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The attorney for an off-duty Los Angeles police officer who fatally shot a man described by his family as having an intellectual disability and two others at a Costco store in Corona said he was defending himself and 1-year-old child.

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Cops are trained to see everyone as a potential threat.
Some of them are just better at it than others.
Give this officer a vacation and a promotion.

#1 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 12:33 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

no such thing as a "good" cop. some are only better than others.

#2 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-19 08:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#ACAB

#3 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-06-19 08:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The attorney, David Winslow, said the officer was getting a food sample for his son when he was attacked and briefly knocked out.

"He was shopping with his wife and 1½-year-old at Costco. His son was was in his arms and he was feeding his son some samples when within seconds he was on the ground and woke up from being unconscious and he was fighting for his life," Winslow said in an interview with The Times.

Authorities said the assault, which was captured on Costco security cameras, was unprovoked and led the officer to fire his weapon, killing Kenneth French, 32, and wounding two of French's family members, whom a relative identified as French's parents.

The officer did not know of the man's disability at the time, according to a law enforcement source who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

French lived with his parents and had the mental capacity of a teenager, his cousin Rick Shureih said in a phone interview.

"He was a gentle giant," Shureih said. "He's never been violent in the past.

Well, he wasnt "gentle" in this instance. I dont care who you are, you assault me with my kid, you are going to die.

Apparently, this was caught on camera and several witnesses corroborate what the police said happened to him.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 09:08 AM | Reply

I dont care who you are, you assault me with my kid, you are going to die.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 09:08 AM | Reply

I could have handled it without anyone needing to die. Which is my usual observation in situations where someone says they had absolutely no choice but to blow someone away.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2019-06-19 09:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Based upon what is contained in this article it is virtually impossible to discern whether or not this shooting was justified.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 10:22 AM | Reply

I could have handled it without anyone needing to die.

Well, you are a liberal submissive. :)

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 10:33 AM | Reply

For once I am with Boaz... Especially as a police officer you simply do not know what is going on when you are sucker punched and further assaulted. "Disability" or not - the guy could have been a felon seeking revenge. How do you know in that instant?

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-06-19 10:45 AM | Reply

#7 | Posted by boaz

he's holding a kid...he comes to on the ground..where's the kid?..did he just regain consciousness and still laying down, start shooting.
where's the kid?
and as far as your ridiculous posturing about what you'd do..meh

#9 | Posted by ABlock at 2019-06-19 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For once I am with Boaz... Especially as a police officer you simply do not know what is going on when you are sucker punched and further assaulted. "Disability" or not - the guy could have been a felon seeking revenge. How do you know in that instant?

#8 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

Bears repeating.

Keep in mind this was an unprovoked attack, according to eyewitnesses.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 10:48 AM | Reply

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Video will be helpful in this case. I'm not sure why he shot anyone at this point.

Was he still being attacked? Did he believe his son was being hurt?

More questions than answers.

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-19 11:01 AM | Reply

I dont care who you are, you assault me with my kid, you are going to die.

Let's hope you're a better shot than Officer Sanchez, who managed to critically wound two others when he discharged "several" rounds in a crowded grocery store.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-19 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I dont care who you are, you assault me with my kid, you are going to die."

That's hilarious, coming from a guy who kills Iraqi babies for a living!

(Hilarious in a very dark comedy kind of way.)

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 11:52 AM | Reply

Apparently, this was caught on camera and several witnesses corroborate what the police said happened to him.

#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-06-19 09:08 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Where is this information? I did not see it.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 11:54 AM | Reply

Potentially killing your own child and everyone in a store is not justified.

#15 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 11:54 AM | Reply

Unless you're in a movie, you don't just get knocked out and wake up shooting. The story is obviously a lie. No wonder only badge bunnies are believing it.

