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Monday, June 17, 2019

Todd Stern: Eight weeks after the release of the Mueller report, the central question of whether to open a formal impeachment inquiry remains unanswered, with the vitality of our democracy at a crossroads.

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The window to commence impeachment proceedings is rapidly closing, and if Pelosi doesn't act soon, she never will.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-17 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


... The real reason the House leadership is ducking impeachment is surely politics. ...

Impeachment is a political process. Why shouldn't politics enter into it?

(slow news day?)



#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-17 02:02 PM | Reply

Ted, the answer is Mitch McConnell.

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-06-17 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

As long as Republicans control the Senate, impeachment is an exercise in futility... which is why some rwingers keep egging it on rather than petitioning their Party to clean up their own mess of a Presidency.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-17 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As long as Republicans control the Senate, impeachment is an exercise in futility. - corky

No it's not, it's good for ratings....

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-17 03:50 PM | Reply

which is why some rwingers keep egging it on

Like this guy?

"By Todd Stern June 13

Todd Stern was a senior adviser to President Bill Clinton and special envoy for climate change under President Barack Obama."

rather than petitioning their Party to clean up their own mess of a Presidency.

You ------- are going to hide behind that forever.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-17 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The other party won't let us." - Corky

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-17 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I usually don't agree with anything that Tom Steyer says, except for impeaching Trump: Those of us that want to uphold the rule of law do have the moral high ground and Dems in the House should man up and present well crafted and proven articles of impeachment and make the Senate accountable, since by rule they MUST hold an impeachment trial.

"But noooooooo, what if we look bad????"

-CorkDanetc.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-17 08:36 PM | Reply

Impeach trump or impeach pelosi.

Who were the morons who put her back in charge of the house after the dems got royally spanked for following the safe old corporate conservative path in 2016?

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-17 09:43 PM | Reply

I usually don't agree with anything that Tom Steyer says, except for impeaching Trump: Those of us that want to uphold the rule of law do have the moral high ground and Dems in the House should man up and present well crafted and proven articles of impeachment and make the Senate accountable, since by rule they MUST hold an impeachment trial.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter

Why is this on the dems? Are you just accepting that republicans will never do the right thing?

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-17 09:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Nancy can start impeachment proceedings in Nov 2020, she has over a year.
She is smart enough to know how it will play out in the Senate.
The Traitorous GOP will find Trump innocent and that will be touted as proof he did not break laws, when it is obvious he did.

Nancy has this under control. Keep Trumps crimes in the news. Keep making the point that Trump has broken laws and violated his oath.
Make the GOPers defend a criminal president.

#11 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-17 09:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Who were the morons who put her back in charge of the house after the dems got royally spanked for following the safe old corporate conservative path in 2016?

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-06-17 09:43 PM | REPLY

I take only limit delight yet offer understanding. Speaker Outdated.

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-17 09:52 PM | Reply

- accepting that republicans will never do the right thing?

Accepting, expecting, approving... they have the morals of alley cats... just look at the ----- they put in the WH.

Now they want the Dems to try to get rid of him while their Party holds the Senate. It's just a disgusting game they play.

Kinda like Starve the Beast; the idea is to take as much as possible from the middle and lower class taxpayers, move that money upwards, then blame the Dems when they have to take a long time cleaning up the mess. Same with this.

Elect an imbecilic con artist, then whine when Dems don't fall for their impeachment trap.

Anyone who thinks that McConnell's Senate would actually impeach Trump even were it found that he did shoot someone on 5th Ave either isn't thinking at all or is lying to you.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-17 09:54 PM | Reply

Nancy has this under control. Keep Trumps crimes in the news. Keep making the point that Trump has broken laws and violated his oath.
Make the GOPers defend a criminal president.

#11 | POSTED BY BORED

So then, a good old fashioned smear job. There's nothing dishonorable about that.

It's like taking the moral high ground, through the ditch. No evidence of citations necessary.

Name it and claim it! Yeah, that's the party I want to vote for. A party I can trust to uphold the law and constitution.

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-17 09:58 PM | Reply

Nancy can start impeachment proceedings in Nov 2020, she has over a year.
She is smart enough to know how it will play out in the Senate.
The Traitorous GOP will find Trump innocent and that will be touted as proof he did not break laws, when it is obvious he did.

Nancy has this under control. Keep Trumps crimes in the news. Keep making the point that Trump has broken laws and violated his oath.
Make the GOPers defend a criminal president.

