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Wednesday, June 19, 2019

Public mistrust of vaccines means the world is taking a step backwards in the fight against deadly yet preventable infectious diseases, warn experts.

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No prob. We can vaccinate for that.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-06-19 04:04 AM | Reply

I guess we need to see a few of those diseases that we have vaccines for to remind people why they are a good idea.

#2 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-19 06:10 AM | Reply

Darwin smiles!!!!

#3 | Posted by zelkova at 2019-06-19 02:43 PM | Reply

From a cold as ice perspective this might be good for those of us who aren't idiots.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2019-06-19 03:06 PM | Reply

Whatever. Dont vaccinate.

The liberals have been whining there are too many humans anyway. I'll be vaccinated and survive. Go ahead, dont vaccinate and die from the flue.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 03:07 PM | Reply

The liberals have been whining there are too many humans anyway. I'll be vaccinated and survive. Go ahead, dont vaccinate and die from the flue [sic]
#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Thanos was only half-right.

#6 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-06-19 06:11 PM | Reply

Go ahead, dont vaccinate and die from the flue.

#5 | Posted by boaz

If you are a chimney sweep you can die from the "flue". But, the measles doesn't give you the "flue".

But, maybe you meant "flew"?

As in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.

Because you are insane. You Goppers are the ones who allowed this craze of being ignorant to become fashionable.

Hope you are proud of your creation.

What you do not know can kill you.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-19 06:55 PM | Reply

There is no way in hell I believe medical practitioners of any flavor or stripe, particularly when there are foreign substances and unquantifiable numbers of innoculants involved in even a single "vaccination".

Trust is earned, the medical community still does not use proper methods of containment, let alone mitigate risks to bodies with simpler, safer and far older technologies.

Keep pimping your isotopes, compounds and vaccines as cures. You deserve every red penny.

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-19 08:01 PM | Reply

No vaccine can improve on your body's natural defenses.

Everything Big Pharma produces is poisonous. Everything!

Vaccines are another scam. They break down your immune defenses.

#9 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 08:25 PM | Reply

LOL ok who created this ray account for the laughs?

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2019-06-19 08:43 PM | Reply

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"Vaccines are another scam. They break down your immune defenses.
#9 | POSTED BY RAY"

Damn you, Ben Franklin!

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 08:46 PM | Reply

LOL ok who created this ray account for the laughs?

Once the rest of the old timers gush about him showing up, ask how he's been, etc. he'll go away.

Oh, and ask about gold.

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-06-19 08:47 PM | Reply

All I get is empty headed comments.

You libs know nothing about how diet and exercise affect your immune system.

You're gullible.

#13 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 08:54 PM | Reply

"All I get is empty headed comments."

As ye sow, so shall ye reap much?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 08:56 PM | Reply

He sets his own bones as well.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-06-19 08:57 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by Ray, For God's sake man, read a real book. I have filled a immunization book, completely, I have had shots for diseases unseen in this country for decades. Nothing is wrong with my immune system, how could adding antibodies for a disease decrease your immunity? One real problem with getting as many shots as I have had, you tend to acquire allergies.

#16 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-19 08:59 PM | Reply

"Once the rest of the old timers gush about him showing up, ask how he's been, etc. he'll go away.

Oh, and ask about gold."

Damn I might actually remember him being mentioned before.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2019-06-19 09:09 PM | Reply

I had beyond what you are used to seeing. bubonic plague, anthrax, rabies,2 hemorrhagic fevers, yellow fever, dengue-(break bone fever) and a few other diseases I have never heard of. (I had several deployments).

#18 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-19 09:11 PM | Reply

For God's sake man, read a real book.
#16 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

I've read many books on the subject. Just not the ones you read.

Americans are notoriously deficient in Vitamin C, Vitamin D and iodine.
They are far more powerful than vaccines could possibly be.
There is no money in them. So Big Pharma ignores them.

how could adding antibodies for a disease decrease your immunity?

They bypass your body's natural defenses with foreign matter. They're toxic.
The nervous system is especially vulnerable.

#19 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 09:15 PM | Reply

Ray,

Polio was eradicated due to vaccination. That is undeniable.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 09:17 PM | Reply

As ye sow, so shall ye reap much?
#14 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

This is a leftist website. I've known that for years.

#21 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 09:17 PM | Reply

"...Vitamin C, Vitamin D and iodine.... are far more powerful than vaccines could possibly be."