I will need to see how this plays out because it's nonsense as it is.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 11:56 AM | Reply

Much like how calculators stole boazy/snipers math skillz, today's "conservative" ideology has stolen its devout's humanity

#17 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-06-19 12:06 PM | Reply

I could have handled it without anyone needing to die. ~ Zed

Yeah wait for it to end ... then yell NAZI.

#18 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-19 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a sad event, but some here on the DR don't express that, they just use it as an excuse to tell everyone how much they want to kill someone

They are subhuman

#19 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-06-19 12:09 PM | Reply

"you assault me with my kid, you are going to die."

Notice that an eye for an eye is not sufficiently vengeful for Boaz.
It's a whole life for an eye.
Boaz, are you a natural born killer, or did it take years of training?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 12:19 PM | Reply

#14,

Authorities did not arrest him, based on information provided to police by witnesses.

These were people who actually saw what happened and the store's video recorded it. And notice how there's no interviews on the spot of the witnesses? If that cop was in the wrong, every person within earshot that was willing to say the offer did wrong would have been on the 6pm liberal news.

I think when the officers and other relevant people looked at the video of what happened, that's why this officer wasnt charged.

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 12:30 PM | Reply

#20,

Couple of things you dont mess with. One of them is my kids, especially when they were young.

If this guy wa attacked while holding a 1 year old, then that means the attacker didnt care about him holding the kid and he was bringing violence anyway, even with the kid in the man's arms. But none of you liberals is mentioning that.

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 12:35 PM | Reply

#21 based on 100 percent of other officer homicide cases, this is meaningless.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 12:37 PM | Reply

Boaz, was shooting the assailant's parents justified too?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 12:38 PM | Reply

Boaz, was shooting the assailant's parents justified too?

They were just in the way. And it still depends on what was going on. We dont know what made the "gentle giant" go off. We dont know what argument, assume there was one, happened. So, if a huge man like this disabled man came upon you, knocked you dizzy while holding a baby, especially if there was no reason, yea, I would have shot him too...

The only thing I can say is, I can only imagine the parents were screaming at the guy not to attack the cop. I guess that should have been the case. They should have been screaming "He's sick" or "He's slow" or something like that to let the cop know what was going on.

#25 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 12:47 PM | Reply

"So, if a huge man like this disabled man came upon you, knocked you dizzy while holding a baby, especially if there was no reason, yea, I would have shot him too..."

And his parents too?

It's not a hard question, if shooting the parents of your attacker is justified.

You seem to have a hard time answering it though.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 12:51 PM | Reply

For once I am with Boaz... Especially as a police officer you simply do not know what is going on when you are sucker punched and further assaulted. "Disability" or not - the guy could have been a felon seeking revenge. How do you know in that instant?

#8 | Posted by GalaxiePete

Yawn.

I've not seen anything suggesting he was "sucker punched" and "further assaulted".

Release the surveillance video. That's the only legit way forward on this one.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-19 12:54 PM | Reply

If you're shooting up a grocery store, with your baby wandering around, you need to be put in jail.

#28 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 12:57 PM | Reply

Boazo isn't a natural born killer, a natural born coward, yes.
He'd be running over old ladies with walkers and small children to get to the exit.

#29 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-06-19 01:11 PM | Reply

Release the surveillance video. That's the only legit way forward on this one.

#27 | POSTED BY JPW

Yep.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 01:14 PM | Reply

"Boaz, was shooting the assailant's parents justified too?"

They were just in the way.

Lol. Jesus christ, you're a sick person.

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-19 01:17 PM | Reply

It's not a hard question, if shooting the parents of your attacker is justified.

You seem to have a hard time answering it though.

#26 | Posted by snoofy

I doubt he was aiming for the parents, which is the only way your question makes any sense. Again, I think the parents were just in the way, I doubt he intentionally shot them.

I dont have a hard time answering it, you are having a hard time attributing your premise on me.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 01:18 PM | Reply

"Again, I think the parents were just in the way, I doubt he intentionally shot them."

There's unintentional shootings?
He didn't mean to pull the trigger?
That's adorable!