#11 | Posted by bored

Almost all of what you said is wrong.

If pelosi waits til 2020 to impeach, she loses a year of investigation and hearing and public attention on trump's crimes, a year of media coverage and clicks. And then trump gets to fill up that year with his propaganda agenda and fearmongering instead of defending his crimes in public.

She THINKS it will hurt dems to impeach but she has no evidence and is likely WRONG. It hurts dems more to look weak. They were elected in 2018 to fight back against trump. And what did they do with it?

She should impeach, and say BUT THE GOP WILL LET THIS CROOK GET AWAY WITH IT SO YOU NEED TO VOTE THEM OUT. Then when the public sees all the evidence and sees what the repub party is really about - protecting a crook - then voters can punish the entire GOP accordingly.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-17 09:59 PM | Reply

She's a coward would be my guess.

If she would have impeached Bush/Cheney for their crimes back then we wouldn't be in this mess now.

You don't hold political criminals accountable, they and others will keep committing crimes.

#16 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-06-17 10:00 PM | Reply

Nixon was never impeached but he left.

Nixon's approval ratings were markedly higher than trumps are when the impeachment inquiry started. As they got into the pre-impeachment process his pole numbers collapsed.

So history tells us we don't need an actual impeachment vote. We need the inquiry. And while trump may never drop below 30%, the rest of his Republican team WILL drop, and they will drop precipitously.

And when that happens, either they will impeach, AND CONVICT, or they will lose mightily in 2020.

My choice is that they lose mightily in 2020. Maybe if we got 64 senate seats, we could impeach Kavanaugh. Heaven knows the malfeasance is there.

And maybe we can also impeach half the Federal judges Trump has appointed. Again, I suspect the malfeasance is there for surely that many.

#17 | Posted by prius04 at 2019-06-17 10:01 PM | Reply

Pelosi is not a coward she's just another member of the 1%. It's about maintaining her power and with that prestige over principles.

#18 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-17 10:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not be impeached.
Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not be indicted.
Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not resign
Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will probably win reelection-I put odds at 80-90%

Dems SHOULD be doing the following

Impeaching Illegitimate President Bucket of ----
Passing laws that make our elections more secure
Passing laws that make what Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- did in 2016 and proudly proclaims he will do in 2020 a criminal act of the highest order

They will do nothing of the sort and will lose as a result.

#19 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-06-17 10:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- wins reelection in 2020, Impeachment will be impossible.

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-06-17 10:11 PM | Reply

#15 No speaks, you are wrong. You think we live in a functioning democracy. wrong.
Nancy can indeed start impeachment proceedings in Nov 2020. There won't be time for a conviction if she does wait, but she can.

What you are missing is that the swing voters that are going to decide 2020 think Trump was exonerated. Letting the GOP senate find him innocent will just cement that.

Nancy is smart. Keep Trump's crimes in the news. Investigate them. Reveal the truth. But don't make the mistake of letting the traitors in the senate give the GOP a talking point.

#21 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-17 10:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#14 Mueller's report isn't a smear job. It documents what Trump did. He committed crimes, but can't be charged based on DOJ policy.

Let the public see Mueller's full report. Only traitors want to keep it hidden.

#22 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-17 10:33 PM | Reply

Author claims the reason is "political". What a vague statement. Two specific reasons is the orange sloth's is polling poorly and it would be good for the Democrats to have Trump on the ballot. A second reason might be that to try Trump and fail to impeach may strengthen his support, which has been weakening..

#23 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-17 10:52 PM | Reply

Why is this on the dems?

Because the Speaker of the House decides what gets voted on, and she doesn't want to impeach Trump.

Any other stupid questions?

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-17 11:06 PM | Reply

- What you are missing is that the swing voters that are going to decide 2020 think Trump was exonerated. Letting the GOP senate find him innocent will just cement that.

This.

People make the same mistake here over and over; they project their depth of interest and their values based on that interest on the voting public. Big mistake.

The swing vote will see impeachment as just more partisan politics, which they profess to hate.

If there were any chance that either they or the Sen would be swayed by the fact that Trump obstructed justice, then impeachment, which is well deserved, might make sense.

