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The Trump administration, citing high rents, plans to relocate Department of Agriculture economists and scientists from Washington to the Kansas City area, which has employees up in arms.

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It's a great idea. Put the Department of Agriculture in a farm state, the Department of Energy in an energy-producing state, etc. Who would be opposed to that?

The answer, of course, is bureaucrats who don't want to leave the Washington, DC blue bubble.

#1 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-15 06:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Per the article ...

At the root of the divide driving today's politics is the notion that some states are being left behind by an economy that rewards cities and technology.

While it's difficult for workers in rural states to find jobs close to home, it's difficult for workers in some blue states to make enough money to live where they grew up.

From that standpoint, putting government jobs that pay well and require advanced education in a red state can be a good thing.

But having to move is hard on people and their families. Tearing spouses away from their own jobs and children from their schools and friends can be heartrending. Not to mention the long task of finding new doctors, places of worship and friends.

The FBI announced in November that it would move 1,350 jobs to Huntsville, Alabama, part of an expansion there that will ultimately create more than 4,000 jobs.

The Interior Department wants to move the headquarters of the Bureau of Land Management to a Western state, although most of that agency's employees already work outside DC Beltway.

As the center of a government that represents all 50 states, Washington and its surroundings are often seen as the temporary landing base for transplants. Uprooting them, however, can be difficult business.


Per the above VOX video, it's a great idea to move much of the Federal Government out of Washington D.C. to Midwestern Cities -- and Democrats should embrace this idea, run with it, and claim it as their own.

Also, it's a mistake to view all this as a Blue state vs. Red state thing -- reality dictates that all this is about jobs, and the Midwest has been economically [and socially] pummeled for decades.

What cuts thru all this are jobs, something that, again, Democrats should use as a blunt political instrument to make political hay out of ... with the added benefit that they are federal jobs in economically neglected areas of the country.

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 06:23 PM | Reply

"The answer, of course, is bureaucrats who don't want to leave the Washington, DC blue bubble."

The guy who lives in a blue bubble has spoken!
What's so damn nice about living in blue bubbles, it even ensnares people who hate them?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 06:29 PM | Reply

"and the Midwest has been economically [and socially] pummeled for decades."

Yeah, well, they do keep voting for it, so...

"The beatings will continue until morale improves"
--GOP economic policy for people not in the top tier of the economy

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 06:31 PM | Reply

- Move to Kansas City or lose your job. They stood and turned their backs

That's your choice. You're welcome to change your mind before the move.

Otherwise, start clearing your desks out.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 06:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

It's a great jobs program for Kansas City, assuming there are people in Kansas City with these kinds of skills in the first place, which naturally there are, but it will also bring in some newcomers and pay them above median incomes.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 06:38 PM | Reply

It's a great idea. Put the Department of Agriculture in a farm state, the Department of Energy in an energy-producing state, etc. Who would be opposed to that?

The answer, of course, is bureaucrats who don't want to leave the Washington, DC blue bubble.

#1 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Actually, the USDA should be in Des Moines, IA, ... but I'm happy to see Kansas City be the destination.

Department of Commerce = Detroit

Department of Health and Human Service = Minneapolis (to partner with the Minneapolis VA and the Mayo Clinic)

Department of Labor = Wisconsin

Department of Transportation = Cleveland

Department of Education = Cincinnati

Department of Energy = Oklahoma


C'mon Democrats, get tough for a change.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 06:43 PM | Reply

Spreading it out sounds like a great idea. It takes gov't out to the people.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, well, they do keep voting for it, so...

#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're right, but how do we turn all this around ...

Leadership -- and Democrats need to show some.

Remember, most Americans don't have a college education. So for Democrats to reach these voters they have to first go where the votes are and fight for these people with the idea of good paying jobs that will improve their lives.

#9 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 06:50 PM | Reply

"- Move to Kansas City or lose your job. They stood and turned their backs"

That's your choice. You're welcome to change your mind before the move.

Otherwise, start clearing your desks out.

#5 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

You do understand that CNN is doing a poor job framing this story, right?

The villains are not the federal workers upset about their lives being uprooted.

I mean, c'mon, chucklehead ... exercise some critical thinking skills for a change. Same goes for the two doofuses who flagged your post as "newsworthy".

#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 07:25 PM | Reply

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#10 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

I was considering this, for starters:

"Among the main reasons in favor of the move is that Kansas City is closer to the heartland. But a more obvious reason is that it will save $300 million over 15 years, according to the USDA. Office space is cheaper in Kansas City, and so are salaries in the long run."

I'm all for saving money in gov't, and I like the idea of spreading gov't out.