Go peddle your medical malpractice somewhere else. Lying about the efficacy of vaccines puts people's health at risk.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:19 PM | Reply

Ever been bit by an animal frothing at the mouth?

americanhistory.si.edu

#23 | Posted by Tor at 2019-06-19 09:21 PM | Reply

"Polio was eradicated due to vaccination."

Don't confuse the DR's resident Suzanne Sommers with facts.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:21 PM | Reply

Polio was eradicated due to vaccination. That is undeniable.
#20 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Yeh and smallpox too.

It's all --------! Even the bubonic plague faded away before vaccines existed.

Diseases run in cycles. Big Pharma took advantage of it.

#25 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 09:23 PM | Reply

bubonic plague, anthrax, rabies,2 hemorrhagic fevers, -DOCNJO
I was going to ask about bubonic and anthrax before you mentioned them. Common vaccines to get before deployments.. I've heard the anthrax ones have lingering effects.

#26 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-19 09:25 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Still the same old stupid and nasty Danforth.

I gave you facts to investigate on your own. But you rather attack me instead.

#27 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 09:26 PM | Reply

"I've read many books on the subject."

Which means absolutely nothing.

I could read a lot of books about the unconstitutional nature of income taxes; that doesn't suddenly mean income taxes are illegal, and don't have to be paid.

Stop with the medical malarkey, you stupid old codger.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:26 PM | Reply

Diseases run in cycles. Big Pharma took advantage of it.
#25 | POSTED BY RAY

They do until they don't .... the amplitude is what I worry about, not the cycles themselves

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-19 09:26 PM | Reply

"I gave you facts to investigate on your own."

Not facts; -------- written by idiots who believe you're just as dumb as they are.

Your stupidity is dangerous.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:28 PM | Reply

#28 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Hell, from what I recall you do taxes; and don't know the difference between inheritance tax,and estate tax.

So I am going with your argument on anything, isn't what it could be you stupid old codger.

#31 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-19 09:29 PM | Reply

"you rather attack me instead."

Make no mistake: I'm not attacking YOU; I'm attacking dangerous stupidity. If those are one and the same, the problem is in your mirror.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:29 PM | Reply

Low trust in vaccines is our own fault.

1. We used a vaccination program as a cover for CIA activity abroad.

2. Our election funding system makes government do whatever corporations want. Therefore people can't know if government is saying vaccines are important because they really are important, or if they're saying it because their donors want them to say that so they can profit from selling vaccines.

Government funded by bribery means no one trusts the government, for good reason.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-19 09:32 PM | Reply

"You do taxes; and don't know the difference between inheritance tax, and estate tax."

Oh look, our resident liar is immediately reduced to lying about me.

Since I'm quite familiar with both, why are you resorting to a lie? Is that all you have left, already???

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:33 PM | Reply

"So I am going with your argument on anything, isn't what it could be you stupid old codger."

I'm sure that made more sense in its original Russian.

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:35 PM | Reply

Make no mistake: I'm not attacking YOU; I'm attacking dangerous stupidity. If those are one and the same, the problem is in your mirror.

#32 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You have it backwards. You're too stupid to see your own stupidity.

Big Pharma makes money on keeping people chronically sick. They can't make money on healthy people.

#36 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 09:38 PM | Reply

You have it backwards. You're too stupid to see your own stupidity.
Big Pharma makes money on keeping people chronically sick. They can't make money on healthy people.

POSTED BY RAY AT 2019-06-19 09:38 PM | REPLY

You're sure a Ray of sunshine.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-19 09:46 PM | Reply

"You're too stupid to see your own stupidity."

Says the guy who believes sunshine is stronger than a vaccine.

I've served on health committees since the late 80s. But I get it: you've read some books by quacks who know some idiots will believe ANYTHING.

Aren't you the guy who predicted Dow 1400, only to be off by about 1000 percent?? And how many times have you predicted economic collapse? You've probably changed the date on you "The End Is Near!" sign a thousand times already.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Big Pharma makes money on keeping people chronically sick. They can't make money on healthy people.

#36 | POSTED BY RAY

They also cater to addicts.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-19 09:46 PM | Reply

"Big Pharma makes money on keeping people chronically sick. They can't make money on healthy people."

Thanks, Capitalism!

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 09:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They also cater to addicts.
#39 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Yes they do. Many prescription drugs have to be take for life. Withdrawing from then is dangerous.

