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I hope someone is investigating this account to either verify or debunk it:

Elizabeth C. McLaughlin @ECMcLaughlin

IF YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT TRUMP IS

DOING AT THE BORDER, you need to read and share this thread.

@jacobsoboroff @JuliaEAinsley please read this.

I have just gotten off the phone with a friend who is a legal volunteer in Border Patrol facilities.

Don't look away.
/1

My friend has done two tours now volunteering as a legal advocate inside CBP facilities.

She passed along information about what is happening there that indicates that the Trump Administration is violating every basic human right, and is moving toward military "solutions."
/2

CBP then transfers these human beings to a facility called "the Dog Pound." (Here, my friend started crying.)

The "Dog Pound" is comprised of cages, outside and on dirt, with no protection from the elements.

Don't look away.

4/

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#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 11:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

FTA:

"But DHS has said its detention arm, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, is at its maximum capacity of about 52,000 because of the ongoing surge of migrants at the border. As a result, CBP is holding more than 30,000 people in its facilities, according to DHS."

Just weeks ago, you hysterical loons were claiming that Trump was "making up" the crisis at the border. CNN reputed from a section of the wall saying, "we don't see anything here". When Trump sent troops, this place went berserk claiming it was all a political play for the base. Now suddenly, you see the the overcrowded and maxed out shelters and cry about that.

Immigrant activists funded by Dem money intentionally created this crisis to flood the border and overwhelm the resources. You're using human beings as props to wage your war of hate against Trump because that B!+c# lost. There better be an investigation into the flow of money. There better be a reckoning.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Trump manufactures crises all the time, so it is hard to take his word for anything or by extension the word of his DHS. OTOH, I don't want to take the word from an unverified source. That's why I said this account needs to be investigated:

Elizabeth C. McLaughlin @ECMcLaughlin

From "The Freezer," refugees are supposed to be moved to ICE facilities that are designed for residential care. They have beds, food, bathrooms.

However, (keep reading) THOSE FACILITIES ARE EMPTY.

ICE IS SHUTTING THEM DOWN.

Don't look away.

10/

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 11:49 PM | Reply

- Trump manufactures crises all the time

Name them.

The fact is that Dems and media hysteria has been at the root of crisis manufacturing for 2 1/2 years now.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Mexico Arrested Two Caravan Organizers Amid Pressure From The Trump Administration To Stop Immigrants - www.buzzfeednews.com

"Irineo Mujica, the director of Pueblo Sin Fronteras, was arrested Wednesday in the Mexican state of Sonora, and Cristóbal Sánchez, the founder of Migrant Culture Collective, was arrested at his home by plainclothes officers.

In a statement, Mexican prosecutors said two Honduran immigrants in April and May told authorities that Mujica and Sánchez promised to bring them into Mexico illegally, take them to the northern border, and smuggle them into the United States in exchange for money.

Mujica is accused of transporting immigrants, including children, while Sánchez is accused of helping people enter Mexico without legal documentation."

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She passed along information about what is happening there that indicates that the Trump Administration is violating every basic human right, and is moving toward military "solutions."

The bloated child rapist is the perfect representative for the garbage who voted for him.

#6 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-06-14 01:47 PM | Reply

Remember when the mouth-breathers claimed that Obama had a gulag of vacant Walmart stores throughout Texas and illegals were being housed there? Such conditions would be considered plush compared to the horror show that Der Dotard and his toadies and minions are conducting. Glad the US is no longer for human rights--we might seem a bit hypocritical. Now that bigotry is ascendant, those on the right need not worry about being judged for their actions when it comes to those teeming masses, yearning to be free...

#7 | Posted by catdog at 2019-06-14 05:27 PM | Reply

When Trump sent troops, this place went berserk claiming it was all a political play for the base. Now suddenly, you see the the overcrowded and maxed out shelters and cry about that.

If you can't differentiate between the responses to the two different occurrences you're more of a fkkked up Trumpublican than I gave you credit for.

I'm okay with people coming to America. Especially if they are coming seeking asylum and plan to enter legally.

I'm not okay with putting people into camps and cages.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 05:47 PM | Reply

- I'm okay with people coming to America.

Metoo.

What leads you to believe that people seeking asylum and planning to enter legally are being placed in camps and cages?

Is there a link for that?

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 06:02 PM | Reply

What leads you to believe that people seeking asylum and planning to enter legally are being placed in camps and cages?