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 01:19 PM | Reply

Authorities said the assault, which was captured on Costco security cameras, was unprovoked and led the officer to fire his weapon, killing Kenneth French, 32, and wounding two of French's family members, whom a relative identified as French's parents.

Actually, this is all that's needed. The authorities have seen the assault, determined what happened and decided not to charge.

The public immediate seeing the video does not need to be done. The only ones who need to see the video now are the police and the DA. Everyone else can wait to form a useless opinion.

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 01:20 PM | Reply

Again, I think the parents were just in the way, I doubt he intentionally shot them

What should happen to someone who discharges a weapon and accidentally critically injures two innocent human beings?

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-19 01:23 PM | Reply

If this guy wa attacked while holding a 1 year old, then that means the attacker didnt care about him holding the kid and he was bringing violence anyway, even with the kid in the man's arms. But none of you liberals is mentioning that.

#22 | Posted by boaz

If he's a 32 year old with the mindset of a younger person it could have been as simple as he had zero impulse control and wanted a food sample.

Hardly something to get shot over, no?

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-19 01:28 PM | Reply

I doubt he was aiming for the parents, which is the only way your question makes any sense. Again, I think the parents were just in the way, I doubt he intentionally shot them.

Which means he should be treated like anybody else who wounds a bystander when they use their weapon- civil liability and, preferably, criminal liability.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-19 01:30 PM | Reply

The authorities have seen the assault, determined what happened and decided not to charge.

The public immediate seeing the video does not need to be done. The only ones who need to see the video now are the police and the DA. Everyone else can wait to form a useless opinion.

#34 | Posted by boaz

LOL what a useful idiot.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-19 01:31 PM | Reply

-What should happen to someone who discharges a weapon and accidentally critically injures two innocent human beings?

make them post here non-stop for 2 months.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-19 01:44 PM | Reply

where's the film? did he have to shoot all 3?

#40 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-06-19 02:23 PM | Reply

It was Costco. If he wanted to sample mini Pizzas then blood had to water the tree of Liberty first.

#41 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 02:29 PM | Reply

where's the film?

Being closely guarded by police while badge bunnies and gun fetishists act like they've already seen it.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-19 02:29 PM | Reply

where's the film?
----
Being closely guarded by police while badge bunnies and gun fetishists act like they've already seen it.

#42 | POSTED BY JOE

Those aren't the only people acting live they've already seen it.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 02:35 PM | Reply

What should happen to someone who discharges a weapon and accidentally critically injures two innocent human beings?

In a vacuum, if that's the only thing that happened, then they should be put on trial.

But that's not what happened here.

#44 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-19 03:14 PM | Reply

Quick poll - how many times have you had to defend your life at Costco?

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 05:03 PM | Reply

It's cute how Boaz thinks he could murder anyone and not get the chair.

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-19 05:04 PM | Reply

In a vacuum, if that's the only thing that happened, then they should be put on trial.
But that's not what happened here.

So let's take your position as true that this man was defending himself even though you've never seen the video. You think that critically wounding two other people in the process is just meaningless collateral damage? That a trained police officer should be permitted to discharge "several" rounds in a crowded space and nearly kill multiple people in the process? That these people were simply "in the way?"

You shouldn't be permitted to own a firearm if that's your position. In a sane world your posts get forwarded to the State of North Carolina and your right to own and use a firearm is revoked.

#47 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-20 07:12 AM | Reply

"even though you've never seen the video" #47

You like this point, but it cuts both ways. You haven't seen it either, yet you seem to _know_ that this persons actions were just not warranted.

So far, the only thing we really know is that after speaking to witnesses he was released. Those witnesses aren't complaining about this.

It would seem that using only the facts, you're most likely not right.

#48 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-06-20 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bozo exhibits extraordinary comprehension skills for someone who wasn't there and had no video tape to review.

#49 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-20 11:40 AM | Reply

You haven't seen it either, yet you seem to _know_ that this persons actions were just not warranted

Where did i say that?