As that isn't even a slight chance, impeachment is just more feel good ego stroking while the Republican power brokers just sit back and laugh.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-17 11:13 PM | Reply

#24

Stupid answers are all you have as the ball is only technically in the Dems court; as long as Republicans have the final say in impeachment... as long as they haven't the balls to stand up to Trump, expecting the Dems to do it for them is just more cynical rwing politics.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-17 11:16 PM | Reply

Do nothing and blame republicans.

Should be in Latin and sewn on the Dem Party's flag.

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-17 11:19 PM | Reply

#26

Tell the class, Dorkus of Nothingham, how articles of impeachment actually get to the Senate?

We will wait.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-17 11:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's funny to me is that before 2016, Democratic Congresspeople have brought three different impeachment resolutions, all of which were tabled or were voted down but once they had the Majority and the Mueller report came out...nothing.

Pathetic.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-17 11:33 PM | Reply

That should be "before 2018"

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-17 11:40 PM | Reply

Stupid answers are all you have as the ball is only technically in the Dems court; as long as Republicans have the final say in impeachment... as long as they haven't the balls to stand up to Trump, expecting the Dems to do it for them is just more cynical rwing politics.
POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-06-17 11:16 PM | REPLY

Hey dummkopf. Impeachment begins and ends in the House which is Democratic controlled. Learn something first before you spout off nonsense.

#31 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-17 11:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats should do the right thing, impeach President Trump NOW! Partisan politics may or may not be affected but we need to do the right thing and force the American people to see what a crook and what a lunatic they have put in the WH. Then if the Republican Senate keeps him there the American people need to punish them at the polls. That is how our system is designed to work, doing nothing is not an option.

#32 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-18 07:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nancy, once again proving herself smarter than the loud party members.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-18 08:11 AM | Reply

##31 and 32

That is exactly correct, there is more than enough evidence that Trump has attempted to obstruct justice and even though the Senate may not convict, doing nothing is not only not an option, but the next time something like this happens, whoever is POTUS will think they have a green light to fire everyone investigating them with ZERO repercussions.

When that happens, it will ALL be on the Democrats for not even trying to impeach Trump.

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-18 12:26 PM | Reply

Nancy is smart. Keep Trump's crimes in the news. Investigate them. Reveal the truth. But don't make the mistake of letting the traitors in the senate give the GOP a talking point.

#21 | Posted by bored

That is exactly what impeachment will do.

Little "investigations" will just blur into the daily news chaos and go unnoticed.

Pelosi is a moron who oversaw the democrats massive loss of power after obama's 2008 election. Why anyone handed the keys back to her after that record is baffling.

If democrats dont impeach trump, they are saying the president is above the law and dems will accept a crook in office. WHich makes them just like repubs.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 01:19 PM | Reply

Why is this on the dems?

Because the Speaker of the House decides what gets voted on, and she doesn't want to impeach Trump.

Any other stupid questions?

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter

Yeah here's one - which party has been blocking the investigations into trump?

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 01:20 PM | Reply

Nancy, once again proving herself smarter than the loud party members.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Funny how nancy turns from moron to genius once she's protecting your cult leader.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 01:21 PM | Reply

#36

Deflection noted.

You can't have it both ways...you either think that Pelosi is a moron for not starting impeachment proceedings, like you say in #35, or you can whine about it "being on the Democrats", like you did in #10, because no matter how you slice it, only the Dems can start impeachment proceedings in the House right now.

Which is it?

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-18 01:26 PM | Reply

Which is it?

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter

It's both. Repubs could have stood up to this president years ago. But it's now a given that no matter what trump does, whatever crime he admits to or says he would happily commit, your party doesn't care.

Dems DO care, but the one dem who can start accountability is a total coward.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 01:32 PM | Reply

#28

The word "technically" obviously escaped your grasp.

As long as the GOP Sen has the final say, and we know what that say will be, and as long as the general voting public will view impeachment as just more partisan politics, then Nancy is being prudent.

When any of those factors changes, then impeachment could be worthwhile. Until they do, the Purity Pony Riders are just enabling Mitch McConnell.

And Hearings? Perhaps some people are missing all the ongoing Hearings and investigations already ongoing in Congress and in NY state, and making the news: even on Fox.... without officially voting for impeachment.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-18 01:42 PM | Reply

and as long as the general voting public will view impeachment as just more partisan politics, then Nancy is being prudent.

#40 | Posted by Corky

The dem establishment has a horrible track record of knowing what the general voting public wants.

Nancy's abilities led to massive loss of democratic power 2008-2016. Suddenly she's some great strategist who knows what the country wants?