Is there a link for that?

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Oh Poor you Comrade! Are you still learning to use the Googles?

"Two members of Congress, along with 15 asylum seekers and leaders from immigrant activist group Families Belong Together, were caged together overnight at the Otay Mesa port of entry near San Diego. The group intended to observe how detained migrants are treated when attempting to claim asylum."

"CBP agents told the representatives repeatedly that their group could not be processed that day due to "capacity issues." When asked for proof, agents refused to show the extent to which the Otay Mesa facility was full."

"CBP female officers sitting here as part of their shift on the job talking about how migrant refugees seeking asylum as criminals and how bad they are. And then we wonder why asylum seekers are not treated with dignity and respect. It's makes me sick. Still here at midnight.

-- Nanette D. Barragán (@RepBarragan) December 18, 2018"

Update: @CBP built a cage around us and has kept us in it the entire night. We've been here with @RepBarragan, @RepJimmyGomez, and 6 asylum seekers for 15 hours. #RefugeesWelcome pic.twitter.com/UyrVbzQbzf

-- Families Belong Together (@fams2gether) December 18, 2018

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#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-14 06:07 PM | Reply

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- Trump manufactures crises all the time

Name them.

Oh pleeze, ------!

The crisis at the border is on Donald J Trump. Period. End of story. No if and's or butts.

The "crisis" could have been avoided.

The crisis at the border became a crisis as soon as DJT got involved as soon he started ramping up the hateful rhetoric. The crisis at the border is a crisis because DJT WANTS it to be a crisis.

The longer it is a crisis the better it is for DJT.

The Crisis is by design.

Period.

No link. No citation necessary. Only a functional brain.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-14 06:14 PM | Reply

"What leads you to believe that people seeking asylum and planning to enter legally are being placed in camps and cages?
#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism"

For me, it's the asylum seekers in cages.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What was their legal port of entry? Did they first enter the US on a work or tourist visa?

Did they file a form I-589, and if so, when and with whom?

Links required.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 06:26 PM | Reply

"What was their legal port of entry? Did they first enter the US on a work or tourist visa?"

You can't Google it?
Oh well.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 06:27 PM | Reply

From the article, it looks like it was "the Paso del Norte CBP processing center."
www.cbp.gov
(I googled it)

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 06:29 PM | Reply

From the article, it looks like it was "the Paso del Norte CBP processing center."
www.cbp.gov
(I googled it)

#15 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Did your link answer my questions? No? How about the article?

From the article I don't see any reference to legal entry or visa holders.

What I do see are people being detained and processed. Do you have any evidence that these people presented themselves at a legal port of entry, produced required paperwork, requested asylum, at which point they were locked into cages?

Can someone being detained withdraw their request and be escorted back to the Mexican border? Are they there voluntarily or being held against their will?
Are they being detained because of illegal entry?

So many links required.

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 06:54 PM | Reply

So many links required.

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You will need a link to your brain first.

Let us know when you finally establish it.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-14 06:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You can't Google it?
Oh well.

#14 | Posted by snoofy

You must forgive our Comrade.

In Russia you do not use google, or Russia googles YOU!

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-14 07:01 PM | Reply

So many links required.

There are not enough links in the entire internet to change a closed mind like yours.

Sheep reminds us some are intellectual boulders. There's no use convincing them. Better just to step over them and keep moving.

#19 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-06-14 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19 | POSTED BY ZARNON

You couldn't be more wrong.

I've gone into great detail here on legal immigration being necessary for the protection of seasonal migrants, refugees, and asylum seekers. The current method of crossing illegally and remain in hiding while working illegally is a recipe for slave labor, human trafficking, and abuse in hundreds of ways.

We don't want our country to harbor a secret underclass of menial laborers, being paid substandard wages, subject to harsh working conditions, with no workplace safety or training, while dodging police and living in fear in the shadows.

I despise the exploitation of peoples for labor and sex trafficking be it here or anywhere.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 07:30 PM | Reply

"The current method of crossing illegally and remain in hiding while working illegally is a recipe for slave labor, human trafficking, and abuse in hundreds of ways."

"Remain in hiding."

Who is in hiding? California gives them driver's licenses. Are they hiding while driving?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:32 PM | Reply

"Do you have any evidence that these people presented themselves at a legal port of entry, produced required paperwork, requested asylum, at which point they were locked into cages?"

