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Thursday, June 13, 2019

President Donald Trump said that he would accept information from a foreign government on his opponents in the 2020 presidential election and suggested during his interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos that he also wouldn't need to alert the FBI.

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"I've seen a lot of things over my whole life," Trump said in defense of his son's meeting to obtain opponent research. "I don't think in my whole life I've ever called the FBI. You don't call the FBI."

"This is somebody who says, ‘We have information on your opponent.' Oh, let me call the FBI," Trump said sarcastically. "Give me a break. Life doesn't work that way."

Stephanopoulos reminded Trump that FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress during a hearing that the FBI would want to know if a foreign government was trying to influence a U.S. election.

However, Trump disagreed with Wray.

"The FBI director is wrong because, frankly, it doesn't happen like that in life," he said.

Wow..., simply wow. This is the President of the United States telling his own FBI Director that he's "wrong" in believing US candidates should contact the FBI if/when approached by foreign actors offering opposition research on domestic candidates. Can't wait to hear the GOP lemming chorus chime in with their defense of the Trump Doctrine as it regards foreign influence into US presidential electoral politics.

As it's been said before, Trump is going to force his own impeachment through his own hubris and ignorance. Fisherman Nancy's just letting him take more and more line before he forces the Democratic House to reel him in.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-12 08:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Wow..., simply wow.
#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Wow is right Tony.

Just wait til they unravel all the foreigners Hillary paid for dirt.

You're gonna be wow-WOWWED!

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 08:50 PM | Reply

Might as well get ahead of it this time.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-12 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just wait til they unravel all the foreigners Hillary paid for dirt.

How many times a day do you close your eyes and dream of Hillary?

Do you picture being hog tied in leather with her standing above you holding a whip?

What's your safe word? Trump? Pizzagate? Benghazi??

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-12 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Just wait til they unravel all the foreigners Hillary paid for dirt.

Why in the world would Trump want to investigate Hillary after claiming

"If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI, if I thought there was something wrong. But when somebody comes up with oppo research... ‘Oh, let's call the FBI.' The FBI doesn't have enough agents to take care of it(?)"
Seems Trump just stated that such oppo research is completely fair game, or did you fail to actually comprehend what Trump is claiming? And exactly what foreign oppo research did Hillary use against Trump during the campaign? Gathering information and NOT using it for political purposes is a crime in your world, but USING it is simply good politics?

You're a disgrace to illogic.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-12 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump? He's a lunatic. that seeks foreign dirt.

Hillary? She's the sane one. that seeks foreign dirt.

Just wait until it all comes crashing down. Go, AG Barr! Go!

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 09:15 PM | Reply

#6 - you're an idiot. Why you go to such pains to prove it every day in every post is beyond me.

Trump states flatly he'd break the law, he'd put himself in debt to a foreign power and enemy, and all you can do is site Hillary Clinton, who's been investigated over and over and over again and never charged with anything.

Did I say you're an idiot?

It can't be said enough.

#7 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-12 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 13

- who's been investigated over and over and over again and never charged with anything.

Trump. right. never charged.

The Barr, Huber, Horowitz, and Durham investigation into Hillary's foriegn oppo research has just begun.

The 'dirt' everyone was looking for before the election is about to be found.

Wait'll you see the transcripts of FBI wiretaps on Papadopoulos. explosive.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 10:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 7

Trump. right. never charged.

Yeah, Individual 1 has 'never' been charged only because he's the sitting President. but he is an unindicted co-conspirator. Not to mention the 4000 or so lawsuits that Trump and his companies have been involved in, roughly one per week for the last 50 years.

Nor the 10/11 Mueller-documented incidents of obstruction that Trump CAN be impeached over should the investigations, testimony, evidence and public opinion dictate such an outcome.

So there's that....

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-12 10:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Be patient, Yav. We're going to get a full investigation of:

"What Happened" starring- Hillary Clinton

co-starring - Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Lynch

Special Appearance by - Podesta

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 10:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

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and more proof!
Yay!

#11 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-12 11:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- has 'never' been charged only because he's the sitting President
So there's that....

#9 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Tony, Tony, Tony.

Kerri Kupec, spokeswoman for the Department of Justice and Peter Carr, spokesman for the Special Counsel's Office, released the following statement:

The Attorney General has previously stated that the Special Counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that, but for the OLC opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice. The Special Counsel's report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination - one way or the other - about whether the President committed a crime. There is no conflict between these statements.

No matter how many condiments you pile on, it's still a Nothinburger.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 11:10 PM | Reply

No matter how many condiments you pile on, it's still a Nothinburger.

Trump is Individual 1 in the SDNY case of which he's an court-stated unindicted co-conspirator. That has nothing to do with the Mueller report or the DOJ machinations of what Mueller clearly stated when he said that he could not exonerate Trump of obstruction.

Don't be such a maroon. (Somehow I believe that is an impossibility for you.) We were here day to day back in 2016 as the investigation of Russian influence began.) It's always been the truth that Trumpers found themselves under investigation because of things THEY did, ie. contact Russians already under surveillance and then publicly lying about it. Day to day we fumed at the Obama Administration for refusing to blow a much louder whistle because of the national security implications.

It's really this simple: If a foreign interest comes to YOU with oppo research about your political opponent, and you receive the information (regardless of what it is or even if it's counterfeit or worthless), the fact you're keeping this contact secret from the public establishes that you can be compromised or that you're open to them helping you reach your political goals secretively. This is why it's illegal and unacceptable regardless of who does it. You keep acting as though the fact that not enough evidence exists to indict somehow makes what they did alright.

If you can make a case against Hillary then bring the facts, witnesses and testimony. We can talk about Trump without mentioning Hillary and vice versa. Funny you can't though.

I guess for you it's your own personal tourettes.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-12 11:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump is Individual 1 in the SDNY case of which he's an court-stated unindicted co-conspirator.
#13 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

uh, no, he's not.

www.bostonglobe.com

"Unlike President Nixon, who had been named an unindicted coconspirator in an indictment handed down by a grand jury, Trump has not been accused by a grand jury indictment of anything thus far. Cohen's guilty plea and allocution cannot turn the president into an unindicted coconspirator. Only a grand jury can."

Notice the quotation marks...facts.

I won't paste the entire story, but basically it states that Democratic Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut is

** FOS **

the rest is media frenzy, hyperbole, and hysteria. Of course, you're free to exercise your 1st Amendment Right to spread

- Fake News-

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 11:43 PM | Reply

What does the term "unindicted" mean? What is your malfunction?

The U.S. Attorneys' Manual (a guidebook for federal prosecutors) supplies an answer:

"Ordinarily, there is no need to name a person as an unindicted co-conspirator in an indictment [or other court document] in order to fulfill any legitimate prosecutorial interest or duty ... . In any indictment where an allegation that the defendant conspired with 'another person or persons known' is insufficient, some other generic reference should be used, such as 'Employee 1' or 'Company 2.'"

When an individual is named and charged in a grand jury indictment, the reputational harm is substantial. But at least a named defendant has the right, enshrined by the Constitution, to challenge that indictment at trial in open court. A named but unindicted co-conspirator has no such opportunity, as the guidebook acknowledges, and prosecutors must therefore be sensitive to any reputational harm. In other words, prosecutors in the Cohen case are not providing Trump with an extra level of anonymity but are instead simply following established rules.