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 01:46 PM | Reply

He committed crimes - #22 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-17 10:33 PM
The Mueller report very specifically did not make the claim that Trump committed crimes. You might want to read it if you're going to talk about it.

#42 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-18 02:05 PM | Reply

The dem establishment has a horrible track record of knowing what the general voting public wants.
Nancy's abilities led to massive loss of democratic power 2008-2016. Suddenly she's some great strategist who knows what the country wants?

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-06-18 01:46 PM | REP

Corky will go along with anything the DNC Establishment does no matter what. He will carry water for them till the cows come home. Nancy is all about Nancy and that's it. What's good for the country not so much.

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-18 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The word "technically" obviously escaped your grasp.

Nope, it's just a weaselly way of avoiding responsibility.

As long as the GOP Sen has the final say, and we know what that say will be

That's what Nixon thought before he had to resign as sentiment turned against him.

Perhaps some people are missing all the ongoing Hearings and investigations already ongoing in Congress and in NY state, and making the news: even on Fox.... without officially voting for impeachment.

But ordinary voters are not paying attention, and Nadler, Schiff, Waters and Cummings are exposing their impotence/incompetence on an hourly basis. Without a formal impeachment process, their ability to circumvent Executive Privilege is severely compromised.

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-18 02:24 PM | Reply

The Mueller report very specifically did not make the claim that Trump committed crimes. You might want to read it if you're going to talk about it.

#42 | Posted by Avigdore

The mueller report very specifically said it could not say that trump committed a crime even if he did because he can't be indicted so it wouldnt be fair to accuse him without him having a day in court. Then it listed all the overwhelming evidence that he did commit crimes for congress to use for impeachment.

Everyone knows this except trump's cult of morons.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41

Someone missed the blue wave. And polls on impeachment aren't hard to find... and they are trending in the right direction, but not there yet; and there is no hurry.

#43

If LauraBelle ever posts an actual argument rather than caricature, it will be the first time.

- a weaselly way of avoiding responsibility.

You mean like expecting Dems to get rid of Trump for you? Concentrate on McConnell and we'll worry about Nancy's timing.

- That's what Nixon thought before he had to resign as sentiment turned against him.

Impeachment now is likely to turn as many swing voters to Trump as against him. But you know that.

- But ordinary voters are not paying attention, and Nadler, Schiff, Waters and Cummings are exposing

Make up your mind, dimmy. Either they are paying attention or they are not.

Impeachment will bring more attention to both Trump's defenders and the meme about Dems being politically partisan with it.

And political partisanship polls as very disfavorable among swing voters.

Impeachment right now is a wash at best. Better to get wait for the odds to change.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-18 04:54 PM | Reply

Impeach trump or impeach pelosi.
Who were the morons who put her back in charge of the house after the dems got royally spanked for following the safe old corporate conservative path in 2016?
#9 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-06-17 09:43 PM

That would be hilarious if Pelosi were impeached before Trump.

So long as corporate democrats remain in office they will enable Republicans.

#47 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-18 04:55 PM | Reply

Impeachment will be impossible.

#20 | Posted by truthhurts

Impeachment is Impossible now.

But, she should not let that stop her. It is the right thing to do for the country.

Why, I do six impossible things before breakfast!

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-18 05:04 PM | Reply

#46

Still terrified at the prospect I see.

-----.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-18 05:15 PM | Reply

And political partisanship polls as very disfavorable among swing voters.

Impeachment right now is a wash at best. Better to get wait for the odds to change.

#46 | Posted by Corky

Republicans dont follow polls. They convince americans to follow them and they win.

They make their case, they ALL make it together, every day all the time, until they change public opinion.

Democrats are cowards and if they don't impeach trump they deserve to lose again. They were elected in 2018 to fight back against trump and they're deciding to ignore their mandate because pelosi thinks she's smarter than everyone. She's not. She's the problem.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 05:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pelosi is screwing this up, for a number of reasons:

1) Drumpf is getting the best of both worlds right now - the political benefit of accusing Democrats of doing nothing but trying to impeach him (which they're not, currently doing) and the political benefit of not being impeached and getting away with his lawless behavior.

2) Any good leader knows that dealing with a problem immediately is the only way to go. The longer you allow a rotten apple to stay in the barrel...

