppression.
Vocational training, trade schools, apprenticeships, entry-level positions are all available options.

Don't tell me big democratic cities with jobs programs just ride through the hood with a bullhorn shouting, "there are no better options".

You're an idiot.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 06:42 PM | Reply

"Lack of better options.
#33 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Precisely the kind of negative BS that feeds the self-deprecating oppression.
Vocational training, trade schools, apprenticeships, entry-level positions are all available options."

Oh I see.
With all these opportunities they don't take advantage of, the simplest, most sensible explanation is that blacks are lazy!
I'll also accept Docnjo's answer, but I don't expect it will be any different than yours.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 06:47 PM | Reply

I had one of my kids join a gang, Gangster's Disciples, IE "The Folk". She got her first felony bust at 16, her second at 19 and was put into a mental hospital at 25. She had more opportunities and care than her sisters or brother. You can tell me why some crap away their lives, I can't. It never made any logic to me. After loosing custody of her kids, she seems to made a serious effort to get her life on track. Stays on her meds, stays away from the Folk. Still it was like watching the little girl you knew sense she was 3 die every day.
#33 | Posted by snoofy You are a knee jerk apologist. They say you develop character from pain. Well, here is to your future character development. May it come quickly and fully.

#36 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-21 07:09 PM | Reply

Where's all that Dem money going if not to inner city jobs programs? 'cause here you are claiming "lack of better options".

How can there be no other options if dems are in control of the inner cities and have been working for 40 years to end the cycle of poverty and underemployment?

What gives, Snoofy?

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 07:12 PM | Reply

Where's all that Dem money going if not to inner city jobs programs? 'cause here you are claiming "lack of better options".

How can there be no other options if dems are in control of the inner cities and have been working for 40 years to end the cycle of poverty and underemployment?

What gives, Snoofy?

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yeah that's it sheep4trump. Let's get to the bottom of that "dem money" instead of looking at the republicans' massive military budget and tax cuts for the rich like a real progressive would.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-21 07:14 PM | Reply

Two questions:

What was the breakdown by political affiliation since this matters two both sides - one will happy one will be sad.
Did the numbers go up every year before Trump or only during his years?

#29 | Posted by Petrous

is your brain really so simple that the president determines your mood for 4 years at a time?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-21 07:16 PM | Reply

The plutocrats have turned america into a winner-take-all country, where it's awesome to be rich, and terrible to be poor. It's an extremely high stakes economy where the slightest twist of fate can knock your entire life off track.

So people are stressed and traumatized, which leads to addiction, suicide, strangers being hostile to each other, and everyone blaming people who dont look like themselves.

Want to fix suicide and addiction and make americans nicer to each other? Make the economy work for the average american.

Want to make the economy work for the average american? Fix election funding or stop voting for candidates who take bribe money from the elites.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-21 07:20 PM | Reply

--is your brain really so simple that the president determines your mood for 4 years at a time?

The original headline was something like "Trump era suicides skyrocket..." so you ask Corky that.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-21 07:22 PM | Reply

"How can there be no other options if dems are in control of the inner cities and have been working for 40 years to end the cycle of poverty and underemployment?
What gives, Snoofy?
#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism"

Easy. The GOP, which controls most states and most of the Federal government for 40 years, is perpetuating the inner city cycle of poverty and unemployment, with things like "Right To Work," and not expanding Medicaid.

Majority rules!

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Easy. The GOP

That doesn't explain LA, Chicago, Detroit, or NYC. "lack of better options" is lame, lazy, and dishonest.

As usual, you're full of it. However, feel free to prove me wrong.

Link to inner-city urban studies that show better options are not available because GOP.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 08:50 PM | Reply

"How can there be no other options if dems are in control of the inner cities and have been working for 40 years to end the cycle of poverty and underemployment?
What gives, Snoofy?
#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism

So let's see - you're apparently so stupid that you think a liberal mayor of a city should be able to erase all the oppression and obstacles created by a national economy designed to serve only the rich.