#15 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-12 11:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just wait til they unravel all the foreigners Hillary paid for dirt.

You're gonna be wow-WOWWED!

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism

This is the type of garbage I see that makes me want Sheeple s--- canned.

Every thread is twisted away from Trump/Repubs to focus on a Dem. Usually Hillary or Obama.

It's deflection garbage that is incessant.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

#15 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Yes, Tony. It's a political smear. not a legal position. NY Prosecutors (D) are grandstanding for the headline.

Trump is considered Innocent (as in right now)

until 1) charged in an indictment - has not been and 2) Found guilty - hasn't even been charged

The rest is political grandstanding and smearing. with a healthy dose of Gorilla Dust.

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 12:18 AM | Reply

---- you sheeple.

This thread isn't about the investigation, Hillary or any other nonsense that's been forced into your addled brain.

It's about Trump admitting his behavior in 2016 will happen again...while he and McConnell refuse to address the weaknesses and issues that allowed 2016 to be influenced.

You might as well admit you're fine with foreign interference in our elections.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

until 1) charged in an indictment - has not been and 2) Found guilty - hasn't even been charged

The rest is political grandstanding and smearing. with a healthy dose of Gorilla Dust.

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Perfect. He can't be charged per DoJ policy.

And you're BS opinion is based on his being charged.

It's a catch 22 that I doubt is unintentional.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 12:22 AM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY JPW

The thread is about 'foreign oppo dirt' ...which Trump never received. but Hillary paid for. and you're angry at Trump.

Wait for Barr. be patient, my scotch-loving friend!

The dirt is coming. Dump truck loads.

beep-beep-beep (dump truck backing up)

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 12:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Simple Shemple has the HDS really bad.

I would say he's curable, but I'd be lyin'.

Trump is a traitor and an imbecile... OK, well, that explains Baa Boy's admiration.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-13 03:01 AM | Reply

"Life doesn't work that way." Everybody does it." Trump has just why he likely committed tax and insurance fraud. Why he cheated on his wives and paid off porn stars. Why he hired illegal immigrants and stiffed his creditors. He has no moral compass. He doesn't care about breaking the law. He never did, and now that he can't be indicted as president and has his Roy Cohn in charge at the DOJ, he really doesn't. Trump has just explained his philosophy of life in a nutshell: "Everybody does it." Winners are the people who get away with whatever "it" is. Losers are the ones who get caught or who try to play by the rules in the first place. Rules, including the Golden One, laws and morals are all for losers. This philosophy is also why Trump isn't bothered by dictators who murder journalists, for example. To Trump's way of thinking, that's just what strong leaders so.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 06:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

"Just wait til they unravel all the foreigners Hillary paid for dirt."

Bennngggghhhhaaaazzzzziiiii!!!!! Keep dreaming Sheeple! Maybe someday one of your dreams will come true but not likely. Pathetic!

#23 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-13 06:55 AM | Reply

#22 Trump has just why = Trump has just explained why

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 07:00 AM | Reply

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti (Former federal prosecutor.)

Trump claims that everyone in Congress accepts aid for foreign adversaries. "Everybody does it" is something I heard many criminal defendants say. It is irrelevant even when it is true, which it isn't in this case.
6:27 PM - 12 Jun 2019

Legal Experts Explode Over Donald Trump's ‘Despicable' 2020 Bombshell

"This is an open invitation to foreign governments to commit crimes to re-elect Trump."

www.huffpost.com

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 07:08 AM | Reply

Isn't there a difference between when a spy learns things that foreign governments know and shares them directly with a candidate and a President going to those governments directly for information on his opponents?

#26 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-06-13 07:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is how life works in Trump world and what he thinks everybody does--makes schitt up:

Trump: Some say I gave 'the best speech ever made by a president in Europe'

"I could say it, but I don't want to say it, but some people said it was the best speech ever made by a president in Europe," he continued, declining to specify who had offered such praise. "But I did not say that. I'm just quoting other people."

thehill.com

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 07:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump really down deep doesn't want another 4 years of relentless attacks. Expect some dyno-mite debates, BC he does not care who he pysses off. He wants the CNN pundits to look grim and clutch their chests when they do their daily hatchet job.

#28 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-06-13 08:01 AM | Reply

This is insane and unacceptable. He needs to be jailed.

#29 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 08:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Folks pretending the Steele Dossier is anything compared to what Trump is doing are sick in the head. Steele was hired initially by a GOP donor.

#30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 08:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Lmao. The left is already making excuses for another presidential loss in 2020. But in about 30 days or so, things are going to change. Several subpoenas are coming, from an already seated Grand Jury, for those who tried to overthrow a duly and lawfully elected president. That will change the fake narrative to the realty that a number of the lefty Marxists ARE the ones going to prison. They can watch President Trumps second inauguration on the day room tv in prison.

#31 | Posted by willsburrow at 2019-06-13 08:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The FBI director said this should be referred to the FBI. This is a Trump appointee.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 08:12 AM | Reply

How quickly the sad Trump clowns would make a deal with other countries just to salve their own shattered egos.

sorry bubba, your toothless IQ of 100 does not make you smart, it does not make you #1.

You trump people are turning America in a third world country.

#33 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-06-13 08:12 AM | Reply

"Several subpoenas are coming, from an already seated Grand Jury, for those who tried to overthrow a duly and lawfully elected president."

1. He was not duly elected.
2. You are a willing stooge of the corrupt Trump regime so your comments are just drivel repeated from Fox News.
3. America is going to reject slime like you and when we do it won't be pretty.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-13 08:16 AM | Reply

"But in about 30 days or so, things are going to change. Several subpoenas are coming, from an already seated Grand Jury, for those who tried to overthrow a duly and lawfully elected president. That will change the fake narrative to the realty that a number of the lefty Marxists ARE the ones going to prison."

You gave that "30 days or so" timeline 10 days ago:

The indictments will roll out within 30 days. The Grand Jury is seeing and hearing the evidence. TDS will not be accepted as an insanity plea on the charges of treason, sedition and conspiracy. We don't need a Mueller. The Grand Jury will indict traitors.

Posted by willsburrow at 2019-06-02 12:33 PM | Reply

When do you predict the indictments will ultimately come down? Beginning, middle, end of July?

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 08:19 AM | Reply

I hope there's lots of T&A in tRump's future....as in truth and accountability

#36 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-13 08:20 AM | Reply

#35 I notice that you originally predicted indictments within 30 days and are now predicting subpoenas within that timeframe.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 08:22 AM | Reply

1. He was not duly elected.
#34 | POSTED BY DANNI

Delusional.

#38 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 08:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is insane and unacceptable. He needs to be jailed.
#29 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

What would you charge him with, inciting a riot on the Retort?

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 08:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Asked why he'd want foreign interference in American elections, [President Trump] responded, "It's not an interference. They have information, I think I'd take it."

The one thing even Trump should know not to say is the one thing Trump said – out loud, on camera, on the record, for all the world to see. His indifference to the rule of law was laid bare.

The president wasn't just ignoring all of the lessons he was supposed to have learned over the last two-and-a-half years, and he wasn't just contradicting his own handpicked FBI director, Trump was also adopting a posture at odds with the assessment of Attorney General Bill Barr.