What's a legal port of entry?
What's the required paperwork?
What constitutes an asylum request?
What kind of locks are on the cages, and do you have mechanical evidence they are actually locked?

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:36 PM | Reply

#22 www.usa.gov

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 07:38 PM | Reply

"Do you have any evidence that these people presented themselves at a legal port of entry, produced required paperwork, requested asylum, at which point they were locked into cages?"

Let's say they produced the required paperwork, but it's taking a long time to process, maybe because of some kind of a nationwide job walkout to protest the Second Amendment or something, I dunno. The reason doesn't matter.

So, while the paperwork is being processed to see if it meets the requirements, lock them in cages?

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:38 PM | Reply

"Do you have any evidence that these people presented themselves at a legal port of entry, produced required paperwork, requested asylum, at which point they were locked into cages?"

Let's just clear something up:
If any of these are absent, the correct policy is to lock them in cages, with separate cages for the minors and their purported parents or guardians?
Yes or no.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:43 PM | Reply

I despise the exploitation of peoples for labor and sex trafficking be it here or anywhere.

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism

No you dont. You defend the trump party every day and the exploitation of peoples is there whole game. And you attack the party that does more to stop the exploitation of peoples.

You can't be both a progressive and a trump defender. You put way more work into defending trump than promoting anything progressive.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 07:45 PM | Reply

- Let's say...

Is speculation. We could also speculate that this "cage" is actually a fenced in courtyard. Or that they've been there 3 days, not a month. Or that they were outside in the courtyard that day, but slept inside. That they were on day #3 of their processing, and are now no longer there.

All you or I can do is speculate.

I don't have any evidence either way. Do you?

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 07:46 PM | Reply

"I don't have any evidence either way."

The article is evidence.
Yes or no.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:50 PM | Reply

- No you don't.
#26 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I've stated my position. I oppose illegal immigration for humanitarian reasons.

I genuinely support legal immigration and asylum for refugees, also for humanitarian reasons.

The only way to do it right, is to do it legally.

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 07:51 PM | Reply

"I've stated my position. I oppose illegal immigration for humanitarian reasons."

Do you think we don't share this position?
LOL

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:52 PM | Reply

"The only way to do it right, is to do it legally."

Dred Scott thanks you for your support.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:53 PM | Reply

"I genuinely support legal immigration and asylum for refugees, also for humanitarian reasons."

But you'd send them to cages while their paperwork is being processed, and separate the children from their purported parents or guardians?

Yes or no.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 07:54 PM | Reply

I oppose illegal immigration for humanitarian reasons.

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Suddenly you're a humanitarian. I dont recall you being much of a humanitarian about trump taking babies from their parents at the border.

#33 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 07:58 PM | Reply

How did Obama do it?

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:00 PM | Reply

- trump taking babies from their parents

Outdoor fetuses?

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:01 PM | Reply

#33 the shtick is, since up to 1/3 of children crossing the border illegally are being trafficked for sex, it's actually more humanitarian to separate all children from their so-called "parents."
This is what Docnjo will tell you, for example.
You're the monster, for wanting to let child traffickers into the country.
See how that works?

As you may have noticed, but still have a difficult time reconciling, facts are not persuasive to some people here. But since facts are important to you, expect to be inundated with questions about various unrelated facts, as a distraction.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 08:03 PM | Reply

I'm sure it's important to the third of children being sex trafficked that they be separated from their captors.

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:06 PM | Reply

And the two-thirds that aren't?
Why separate them from their parents or guardians?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Outdoor fetuses?

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism

How many hours has it been since you denied being anti choice?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 08:15 PM | Reply

And the two-thirds that aren't?
Why separate them from their parents or guardians?

#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

There needs to be a means of verification for the safety of the kids. Wouldn't you agree?

But I would advocate for parents and their children to remain together.

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:20 PM | Reply

How many hours has it been since you denied being anti choice?

#39 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Politically, I'm pro-choice. I have no desire to legislate abortion.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:21 PM | Reply

"Politically, I'm pro-choice."

What other kinds are there?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 08:23 PM | Reply

"There needs to be a means of verification for the safety of the kids."

Barring that, just separate them all?
Yes or no.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 08:24 PM | Reply

"Politically, I'm pro-choice. I have no desire to legislate abortion.
#41 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

Then why do you keep interjecting your personal disdain for abortion into the political discussion about abortion?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 08:27 PM | Reply

- just separate them all?