Thanks, Capitalism!

#40 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Capitalism is a system of accounting. Has nothing to do with moral behavior.
You're confusing it with corporatism. Big Pharma and Big Government working together.

#41 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 09:55 PM | Reply

"Capitalism is a system of accounting."

Humpty Dumpty strikes again.

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 09:57 PM | Reply

I've served on health committees since the late 80s. But I get it: you've read some books by quacks who know some idiots will believe ANYTHING.
#38 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

My dear. I mention Vitamin C, Vitamin D and iodine, and you go nuts.

Your self-enforced ignorance is deep. Awesome!

#43 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 09:59 PM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Which tells me you don't know the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

Why am I not surprised.

#44 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 10:07 PM | Reply

"Capitalism is a system of accounting."

And the Internet is a series of tubes.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 10:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I mention Vitamin C, Vitamin D and iodine, and you go nuts."

You're lying. You pretended Vitamin C, et al, are better than a vaccine.

Telling, you already have to lie about your statement, you stupid old codger.

What are you, 85? I get you don't give a ---- about yourself, but your lies and ignorance are dangerous. Some idiot reading this thread might actually believe your bullschitt.

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 10:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you don't know the difference between capitalism and corporatism."

I know it's not in the accounting.

But I get it; you're so old, you make up whatever definition you can remember, even if it's to a different word.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 10:14 PM | Reply

Sounds like the difference between the USSR and True Communism to me.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 10:17 PM | Reply

"Why am I not surprised."

Probably because you believe the difference between Capitalism and Corporatism is in the accounting system.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 10:20 PM | Reply

I know it's not in the accounting.

That's not an explanation.

But I get it; you're so old, you make up whatever definition you can remember, even if it's to a different word.

I don't get sick. I have none of the diseases that plague people my age. Will be 77 in a few weeks.

You're lying. You pretended Vitamin C, et al, are better than a vaccine.

No vaccine can improve on millions of years of evolution. When you take care of your body, you don't get sick.

It's so simple. But it's too complicated for a moron!

#50 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 10:22 PM | Reply

Probably because you believe the difference between Capitalism and Corporatism is in the accounting system.

Jesus Christ! I defined corporatism. And you still don't get it.
What is capital? I don't think you know.

Have to go. I can only take so much of arguing with an ignoramus.

#51 | Posted by Ray at 2019-06-19 10:26 PM | Reply

"When you take care of your body, you don't get sick."

I'll tell my two friends who both survived cancer this year.

They'll be thrilled to hear it had nothing to do with inherited genes, and all to do with not enough sunshine, orange juice, or iodized salt.

You stupid ----.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 10:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I defined corporatism."

And stated the accounting systems between that and Capitalism are different, you stupid old codger.

You keep pretending you didn't post what you posted. Are you senile?

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 10:30 PM | Reply

"I can only take so much of..."

...of being shown up for the dangerous stupid ---- you are.

Run away, dumb-dumb.

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-19 10:33 PM | Reply

#19 | Posted by Ray, Have you ever seen polio? Malaria? Yellow fever? Dengue? I have, they kill people, they cripple people, they disfigure people. I suggest you go to Port a Prince for a few months with out vaccinations and with your stupid vitamins, see how that works out for you.

#55 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-19 10:54 PM | Reply

#19 | Posted by Ray, Have you ever seen polio? Malaria? Yellow fever? Dengue? I have, they kill people, they cripple people, they disfigure people. I suggest you go to Port a Prince for a few months with out vaccinations and with your stupid vitamins, see how that works out for you.
#55 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-06-19 10:54 PM

Having a lengthy tenure with several hospitals and clinics I have been exposed to everything the nurses and doctors experience.

The one time I was sick was because I was forced to take the flu vaccine. That made an absolutely believer out of me - influenza vaccines are not helpful and introduce foreign materials that damage immune response and cause illness, in my experience.

I have always sprayed my face, eyes, nose and throat with silver. My coworkers have tried it with success. It's cheap, helps remove and prevent infections and you don't need a good diet for it to work. Period.

#56 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-20 12:48 AM | Reply

This is a right and left wing problem. It's where the opposite poles overlap. I see this in my practice every day. MAGAts and dumb hippies alike.

People like RedlightRobot make a likely fallacious assumption that gets spread ad nauseum over the internet.

I don't get it. Vaccines are among the most natural ways to help prevent disease there is. It primes your own immune system to fight disease.

