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Friday, June 14, 2019

The head of the Federal Elections Commission issued a thinly veiled rebuke of Donald Trump on Thursday over the president's stance on accepting opposition research from foreign governments on his political adversaries.

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In the official statement, she reiterated that is a federal crime to collude with foreign governments during a campaign: "It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a US election. This is not a novel concept."

Hinting at the prospect of another Special Counsel-type campaign probe, Weintraub's memo added: "Anyone who solicits or accepts foreign assistance risks being on the wrong end of a federal investigation. Any political campaign that receives an offer of a prohibited donation from a foreign source should report that offer to the Federal Bureau of Investigation."

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#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 10:38 PM | Reply

It doesn't get any more plain and to the point than that:

I would not have thought that I needed to say this. pic.twitter.com/T743CsXq79
- Ellen L Weintraub (@EllenLWeintraub) June 13, 2019


pic.twitter.com/T743CsXq79

#2 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-13 10:46 PM | Reply

Who? Hitlers FEC Chair?

#3 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-13 11:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Who's soliciting assistance from a foreign gov't?

Who's "colluding"?

Who's accepting donations or anything of value from a foreign gov't?

I don't see why she needed to say it either.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good article:

How Collusion Confusion Helps Trump

www.newyorker.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-14 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How Collusion Confusion Helps Trump"

^
This is the M.O. employed by about a half-dozen posters here.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-14 12:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Great link, Gal. Thank you.

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-14 07:17 AM | Reply

I don't see why she needed to say it either.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Of course not.

F--- off you POS.

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 09:55 AM | Reply

Weren't righties claiming Trump accepting info from a foreign government isn't illegal?

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 09:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Who's accepting donations or anything of value from a foreign gov't?"

Who is hiding their tax returns? Why?

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-14 10:08 AM | Reply

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Weren't righties claiming Trump accepting info from a foreign government isn't illegal?
#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 09:56 AM

No, they were trying to get through to you that donations of information is illegal and paying fair market value for that information is not illegal.
Notice that Trump never says that he'd accept the information as a donation or contribution, that part has all been created by the outrage machine.
Here's the title of the FEC's statement: Statement regarding illegal contributions from Foreign Governments.

If you pay real attention, you'll notice statements like this: 'Anyone who solicits or accepts foreign assistance risks being on the wrong end of a federal investigation'
Notice how she doesn't say that it's against the law? The investigation is going to ask to see the receipts of the fair market value of that assistance. Once provided, investigation complete.

I'll make the same request for you as for the others I spoke with yesterday: Please provide what law you think that makes it illegal to purchase information from a foreign entity. You do understand that you 'accept' information that you've purchased, right?

#11 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-14 11:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

"Notice that Trump never says that he'd accept the information as a donation or contribution"

Yeah, like that's been his life motto.

You must buy turd polish by the barrel.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-14 11:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Translation: You're right, Avigdore.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 11:34 AM | Reply


@#11 ... Yeah, like that's been his life motto.

'I think I'd take it': In exclusive interview, Trump says he would listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponents
abcnews.go.com

...Trump disputed the idea that if a foreign government provided information on a political opponent, it would be considered interference in our election process.

"It's not an interference, they have information -- I think I'd take it," Trump said. "If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI -- if I thought there was something wrong. But when somebody comes up with oppo research, right, they come up with oppo research, 'oh let's call the FBI.' The FBI doesn't have enough agents to take care of it. When you go and talk, honestly, to congressman, they all do it, they always have, and that's the way it is. It's called oppo research." ...


That's what he originally said.

He would accept the information, and go to the FBI only if he thought there was something wrong.

What he apparently did not realize that taking the info from a foreign government in the first place is wrong.

It is that concept that he is in full retreat from today.


#14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-14 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wish an official from the North Korean Government would send a picture of Trump in bed with an alter boy to Joe Biden.....about 3 months before the election.

Just email it. send it by courier...put it in his hands somehow. Did Biden "accept" it?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-14 11:57 AM | Reply

You must buy turd polish by the barrel.

He uses his tongue.

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 12:04 PM | Reply


@#15 ... Just email it. send it by courier...put it in his hands somehow. Did Biden "accept" it? ...

Send a note to the FEC chair and see what her opinion on it would be.

My concern through all of this is along the lines of the following...

Pres Trump says stupid things all the time. His comment to Mr Stephanopoulos was one of his more stupid ones.

Ms Ingraham of Fox News even questioned why Pres Trump's aides allowed him to go into that meeting with Mr Stephanopoulos. That's how bad it was.

All of the word parsing of his supporters misses the point completely.

The point is Pres Trump stated something without really understanding the consequences of what he was stating, and the need for clarity in what he was stating.

Now, getting back to why I am so concerned about this... if Pres trump is this careless with Mr Stephanopoulos, how careless is he when he is one-on-one with Pres Putin? Why do his aides allow him to go into a one-on-one meeting with Pres Putin?

