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Sunday, June 16, 2019

The Pentagon's cybercommand is taking newly aggressive steps to inject cyberweapons into Russian critical infrastructure. But they are withholding this information from the President because among other reasons they consider him a security threat and they fear he might countermand the orders or share the information with Russian officials.

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Two administration officials said they believed Mr. Trump had not been briefed in any detail about the steps to place "implants" -- software code that can be used for surveillance or attack -- inside the Russian grid.

Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction -- and the possibility that he might countermand it or discuss it with foreign officials, as he did in 2017 when he mentioned a sensitive operation in Syria to the Russian foreign minister.

If the US cybercommand can't trust the President of the United States to keep its secrets, what does that tell you?

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-16 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Last night the New York Times did its job by reporting that the United States is doing its job by finding new ways to push back against Russia's cyber attacks. It seemed pretty straightforward. The only controversial part was the revelation that the Pentagon and the U.S. intel community hesitated to tell Trump about the tactics, due to his notorious personal allegiance to Vladimir Putin over the United States. Suffice it to say that when Donald Trump learned about the New York Times story, he didn't exactly respond well.

Trump posted this ...tweet in response: "Do you believe that the Failing New York Times just did a story stating that the United States is substantially increasing Cyber Attacks on Russia. This is a virtual act of Treason by a once great paper so desperate for a story, any story, even if bad for our Country. ALSO, NOT TRUE! Anything goes with our Corrupt News Media today. They will do, or say, whatever it takes, with not even the slightest thought of consequence! These are true cowards and without doubt, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!"

Wow. Where do we even start? Why would the New York Times be committing treason by reporting a true story? How could Trump know it's supposedly false? Why would the word "treason" even be involved in a story about the United States taking active measures against a foreign government? [Is] Trump literally claiming that if the United States is being disloyal to Russia, then it's treason[?]

It's more obvious than ever that Donald Trump views himself [like] a subject of the Russian government, and not a subject of the United States government.... That's before getting to the stunning reality that the U.S. military and the U.S. intel community are having to hide things from Trump because [he acts like] a Russian asset. Bill Palmer - Analysis

Every great once in a while he actually finds a relevant nail and hammers it directly on its head.

#2 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-16 10:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If the US cybercommand can't trust the President of the United States to keep its secrets, what does that tell you?

Tells me WWIII would start without the President knowing the real reason.

Why would the New York Times be committing treason by reporting a true story?

Because maybe we want plausible deniability?

Why would the word "treason" even be involved in a story about the United States taking active measures against a foreign government?

Because it could start a war?

That's before getting to the stunning reality that the U.S. military and the U.S. intel community are having to hide things from Trump

This should worry you, not give you a hard on.

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-16 10:37 AM | Reply

because [he acts like] a Russian asset.

If he had made $450,000 on a speech then sold the Russians a Uranium copmany, and purchased intel on Hillary from Russians, and said when pressed about Russia, "The 80's called and wanted their foreign policy back", you fools, rightly so, would be having a field day, ...

Instead it was Hillary & Obama that did all of the above ... and you were silent.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-16 10:45 AM | Reply

So it is treason to talk about US actions against Iran?

I think Tony is very worried that trump is a Russian agent.

#5 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-16 10:47 AM | Reply

#1 This story seems a bit fishy to me. Couldn't the USA Intel folks just give trump a 50 page document describing the operation, knowing he would never read it.
Or are they worried he will forward it to Putin?

#6 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-16 10:50 AM | Reply

Let me see if I follow you here, Tony.

Tony cites a story about US intel hacking and sabotage of a foreign nations power grid,
without direct orders from, and without the knowledge of, the Commander in Chief.

Tony shows no concern for military and intelligence forces acting on their own,
and makes this about Trump being the security threat.

I wonder if these same people acting under their own authority can launch missiles? nukes?
But Trump is the security threat. LOL.

We're doomed by the Tonys of this world.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 10:57 AM | Reply

Why does the public / the whole world need to know about this matter to begin with?

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-16 11:03 AM | Reply

Tony shows no concern for military and intelligence forces acting on their own,
and makes this about Trump being the security threat.

Why personalize a story I have nothing to do with?

Only in your syphilitic, necrotic mind is the Pentagon "acting on their own." I get that reading comprehension and common sense are foreign to you, but you leap to nonsensical conclusions nearly every single day. As I read it, cybercommand is doing the tasks they were given BY the White House and Congress, not going rouge. What the hell do you think their job is if not to give this nation strategic cyber advantages should the need arise?

The difference is that rational adults who don't share intelligence secrets with Russians in the Oval Office have said they don't believe the President has been filled in on the details of this particular operation, although your inference seems to be that Trump is somehow fully versed on anything the government is doing that isn't directly related to his immediate need to dominate the news cycles. Where the hell did you get this fantastical idea? I'm more aligned with Bored. The easiest way to keep Trump from learning the details of something is to try and make him read reports about them.