In the process, Trump seemed to signal to his possible international benefactors that he would welcome their interference in his re-election efforts. The president is well aware of the scandal that unfolded after the 2016 race, and as of yesterday, he wouldn't mind seeing a sequel.

Sorta blows a hole in the entire "No collusion" narrative when you openly tell the world you're willing to accept collusive conduct and material from a foreign source if it helps your own political goals.

This is simply an example of "the ends justify the means" and that concept has never been elevated to supersede the rule of law in American jurisprudence or in any measurement of the application of laws and regulations codified by our Constitution. Until now.

#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 09:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Fat Nixon has always been okay with breaking the law so long as it helps him.

He's always been trash.

#41 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-06-13 09:03 AM | Reply

Why in the world would Trump want to investigate Hillary after claiming

"If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI, if I thought there was something wrong. But when somebody comes up with oppo research... ‘Oh, let's call the FBI.' The FBI doesn't have enough agents to take care of it(?)"

As always, Fat Nixon wants to have it both ways. He's okay with breaking the law to help himself, but wants anyone he's competing with to not do it.

Again, it is always about what helps him. That is his only consideration. Not laws. Not the public. Not America.

#42 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-06-13 09:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 6

Imagine Barack Obama saying "i would accept help from the Russian government to win an American election."

#43 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-13 09:09 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"As always, Fat Nixon wants to have it both ways. He's okay with breaking the law to help himself, but wants anyone he's competing with to not do it."

Bingo!

Joe Walsh @WalshFreedom

So if Trump thinks it's perfectly okay to collude with a foreign adversary, why did he run around for two years yelling "No collusion, no collusion?"

David Frum @davidfrum

David Frum Retweeted Joe Walsh
Same reason that Trump claims he has an absolute right to investigate anybody for anything without regard for law, but that it was an outrage for the FBI to obtain proper judicial warrants to investigate people close to his campaign for 100+ contacts with Russian intelligence

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 09:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Herr Twitler's 3am Tweet storm would be fire.

#45 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-06-13 09:15 AM | Reply

Imagine Barack Obama saying "i would accept help from the Russian government to win an American election."
#43 | POSTED BY JOE

Imagine Barack Obama interfering in another nations election. Actually, there's no need to imagine it:

Haiti: US interference wins elections - thehill.com

"The widespread knowledge that the U.S. and the West would put their stamp of approval on the process, no matter how flawed, opened the door to the irregularities that plagued Election Day. According to a published report: "A Haitian observation mission led by a network of human rights organizations (RNDDH), which had more than 15 times the number of observers as the OAS and the EU, denounced the process as an assault on democracy ... ."Be wary of anyone saying that everything went well," the group warned.""

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#46 - Those goalposts heavy, idiot Sheeple?

#47 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-13 09:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

After reading the linked article it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be, but he still sounded pretty bad.

How tone deaf can he be?

It's almost like he's deliberately trolling.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-13 09:27 AM | Reply

sheepleschism has not discussed the actual topic of a thread for about 3 years now.

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#48 - he's trolling for help from any country, any source he can for his election, Jeff.

There's a huge sign hanging over America now - open for business, legal or not.
Help me and you got a friend in the White House.

#50 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-13 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


... President Donald Trump said that he would accept information from a foreign government on his opponents in the 2020 presidential election and suggested during his interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos that he also wouldn't need to alert the FBI. ...

My first question would be --- given that Pres Trump thinks this is OK, did candidate Trump accept information from a foreign government during the 2016 campaign?

It now seems quite likely to me that he or someone in his campaign did so.

My next question would be, what did that foreign government want in return?

#51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 09:30 AM | Reply

"It's almost like he's deliberately trolling."

One former GOP strategist's theory:

Liz Mair @LizMair

My theory on Trump's pro-collusion statement tonight: The only shot in hell he has of upping his numbers is if he gets Nancy Pelosi to start impeachment proceedings against him, so he's trying to bait her into it. I doubt it will work.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 09:31 AM | Reply

Sheep:

Whattabout?
Whattabout?
Whattabout?

Hillary's a criminal because she consorted with Russians, just wait we'll prove it!
Trump is innocent even after he admitted on TV he'd take dirt in 2020 (just like he did in 2016 as outlined in the Mueller report).

Yes folks, there's people really this stupid.

#53 | Posted by zarnon at 2019-06-13 09:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

You'd think after becoming legal experts on this subject for the past three years, you'd realize this isn't illegal. Oh well, hysteria is a helluva drug.

#54 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-06-13 09:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

My first question would be --- given that Pres Trump thinks this is OK, did candidate Trump accept information from a foreign government during the 2016 campaign?
It now seems quite likely to me that he or someone in his campaign did so.
My next question would be, what did that foreign government want in return?

Don Jr just testified again for 3 hours before Senate Intel Committee. Sounds like Trump is covering from him yet again. Of course you would take such a meeting and not report it to the FBI. Everybody does it!

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 09:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#54

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

2. Just because something is technically "legal" does not make it right, or good for national security. But one of the consequences of this administration is that the *only* bar we are looking at is criminality, which can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

5. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it would technically not be "illegal" for Trump to FedEx the Presidential Daily Brief to Putin every day, or to hand over the nuclear codes to his BFF, Kim Jong Un. If this is the bar for whether someone ought to be POTUS, God help us.

twitter.com

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 09:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Hillary actually did it .... so I am not sure why the out rage....

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-13 09:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You'd think after becoming legal experts on this subject for the past three years, you'd realize this isn't illegal. Oh well, hysteria is a helluva drug.

#54 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

Is it true that ignorance is bliss?

Federal election law, administered by the Federal Election Commission, prohibits contributions, donations and other expenditures by "foreign nationals" in any federal, state or local election as well an exchange of any "thing of value."

#58 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 09:46 AM | Reply

Who gives a ---- about Hillary Clinton? If she did something wrong than throw her in jail too. There's more than one criminal in this world. We can still call Trump what he is - a POS with no allegiance to America who basically just put out an RFP for foreign election interference.

#59 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-13 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4


@#57 ... Hillary actually did it ...

Fmr Sec of State Clinton lost. Get over it.


(and to your point, that nugget has been shown to be quite false time and time again, yet you still seem to cling to it...)

#60 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 09:50 AM | Reply


@#50 ... Who gives a ---- about Hillary Clinton? ...

It is the only defense of Pres trump they have left.

#61 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

She's not even President. I'll agree not to vote for her in 2020 - now let's talk about Trump.

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-13 09:55 AM | Reply

#52 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I don't believe he's trolling pelosi...I think he is filled with rage and teetering on the edge of an all out meltdown.
i don't mean crazy per se but just damned tired of having to explain ANYthing he decides to do to the common folk. why aren't people at his feet in supplication..adoration..fealty? he's getting info that his ego demand that he deny, about his criminal exposure and his reelection probability. but, all that aside, he's crazy as a s**thouse rat

#63 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-13 09:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can't even believe we need to explain this ---- to rightwingers, but accepting help from hostile foreign powers is a bad thing. They help a candidate not from the goodness of their hearts, but because they think that candidate will be better for them and worse for the United States. Additionally, if the help is kept secret, it becomes a form of leverage to be held over the person they helped, compromising that person.