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-14 12:04 PM | Reply

What he apparently did not realize that taking the info from a foreign government in the first place is wrong. - #14 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-14 11:53 AM
Taking information that you have purchased is not illegal.
Taking information that is a donation is illegal.

#18 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-14 12:04 PM | Reply

Did Biden "accept" it?

In this hypothetical scenario of yours?

It's your story. Why don't you finish it.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 12:05 PM | Reply

Taking information that you have purchased is not illegal.
Taking information that is a donation is illegal.
#18 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

You couldn't care either way.

If Trump does it. You're okay with it.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Taking information that is a donation is illegal."

But what if that want something for it, like changes to the Ukraine policy in the Republican platform.?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-14 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

21

exactly...it needs to be an exchange.

Hard to follow and hard to prove.

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-14 12:20 PM | Reply

20

Do you care yourself? If Trump does it....you're NOT okay with it. sounds like the same thing....

#23 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-14 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#18 ... Taking information that you have purchased is not illegal.
Taking information that is a donation is illegal. ...

A distinction without a difference in this instance.

At the time of the interview with Mr Stephanopoulos I doubt if Pres Trump either knew or cared about the difference, based upon prior evidence of his behavior.

It was only after some in the White House explained to him what he had said, that Pres Trump started to try to clarify his comment.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-14 12:22 PM | Reply

In what is one the worst traps any partisan hater can fall in to, actually agreeing to what someone says when they talk about someone you hate just makes you a hypocrite when you hated the speaker when they were not dissing the person you hate. That just makes you a tool.

#25 | Posted by humtake at 2019-06-14 12:23 PM | Reply


@#25

Wow, so much hate you have there...

Do you see anyone about it?


#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-14 12:25 PM | Reply

But what if that want something for it, like changes to the Ukraine policy in the Republican platform.?
#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-14 12:09 PM

From the FEC's perspective, they would still need to pay fair market value for it, or run afoul of campaign finance laws.

#27 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-14 12:30 PM | Reply

Please provide what law you think that makes it illegal to purchase information from a foreign entity. You do understand that you 'accept' information that you've purchased, right?

This is the problem with the Trump cult. The only standard they hold the president to is whether he has committed explicitly criminal conduct beyond any doubt that can be conjured up by their cultist brains. The problem with this is that there are many things which are not illegal that a president still should not do. And Trump has done a lot of them.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-14 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


@#28 ... The only standard they hold the president to is whether he has committed explicitly criminal conduct beyond any doubt ... The problem with this is that there are many things which are not illegal that a president still should not do. ...

I do not think they got to that point of their own want.

I do think that Pres Trump dragged them down to that level, just as he has tainted many of his former staff.

Will Trump supporters ever wake up from it? I doubt it. I still see "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" t-shirts being worn at Trump rallies.

#29 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-14 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll make the same request for you as for the others I spoke with yesterday: Please provide what law you think that makes it illegal to purchase information from a foreign entity. You do understand that you 'accept' information that you've purchased, right?

#11 | Posted by Avigdore

It's a really sad sight to see somebody contort themselves into the shape of a pathetic -----.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh and before you whine about my response and before Nulli whines about ad hominem I'll actually rebut your post with a simple phrase:

Quid pro quo.

You don't "sell" information to a potential POTUS to make money. You "sell" it to meet the pathetically low standards of Trump cult members and make it "legal".

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Translation: You're right, Avigdore.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Sorry, but danforth isn't a brainless, sycophantic cultist.

The ease with which you guys swallow every single line of nonsense from Trump and his "best people" is appalling.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 12:57 PM | Reply

It is that concept that he is in full retreat from today.

#14 | Posted by LampLighter

At least publicly...

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I wish an official from the North Korean Government would send a picture of Trump in bed with an alter boy to Joe Biden.....about 3 months before the election.

Just email it. send it by courier...put it in his hands somehow. Did Biden "accept" it?

#15 | Posted by eberly

Wouldn't matter.

Trump cultists would simply find a way to deflect to Dems while twisting pedophilia as not really that bad. I mean they already did it when Trump admitted to committing sexual assault.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 01:01 PM | Reply

"At least publicly..."

He's not the type to change his thinking about things. At least not so quickly. This walk back is simply to keep FOX from complaining.

#35 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-06-14 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you care yourself? If Trump does it....you're NOT okay with it. sounds like the same thing....

#23 | Posted by eberly

Oh please.

You're not usually this black and white. This is kind of a dumb post, though, sorry.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-14 01:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the problem with the Trump cult. The only standard they hold the president to is whether he has committed explicitly criminal conduct beyond any doubt that can be conjured up by their cultist brains. The problem with this is that there are many things which are not illegal that a president still should not do. And Trump has done a lot of them.
#28 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-14 12:39 PM

I'm not talking to trump, so I'm not applying any standard to him. I'm talking to a poster here, who has made a claim that something is illegal. The standard being discussed here is honesty. When someone falsely claims that an action, even one performed by a monster like Trump, is illegal, they weaken any real, honest and truthful response to that action. If you want to scream that you believe the action is wrong, or morally repugnant...you'll get no response from me. It is both your opinion, and a correct one.
When people (here or the media) resort to lying or even passing off half-truths to try to make their political point, it grates on me. I respond, if for no other reason than less informed 3rd parties might be swayed by the lies to believe things that just aren't true.