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-20 12:45 PM | Reply

That a trained police officer should be permitted to discharge "several" rounds in a crowded space and nearly kill multiple people in the process?

yes, he should, with a valid reason. Which, it appears the police are satisfied with why the chose to defend himself and his child.

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-20 12:56 PM | Reply

Where did i say that?

It's your whole premise.

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-20 12:56 PM | Reply

And now we start to get the other side of the story where the officer was struck once pulled his gun and started shooting indiscriminately
Shoots the father who was trying to tell him his son was disabled and hit the mother standing behind the son
Just proves a gun makes everyone less safe and cops look after their own

#53 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-06-20 01:33 PM | Reply

His version: knocked down/out

Family version: pushed.

Video: truth...

Let's see it.

#54 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-06-20 02:56 PM | Reply

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Every drug dealer, assaulter, shooter, murder victim, etc is always described as a good guy, gentle, going to go to school, etc nobody ever says "ya, the guy was a bag and somebody was eventually going to shoot this a hole."

Btw, Costco is the best.

#55 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-06-20 02:57 PM | Reply

They should have had Baby Huey on a leash.

#56 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-06-20 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Never go to Costco on a Saturday.

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-20 03:02 PM | Reply

I made the mistake of going to one around the corner from the university of Rochester on ffreshman move in day...

The free samples at most Costco's are pretty impressive. I'm surprised there isn't more line violence.
Old people like to pretend they didn't notice a line and they just walk up...not on my watch, Gertrude!

#58 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-06-20 03:07 PM | Reply

They should have had Baby Huey on a leash.

#56 | Posted by 101Chairborne

He was with his parents... therefore "on a leash".

Maybe off duty police officers who carry guns should be on a leash.

or maybe they need better training. I know at lest one that needs to be arrested. If anyone else, ANYONE ELSE, had done this they would have been arrested. This officer should be under arrest until the investigation is over and he is cleared... or not.

Shoving in a food line in Costco is NOT a valid reason to fire 6-8 rounds in a crowded store.

He shot the mother for crying our loud.

HE SHOT THE MOTHER.

She is in a coma.

So do we need to all wear bullet proof vests every time we leave our homes now?

Thanks NRA

Thanks GOP

Thanks Deplorables

#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-20 04:21 PM | Reply

Shoving in a food line in Costco is NOT a valid reason to fire 6-8 rounds in a crowded store.

It is when you are holding your baby and a hulking, violent man child is beating on you and knocks you out.

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-20 07:11 PM | Reply

Boaz says shooting the relatives was justified.

I think that might even be further than JeffJ is willing to take this one.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 07:13 PM | Reply

It is when you are holding your baby and a hulking, violent man child is beating on you and knocks you out.

#60 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-06-20 07:11 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Never happened.

#62 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-20 07:17 PM | Reply

Cop probably had a ---------- shirt on and his gun handy and out but Mr ShortBus didn't understand the death signs. Like I said, that sample is worth a life.

#63 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-20 07:19 PM | Reply

Never happened.

#62 | Posted by BruceBanner

That's not what the witnesses and apparently the video says.

#64 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-20 07:32 PM | Reply

Boaz says shooting the relatives was justified.

Are you trolling? I can only assume you are. I never said that. And even you arent stupid enough to think he purposely shot the parents. You and everyone else knows they were just in the way. They were collateral damage.

#65 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-20 07:34 PM | Reply

"Are you trolling? I can only assume you are. I never said that."

You justify the shooting, but not who got shot?

That would be funny, if only you were joking about it!

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 07:36 PM | Reply

Are there studies on how quickly a person can regain consciousness and become effective with lethal force?

Seems like something the military would have looked into.

I bet it's like 90 seconds or something, for a persons full friend or foe discriminant capabilities to become fully available.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-20 07:38 PM | Reply

That's not what the witnesses and apparently the video says.