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-13 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 10

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_

LINT. I didn't see this question being asked or answered on TV, so beyond the question of "is it legal" to accept oppo research from a foreign government, let's ask WHY it's wrong. What are the practical and policy reasons we'd not want a presidential candidate to do this?

twitter.com

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 10:00 AM | Reply

I don't believe he's trolling pelosi..

I don't think he is either. He's not a strategic thinker, he just throws reactionary rage fits whenever something he doesn't like gets his attention.

#66 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-06-13 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#64 Nailed it.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 10:02 AM | Reply

So? Hillary did, and even made ---- up about Trump in Russia

But, I want you Dems keep going on this

#68 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-06-13 10:04 AM | Reply

Yes folks, there's people really this stupid.

#53 | POSTED BY ZARNON

No, it's very much a conscious decision for Sheeple.

That's why I find his postings particularly offensive and ridiculous and think he needs to be canned.

He is 24/7 anti-Dem, pro-trump propaganda, the DR's own fake right wing news site.

#69 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 10:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

FWIW, I don't think he is trolling Pelosi either.

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 10:04 AM | Reply

Again, it is always about what helps him. That is his only consideration. Not laws. Not the public. Not America.

#42 | POSTED BY NIXON

This is the extreme narcissist's modus operandi.

#71 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-06-13 10:05 AM | Reply

You'd think after becoming legal experts on this subject for the past three years, you'd realize this isn't illegal. Oh well, hysteria is a helluva drug.

#54 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

Clearly not as addictive as Fox News is for the idiots among us.

Do you have any standards for Trump that are higher than "not illegal"?

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 10:07 AM | Reply


Well, well, another county heard from...

Even Trump's Staunchest TV Allies Struggle With His Comments On Foreign Dirt
talkingpointsmemo.com

...Brian Kilmeade, a "Fox and Friends" host, called on Trump to clean up the comments.

"You don't want a foreign government or foreign entity giving you information because they will want something back," he said Thursday morning. "If anybody knows that it is the President. There is no free lunch. If someone wants information they want influence. I think the President's got to to clarify that ... He opened himself wide up to attacks."...


Laura Ingraham, host of Fox's "The Ingraham Angle," directed her ire at Trump's staff.

"Setting aside the question of why you would have George Stephanopoulos standing over the President in the Oval Office -- I don't know who approved that -- what about this notion of accepting foreign intel about an opponent?" she asked Wednesday night. "Is that a risk for President Trump, getting pulled back into Mueller? Again, why he was put in that situation is beyond me."...


Far be it for me to cite Fox and Friends, or Ms Ingraham, ... but I gotta say, when they start calling out Pres Trump for saying something bafflingly stupid, you know Pres trump really must have said something bafflingly stupid.

#73 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So? Hillary did, and even made ---- up about Trump in Russia

But, I want you Dems keep going on this

#68 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

God you piles of s*#@ are disgusting.

The entire right is so in it for Trump you can't miss the smell of rot and decay that emanates from their every thought.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 10:09 AM | Reply

#73 the sad thing is they only care about the optics.

The content is fine and they will defend him when he does it again. They just don't want such things out in the open.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 10:11 AM | Reply

Trump is inherently corrupt, so naturally it follows that he sees nothing wrong with staying on the corruption train.

As for the obsessive, desperate deflections by the DR's most single-minded, squawking parrot, he only thinks he's making a relevant point. He is not, and should be ignored.

#76 | Posted by cbob at 2019-06-13 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#73 ... the sad thing is they only care about the optics. ...

Yup. Especially Ms Ingraham's comment. She blamed his aides for allowing him to be put into a situation where he said something bad.


#77 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 10:16 AM | Reply

"Additionally, if the help is kept secret, it becomes a form of leverage to be held over the person they helped, compromising that person."

This is actually an important way that what Hillary supposedly did was different from what Trump et al did. A law firm representing Clinton and the Dems hired GPS Fusion after GPS Fusion was dropped by a wealthy conservative sponsor. GPS Fusion in turn hired Steele. The Russian govt wouldn't have had any secret leverage over a President Clinton, because she never secretly dealt with them through back channels. Neither did any of her family members or campaign staff/advisors. The one person who dealt with them, Steele, did reach out to the FBI and more than once.

www.snopes.com

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4


@#76 ... he only thinks he's making a relevant point. ...

Some people participate in this site to be disruptive, most people have other reasons to participate.

#79 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But, I want you Dems keep going on this

#68 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Dems keeping it going?

The President is "keeping it going".

By continuously saying stupid crap like this.

You don't accept election help from hostile foreign powers. You never say you would accept help from hostile foreign powers. Period.

That this man is our president is so embarrassing.

I am embarrassed for the GOP. I am embarrassed for America.

Trump and the Deplorables should be ashamed.

That they are not speaks volumes.

#80 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

No, it's very much a conscious decision for Sheeple.
That's why I find his postings particularly offensive and ridiculous and think he needs to be canned.
He is 24/7 anti-Dem, pro-trump propaganda, the DR's own fake right wing news site.

#69 | POSTED BY JPW

Nobody is interfering with your stomping around, clutching Jim Beam.

*glug glug*

The facts of the case have yet to be laid out, but when they are

You're going to lose your mind about *who was meddling with *whom.

"What Happened" is perjury.

#81 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just wait until it all comes crashing down. Go, AG Barr! Go!

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

The fact that you support obstruction of justice speaks volumes about you. Snap out of it Shep before it's too late. Turn off the Agitator Channel Fixed Gnus. Go outside and get some fresh air.

That hateful worm has bored deep into your brain. Seek treatment.

Rehab, group therapy, electroshock, drugs, religion, anything!

#82 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 10:28 AM | Reply

Far be it for me to cite Fox and Friends, or Ms Ingraham, ...
#73 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Apparently it's not that far at all.

#83 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 10:31 AM | Reply

The fact that you support obstruction of justice speaks volumes about you.
#82 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Liar.

The fact that you can't Hans me or quote me supporting OoJ speaks volumes about you.

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 10:36 AM | Reply

Compromising the integrity of our elections is the most important issue.

#85 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 10:42 AM | Reply

#84 translation- I support OoJ but know you can't sift through the piles of my s$#@ posts to find it.

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 10:48 AM | Reply

Trump states flatly he'd break the law, ...

I am pleased to see that reporters are now asking 2020 dem presidential candidates whether or not they would prosecute Trump if they won the presidency. As far as I am concerned, whether or not they will prosecute Trump is a litmus test. If they won't prosecute, they don't deserve the dem nomination.

If Trump loses the election, I suspect that sometime between the reporting of the election results and the dem candidate taking office, Trump will pardon everyone associated with his admin, he will then resign, Pence will become pres and then Pence will pardon Trump. Of course Pence's political future will be kaput but ...

#87 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-06-13 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Suppose someone from Russia or China or wherever approached Biden's team with oppo-research on Trump. Would that be a problem if they accepted it?

#88 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-06-13 10:55 AM | Reply

#84 translation- I support OoJ but know you can't sift through the piles of my s$#@ posts to find it.
#86 | POSTED BY JPW

- fake news -

As Mueller stated jointly with DoJ:

"The Attorney General has previously stated that the Special Counsel repeatedly affirmed that he was not saying that, but for the OLC opinion, he would have found the President obstructed justice. The Special Counsel's report and his statement today made clear that the office concluded it would not reach a determination - one way or the other - about whether the President committed a crime. There is no conflict between these statements."