3) She is losing the messaging - every day she delays an impeachment inquiry is a day that the wingnuttia can spin their yarns and continue to break the law. Waiting for bipartisan or public opinion to change is stupid...that will change when you trot the crooks out in public hearings. The longer she delays, the less control of the message she has.

4) I can't figure out, for the life of me, why you would abnegate your Constitutional authority when it is literally the only thing that can be used to hold the POTUS* accountable for crimes. If you make the claim that somebody is committing crimes, then what the dumptruck are you waiting for? Yeah, we know the Senate is going to hold a kangaroo trial, if any trial is held at all, but get those traitors on the record for it. I just don't get it.

5) An impeachment inquiry doesn't have to lead to Articles of Impeachment or even a trial. It would, however, be a fantastic public arena to trot out the Mueller report to a public that isn't going to read it and who doesn't even know what it means.

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#52 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-18 06:55 PM | Reply

#52 Impeachment isn't ripe... yet.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-18 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#51

You are mostly correct, and the only real way to educate the public is through actual impeachment proceedings, the only place I don't agree is where you say it doesn't have to lead to articles or a trial: the only way to get the Senate on the record is by presenting articles and at that point public sentiment may make it impossible for the GOP to ignore what Trump did.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-18 07:15 PM | Reply

#54

What *should* happen is a different subject. I don't think that Articles of Impeachment are a mandatory requirement following an inquiry. Nor is a trial.

Nixon resigned rather than going to trial, so who knows?

Pelosi is dropping the ball, regardless. I firmly believe that her refusal to impeach members of the Bush Administration was a huge contributor to Democrats losing the Congress, and if she doesn't consider it a mandate now, then she will watch as the Democrats lose Congress again. This is an opportunity to take the Senate back, but waiting on impeachment will all but guarantee that will not happen. It's a losing strategy.

#55 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-06-18 07:25 PM | Reply

The mueller report very specifically said it could not say that trump committed a crime even if he did because he can't be indicted so it wouldnt be fair to accuse him without him having a day in court. - #45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 02:25 PM
"We concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime," Mueller added. "That is the office's final position."
See, you're going to keep posting your incorrect opinion, and I'm going to keep quoting the actual words used by Mueller and the rest of the DOJ.

Then it listed all the overwhelming insufficient evidence that he did commit crimes for congress to use for impeachment.
Or, as the Attorney General put it :
"After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles of federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president."

Everyone knows this except someone not paying attention or still lost in their own fantasy of what they expected the report to say.

#56 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-18 07:53 PM | Reply

#46 | POSTED BY CORKY

Excuses, excuses. For democrats, gaining power is more important than holding power accountable.

Endlessly declaring a laundry list of crimes, refuse to do the laundry - stinky.

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-18 07:55 PM | Reply

"Excuses, excuses. For democrats, gaining power is more important than holding power accountable."

Taking power away from those who you can't hold accountable is a very good idea.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-18 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't think that Articles of Impeachment are a mandatory requirement following an inquiry. Nor is a trial.

If you want to hold the Senate accountable, you have to approve articles and present them, but once they are presented, by Rule, the trial is mandatory.

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-18 08:09 PM | Reply

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- is most likely going to win reelection.

He has incumbency
The GOP cheats
Voter purges
Democrats continue to look weak

You heard it hear first.

#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-06-18 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

public sentiment may make it impossible for the GOP to ignore what Trump did.

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#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 08:15 PM | Reply

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#62 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-06-18 08:16 PM | Reply

When Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- wins reelection, what will the Democratic leadership do?

#63 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-06-18 08:17 PM | Reply

Excuses, excuses. For democrats, gaining power is more important than holding power accountable.

Endlessly declaring a laundry list of crimes, refuse to do the laundry - stinky.

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Exactly how are democrats supposed to hold trump and mcconnell accountable sheep4trump?

If you're a moron:
When dems do something wrong, it's dem's fault.
When repubs do something wrng, it's dem's fault for not stopping them.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-18 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"public sentiment may make it impossible for the GOP to ignore what Trump did."

Around here, it's practically impossible to ignore the fact that Trump did NOT collude with Russia.
Is that what you're referring to?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-18 08:18 PM | Reply

They can investigate Trump without going to impeachment.

The line of witnesses on live TV won't be a good look for Trump and would drive his unpopularity down even further. Not that he's popular anyway, and really far underwater in so many places he'll need to win next year.