#57 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-06-20 08:54 AM | Reply

No vaccine can improve on millions of years of evolution. When you take care of your body, you don't get sick.

This is so fkking dumb on so many levels.

Vaccines use your immune system, you know, that thing that's evolved over millions of years? Right out of the gate your abject ignorance is in full blazing display.

You mean, diet , exercise and weight loss help keep you well? WOW, thanks for the HOT TIP. You know who keeps showing that works over and over again? Medical research. Exercise has been proven to reduce insulin resistance, improve bone strength, improve mitochondrial function, etc et al. Have you ever either been to or listened to a doctor?

Your assertion about vaccines has been resoundingly proven wrong despite your anecdotal "evidence." Even the --------- vaccine is better than nothing.

All we need is another influenza outbreak like 1918 and the idiots like Ray will be the first to line up at the vaccine trough.

#58 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-06-20 09:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I suggest you go to Port a Prince for a few months with out vaccinations and with your stupid vitamins, see how that works out for you."

Doc, I was also in Haiti 6 months after the Earthquake. I stupidly contracted malaria because I was working 37 hours straight and got off my Big Pharma prophylaxis. No shortage of sunlight.

I would love to share photos. We had this naturopath show up to volunteer in a freaking MASH style ED. He was completely out of his element and left within a week after giving himself a needlestick.

#59 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-06-20 09:16 AM | Reply

ZARNON

Some people get their 'information' from Alex Jones' InfoWars and the like. Nothing we can do to help them.

#60 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-20 09:22 AM | Reply

ibb.co

Not sure if allowed but one from my archives. You don't know how much you miss something until you don't have it.

#61 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-06-20 09:24 AM | Reply

They bypass your body's natural defenses with foreign matter. They're toxic.
The nervous system is especially vulnerable.
#19 | POSTED BY RAY

LOL you clearly have no idea how vaccines work.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-20 09:35 AM | Reply

No vaccine can improve on millions of years of evolution. When you take care of your body, you don't get sick.

It's so simple. But it's too complicated for a moron!
#50 | POSTED BY RAY

Lol good ol' Ray, still denying germ theory and decades of research into infectious disease pathogenicity.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-20 09:39 AM | Reply

Lol good ol' Ray, still denying germ theory and decades of research into infectious disease pathogenicity.

#63 | Posted by jpw

Dontcha know the Egyptians used to ingest gold to keep them well? Didn't work, but they were sure it did.

In Ray's case, if you're hiding in a bunker with rare or nonexistent human contact, your odds of catching a virus are minimized.

#64 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-20 10:09 AM | Reply

Ray should browse the internets and read about indigenous people - healthy people - who came in contact with germs their body had never encountered before the white man showed up. Since they'd built up no immunity by coming in contact with foreign germs, their bodies had no defense, regardless of their being healthy in all regards until that contact.

#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-20 10:11 AM | Reply

#56 | Posted by redlightrobot, You are full of crap, going without vaccinations in a relatively safe areas like here in the US vs. a crowded third world area is not any sort of test. Go to the jungles of Honduras for a few months, or Citi Solie north of Port a Prince for a few weeks, put your theory to a real test.

#66 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-20 10:28 AM | Reply

It sounds like what you're saying is, as long as we steer clear of Port a Prince, the jungles of Honduras, and probably PaPau New Guinea, we should be fine.

I had no plans to visit there anyways. I haven't been sick in years.

Anyways, as long as YOU GUYS have you vaccinations, then YOU have nothing to worry about. except the waterhead babies.

#67 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-20 10:44 AM | Reply

#67 | Posted by SheepleSchism Proof? Never.

#68 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-20 10:52 AM | Reply

Anyways, as long as YOU GUYS have you vaccinations, then YOU have nothing to worry about.

#67 | Posted by SheepleSchism

It never fails that this old canard gets trotted out.

Just say "I'm ignorant" next time and save everybody the trouble of reading you crap.

#69 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-20 11:47 AM | Reply

"Lol good ol' Ray, still denying germ theory"

But...but...but...he's read several books on the subject! He's found quacks just as dumb as he is!! Dow 1400!!!

#70 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-20 11:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Legal coercion is a wrong solution.

Especially while governments leave pharmaceutical companies with limited liability.

#71 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-06-20 02:30 PM | Reply

It sounds like what you're saying is, as long as we steer clear of Port a Prince, the jungles of Honduras, and probably PaPau New Guinea, we should be fine.