#64 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-06-20 07:32 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The only testimony said the man was gentle and never harmed anyone. Cops are known liars.

#68 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-20 07:45 PM | Reply

The only testimony said the man was gentle and never harmed anyone.

Only testimony? By who? Who the media interviewed? Strange none of the witnesses got interviewed, you know, the ones who saw what happened, did they?

#69 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-20 08:02 PM | Reply

"And even you arent stupid enough to think he purposely shot the parents. You and everyone else knows they were just in the way. They were collateral damage.

#65 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-06-20 07:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG"

Does it matter if he did not shoot the parents on purpose? Is his life and that of his child more valuable than the lives of the parents? If we assume that he was entitled to use a gun to defend himself against his attacker, is he allowed to do so without any regard to bystanders? How many innocent bystanders can you injure or endanger to save your own life? Zero is my answer.

In my view if he can't shoot in self-defense without hitting innocent bystanders who were " just in the way" he should not shoot and if he does and injures an innocent, he should face charges for that and face a jury of his peers.

#70 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-06-20 08:29 PM | Reply

Only testimony? By who? Who the media interviewed? Strange none of the witnesses got interviewed, you know, the ones who saw what happened, did they?

#69 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-06-20 08:02 PM | FLAG:

You are an idiot. Read the story. It's all there.

#71 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-20 09:00 PM | Reply

Nobody at all had to die. You simply don't shoot in a crowded grocery store.

#72 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-20 09:01 PM | Reply

The only people quoted are the lawyer who is not to be trusted.

#73 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-20 09:02 PM | Reply

It is when you are holding your baby and a hulking, violent man child is beating on you and knocks you out.

POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-06-20 07:11 PM | REPLY

How can you shoot someone if you're knocked out??

#74 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-21 02:12 AM | Reply

I never said that.

In the same breath you refer to them as "collateral damage," so it's safw to say you think shooting them was okay. But just to make sure - was shooting the parents justified?

they were just in the way.

If the parents were "in the way" then why did he need to kill the retarded guy? Or do you just mean in the way of his poorly aimed bullets?

#75 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-21 02:48 AM | Reply

In the same breath you refer to them as "collateral damage," so it's safw to say you think shooting them was okay.

Wow, what a leap there. You are sick, you need help in simple reading comprehension.

You simply don't shoot in a crowded grocery store.

So I guess he just needed to take the ass beating? His 1 year old in his arms whle he is being beat, let me repeat that, ONE year old just needed to hope it wasnt harmed during this man-child's rampage?

#76 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-21 07:52 AM | Reply

Is his life and that of his child more valuable than the lives of the parents?

I cant believe you are even asking this question. If you truly believe this, there's no point in debating you anymore.

#77 | Posted by boaz at 2019-06-21 07:54 AM | Reply

I'll ask again - If the parents were "in the way" then why did he need to kill the retarded guy? Or do you just mean in the way of his poorly aimed bullets?

One thing's for certain, if this story were about black guys in the hood murdering each other over some food at the corner sfore, Boaz would be on his soapbox talking about the "plague of violence" and the "lack of values" in the black community. But a cop was the shooter, so we get this instead.

#78 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-21 09:06 AM | Reply

"Is his life and that of his child more valuable than the lives of the parents?

I cant believe you are even asking this question. If you truly believe this, there's no point in debating you anymore.

#77 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-06-21 07:54 AM | REPLY | FLAG:"

I do believe what I wrote. I believe that no-one has the right to endanger an innocent third party simply to save themselves or their children. If they chose to do so or act out of instinct, they should be prepared to face the consequences, i.e. be charged and face a jury.

#79 | Posted by Foreigner at 2019-06-21 10:20 AM | Reply

Alot of firmly held opinions based on mixed information, and little to no facts.

You all must be super geniuses or something... more likely the something, dumbasses ready to pounce on a narrative they can twist to their pre-determined agenda.

#80 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-06-21 12:27 PM | Reply

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