The quotations are facts. Another fact: I support the prosecution of any crime committed by a member of either party.

Including Trump.

Including the cabal about to be exposed.

Including you, for abuse of an empty bottle.

#89 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 10:58 AM | Reply

The insanity of Trump's defenders in this thread, when even Fox News acknowledges the indefensible nature of Trump's comments, is as clear an explanation for Trump's election and ongoing support from a narrow but committed base as there ever was.

I truly fear for the future of America. It's obvious that a large number of its citizens don't care about the rule of law or the fact that their guy is a megalomaniac who cozies up to the very worst of the world's most terrible leaders.

As Trump himself said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters." If indeed that were to happen, we'd be back here on the DR shaking our heads at his enablers who'd be contending the video of Trump shooting somebody in Fifth Avenue was not actually Trump but a Dem operative/Hollyweird stunt double, whether the shooting was actually on Fifth Avenue or instead on 59th Street, or maybe it was in Central Park, either of which disqualifies the media reports as totally false, and that even if he did shoot somebody, it's really not a big deal, because Obama was just as bad because he wore that tan suit, and Hillary would have been worse because she used a private email server and besides, BENGHAAAAZI.

#90 | Posted by cbob at 2019-06-13 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Suppose someone from Russia or China or wherever approached Biden's team with oppo-research on Trump. Would that be a problem if they accepted it?"

Here's how Barr answered a similar hypothetical question:

When asked whether a 2020 presidential campaign should contact the FBI if a foreign government offered dirt on an adversary, Barr seemed at a loss for words. Instead of responding quickly in the affirmative, he paused. What should have been an extremely straightforward question to answer, especially for the country's top law enforcement official, wound up being yet another inquiry that seemingly left Barr perplexed.

"Going forward, what if a foreign adversary offers a presidential candidate dirt on a competitor in 2020? Do you agree with me the campaign should immediately contact the FBI?" Sen. Chris ----- (D-DE) asked Barr.

"If a foreign government? If a foreign intelligence service?" Barr asked in response, appearing uncertain. "If a foreign intelligence service does, yes," he finally caveated, making a subtle distinction in his response that precluded him from condemning actions that members of the Trump campaign had previously engaged in.

www.vox.com

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 11:02 AM | Reply

He literally admitted he'd happily commit the crime his entire cult of suckers has been saying he didn't commit.

Bad day to be in the cult.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 11:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just wait til they unravel all the foreigners Hillary paid for dirt.
#2 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

...you know this would be legal, right?

PAYING fair market price for it would be legal.

It's getting it for "nothing" and having the foreigners campaign for you with internet troll farms that is illegal.

You're done here. Go cry in the corner.

#93 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-06-13 11:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Including the cabal about to be exposed.

#89 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Trump propaganda repeated ver batim by sheep4trump.

#94 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 11:04 AM | Reply

"The quotations are facts."

Here's another Mueller quotation you like to overlook:

Mueller: "If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime, we would have said so."

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The fact that you can't Hans me or quote me supporting OoJ speaks volumes about you.

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Semantics. We can quote you on every thread about russiagate deflecting to the dems and whining about the deep state.

#96 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 11:10 AM | Reply

"It's getting it for "nothing" and having the foreigners campaign for you with internet troll farms that is illegal."

Is it? How would you even determine "fair market price" for such a thing? And how do you know Trump didn't pay for it (which you claimed would be legal)?

#97 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-06-13 11:31 AM | Reply

Trump states flatly he'd break the law - #7 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-12 10:38 PM
Purchasing opponent research from any party, foreign or domestic, is not against any US law. What law are you talking about?

#98 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 11:35 AM | Reply

Steele was hired initially by a GOP donor. #30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 08:05 AM
That is a lie.

#99 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon -- which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump's rival for the party's nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida -- told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination."

www.nytimes.com

#100 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-13 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#99 ... That is a lie. ...

Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier
www.washingtonpost.com

Summarized from the above article...

Fusion GPS's work researching Trump began during the Republican presidential primaries, when the GOP donor paid for the firm to investigate the real estate magnate's background.

In April 2016, the Clinton campaign lawyer, Marc Elias, retained Fusion GPS for research purposes.

Fusion GPS then hired Christopher Steele (former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community)

The Clinton campaign funded Fusion GPS through October 2016.

Fusion GPS gave the Steele reports to Elias.



The article is a pretty good account of the history of the Steele report, worth a read, imo.

#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 12:12 PM | Reply

This is simply an example of "the ends justify the means" and that concept has never been elevated to supersede the rule of law in American jurisprudence or in any measurement of the application of laws and regulations codified by our Constitution. Until now.
#40 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 09:03 AM

You're throwing around 'law' an awful lot.
What law do you think is being broken if Trump purchases opposition research from a foreign entity?

#102 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 12:12 PM | Reply

As Trump himself said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters."

twitter.com

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#102 ... What law do you think is being broken if Trump purchases opposition research from a foreign entity? ...

I note how you've placed the "purchase" concept in your attempted rebuttals.


#104 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What law do you think is being broken if Trump purchases opposition research from a foreign entity?

To my knowledge, not a single person has mentioned the word PURCHASE except to delineate that Hillary's campaign PAID Fusion GPS for their services and Trump's campaign paid no one for anything related to the information and services that were utilized toward his election goal that factually came from Russia and their cutouts and operatives.

Yesterday Trump was not asked about purchasing oppo research, he was responding to questions about being offered foreign oppo research in secret and being open to compromise/debt while taking it for free. No one (tmk) ever accused Trump of purchasing what he received in 2016 either.

#105 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 12:22 PM | Reply

Just listening to someone talk is not colluding. Its like the left whang blatting here. Not much makes sense but it doesn't hurt to listen.

#106 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-06-13 12:22 PM | Reply

@#100 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-13 12:06 PM |
@#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 12:12 PM
You can check the wiki for the citations, if you so desire:
In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates.In April 2016, attorneys for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016. In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier.

Unless Steele used Obama's time machine, he was not a part of the Fusion GPS investigation when it was funded by the GOP. Hence the statement 'Steele was hired initially by a GOP donor' is a lie.

#107 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 12:27 PM | Reply

#73

You know his staff was standing outside the Oval Office saying,

'Don't say something stupid. Don't say something stupid. Don't say som...-----!'

#108 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-06-13 12:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 3


@#107 ... Hence the statement 'Steele was hired initially by a GOP donor' is a lie. ...

I do not disagree. And there's nothing in my comment you are replying to that disagrees.

So what's your point?


#109 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 12:34 PM | Reply

Just listening to someone talk is not colluding.

If the secret conversation is about information that may be useful to you and it's against your political opponent, then it's the very dictionary definition of colluding! What it isn't at present is a crime.

col·lude
/kəˈlo͞od/

verb
gerund or present participle: colluding

cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others.

#110 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 12:35 PM | Reply

[thread title addendum].... as opposed to hillary actually buying dirt from Russians.

#111 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-06-13 12:36 PM | Reply


@#108 ... You know his staff was standing outside the Oval Office saying,

'Don't say something stupid. Don't say something stupid. Don't say som...-----!' ...