#66 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-18 10:04 PM | Reply

They can investigate Trump without going to impeachment.
The line of witnesses on live TV won't be a good look for Trump and would drive his unpopularity down even further. Not that he's popular anyway, and really far underwater in so many places he'll need to win next year.
#66 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-06-18 10:04 PM

Did you see the lineup of twenty or so fresh-faced folks Trump has surrounding him to re-enforce that he didn't walk out on Pelosi and the Democrats? He essentially trotted newly anointed junior officials into the press meeting ans asked "isn't that true, Pelosi was very rude and loud", "I didn't leave early, right?", etc.

The narrative can and will be spun out of whole-cloth, never touching reality such as his taxes, Alfa Bank (my personal fixation) or even his towers used for embezzlement. Instead it will be misrepresenting the taxation of properties, monies funneled from charity to cover costs, maybe a few more sexual partner payoffs. The money is involved in larger projects. This administration has removed the US from important obligations and is directing the war machine into yet another illegitimate decades of blood and money criminal war.

Everything else is window dressing. Those contractors need their third summer home someplace civilized.

Look how they embedded journalists from the beginning of the illegal Iraq invasion. And the United States military were constantly "accidentally" shooting into their designated hotels with missiles, tanks and AK whatnots. Their camera equipment too often is accused of looking like a shoulder mounted weapon, and that "honest" mistake repeated on brave journalists in a war zone makes our side look like cold-blooded fascistic murderers. But we were told to praise their presence because Saddam was accused of aiding Osama bin Laden, which everyone now knows was a complete sham. The WMD's were a sham. The oil is what they were after. Resource ownership, same with Afghanistan's minerals, Libya's gold, etc. Instead still we hear Isa's moronic howl "Hillary didn't protect a CIA annex distributing weapons for a coup that happened!"

#67 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-18 10:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also, weren't we just discussing Tienanmen Square massacre? The number of students murdered by Chinese military wasn't disclosed in the article, or anyplace on television. Still.

I have zero faith in a legitimately informed electorate.

#68 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-18 10:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Looks like Shreek needs an anxiety meds adjustment.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-18 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Looks like Shreek needs an anxiety meds adjustment.
#69 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-06-18 10:57 PM

True dat. I love that name, btw.

It's just frustratingly obvious that Democrat leadership has no intention on anything less than re-installing Trump.

At this point I'll even believe that Hillary helped Trump, particularly with the insulting "I'm With Her" memefest.

We know that Gore was told to step down for Bush, and that Sanders was told the same for Hillary even while his campaign wasn't covered. Anyone too progressive is destroyed in favor of status quo operatives.

Nothing Democrats do does not enable the Republican agenda. They are operating under similar end-results and for the same moneyed interests. Am I expected to do a jig every time Pelosi seal-claps at the Don?

"They say every time you do drugs an angel gets an abortion. I'm getting high for the greater good." - ---

#70 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-18 11:35 PM | Reply

Nothing Democrats do does not enable the Republican agenda.

Wow.. Is that a triple-negative?! "Everything Democrats do enables the Republican agenda." Damned.

#71 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-18 11:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nancy, once again proving herself smarter than the loud party members.
#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg
Funny how nancy turns from moron to genius once she's protecting your cult leader.

#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-06-18 01:21 PM | REPLY

Funny how somebody that didn't vote for Trump becomes a Trumper whenever you don't get your way. Hilariously childish.

#72 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-19 08:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Hilariously childish.

One might even say, Hillary-ously childish.

I might need to temper my opinions about Pelosi now that she is teasing impeachment. I still think she's stringing it along too slowly.

#73 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-06-19 12:34 PM | Reply

So... maybe next week?

#74 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-06-19 12:55 PM | Reply

Funny how somebody that didn't vote for Trump becomes a Trumper whenever you don't get your way. Hilariously childish.

#72 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Please explain how I'm a trumper. Can't wait to hear this.

#75 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-19 01:02 PM | Reply

Looks like Shreek needs an anxiety meds adjustment.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter

Looks like ROC has to resort to personal attacks once again. If that's all you got I guess go for it.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-19 01:03 PM | Reply

#76

It's not a personal attack, Shreek, you were just all over the map on those posts: I'm agreeing with you on impeachment and then you go full DRtard on #61.

Everyone knows you don't go full ------ man...you went full ------.

#77 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-19 02:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Please explain how I'm a trumper. Can't wait to hear this.
#75 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You have no reading comprehension whatsoever.