And then, like every fox news watching moron, you list cities you think are liberal as examples that liberals are bad.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-21 09:17 PM | Reply

#44 Feel free to link to any inner-city urban studies that show better options are not available because GOP.

Also, where did all the money go for urban betterment programs, education, jobs programs, job skill training. etc?

It's been going on since the 70's, and according to Snoofy there's "lack of better options".

The rest is just you flapping your gums, from high up on the hills looking down on the problem.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 09:25 PM | Reply

"Also, where did all the money go for urban betterment programs, education, jobs programs, job skill training. etc?"

Nothing like a die hard "progressive" whining about the few examples of progressive policies this nation actually attempts.

#46 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-21 09:35 PM | Reply

So you have no issues with incompetent democrats? - shocking.

Keep voting for them Speakdummy. You deserve the blighted cities.

after all, they're 'not Trump'.

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 09:50 PM | Reply

"How can there be no other options if dems are in control"

Anyone else notice how SheepleSchism moved the goalposts from "lack of better options" to "no other options?"

I just noticed it myself.

He's a crafty little snake in the grass!

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 10:57 PM | Reply

Anyone notice how Snoofy changes the subject?

#44 Feel free to link to any inner-city urban studies that show better options are not available because GOP.

#49 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#49 Feel free to link to any inner-city urban studies that show better options are available because GOP.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 11:34 PM | Reply

#50 It's your claim:

Easy. The GOP
#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Back it up. No major cities are run by conservatives. Why is there still a "lack of better options"?

#44 Feel free to link to any inner-city urban studies that show better options are not available because GOP.

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 11:50 PM | Reply

"No major cities are run by conservatives."

Not relevant.

Also, not a link to any inner-city urban studies that show better options are available because GOP.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 11:51 PM | Reply

The Snoofy Lazy Susan. - "This is not about me" - as expected.

1) Snoofy makes a claim
2) Claim challenged
3) Snoofy turns claim around

Fail. (it would work on Donner)

*and dumb-as-a-rock SpeakDude*

You're dismissed.

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-22 12:27 AM | Reply

#53 is a very roundabout way to let us know you still haven't found a link to any inner-city urban studies that show better options are available because GOP.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-22 12:32 AM | Reply

In a roundabout way, you still can't back up your claim.

#55 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-22 12:40 AM | Reply

So let's see - you're apparently so stupid that you think a liberal mayor of a city should be able to erase all the oppression and obstacles created by a national economy designed to serve only the rich.

would an obstacle be high price of low income housing?

Would an obstacle be an increase in low wage labor?

Would an obstacle be an increase in unskilled low wage labor?

Would an obstacle attracting more unskilled illegal immigrant labor due to sanctuary policies?

Liberal Mayors have brought the problems the have on themselves. Blaming national "economy" the problem is hilarious, the economy is doing great, homelessness is on the rise, price of housing is rising, and Liberal cities attract more unskilled illegal immigrants in already struggling areas.

#56 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-22 12:45 AM | Reply

would an obstacle be high price of low income housing?
High price of housing is a feature of national economy designed to serve only the rich.

Would an obstacle be an increase in low wage labor?
increase in low wage labor is a feature of national economy designed to serve only the rich.

Would an obstacle be an increase in unskilled low wage labor?
increase in unskilled low wage labor is a feature of national economy designed to serve only the rich

Would an obstacle attracting more unskilled illegal immigrant labor due to sanctuary policies?
Maybe, if it actually attracted unskilled illegal labor, but it doesn't do that. The illegal immigrant population has declined over the past six years or so.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-22 01:01 AM | Reply

How can there be no other options if dems are in control of the inner cities and have been working for 40 years to end the cycle of poverty and underemployment?

In this country Republicans and Bluedog Democrats have successfully sabotaged every progressive program ever created.

#58 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-22 09:39 AM | Reply

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