In this respect, I have to agree in some respect with Ms Ingraham. Why in the world did they let him give the interview, not knowing which of the many voices in his head would come to the forefront?

#112 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 12:36 PM | Reply

#87

Trump won't resign. When he knows there's no way out, he'll fake a heart attack. That way he won't look like the buffoon loser he actually is.

#113 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-06-13 12:37 PM | Reply


@#111 ... as opposed to hillary actually buying dirt from Russians. ...

Again this debunked nugget appears.

#114 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#88

---- yes it would be. Don't be a dip ----.

#115 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-06-13 12:38 PM | Reply

being open to compromise/debt while taking it for free. No one (tmk) ever accused Trump of purchasing what he received in 2016 either.
#105 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 12:22 PM

I'm gonna need you to go ahead and cite that part.
No evidence has been presented that Trump received anything in 2016, so there's probably not a record of that nothing being purchased. I guess he could draft a receipt for $0 for goods not received?
Trump himself in the interview called it opposition research, generally accepted that you pay people for their time and efforts of the research investigation.

#116 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No evidence has been presented that Trump received anything in 2016

He "received", weaponized and utilized the illegally stolen information disseminated through Wikileaks that Mueller (through many indictments of those committing the thefts, while documenting the hows and whys) and the US IC says came from the Russians.

Again, no one has ever mentioned Trump purchasing oppo research from foreign governments and/or intelligence agencies which is precisely what he was asked and what he answered to.

And if Trump PAID for foreign oppo research it wouldn't be done in secret because he'd have to report the expenditure to the FEC.

Stop trying to derail this thread with your insolent, deflective nonsense.

#117 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 12:48 PM | Reply

#116 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Tony just cited Websters #110. He's going to throw the book at Trump.

The Dictionary that is.

#118 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 12:49 PM | Reply

#117 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

He "received", weaponized and utilized the illegally stolen information disseminated through Wikileaks that Mueller (through many indictments of those committing the thefts, while documenting the hows and whys) and the US IC says came from the Russians.

Said no Mueller ever.

#119 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 12:50 PM | Reply

Liar.

The fact that you can't Hans me or quote me supporting OoJ speaks volumes about you.

#84 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I am not gonna torture myself by going thru your blather.

You support the Lie.

You call Russian interference a HOAX. You were proven wrong by t he Mueller Report. (Have you even read it yet?)

You laugh at Congress attempts to investigate and hold the President accountable for his words and deeds.

You think its funny that Trump seems to be getting away with it.

And you immediately deflect to Hilary if it becomes too clear that Trump is a criminal with criminal intent.

I don't need a quote. Your position is quite clear.

It's all Nothingburgers!

All the way down. You chose your side. Enjoy the ride.

It's Mr Toad's Wide Ride.

Included is all the Nothingburgers you can eat.

#120 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

--your insolent, deflective nonsense.

Enough of your insolence, peasant! How dare you address His Highness that way. Off with his head!

#121 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-13 12:54 PM | Reply

as opposed to hillary actually buying dirt from Russians.

Even if this was the direct case (which it wasn't), as long as she documented it to the FEC it would be completely legal. This has always been about being contacted BY a foreign source claiming to have damning information on your domestic opponent and then taking the SECRET meeting and not informing the FBI of the approach FROM said foreign sources. It's not about hiring a third party who in turn hires someone unconnected to you that reaches out to foreign sources for whatever information they might provide - because they have a unique information base not available domestically on the things the investigated person may have done within or connected to that same foreign country.

#122 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the secret conversation is about information that may be useful to you and it's against your political opponent, then it's the very dictionary definition of colluding! - #110 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 12:35 PM
Do we have any evidence that there was a secret conversation about information that may be useful to you and it's against your political opponent?

#123 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 12:57 PM | Reply

It's obvious that a large number of its citizens don't care about the rule of law or the fact that their guy is a megalomaniac who cozies up to the very worst of the world's most terrible leaders.

People who want to prosecute him for the "crime" of being a megalomaniac don't care about the rule of law.

#124 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-06-13 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Even if this was the direct case (which it wasn't)
#122 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

How the f#k do you know, Tony?

Are you Huma? Podesta? Are you Hillary's email server?

You don't know jack. and are asserting straight from your ass.

#125 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So what's your point?

#109 | Posted by LampLighter

They hate it and don't want to be reminded that the GOP funded website, the Beacon, originally hired GPS Fusion to dig up this dirt that the democrats later used.

That has got to sting just a little.

#126 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He literally admitted he'd happily commit the crime his entire cult of suckers has been saying he didn't commit. - #92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 11:03 AM

This is a lie. It is not a crime to accept information from a foreign entity. It could be a crime if he solicited or accepted that information as a donation. It would not be a crime if he paid fair market value for that information, which he indicated he would do by calling it opposition research.
Why don't you share with us what the crime is you think he'd have committed.

Trump: Man, if someone had a beer here, I'd defintely have a drink.
Drudge reporting: OMG, Trump totally solicited an underage person to illegally purchase alcohol and make an illegal campaign donation!

#127 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 01:08 PM | Reply

Do we have any evidence that there was a secret conversation about information that may be useful to you and it's against your political opponent?

Really?

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

Seriously, go play with Nulli. He seems to enjoy your company.

#128 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 01:09 PM | Reply

Hey Tony, what was Rob Goldstone charged with? Espionage? Conspiracy?

Ahh! That's right! He was charged with nothing.

#129 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-06-13 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My first question would be --- given that Pres Trump thinks this is OK, did candidate Trump accept information from a foreign government during the 2016 campaign? - #51 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-13 09:30 AM
Not that we have any evidence of.

So what's your point?
You responded to me, so I included you in the response to Danni. I found no fault in your statement, but didn't want you to think that I ignored your comment to me. Sorry if I gave offense.

#130 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 01:16 PM | Reply

Rob Goldstone was such a lynchpin in the fauxllusion story that they didn't even bother to give him the Manafort treatment.

#131 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-06-13 01:18 PM | Reply

How the f#k do you know, Tony?

Are you Huma? Podesta? Are you Hillary's email server?

I know because I read and document information not pull stupid BS out of my ass like you. Go back and read post #101. Fusion GPS' head gave testimony to congressional committees. Please document anything pointing to the people you mentioned being connected to the campaign's relationship with Fusion if you believe it exists. Provide evidence that the campaign directed Fusion to hire Michael Steele or had a hand in Fusion's decision. Until the Trump dossier, no one inside the US IC/FBI had a problem with Steele's work and his reliability in his field of expertise, namely Russia.

It's always the person who farts that claims someone else actually did it. Sorta like the way Trump projects his own actions upon others.

#132 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 01:21 PM | Reply

Including the cabal about to be exposed.

Then

You don't know jack. and are asserting straight from your ass.

--------------

Try to be ------- consistent. You don't know ---- about what Barr is doing. For all you know, he'll find Trump colluded like Trump told Lester Holt and Stephanopoulos. You're so quick to lodge your tongue up every right wing ass you can't tell you're a hack.

#133 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-06-13 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ben...

Follow the conversation or leave me out of your rants. I answered a question. I did not imply that what Goldstone did was a crime nor that he should be punished in any way. Goldstone initiated what turned out to be a then-secret meeting in Trump Tower that was never reported to US authorities even after they asked to be told of such contacts.