Sitz was responding to your comment:

...your cult leader.
#37 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Sitz didn't vote for Trump, neither did I. Yet you constantly use this phrase as though it means something significant.
Then you say that I intentionally called you gay, when I didn't. You have a problem connecting words, thoughts, and their meanings.

You're really doing your best at convincing me that you'e dumb as a rock

#78 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-19 02:54 PM | Reply

And to be clear, due to your reading comprehension problem, I don't think you're faking being dumb as a rock, neither do I believe it's a ploy, or some other motive. So I'm not accusing you of being intentionally misleading.

I'm just saying that, in reality, because of some involuntary, natural deficiency, you're dumb as a rock.

#79 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-19 02:58 PM | Reply

Then you say that I intentionally called you gay, when I didn't.

#78 | Posted by SheepleSchism

"I told you, I'm not going to date you."

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism

How would I want to date you if I wasn't gay?

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-19 02:59 PM | Reply

It's not a personal attack, Shreek, you were just all over the map on those posts: I'm agreeing with you on impeachment and then you go full DRtard on #61.

Everyone knows you don't go full ------ man...you went full ------.

#77 | Posted by Rightocenter

#61 was me laughing at your suggestion that the GOP will ever turn against trump.
It's pure delusion. They didnt turn against him when he mocked POWs. Or bragged about sexual assault. Or blew up the deficit.
Trump's presidency is a result of the GOP's compliance. Every thing that trump does to this country is fully enabled by the GOP. They could end this at any time. They choose not to and they never will.
If anything does threaten trump, they attack that threat as a unified front.

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-19 03:02 PM | Reply

was me laughing at your suggestion that the GOP will ever turn against trump.

Nixon initially had numbers in the Senate that would have kept him safe. As the impeachment hearings dragged on public support for impeachment grew and grew. Nixon ultimately resigned when he was informed that he had only 16 votes in the Senate.

If Democrats could replicate their Nixon performance they'd pick up GOP votes in the Senate because Republicans, like Democrats, are political animals first and foremost.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 03:15 PM | Reply

How would I want to date you if I wasn't gay?
#80 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I always assumed you were a woman.

#83 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-19 03:21 PM | Reply

How would I want to date you if I wasn't gay?
#80 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY
I always assumed you were a woman.

#83 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

I was never certain about his sex until he flat-out said so on this thread.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Corky if impeachment makes it to the Senate and there's enough evidence Republicans can be humiliated into doing the right thing.

#85 | Posted by Tor at 2019-06-19 03:34 PM | Reply

Nixon initially had numbers in the Senate that would have kept him safe.

The Republican party wasn't traitorous scum back then.

#86 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-19 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Republican Party was the same then as it is now.

If the mood in America is overwhelmingly for impeachment the GOP Senators will vote accordingly.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 03:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

-The Republican party wasn't traitorous scum back then.

don't you ever get tired of that?

the GOP always looks better 30+ years in the rear view mirror.

not that far in the future, most folks will view GWB much more favorably than they did when he was leaving office as the worst president in the history of the US.

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-19 04:06 PM | Reply

-If the mood in America is overwhelmingly for impeachment the GOP Senators will vote accordingly.

they'll vote which ever way ensures their next re-election. Which, BTW, is the exact same criteria they used with Nixon.

They'll vote based on what is easiest to defend back in their respective home states.

They are spineless career politicians....and that, my friends, hasn't changed in a long time.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-19 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The Republican Party was the same then as it is now.

That might be the most ignorant thing i've ever seen posted here, and I read Sniper's posts.

The Republican party of the 1970s would not have tolerated a president who sold us out to foreign adversaries. Especially one as delusional as Trump.

#90 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-19 04:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

they'll vote which ever way ensures their next re-election. Which, BTW, is the exact same criteria they used with Nixon.
They'll vote based on what is easiest to defend back in their respective home states.
They are spineless career politicians....and that, my friends, hasn't changed in a long time.

#89 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Bears repeating.

a president who sold us out to foreign adversaries...

#90 | POSTED BY JOE A

That happened?

FYI - I don't give out FF's as an insult.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 04:16 PM | Reply

-The Republican party of the 1970s would not have tolerated a president who sold us out to foreign adversaries.

when Reagan convinced Iran to hold onto the hostages until after the election to screw Jimmy Carter out of re-election??

those 1970s?