In todays world, with VoIP and Skype Business, in person meetings are becoming less of a thing. Business travel is being replaced with teleconferencing, and there's just less need for everything to be contained in a single city, especially where costs are astronomical.

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 07:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--You do understand that CNN is doing a poor job framing this story, right?

They're not spinning it enough in favor of entitled bureaucrats?

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-15 07:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They're not spinning it enough in favor of entitled bureaucrats?

#12 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Working Americans pissed off about their lives being uprooted, that's not the story.

CNN should frame the story they way Vox frames the situation as a whole ... you know, entire regions of America economically neglected for effing decades. This is the reality.

And, the entitled bureaucrats are the Elaine Chao's and Mitch McConnell's who are looting the U.S. Treasury and enriching themselves with mega-sweetheart deals with China (just one example), all with the criminal connivance of Trump and the entire GOP Establishment.

But keep on trying to blame federal workers making an annual salary of $80,000 for their situation, douchebag.

#13 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 07:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--CNN should frame the story they way Vox frames the situation as a whole .

Yeah I bet you would like that. Put a socialist slant on it.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-15 07:55 PM | Reply

Yeah I bet you would like that. Put a socialist slant on it.

#14 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Lame

We agree on the premise -- moving as much as the D.C. government out of the beltway.

But you want to put your slant on it -- a slant that is both stupid and dysfunctional.

And I have decades of economic evidence that says I'm right and you're wrong.

I'm all for fiscal responsibility and efficient government. Especially with the trillions of dollars of free government money constantly doled out to millionaires and billionaires when the money could be used for ... I dunno ... things that help us all?

You need to evolve in both your thinking and your personal politics.

#15 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Per the above VOX video, it's a great idea to move much of the Federal Government out of Washington D.C. to Midwestern Cities -- and Democrats should embrace this idea, run with it, and claim it as their own.

Also, it's a mistake to view all this as a Blue state vs. Red state thing -- reality dictates that all this is about jobs, and the Midwest has been economically [and socially] pummeled for decades.

/co-sign.

"What do they have to lose?"
The difference in GS location pay.

#16 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-15 08:26 PM | Reply

"What do they have to lose?"
The difference in GS location pay.

#16 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Question: How many times have Republicans froze federal worker's pay?

Answer: about a zillion times.

Question: who are America's villains?

Answer: effing douchebags who steal from the U.S. Treasury

#17 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 08:40 PM | Reply

- Question: How many times have Republicans froze federal worker's pay?

I was out of work for a little over a year in 2010-2011 when Obama froze gov't IT-telecom contracts.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 08:46 PM | Reply

I was out of work for a little over a year in 2010-2011 when Obama froze gov't IT-telecom contracts.

#18 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Obama froze my pay during that time ...

That said, who hates government and constantly does everything in their power to sabotage it?

I'm giving you adult dialogue ... we have to be grown up about admitting who the villains are.

#19 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 08:58 PM | Reply

"What do they have to lose?"
The difference in GS location pay.
#16 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

LOL!!!
Even with that, dollars are going to go a lot further in Kansas City than The Beltway.
About the only thing you'll find that's better in Kansas City than Washington, D.C. is the chances of your local NFL franchise making the playoffs.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 09:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

- we have to be grown up about admitting who the villains are.
#19 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

We're not being represented well by either party. Our system of gov't is nearly broken.

Either massive change or massive unrest is the future. I'd prefer change.

#21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 10:11 PM | Reply

Dems will just reverse the policy once they win the presidency. When they do, they MUST treat republicans as they have been treated.

#22 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-06-16 06:46 AM | Reply

California ranks first in the United States for agricultural cash receipts followed by Iowa, Texas, Nebraska and Illinois. So the logical move would be California but any of the other four States would reduce rent.

But, it has never made any sense for the Federal Government to rent anything. It should own every building it occupies, including the Post Office.

#23 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-16 10:10 AM | Reply

This is a pretty transparent effort to force civil servants to leave government service rather than move. It is a passive layoff of those who do not wish to uproot their families.

The more folks who refuse the move, the more Trump lackeys can be hired.

It is the beginning of the Trump purge.

#24 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-06-16 05:23 PM | Reply

You do understand that CNN is doing a poor job framing this story, right?
The villains are not the federal workers upset about their lives being uprooted.
I mean, c'mon, chucklehead ... exercise some critical thinking skills for a change. Same goes for the two doofuses who flagged your post as "newsworthy".
#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf

Care to explain that stooped post?

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-06-17 09:42 AM | Reply

Hell, move them. If they don't want to go, they can quit. Something I was unable to do in 22 years in the Army. I was not consulted upon where I was going. They sent me were they felt I was needed. If a plant closes, and is moved to another state, the workers at that plant mostly just-------- off. Civil Service Employees at least have the option of keeping their job.