No, it's not at all what we're saying at all. Your uninformed strawman response is as predictable as it is creme de la dumb.

#72 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-06-20 08:29 PM | Reply

It never fails that this old canard gets trotted out.
#69 | POSTED BY JPW

You're vaccinated? So you're good. It's between me and my doctor.

My body my choice. Keep your hands off my veins.

#73 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-20 08:35 PM | Reply

#56 | Posted by redlightrobot, You are full of crap, going without vaccinations in a relatively safe areas like here in the US vs. a crowded third world area is not any sort of test. Go to the jungles of Honduras for a few months, or Citi Solie north of Port a Prince for a few weeks, put your theory to a real test.
#66 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-06-20 10:28 AM

True dat, and I understand that vaccines have a place in an evolving medical therapy. Ionic silver has been used for a long time to do precisely what I describe, and it works for me in the most exposed situations.

There is a scientific response and then there is the passion of rejecting the other. I agree that I bring little of either respectfully.

Fundamentally I want to trust doctors, that is probably where my attitude stems. I feel betrayed, the obvious tools are forbidden and derided. For instance marijuana is one of the other tools that I have discovered was entirely lied about throughout my life. It's not possible to go back but it is to go forward and adopt more intelligent means of preventing and even curing infectious disease.

Not just that, the reliance on pharmaceuticals leaves no room for other methods because of profiteering. That makes me feel that the medical community are parasitic, enabling what might be considered short-term "progress" at profit.

My natural immunity is being helped, not replaced or augmented with foreign genetics. I have a determined outcome preventing infection, vaccines might not.

#74 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-20 08:43 PM | Reply

"For instance marijuana is one of the other tools that I have discovered was entirely lied about throughout my life."

Yeah but probably not by doctors.
More like, politicians and pigs.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 08:47 PM | Reply

"My natural immunity is being helped, not replaced or augmented with foreign genetics."

Your natural immunity works by encountering foreign genetics, and adapting to recognize and isolate them.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 08:49 PM | Reply

"You're vaccinated? So you're good. It's between me and my doctor."

No, it's not, nor should it be. The fact you don't understand how vaccines work shouldn't put the rest of us in danger.

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-20 08:56 PM | Reply

"For instance marijuana is one of the other tools that I have discovered was entirely lied about throughout my life."
Yeah but probably not by doctors.
More like, politicians and pigs.
#75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-06-20 08:47 PM | FLAG:

I can dig it. Doctors, dude. I encounter many levels of educated professionals, that they refuse to study let alone discuss marijuana speaks to the propaganda campaign. It was thorough. BUt after 50 years or so they should KNOW BETTER.

And their natural inquisitiveness, the sciences the unknown.. nope, they want to keep their positions, authority and appear to believe the hype. I know better, they do as well. I despise intellectual dishonesty.

"My natural immunity is being helped, not replaced or augmented with foreign genetics."
Your natural immunity works by encountering foreign genetics, and adapting to recognize and isolate them.
#76 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-06-20 08:49 PM

Silver merely targets foreign bodies specifically, the cellular walls are ruptured, replication is hindered, invasive pathogens are stopped dead in their tracks but right, that's hardly natural whereas injecting foreign instructions is faaaar more safe and preventative. Whatevs.

#78 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-20 09:33 PM | Reply

"whereas injecting foreign instructions is faaaar more safe and preventative."

To my knowledge there is no harm in taking silver, and the effects you describe are real, but I'm not sure if they actually translate to improved health outcomes.

So I'm not trying to pooh-pooh silver.

But your body is full of "foreign instructions." There's about 10x more bacterial cells in and on you, than cells of you. Viruses wrote themselves into our ancestor's DNA, and perpetuate themselves within us, but have been silenced. It's a much different battleground than you seem to think.

That's why your comment doesn't work, from a biology and physiology perspective.

Silver or any other drug or supplement is no substitute for going out and playing in the dirt and building a healthy immune system. And once you learn how the adaptive immune system functions, you will see that the way vaccines work is actually quite elegant, because it gives your immune system enough of the uniqueness of the pathogen to pick it out from the gazillions of harmless (and beneficial) organisms that call you their home.