#92 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-19 04:28 PM | Reply

The deal to not release the hostages until Reagan's inauguration was made in late 1980.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-19 04:32 PM | Reply

Pelosi is not a coward she's just another member of the 1%. It's about maintaining her power and with that prestige over principles.
#18 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

What was Bidens statement to the 1%? "Nothing will fundamentally change of I'm elected."

Centrist Dem candidate will lose. No matter what, this is turning out to be a win-win for the 1%.

#94 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-19 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nixon initially had numbers in the Senate that would have kept him safe. As the impeachment hearings dragged on public support for impeachment grew and grew. Nixon ultimately resigned when he was informed that he had only 16 votes in the Senate.

If Democrats could replicate their Nixon performance they'd pick up GOP votes in the Senate because Republicans, like Democrats, are political animals first and foremost.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ

Nixon was president before fox news.

In fact fox news was CREATED by roger ailes because of how he saw nixon go down. He realized if nixon had his own news network, he could have created another narrative and saved his presidency.

Nothing that happened in the 60s can be recreated today. And thinking today's repub party is as reasonable as repubs in the 60's means you are totally delusional.

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-19 05:54 PM | Reply

Here's why repubs will NEVER turn on trump:

For repubs to turn on trump now they'd be admitting that democrats were right.

And if democrats were right about trump all along and repubs were wrong all along, who's to say what ELSE democrats might be right about and repubs might be wrong about? After all, repubs were as sure about trump as they were about trickle down economics, climate denial, deregulation, etc. Admitting dems were right about trump and repubs were wrong weakens their claim to be right about any of their horsecrap beliefs. That will be avoided at all costs,
even if the cost is their integrity, their patriotism, and the future of the country. Better america fail than succeed under democratic leadership, because democrats are demons from hell.

#96 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-19 06:02 PM | Reply

[insert wine, weed, takis, Audioslave, subscribe Mark Hammil][soapbox skyscraper simulation confirmed]The 1% must be eliminated from all access to power. Not just sent underground but hunted throughout the world. Their abuse of the 99% is already beginning to have repercussions - cities are coping with increasing homelessness, but nothing like a domestic The Purge has been triggered quite yet. The 1% warfare mechanisms decimate 99% cultures for profit and inhumanity. The common ---------- activists are still targeting political puppets and not their controlling factors. From a theoretically disinterested perspective even the economic summits are limited in whom you will catch participating.

The ecosystem is collapsing because specific humans are co-opting us all as unwilling participants.

Pelosi is a moment. Trump too. These creatures will not be alive to account for the world they've groomed. Profiteering has reached an unmistakable motive, sheer butchery with made-up facts, "laws", rules of conduct, etc

Trump is impeachable because there is dirt on all Republicans, they are a criminal enterprise and enabling Donald Trump is the status quo. Approaching that position with enough stark resolution to turn them for a vote may seem too unlikely for anything less than progressive members, but the nature of their crimes dates to their inception as politicians. They may claim "legal at the time" all they want, but Republicans are incredibly traitorous profiteers above all else. Democrats hardly outpace the Republican corruption, but they do try.[/hide your kids, hide your wives and hide your husbands 'cause they raping e'rybody out here]

#97 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-19 06:46 PM | Reply

hamill heh The merry war with Shatner has been excellent!

#98 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-19 06:48 PM | Reply

As the impeachment hearings dragged on ..#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-19 03:15 PM
I'm pretty sure that the hearings that doomed Nixon were in the Senate, they couldn't have been impeachment hearings. But I could be mistaken.

#99 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-20 06:46 AM | Reply

I'm pretty sure that the hearings that doomed Nixon were in the Senate, they couldn't have been impeachment hearings. But I could be mistaken.

Posted by Avigdore

You're right. The Senate hearings were not held over the matter of impeachment. They established a Select Committee to investigate all of the events surrounding Watergate and other allegations of political spying and sabotage conducted on behalf of Nixon's re-election, and were the televised hearings where John Dean appeared.

The House had already sent up three articles of impeachment, but the Senate never voted on them. Dean's testimony pretty much sewed things up, and Nixon was delivered an ultimatum: resign or be found guilty by the Senate and removed from office.

#100 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-20 07:09 AM | Reply

The House had already sent up three articles of impeachment - #100 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-20 07:09 AM
Now that is definitely incorrect. The House Judicial Committee (only a fractional part of the House) sent articles to the House of Representatives, but the House never voted on them.

#101 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-20 10:54 AM | Reply

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