I've never believed that Trump is a KNOWING Russian asset. I think enough evidence exists that shows him to unnaturally (for a US President) defer to Putin/Russia and act more concerned about their feelings/reactions than he is with his constitutional duty to defend this nation. After almost three years I don't believe that point is even arguable.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-16 11:18 AM | Reply

--Only in your syphilitic, necrotic mind

The cheaper the partisan, the gaudier the patter.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-16 11:23 AM | Reply

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We're doomed by the Tonys of this world.

You're doomed by your own fecking ignorance, not me. Agree or disagree, Trump signed off on their mission.

Achieve and Maintain Cyberspace Superiority - Command Vision for US Cyber Command

This document is a roadmap for USCYBERCOM to achieve and maintain superiority in cyberspace as we direct, synchronize, and coordinate cyberspace planning and operations to defend and advance national interests in collaboration with domestic and foreign partners. As a Unified Combatant Command, we will demonstrate our resolve against cyberspace threats. We will unify cyberspace operations. We will secure networks, platforms, and data. We will expand the military options available to national leaders and operational commanders.

This document supports the 2018 National Defense Strategy by posturing USCYBERCOM to counter increasingly aggressive competitors and builds on the Commander's Vision, Beyond the Build: Delivering Outcomes through Cyberspace (June 2015).

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-16 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Details kept from Trump

Tony's main point. the one he celebrates.

We're doomed.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 11:35 AM | Reply

Tony's main point. the one he celebrates.

I'm not celebrating anything, I'm lamenting the fact that our President is viewed as a national security threat by his own bureaucracy based upon his own actions!

Unless and until Trump asks for more detailed information or he expressed prior orders that said he wanted continuing updates on progress it doesn't appear anyone has done anything wrong. Trump's NSC said they had no security concerns over the NYT's reporting, so why is Balaam's donkey calling it 'virtual treason'?

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-16 11:46 AM | Reply

Oversight was delegated from the CiC to the defense secretary, then many other actions/oversights were delegated further down the chain, this was done to make the planning and approval process more nimble. This also decreases the amount of people who need to know, so that articles like this one are prevented from being published.

While the NYT article apparently sought approval from DoD before being published, was anyone's lives here improved from knowing this knowledge, versus the sacrifice of the operational security?

#14 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-16 12:33 PM | Reply

"Why personalize a story I have nothing to do with?"

It's part of his shtick now.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-16 12:45 PM | Reply

While the NYT article apparently sought approval from DoD before being published, was anyone's lives here improved from knowing this knowledge, versus the sacrifice of the operational security?

My belief is that this is an instance of the US being okay with letting the world know what both it and Russia already do through this intentional leaking of information. Putin has continually bragged about Russian cyberforces being the best in the world, so this is simply a shot across his bow, letting the world know the US isn't sitting idly by and that Russian grid infrastructure isn't as secure as they claim.

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-16 12:45 PM | Reply

- was anyone's lives here improved

Their lives are centered around burning Trump effigies and celebrating the victory.

They'll destroy the nation to get their way.

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 01:41 PM | Reply

All russia has to is read the news. Why would Trump have to say a thing?

#18 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-06-16 07:16 PM | Reply

Would ANYONE of either political persuasion be willing to step up and declare that they really believe that donald trump is a loyal american?
I personally believe that the trump cartel operates strictly on a profit vs. risk dynamic. patriotism isn't a factor

#19 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-16 07:34 PM | Reply

The St Petersburg troll patrol is all over this thread like flys on a turd.
Daddy Vlad must be demanding overtime today?

#20 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-06-16 07:35 PM | Reply

No one should kid themselves. There is a massive bureaucracy controlling life on this planet, it is the US Deep State, thousands of un-elected sleuths, spies and rats, that do whatever they want whenever they want. Our elected officials have no control over them. They are not accountable to anybody for anything they do.

#21 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-16 08:27 PM | Reply

it is the US Deep State, thousands of un-elected sleuths...

So mathematicians, engineers, and other varieties of nerds run the world? We could be worse off.

#22 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-16 08:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My belief is that this is an instance of the US being okay with letting the world know what both it and Russia already do through this intentional leaking of information.

I can see the merit of this tactic, but it sucks to imagine infrastructure in place on target systems go to waste -burned- if they're found. It takes time, money, and human ingenuity to develop those types of resources :(. All possibly wasted for the US Gov to flex a little in the media.

#23 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-16 08:55 PM | Reply

The problem is if we do this crap we have no right to complain if others do it to us.

en.wikipedia.org

#24 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-16 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem is if we do this crap we have no right to complain if others do it to us.

#24 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

Newsworthy.

Also, the same thing I've said about election meddling.

US election security begins with our respect for other nations elections.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 09:29 PM | Reply

Trump isn't much of a details guy anyway. He demands one page summaries with bullet points.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-17 12:14 AM | Reply

I'm not celebrating anything, I'm lamenting the fact that our President is viewed as a national security threat by his own bureaucracy based upon his own actions!

TONY, They're amoral traitorous scum full of Fox News and mental illness to care.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-17 02:19 AM | Reply

All you'd have to do, TONY, is replace Trump with "Obama" and they'd s--- their pants in a rush to call him what they did when he was in office - based on nothing - even though he NEVER did any of the things Trump did to usurp American democracy and sell us out to Russia, or grift America like he's doing.

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-17 02:23 AM | Reply

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