#26 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-17 10:12 AM | Reply

Civil Service Employees at least have the option of keeping their job.

#26 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Civil Servants are Americans.

And civil servants have laws that protect them from the whims of Narcissistic wanna be fascists like Humpy.

You can't just tell civil servants you have to move or lose your job.much. Like you Deplorables would like. Apparently. They can move OR take another job locally. Priority Placement Program. PPP. It will cost the Government a fortune to buy their houses and move them and then buy them new houses.

Go for it humpy.

In many cases this is financially beneficial to the employees especially going from a high cost of living area to a lower cost area. So many will love it. And be better off because of it. But some cannot move for personal reasons. Like family ties. Or school. Or whatever.

It is so sad to see how the deplorables have been trained to treat their fellow Americans. Much less brown people.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-17 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

About the only thing you'll find that's better in Kansas City than Washington, D.C. is the chances of your local NFL franchise making the playoffs. #20 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The Ravens are usually close to contention, but they're a little further away from DC. I've heard good things about Kansas City BBQ, while DC BBQ is hipster trash food. If you can't smell the smoker from outside the restaurant, it isn't going to be great.

#28 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-06-17 11:43 AM | Reply

-About the only thing you'll find that's better in Kansas City than Washington, D.C. is the chances of your local NFL franchise making the playoffs.

False.

not even close to true....I'm not coming down on DC but KC has great neighborhoods, less traffic, better cost of living, great schools (in Johnson Co, KS), restaurants, culture, international airport, etc....and yes, there is a lot of AG in Kansas City and the surrounding 100 miles.

This is a great move. I'll think once many of those employees visit and learn about KC, they'll be pleasantly surprised.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-17 11:47 AM | Reply

In todays world, with VoIP and Skype Business, in person meetings are becoming less of a thing

Except Sonny Perdue dramatically curtailed the USDA's telework policy. So moving these people to KC means they actually have to be there.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-17 11:58 AM | Reply

This is a pretty transparent effort to force civil servants to leave government service rather than move. It is a passive layoff of those who do not wish to uproot their families.

Exactly. And who better to target than scientists?

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-17 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This has been discussed before, but the problem with moving and entire family these days is that most families are dual income. So any possible coast savings for the family from the cost of living decrease are easily lost if your spouse isn't able to find a comparable job in their field.

#32 | Posted by schmanch at 2019-06-17 12:03 PM | Reply

#26 | Posted by docnjo, laid is a no no word as in laid off? How about terminated employment?

#33 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-17 12:23 PM | Reply

KC has much better BBQ than DC.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-17 12:56 PM | Reply

- KC BBQ

Sauce w/ some meat.

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-17 01:24 PM | Reply

If you want to spend less than 100 bucks for a dinner for two, KC beats DC all to hell.

#36 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-17 01:25 PM | Reply

- KC BBQ

Sauce w/ some meat.

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-17 01:24 PM

Let me guess. You've never eaten KC bbq.

#37 | Posted by morris at 2019-06-17 02:21 PM | Reply

The Z-Man sandwich at Oklahoma Joe's (in KC) is some of the best BBQ i've ever had. It consists of smoked brisket, smoked provolone cheese, fried onion rings and bbq sauce.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-17 02:27 PM | Reply

Gates, Jackstack. all great places.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-17 02:29 PM | Reply

-It will cost the Government a fortune to buy their houses and move them and then buy them new houses.

All kinds of organizations move employees for strategic and financial reasons.

It doesn't have to be that expensive to move folks. You understand it's not really as expensive as buying 2 houses right?

Ever move with a full relocation package and a vendor handling everything?

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-17 02:31 PM | Reply

In KC you can say this with impunity:

"What in the wide wild world of sports is goin' on here??? I hired you men to get some track laid; not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City -------!"

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-17 02:32 PM | Reply

Besides being Missouri?

#42 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-06-17 03:56 PM | Reply

But...

We are going to move anyone whose research takes into account the effects of climate change. That way, when half of them don't move, we can replace them with people who don't believe in it and won't write policies with it in mind!

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-06-17 04:22 PM | Reply

One thing not mentioned in this thread is the concept that "field offices" in the federal government are typically the red-headed stepchild of their agency, as they are out of sight, out of mind and cannot walk across the street to get someone's attention.

It makes sense that conservatives would want to silence an arm of the USDA that deals in science and research, and that they'd want to reduce its size by attrition because nobody wants to live in KC. It'd be nice if they were honest about that instead of pretending to be fiscal conservatives.

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-18 09:33 AM | Reply

#44 | Posted by JOE There are over 150 thousand people that might disagree with you. Kansas City is actually a pretty nice place.

#45 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-18 11:05 AM | Reply

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