You would leave a child with an adult who can't prove paternity or legal guardianship?

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:30 PM | Reply

#44 I have a personal disdain and a separate political-legal position.

Is that odd to you?

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:31 PM | Reply

I also don't care for those Disneyland child harness-leash things.

But I'll never suggest legislation to ban them, I just wouldn't use one.

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:35 PM | Reply

You would leave a child with an adult who can't prove paternity or legal guardianship?

Yes.

Would you separate a child from a parent that can't prove they are family?

How many documents would you require? What types of documents would you accept?

Would you be able to tell the difference between a forged document and a real one?

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 08:36 PM | Reply

I also don't care for those Disneyland child harness-leash things.

Yea, but you wouldn't spend the entire day posting in a thread, complaining about them either.

Your obsession with certain topics contradicts your attempts to pretend you don't care.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 08:40 PM | Reply

"I have a personal disdain and a separate political-legal position."

-Hillary Clinton

#50 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-06-14 08:42 PM | Reply

- contradicts your attempts to pretend you don't care.

I care and I also have a legal-political position.

Is that allowed? Do I need to declare that at the DMV?

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:54 PM | Reply

#48 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I would want our gov't to do everything possible to verify that children are safe.

Wouldn't you?

But as for children and parents, I would want to keep them together at all costs.

#52 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 08:58 PM | Reply

Politically, I'm pro-choice. I have no desire to legislate abortion.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism

YOu're pro choice, you just repeat anti choice propaganda about fetuses being the same as people.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 08:59 PM | Reply

But as for children and parents, I would want to keep them together at all costs.

#52 | Posted by SheepleSchism

UNless that cost involved electing democrats. You want to keep the parents with their kids, so you campaign every day for the party that wants to separate them.

Just tell us you have split personalities so we can stop wasting time with your disease.

#54 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 09:01 PM | Reply

I have no desire to get in the way of you killing your baby, Speaks.

#55 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:03 PM | Reply

I care and I also have a legal-political position.

What I'm saying is, you don't just care, you're obsessed, to the point where you're posting dozens of times in certain threads.

#56 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 09:04 PM | Reply

- UNless that cost involved electing democrats.

You don't need my vote, you just need enough votes..

Your sweet-talking me isn't helping.

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:05 PM | Reply

#56 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I indulge your, Snoofy's, and Speaks obsession with me.

It's you three mainly, plus occasionally Yav and Redial,

that follow me from thread to thread.

I mean look, here you are Clownshack.

#58 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:08 PM | Reply

I would want our gov't to do everything possible to verify that children are safe.
Wouldn't you?
But as for children and parents, I would want to keep them together at all costs.

How would you differentiate between a mother and her son. And sex traffickers and their acquisitions?

Also, I wasn't aware there was such a high demand for child sex slave here in America. What's that about? Is it an exaggeration to get people to freak out?

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 09:08 PM | Reply

I indulge your, Snoofy's, and Speaks obsession with me.

Oh, so you're doing it for me?

You're like the giving tree.

that follow me from thread to thread.

Is there a thread you don't post in? What's the longest you've gone between posting? 6 hours for sleep? 5 hours for sleep?

I mean look, here you are Clownshack.

Perhaps try not posting such abject stupidity and we wouldn't have to correct you all the time.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 09:11 PM | Reply

There's way too many links to post - www.google.com

Seriously, there are some really good articles. I remember the ones from NYT, Intercept, TIME, and others. There's a lot of eye-opening info.

#61 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:12 PM | Reply

Perhaps try not posting such abject stupidity and we wouldn't have to correct you all the time.

#60 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Clown, you know as well as I do that 75% of this site is jokes, putdowns, word plays, and besting each other.

The rest is "I'm right, you're wrong" , "I know you are, but what am I", and the a few epic rant melt downs.

Only about 5-8% discussion.

#62 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why not take a swing at #59?

#63 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 09:17 PM | Reply

How would you differentiate familial relationships?

We have the technology.

#64 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:22 PM | Reply

We have the technology.

What? DNA testing?

You're gonna test every family at the border?

Why not instead track the sex traffickers and bust them at their destinations.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 09:23 PM | Reply

"- just separate them all?
You would leave a child with an adult who can't prove paternity or legal guardianship?
#45 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

See what I mean?
Separate them all.
It's for their own safety.
They think they are on the moral high ground, by separating all children.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 09:26 PM | Reply

I'd rather test everyone at the border and provide them a full medical if possible.