But I don't blame people for not getting it, I really only see the tip of the iceberg, from a graduate level microbiology course, but the effectiveness of the system is the type of thing that would make you say "intelligent design" if you believed in such nonsense.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 11:14 PM | Reply

Silver merely targets foreign bodies specifically, the cellular walls are ruptured, replication is hindered, invasive pathogens are stopped dead in their tracks but right, that's hardly natural whereas injecting foreign instructions is faaaar more safe and preventative. Whatevs.

#78 | Posted by redlightrobot

What?

How exactly does a chemical element do something "specifically"?

And yes, injecting a little bit of protein along with an immune tickling substance (adjuvant) to educate your immune system is far more safe and preventative than spraying yourself with a compound that perforates cell membranes.

#80 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-20 11:36 PM | Reply

Silver or any other drug or supplement is no substitute for going out and playing in the dirt and building a healthy immune system.

The fact that we evolved over thousands of years gives an interesting give and take when we start rewriting the rules of the game for ourselves.

We've attained longer life times and "healthier" lives by dramatically cleaning up our immediate environments. However, the cost of that seems to be dysregulated immunity and subsequent autoimmune and allergy disorders (so called hygiene hypothesis).

So while we worked so hard to rid ourselves of things like worms and asymptomatic or subclinical infections, the trade off is an immune system that doesn't quite work properly in a large number of people.

Its not gotten to the point that adding back things like intestinal worms are being tried as therapies for autoimmune and inflammatory disorders.

www.popsci.com

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-20 11:45 PM | Reply

While I'm not in the medical profession. Most of my career has been in the healthcare industry. As such, I have been required to get periodic vaccinations to continue employment. I don't enjoy it, but it only makes sense. They SAVE LIVES! And not just your own.

#82 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-06-21 09:45 AM | Reply

But your body is full of "foreign instructions." There's about 10x more bacterial cells in and on you, than cells of you. Viruses wrote themselves into our ancestor's DNA, and perpetuate themselves within us, but have been silenced. It's a much different battleground than you seem to think.

Perhaps. I see us more as repositories, but go on.

That's why your comment doesn't work, from a biology and physiology perspective.
Silver or any other drug or supplement is no substitute for going out and playing in the dirt and building a healthy immune system. And once you learn how the adaptive immune system functions, you will see that the way vaccines work is actually quite elegant, because it gives your immune system enough of the uniqueness of the pathogen to pick it out from the gazillions of harmless (and beneficial) organisms that call you their home.

Mostly agreed, skewed institutional perspective aside.

But I don't blame people for not getting it, I really only see the tip of the iceberg, from a graduate level microbiology course, but the effectiveness of the system is the type of thing that would make you say "intelligent design" if you believed in such nonsense.
#79 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-06-20 11:14 PM

Disagreed. I do blame professionals for not "getting it", specifically cellular resistivity and the selection of foreign bodies. I mean, you are aware of magnetism, but would you incorporate that knowledge into biology, or learn why in graduate studies on cellular mechanics? Other than perhaps a crude weaponization and privatized methods. Monetize at all costs.. puns hate me.

We cannot debate any topic, including co-adaptation and forced evolution unless it has been blessed by an institution?

#83 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-21 05:40 PM | Reply

This is a process more in line with mechanical physics than elaborate organized instruction.

#84 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-21 05:44 PM | Reply

"We cannot debate any topic, including co-adaptation and forced evolution unless it has been blessed by an institution?"

There's nothing to debate.

Vaccines work, for reasons that make sense at a microbiological level.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 05:58 PM | Reply

Snoofy would gargle a sperm smoothie if a gov't body told him to.

These are the same people who will demand everyone get chipped in the future.

#86 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-21 06:21 PM | Reply

"We cannot debate any topic, including co-adaptation and forced evolution unless it has been blessed by an institution?"
There's nothing to debate.
Vaccines work, for reasons that make sense at a microbiological level.
#85 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-06-21 05:58 PM

As you wish, but I can tell you know I'm right.

Preventing the infection is safer than altering immunology.

#87 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-21 07:15 PM | Reply

What happens to magnetic nanoparticles once in cells?

Date: February 14, 2019
Source: CNRS
Summary: "Although magnetic nanoparticles are being used more and more in cell imaging and tissue bioengineering, what happens to them within stem cells in the long term remained undocumented. Researchers have shown substantial degradation of these nanoparticles, followed in certain cases by the cells ''re-magnetizing.'' This phenomenon is the sign of biosynthesis of new magnetic nanoparticles from iron released in the intracellular medium by the degradation of the first nanoparticles."