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-14 01:12 PM | Reply

Ok.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-14 01:30 PM | Reply

Do you care yourself? If Trump does it....you're NOT okay with it. sounds like the same thing....
#23 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Way to turn the tables on me Copernicus.

Perhaps you can let me know which of Trump's policies you consider commendable.

I await your list.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 01:57 PM | Reply

-You're not usually this black and white. This is kind of a dumb post, though, sorry.

you're right. It was an attempt to shine a light on the faux concern of worrying or even believe you know what Avigdore "wants" or "cares about".

That's my job afterall....I'm the only one here who reads minds.

:-)

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-14 01:58 PM | Reply

-Perhaps you can let me know which of Trump's policies you consider commendable.

This isn't narrowed to policies.

Hell, even this thread is about a line in an interview that was walked back later. Any mannerism, comment, etc....

It's absurd. I won't go down that road. Enjoy the drive....

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-14 02:05 PM | Reply


@#41 ... this thread is about a line in an interview ...

That is the big concern of mine.

If Pres Trump is this careless with what he says in an interview, how careless will he be with what he says and agrees to in his one-on-ones with Pres Putin?

#42 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-14 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

42

I agree...that's the takeaway from this...how flippant and out of control is Trump in places where we don't see it?

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-14 02:23 PM | Reply

This isn't narrowed to policies.

Hard to admit you're in the same boat as me and don't really find anything Trump has done over the past three years worthy of commending?

I won't force you to admit it.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 02:29 PM | Reply

But Trump and McConnell don't care and there is nothing you can do about it.

#45 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-14 02:30 PM | Reply

44

no, not hard to admit at all.

#46 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-14 02:32 PM | Reply

#46

Well, that leaves me confused about this statement of yours: "If Trump does it....you're NOT okay with it."

The day after the 2016 election someone posted how Democrats are hoping Trump does an awful job at being President.

To which I replied something similar to, I honestly hope democrats are wrong and Trump ends up being great for America.

I'm not hoping for America to fail. But after three years, I don't believe anything Trump has done (which isn't much) has helped America become a stronger nation.

I believe everything he has done has been for self profit at the expense of Americans.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 03:03 PM | Reply

It's becoming clear Fuji Waters that the title of worst President ever will pass from BushII to the orange sloth. Note both these worthless ignoramuses got into office through the double whammy of election fraud and the electoral college. Once a beacon to the world now just a fake democracy.

#48 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-14 06:44 PM | Reply

LOL, team Bush still smarting from Trump doing the 'smack down' to Jeb.

#49 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-06-15 08:38 PM | Reply

Hard to admit you're in the same boat as me and don't really find anything Trump has done over the past three years worthy of commending?

I won't force you to admit it.

#44 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

no, not hard to admit at all.

#46 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Clownshack, don't waste your time with Eberly. He's a towering equivocating pillar of jiggly jello that stands for absolutely nothing ... zip ... nada ... zero point zero ... toe-jam and whale turds ...

There are no depths low enough for Eberly to take a stand on and speak out against ... evar.

#50 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-06-15 08:52 PM | Reply

Weren't righties claiming Trump accepting info from a foreign government isn't illegal?

#9 | POSTED BY JPW

Probably because Hillary Clinton did exactly that, in spades. The only difference is she used a couple of intermediaries. Worse, her oppo research was passed to the surveillance team and it played a role (how significant of a role is yet to be known) in launching a counter-intelligence investigation against another party's political campaign.

Did the Clinton campaign and Obama administration break the law as well?

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-16 10:42 AM | Reply

No, Hillary paid for information. Which is totally legal.
Letting the FBI know what you found out is totally legal and the patriotic thing to do.

Accepting gifts of foreign Intel and lying about it after being told to contact the FBI is illegal.

Only traitors make excuses for traitors.
Why do you hate America?

#52 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-16 11:17 AM | Reply

Probably because Hillary Clinton did exactly that, in spades.

The jumping through so many hoops to get to the point where you can state a false equivalence with parodic hyperbole is impressive, Jeff.

#53 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-16 10:55 PM | Reply

The jumping through so many hoops to get to the point where you can state a false equivalence with parodic hyperbole is impressive, Jeff.

POSTED BY YAV AT 2019-06-16 10:55 PM | REPLY

Jeff has become the drizzling schits anymore. It's sad but what can you do??

#54 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-16 11:36 PM | Reply

The jumping through so many hoops to get to the point where you can state a false equivalence with parodic hyperbole is impressive, Jeff.

#53 | POSTED BY YAV

The Clinton campaign attained "dirt" on a rival campaign through foreign intermediaries. There is no getting around that, Yav.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-17 10:15 AM | Reply

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