I wouldn't just let kids go anywhere with a trafficker. You would?

#67 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:28 PM | Reply

#66 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

So you'd rather err on the side of the traffickers?

#68 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:29 PM | Reply

Do you just look into their eyes Snoofy?

Is that how you tell?

#69 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:30 PM | Reply

"I would want our gov't to do everything possible to verify that children are safe."

"Everything possible" sets a deliberately unreachable standard, for the purposes of not reaching it, and then applying a blanket policy of separation... for their safety, of course!

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 09:32 PM | Reply

Your sweet-talking me isn't helping.

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yeah as if you're on the fence and will be convinced to oppose trump if someone is nice enough to you.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 09:33 PM | Reply

DNA testing would solve the problem I'm sure.

#72 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:34 PM | Reply

"So you'd rather err on the side of the traffickers?
#68 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

This is exactly what I'm talking about in #70.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 09:34 PM | Reply

#71 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

At this point, as I've already said elsewhere,

I'd vote for Bernie or Warren. I haven't heard enough yet from the others to know.

I definitely won't vote for Biden.

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:36 PM | Reply

"DNA testing would solve the problem I'm sure.
#72 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

Sp you'd just let parents traffick their own children.

Why???

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 09:38 PM | Reply

"Everything possible" sets a deliberately unreachable standard, for the purposes of not reaching it, and then applying a blanket policy of separation... for their safety, of course!

#70 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Are you for protecting any of the kids or questioning any of the relationships?
Or are you just willing to accept whatever people say to be true, regardless of the potential consequences?

You see Snoofy, all it takes is preventing one trafficker from raping a kid to make it worth the effort.
It's even better if it's a third of the kids - numbered in the thousands. Thousands of kids Snoofy.

Don't you believe they deserve protection and safety?

#76 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:41 PM | Reply

#75 now you're just being ridiculous.

#77 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 09:43 PM | Reply

I wouldn't just let kids go anywhere with a trafficker. You would?

It follows the same logic of busting people who hire illegal immigrants.

If you end the incentive you end the desire to come here.

If there are actually people in this country buying children for sexual relations, I believe it's extremely important to identify and -------- them.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 09:51 PM | Reply

I definitely won't vote for Biden.

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism

That's how we know you're a fake troll.

No person who actually cares about humanitarianism, the environment, the poor, etc would take trump over biden.

#79 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 09:53 PM | Reply

sheeple didn't vote for bernie, he voted against Hillary.

#80 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-06-14 09:54 PM | Reply

"Are you for protecting any of the kids"

All of the kids

"or questioning any of the relationships?

All of the relationships.

"Or are you just willing to accept whatever people say to be true, regardless of the potential consequences?"

I generally take people at their word, but I'm not unaware there are people like you who choose their words carefully to mask their intentions.

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 09:56 PM | Reply

"#75 now you're just being ridiculous."

I'm not being the tiniest bit ridiculous.
If you accept the DNA evidence, then you'll accept children staying with parents who are trafficking them.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 09:57 PM | Reply

That's how we know you're a fake troll.
No person who actually cares about humanitarianism, the environment, the poor, etc would take trump over biden.

#79 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. This is how I know you're dumb as a rock.

#83 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 10:34 PM | Reply

Illegal alien sob story of the day.

#84 | Posted by willowby at 2019-06-15 04:44 PM | Reply

Willowby found his fap material.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 04:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sp you'd just let parents traffick their own children. Why???
#75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If you accept the DNA evidence, then you'll accept children staying with parents who are trafficking them.
#82 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Willowby found his fap material.
#85 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Deception. Disingenuous. False equivalence. Red herrings and gull bait.
It's all you ever bring to the table. The intellectual coward is you.

You're not capable enough to win an honest debate. When you're not assigning false positions, you're building straw men.
And yes, you do lie, by intentional omission and word twisting. Fact. sniveling liar.

#86 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That is all just the bitter fruit of the seed you planted here:

"I'm sure it's important to the third of children being sex trafficked that they be separated from their captors.
#37 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

And the two-thirds that aren't?
Why separate them from their parents or guardians?
#38 | POSTED BY SNOOFY"

I ask again,
And the two-thirds that aren't?
What should be done, separation or keep them together?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 06:02 PM | Reply

Parents and their children should always be kept together if at all possible.