It's already being incorporated because it is basic, basic science.

#88 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-21 07:20 PM | Reply

"Preventing the infection is safer than altering immunology."

Again, your comment makes no sense, in light of the fact that the adaptive immune system is constantly altering immunology.

To review: Altering immunology is precisely how the adaptive immune system works to prevent infection.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 08:06 PM | Reply

"Preventing the infection is safer than altering immunology."
Again, your comment makes no sense, in light of the fact that the adaptive immune system is constantly altering immunology.
To review: Altering immunology is precisely how the adaptive immune system works to prevent infection.
#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-06-21 08:06 PM

Rather, can you debate that ionic silver is dangerous, does any damage and/or doesn't work. Please.

Flu vaccines are unnecessary, they have a record of neurotoxic additives, often only have use for that specific mutation and then we have the profiteering. Trust is never going to be earned so long as you discount non-institutional information.

#90 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-21 08:14 PM | Reply

It's probably more technically correct to say the adaptive immune system is "creating new" immunology, not "altering" it.

Light chain, heavy chain, any of this ringing a bell?

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 08:15 PM | Reply

"Flu vaccines are unnecessary"

For most people, probably. However, if you're sick or old, not only should you get the flu vaccine, you'll want all the people you come in contact with to have the flu vaccine as well, since they could be a carrier, and give poor little unvaccinated you the flu.

"they have a record of neurotoxic additives"

Many drugs that actively target pathogens are toxic to both the pathogen and the host, just that the dose needed to kill the pathogen is tiny compared to the dose needed to kill the host.

"often only have use for that specific mutation"

It's too bad there's no universal flu vaccine, but then, there's no universal flu either.

"and then we have the profiteering."

That's a feature of capitalism, not microbiology.

More on neurotoxins: Common examples of neurotoxins include lead,[7] ethanol (drinking alcohol),[8] glutamate,[9] nitric oxide,[10] botulinum toxin (e.g. Botox),[11] tetanus toxin,[12] and tetrodotoxin.[6] Some substances such as nitric oxide and glutamate are in fact essential for proper function of the body and only exert neurotoxic effects at excessive concentrations. en.wikipedia.org

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-21 08:20 PM | Reply

"Flu vaccines are unnecessary"
For most people, probably. However, if you're sick or old, not only should you get the flu vaccine, you'll want all the people you come in contact with to have the flu vaccine as well, since they could be a carrier, and give poor little unvaccinated you the flu.

This is the excuse that forced me to take the damned thing in the first place. If I wanted to keep my job everyone must get the flu shot. I will never permit that again. You have a belief that everyone is a potential carrier of a disease, therefore nothing else matters. My body prevents the replication of foreign pathogens and therefore cannot be a carrier.

"they have a record of neurotoxic additives"
Many drugs that actively target pathogens are toxic to both the pathogen and the host, just that the dose needed to kill the pathogen is tiny compared to the dose needed to kill the host.

My first-hand experience indicates that flu vaccines are dangerous and that ionic silver is safe.

"often only have use for that specific mutation"
It's too bad there's no universal flu vaccine, but then, there's no universal flu either.

No, it's not just that. You already admitted that the majority have NO use for the flu vaccination other than to prevent transmission. I already do that.

"and then we have the profiteering."
That's a feature of capitalism, not microbiology.
More on neurotoxins: Common examples of neurotoxins include lead,[7] ethanol (drinking alcohol),[8] glutamate,[9] nitric oxide,[10] botulinum toxin (e.g. Botox),[11] tetanus toxin,[12] and tetrodotoxin.[6] Some substances such as nitric oxide and glutamate are in fact essential for proper function of the body and only exert neurotoxic effects at excessive concentrations. en.wikipedia.org
#92 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-06-21 08:20 PM

What is your experience with silver? Anything? Nothing?

And the data I have provided regarding magnetic targeting?

Would you consider looking into it's therapeutic uses? I know, no money in it, but maybe it explains why a costly and complex vaccination scheme is in place, profiteering and demanding that everyone comply.

#93 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-21 08:41 PM | Reply

On another note magnetic bone mending was popular until it was banned by the AMA. It works, but I'm uncertain what the reasoning for the ban was.

We have one doctor in Portland who legally uses that therapy, I'm just shocked there aren't others.

#94 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-21 08:49 PM | Reply

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