That answered the question, no more, no less.

#134 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 01:24 PM | Reply

Seriously, go play with Nulli. He seems to enjoy your company. - #128 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 01:09 PM
a secret conversation about information
2 flaws in your premise. 1. That meeting wasn't a secret. When questioned about it, Trump Jr made every bit of information of it available (that the know of, investigation turned up nothing else). 2. You're still missing evidence that there was information that was discussed. The contemporary emails that Jr. released indicated that the lawyer didn't have the information she promised. You've described attempted, but failed, collusion. Care to try again?

#135 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 01:24 PM | Reply

"It could be a crime if he solicited or accepted that information as a donation."

So it is a crime.

#136 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 01:25 PM | Reply

I support the prosecution of any crime committed by a member of either party.

Including Trump.

Including the cabal about to be exposed.

Including you, for abuse of an empty bottle.

#89 | Posted by SheepleSchism

giphy.com

#137 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 01:28 PM | Reply

Beer is good. To hell with you for maligning the good drink. That's enough to tell me what kind of human you are. From a wannabe artist to boot.

#138 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 01:29 PM | Reply

They help a candidate not from the goodness of their hearts, but because they think that candidate will be better for them and worse for the United States. #64 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-13 09:58 AM | Reply
That is a logical failure. Things which are good for other countries are not necessarily worse for the US. Take the free trade agreements we're working on with Canada and Mexico. It is very possible for a Canadian to help a candidate because doing so would be better for both countries. Had the UK chosen to report more flattering information about Sec. Clinton on the BBC because they thought she would be better for US/UK relations, keeping the US in the Paris Climate Accords, or any other reason wouldn't be because they expected it to result in a worse situation for the US.

#139 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 01:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just listening to someone talk is not colluding. Its like the left whang blatting here. Not much makes sense but it doesn't hurt to listen.

#106 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Your party of traitors is reduced to arguing about the definition of "colluding".

Listening to someone tell you they committed a crime to help you, and not reporting that crime, makes you an accomplice.

#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 01:41 PM | Reply

Rob Goldstone was such a lynchpin in the fauxllusion story that they didn't even bother to give him the Manafort treatment.

#131 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

Hey ------- - what did trump's team do when they found out russia was attacking america?

#141 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 01:42 PM | Reply

but it doesn't hurt to listen.

#106 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

So is it like Porn? It doesn't hurt to look?

Is that what you tell the wifey when she catches you looking?

(asking for a friend)

#142 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 01:45 PM | Reply

"It could be a crime if he solicited or accepted that information as a donation."
So it is a crime.
#136 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 01:25 PM

In no way is your statement 'it is a crime' correct. Nothing has happened yet, we are discussing a hypothetical future. Even so, Trump indicated that such a discussion would be opposition research, which tells me that it would be a purchased thing of value. What was said that makes you feel that he would accept donated things of value?

#143 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 01:46 PM | Reply

Listening to someone tell you they committed a crime to help you, and not reporting that crime, makes you an accomplice.
#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 01:41 PM

We don't have any evidence that anyone told Trump or the campaign that they committed a crime. There is no evidence that Trump would have been informed that a crime was being committed other than what was being reported in the news - same as the rest of us. Do you feel better now?

#144 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 01:53 PM | Reply

secret meeting in Trump Tower that was never reported to US authorities even after they asked to be told of such contacts. - #134 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 01:24 PM
That is untrue. Trump Jr. reported the meeting on his security clearance form in April of 2017, 2 months before reported on in the NYTimes.
You know those secrets that you report to the federal government aren't really much of a secret.

#145 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 02:08 PM | Reply

what did trump's team do when they found out russia was attacking america?
#141 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 01:42 PM

Private citizen Trump did the same thing that every other private citizen had the power to do: wonder wtf the executive branch was doing to protect from enemies foreign and domestic.

#146 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 02:12 PM | Reply

Unless Steele used Obama's time machine, he was not a part of the Fusion GPS investigation when it was funded by the GOP. Hence the statement 'Steele was hired initially by a GOP donor' is a lie.

Glenn Simpson testified that the reason Fusion GPS decided to hire Steele, however, was because so much about Trump's Russian connections had been turned up during the original GOP sponsored investigation:

Q. And why did you engage Mr. Steele in May or June of 2016?

A. We had done an enormous amount of work on Donald Trump generally at this point in the project and we began to drill down on specific areas. He was not the only subcontractor that we engaged. Other parts of the world required other people. For example, we were interested in the fact that the Trump family was selling merchandise under the Trump brand in the United States that was made in sweat shops in Asia and South America -- or Latin America. So we needed someone else for that. So there were other things. We were not totally focused on Russia at that time, but we were at a point where we were -- you know, we'd done a lot of reading and research and we were drilling down on specific areas. Scotland was another one.

So that's the answer. What happens when you get to this point in an investigation when you've gathered all of the public record information and you've begun to exhaust your open source, you know, resources is that you tend to find specialists who can take you further into a subject and I had known Chris since I left the Wall Street Journal. He was the lead Russianist at MI6 prior to leaving the government and an extremely well-regarded investigator, researcher, and, as I say, we're friends and share interest in Russian kleptocracy and organized crime issues. I would say that's broadly why I asked him to see what he could find out about Donald Trump's business activities in Russia.


www.feinstein.senate.gov

So, it is possible that without the original Republican sponsored investigation Steele would have never been hired because the underlying, background investigation wouldn't have been in place when/if Democrats hired Fusion GPS.

#147 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 02:12 PM | Reply

Anyways, who cares what Trump throws out as a hypothetical? More than likely he was casting bait.

It sure got gobbled up here.

#148 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 02:13 PM | Reply

Trump indicated that such a discussion would be opposition research, which tells me that it would be a purchased thing of value.

As per usual you're making ish up. Let's check the tape:

Trump presented a hypothetical situation in which "somebody comes up and says, ‘Hey, I have information on your opponent.' Do you call the FBI?" The president went on to say, "I don't think in my whole life I've ever called the FBI" and, "Give me a break. Life doesn't work that way."

When Stephanopoulos challenged Trump, saying that the FBI director believes a person presented with potentially stolen information should call the agency, the president responded, "The FBI director is wrong."

In a clip circulated on Twitter, Stephanopoulos pushed back on Trump's insistence to take the information over calling federal authorities, but Trump held firm, saying a person could "do both."

"There's nothing wrong with listening," Trump said in a video from inside the Oval Office.

When Stephanopoulos suggested a transaction of that kind could constitute election interference, the president disagreed.

"It's not interference. They have information. I think I'd take it. If I thought there was something wrong, I'd go maybe to the FBI," Trump said.

The words "oppo research" were never uttered during the entire course of this conversation. And more to the point of one direct question, if Trump actually PAID for stolen information he'd be committing another crime, purchasing stolen property.

So now could you please drop your "oppo research" nonsense once and for all? It's never been relevant in regards to the facts and details of what happened, not definitions you invented yourself. It's obvious that anyone can GIVE a candidate information that would be considered oppo research based upon their own personal knowledge that no one else might even know about. Your insistence that the word denotes only paid-for information is baseless.

opp·o·si·tion re·search
nounUS
investigation into the dealings of political opponents, typically in order to discredit them publicly.
Not a single word or allusion to a necessary transfer of money between parties anywhere by anyone other than you.