The question really is, how does one determine if a child is with a parent, guardian, a kidnapper, or sex trafficker?

How would you go about making that determination?

#88 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 06:29 PM | Reply

"How would you go about making that determination?"

The way Obama did.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 06:34 PM | Reply

Why do you support the current policy as an improvement over the way Obama did it?

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 06:39 PM | Reply

LOL. of course.

You're not capable of anything but copping pleas.

"The way Obama did it"
"Whats in Roe"
"What he said"

You won't take a stand because you know it's cement.
Talk about intellectual coward. You're the spitting image.

Let me know when you grow enough hair to answer the question, -----.

#91 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 06:41 PM | Reply

The question really is, how does one determine if a child is with a parent, guardian, a kidnapper, or sex trafficker?

How would you go about making that determination?

#92 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 06:42 PM | Reply

I visited the humane society today. The dogs, cats and rabbits are kept in better conditions.

#93 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-06-15 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The question really is, how does one determine if a child is with a parent, guardian, a kidnapper, or sex trafficker?
How would you go about making that determination?
#92 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

The issue isn't how that determination is made.

The issue is you don't think it's capable of being made, which is why you are left with no recourse but to endorse a blanket policy of separating all children.

By contrast, I think the determination can be made, so I favor making that determination, and I'm generally comfortable with he way it was made under the Obama administration, because it suits my goal of keeping families united, while also prioritizing the safety and well-being of children.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 07:54 PM | Reply

- The issue isn't how that determination is made.

Sure it is. Almost everything you do in America is dependent upon you proving who you are, and YOU'RE an American citizen.

- The issue is you don't think it's capable of being made

And then you assign me a position, which is the only way you're able to draw the conclusion that you've determined to draw from the beginning,
which is: "you are left with no recourse but to endorse a blanket policy of separating all children"

The rest of your statement is a non-answer void of any specifics in how exactly you propose going about making that determination -avoiding the question

I'll ask you one last time; How would you go about making that determination?

#95 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 08:11 PM | Reply

"And then you assign me a position, which is the only way you're able to draw the conclusion that you've determined to draw from the beginning"

You seem to be intent on never advancing past square one.

What's your position on the current policy of separating migrant families?

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 08:54 PM | Reply

"The rest of your statement is a non-answer void of any specifics in how exactly you propose going about making that determination -avoiding the question"

I'm not avoiding the question.

"The way Obama did it" is a perfectly serviceable answer.

It's like if I were to ask you "How would you like your steak?" and you say "I'll take it the way Trump likes it!"

Even if I don't know how Trump likes his steak, I have enough information to work with. Because the information is at my fingertips. And as your'e an IT Professional, I'm confident you have the skills to retrieve it.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 08:58 PM | Reply

I didn't expect an answer and you didn't disappoint.

I expected exactly what you served up; a soft-stool ice-cream sundae, covered with enough sprinkles and confetti that nobody can tell that it's really just a mushy turd in a cup.

You took more time and care to shuck-and-jive with your Trump steak illustration than it would to have just answered the question directly. But of course, cement is heavy, and you can never get out of it. Hence, you not taking a position, except for the mealy mouth "Obama's way" which could mean anything and nothing at the same time.

You're a fraud, Snoofy. But mostly, an intellectual coward.

#98 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 09:36 PM | Reply

There is no fraud or cowardice in anything I've said.

I don't know the specifics of how Obama kept families together, just like I don't know the specifics of what goes making a McDonald's French fry.

But I don't need to know that to tell you why I like McDonald's fries better than the ones from Burger King.

I don't support a policy of separating all migrant children from their parents or guardians.

Do you? If so, why?

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 09:53 PM | Reply

- I don't support a policy of separating all migrant children from their parents or guardians.

I don't support ANY children being separated from their parents.

Do we have any evidence of children being separated from their parents?

How exactly was this determined? Do you know? I don't.

#100 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 09:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Do we have any evidence of children being separated from their parents?"

We do.
www.nytimes.com

"How exactly was this determined? Do you know? I don't."

Should I care that you don't know?
What difference does it make that you don't know how it was determined?

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 10:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, reports, but no real verifiable evidence.

I guess there's nothing to debate here.

#102 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 11:05 PM | Reply

"So, reports, but no real verifiable evidence."

You deny the reports?
???

"Judge: Immigration Must Account For Thousands More Migrant Kids Split Up From Parents"
www.npr.org

You're saying maybe those kids didn't get split up from their parents?
???

#103 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#102 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 11:05 PM

"The good German"

#104 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-15 11:13 PM | Reply

Trump pardoning war criminals is OK, dont do anything about global warming because of China! separating kids from their parents? what are you talking about my head has been shoved up my rectum since trump been elected and never heard anything about it.
SHHEPFORBRAIN

#105 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-15 11:22 PM | Reply

SHHEPFORBRAIN=SHEEPFORBRAINS

#106 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-15 11:23 PM | Reply

Apparently Snoofy, you don't seem to be able to determine if any of these adults are parents, kidnappers, or sex traffickers.
According to you, they have no identification or birth certificates, yet magically they receive California drivers licenses.

Answer me this. Can you leave the US with nothing and reenter at a port of entry without proving who you are? No.
Can you enter at a port of entry with no paperwork and child in tow, and simply claim, I'm the daddy? BS

Can you even GET a drivers license in Ca or anywhere in the US by simply appearing at the DMV and saying, "Hi, I want a license"?
Of course not. You're playing games. Snoofy games. You're completely FOS and pretending to be stupid while framing me as the bad guy.

You're a dishonest broker, you're a liar and deceiver. and you're an intellectual coward.

Let me know if you ever determine paternity for these kids, because I don't want them separated from a parent.

I also don't want them in danger of being trafficked. Obviously, you don't care. liar.

#107 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-15 11:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Apparently Snoofy, you don't seem to be able to determine if any of these adults are parents, kidnappers, or sex traffickers."

Not my job.

More to the point, my inability to do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

"Can you leave the US with nothing and reenter at a port of entry without proving who you are? No."

I don't really care.

"Can you enter at a port of entry with no paperwork and child in tow, and simply claim, I'm the daddy? BS"

You can, but your claim would greatly benefit if you had things like immunization records, birth certificates, etc.

"Let me know if you ever determine paternity for these kids, because I don't want them separated from a parent."

As the link in #103 shows, thousands have already been separated from a parent.

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-15 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reading your comments in #100 and #102, is it safe to say you don't believe children have been separated from their parents?

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-16 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-16 12:02 AM

He also does not give a god damn want condition the children are kept in when taken away from their parents

#110 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-16 12:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#109 You've provided no evidence aside from a newspaper clipping claiming as much.

Apart from that you've remained intentionally ambiguous.

The fact of the matter is, you've yet to determine whether we're dealing with parents, kidnappers, or sex traffickers.

And apparently you don't care. so be it.

#111 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 12:22 AM | Reply

"#109 You've provided no evidence aside from a newspaper clipping claiming as much.
Apart from that you've remained intentionally ambiguous. "

Apart from that?

"The fact of the matter is, you've yet to determine whether we're dealing with parents, kidnappers, or sex traffickers."

Me personally, or the judges and other officials involved in the policy?

Because if you're saying me personally, it's not my position to determine those things.
But if you're saying those other people involved, you're wrong.
They have determined that children were separated from their parents, and that their parents weren't kidnappers or sex traffickers.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-16 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Because if you're saying me personally, it's not my position to determine those things.

IOW - You don't know. Fair enough.

Let me know if the NY Times ever publishes an article claiming that they've established paternity of an adult migrant to a separated child.

I would be interested in learning more about those circumstances.

Additionally, alert me if any lawful asylum seekers, or anyone for that matter, presents themselves at a US point of entry,

presents valid identification and a birth certificate, yet is separated from their child. Because I would oppose that.

#113 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 01:03 AM | Reply

"Let me know if the NY Times ever publishes an article claiming that they've established paternity of an adult migrant to a separated child."

Who cares what the NY Times publishes.
They published the Unabomber's manifesto, does that make it true?

If a judge's opinion as in #103 isn't sufficient that we've established paternity of an adult migrant to a separated child, then no conversation can be had.

(The fact that it's become evident that no conversation can be had notwithstanding.)

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-16 02:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, we can't block entry, turn them away or detain them.

Yet you people get all incensed when accused of being all for open borders.

#115 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-16 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- So, we can't block entry, turn them away or detain them.

Snoofy doesn't support 'open borders'

He just wants to eliminate every barrier that prevents crossing the border.

#116 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 10:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Meanwhile the word has gotten out to the rest of the world.

"African migrants pass through San Antonio and swiftly fan out across the country"
www.washingtonexaminer.com

Welcome to America!
--Democrats

#117 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-16 10:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

So, we can't block entry, turn them away or detain them.

No, but don't call it OpenBorders, what politician has ever said that?

#118 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-16 11:13 AM | Reply

He also does not give a god damn want condition the children are kept in when taken away from their parents

And Snoofy and yourself don't give a god damn what trials and tribulations the parents took the kids through to the point of getting taken away.

Maybe, given the torture the parents put these kids through, just maybe its the best thing for these kids...

#119 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-16 11:16 AM | Reply

Admit it righties, you want to brutalize brown people fleeing desparate situations if they cross the US border without their papers, to scare others away.

You dont want more brown people coming to the US.

#120 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-16 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- You dont want more brown people coming to the US.

No, that's an intentionally false narrative.

The US welcomes everyone who enters the country legally.

Just like every other nation on the planet.

#121 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 11:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"So, we can't block entry, turn them away or detain them."

Incorrect. Several thousand are in detention at this very moment.

"Yet you people get all incensed when accused of being all for open borders."

The problem there is your inability to define "open borders."

In fact, you get all incensed when asked to define it. Then you flake out.

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-16 12:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Anything short of being put up in four star hotels with the freedom to come and go as they please and many would still be protesting the conditions as inhumane. Biden needs to tread carefully on this issue, because it is one where Obama faltered on and helped hand the election to Trump. (DACA had noble intentions, but ignoring the consequences of increased child trafficking and pretending it wasn't even a problem that needed to be addressed was just stupid.)

#123 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-06-16 01:26 PM | Reply

"Anything short of being put up in four star hotels with the freedom to come and go as they please and many would still be protesting the conditions as inhumane."

Actually, taking children from their parents is inhumane, period.
Even when the kids are put in four-star hotels.
This isn't a difficult concept.

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-16 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well. Sherp has done his best this entire thread to excuse separating children from their parents (even though he doubts it's happening).

I wonder if the Nazis were possibly any more adamant about keeping gypsies homosexuals blacks and Jews in concentrated camps.

Good job conservatives. You're all truly soulless ghouls.

Anything to keep poor brown people out of America.

#125 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-16 01:44 PM | Reply

Well. Clownshack and Snoofy have done their best this entire thread to excuse sex-trafficking children (even though they doubt it's happening).

Good job democrats. You're all truly soulless ghouls.

Anything to keep poor brown people enslaved in America.

#126 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 01:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Clownshack and Snoofy have done their best this entire thread to excuse sex-trafficking children

Thanks for more proof you're a liar Sherp.

When you got nothing, lie!

#127 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-16 02:05 PM | Reply

Anything to keep poor brown people enslaved in America.

This is the twisted logic of (R)Tards, like Sherp.

Allowing people who want to come to America to work, or be with family, or escape life threatening situations, is "enslaving them"!

But separating them from their families and caging them up is just fine.

I have a clear conscience about my decision.

You on the other hand, have thousands, separated from their parents, sitting in their cages on your conscience . They're your responsibility. Because you're in favor of these actions.

#128 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-16 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#128 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I encourage you read up on the subject:

Human Rights Abuse In Plain Sight: Migrant Workers in the US - ACLU - www.aclu.org
Migrant Worker Exploitation at Case Farms Chicken Plant - u.osu.edu
Guest farm workers face exploitation, harsh conditions - www.peoplesworld.org
America's Long History of Exploiting Migrant Workers - www.theatlantic.com
How U.S. Immigration Law Enables Modern Slavery - www.theatlantic.com
Undocumented workers are used as slave labor in a slave economy - www.press-citizen.com

#129 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-16 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#129

What's any of that going to prove?

That separating children from their parents and caging then is a better alternative?

In all those stories you linked, the people chose to be where they were and work for their employers.

Odd how none of those links point out what happened to the employers. Seems like those were perfect opportunities to make examples of them and protect the employees.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-16 02:31 PM | Reply

"separating children from their parents"

The article in this thread has nothing to do with that

#131 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-06-16 02:43 PM | Reply

The article in this thread has nothing to do with that

Don't deflect from reality.

#132 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-16 03:10 PM | Reply

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