#149 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 02:24 PM | Reply

"The emoluments clause, is a provision of the U.S. Constitution (Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 8) that generally prohibits federal officeholders from receiving any gift, payment, or other thing of value from a foreign state or its rulers, officers, or representatives.

"The clause provides that: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

"The plain purpose of the foreign emoluments clause was to ensure that the country's leaders would not be improperly influenced, even unconsciously, through gift giving, then a common and generally corrupt practice among European rulers and diplomats.

"The foreign emoluments clause also broadly encompasses any kind of profit, benefit, advantage, or service, not merely gifts of money or valuable objects."

www.britannica.com

www.heritage.org


I know this won't matter to Trumpulicans. But, Trump is violating the constitution.

#150 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 02:25 PM | Reply

Private citizen Trump did the same thing that every other private citizen had the power to do: wonder wtf the executive branch was doing to protect from enemies foreign and domestic.

#146 | Posted by Avigdore

If that was his concern he would have notified the executive branch. Not just sit back and accept help from those enemies. "Gosh why aren't the cops arresting these crooks bringing me stolen goods! Guess there's nothing I can do about it! PS - vote for me to be leader of the free world!"

#151 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 02:28 PM | Reply

Anyways, who cares what Trump throws out as a hypothetical? More than likely he was casting bait.

It sure got gobbled up here.

#148 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Patriots care when the president encourages enemies to attack america.

Cult members like you dont.

#152 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 02:29 PM | Reply

Trump: "They have information. I think I'd take it."

"The plain purpose of the foreign emoluments clause was to ensure that the country's leaders would not be improperly influenced, even unconsciously, through gift giving"

This right here is enough to find Trump guilty.

#153 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 02:31 PM | Reply

Hacked emails aren't oppo research. Hacked emails are stolen property. That's why the Russians had to give them to a cut out, in this case Wikileaks, instead of to Team Trump directly. That could be the reason Don Jr may not have gotten the dirt during the Trump Tower meeting as he was anticipating. He may have been told, however, that the emails would be forthcoming and dispensed by Wikileaks.

#154 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 02:31 PM | Reply

Private citizen Trump did the same thing that every other private citizen had the power to do: wonder wtf the executive branch was doing to protect from enemies foreign and domestic.

Then he became president and decided he didn't care?

#155 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 02:33 PM | Reply

who cares what Trump throws out as a hypothetical?

Trump voters.

#156 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 02:34 PM | Reply

Trump just described a federal crime.

Foreign nationals are not allowed to contribute money or things "of value" to campaigns, nor are Americans allowed to solicit such things

Here's the law:

It shall be unlawful for ... a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.

Subparagraph A describes "a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value ... in connection with a Federal, State, or local election."

#157 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-13 02:46 PM | Reply

Then he became president and decided he didn't care?
#155 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-06-13 02:33 PM

Followed suit?

#158 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 02:48 PM | Reply

Just wait til they unravel all the foreigners Hillary paid for dirt.
You're gonna be wow-WOWWED!
#2 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Simple distinction Trump supporters and Bernie-bros alike (apparently) CONTINUE to ignore surrounds said PAYMENT.

It's one thing to hire someone to find information and then subsequently pay for information, it's another (read ILLEGAL) to receive unsolicited information. IOW, you can start the opposition research process by paying someone money, even a foreigner, to find dirt (which is exactly what the RNC did! But you refuse to acknowledge even that much).

What you cannot do is accept unsolicited information from a foreigner (something Hillary did not do, nor did Donald Jr). Why you may ask? Well my good sheep, it has everything to do with what that foreigner would want in exchange and why they would offer dirt in the first place.

See the difference? Hillary's (and the RNC's before her) monetary payment to Steele covers her ass, smart guy.

#159 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 02:48 PM | Reply

#154 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-06-13 02:31 PM
That's a pretty profound 'may' there GT

#160 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 02:50 PM | Reply

You have to admit, The Retort Legal Scholar Team has presented a pretty compelling case that Trump is guilty of talking to Stephanopoulos about hypothetical scenarios.

#161 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 02:52 PM | Reply

Ex-FBI agent schools Trump on why getting dirt from Russia isn't just wrong -- it's stupid

Indeed, there is a difference between a foreign individual doing research and a hostile government hacking an opponent with the purpose of undermining an American election.

www.rawstory.com

#162 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 02:52 PM | Reply

#160 Not really. If Fusion hadn't been working on digging up dirt on Trump for months because someone in the GOP was paying for it, they wouldn't have been at the point they need to hire Steele when the Dems started to. I'm afraid Donner had it right:

They hate it and don't want to be reminded that the GOP funded website, the Beacon, originally hired GPS Fusion to dig up this dirt that the democrats later used.
That has got to sting just a little.
#126 | Posted by donnerboy

#163 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

isn't just wrong -- it's stupid

#162 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Over half of the Retorters would be locked up.

Did I say 'would'? correction: should

#164 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 02:55 PM | Reply

#160 Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to a different post. Anyway, nah, I think the Ruskies knew what they were doing. No one has ever said Putin is dumb. Or careless.

#165 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 02:57 PM | Reply

Trump Jr. reported the meeting on his security clearance form in April of 2017, 2 months before reported on in the NYTimes.
You know those secrets that you report to the federal government aren't really much of a secret.

The meeting and correspondence happened in June of 2016 prior to the election. "Reporting" it 10 months later was not what the FBI requested of the Trump campaign nor was in consistent with their public admonitions of having nothing to do with Russians.

You're such a disreputable arbiter of undisputed information. The meeting remained secret until it's existence no longer could influence the American electorate who might have thought differently of Trump and his campaign were the same information public knowledge before election day 2016.

#166 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#40 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2019-06-13 09:03 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 4

May not have been conspiracy, or collusion for that matter, but Trump was (and is) incredibly eager for it!

It amazes me his supporters are willing to ignore Trump's wants and intent only to focus on what he hasn't done, yet.

#167 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 03:03 PM | Reply

Hillary actually did it .... so I am not sure why the out rage....
#57 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-06-13 09:41 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 3

Hillary and the RNC donor PAID for it, which covers her (and the RNC's) ass. Trump's interested in receiving unsolicited "oppo research" from foreigners with intent to repay via favorable legislative or policy treatment is very much different AND illegal.

It's a simple distinction for any nonpartisan hack to acknowledge. Your CHOSEN refusal to do so truly speaks volumes, MACKRIS.

#168 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kamala Harris @KamalaHarris

China is listening.
Russia is listening.
North Korea is listening.

Let's speak the truth: this president is a national security threat.

#169 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So? Hillary did, and even made ---- up about Trump in Russia
But, I want you Dems keep going on this
#68 | POSTED BY MAVERICK

Why should the focus first be placed on Hillary? Is she in charge of the nuclear codes or policies involving foreign powers?

NO?!

Than why in the hell are you so worried about her when there's someone just as morally and ethically questionable sitting in the WH?

#170 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 03:13 PM | Reply

If that was his concern he would have notified the executive branch. Not just sit back and accept help from those enemies. "Gosh why aren't the cops arresting these crooks bringing me stolen goods! Guess there's nothing I can do about it! PS - vote for me to be leader of the free world!"
#151 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 02:28 PM |

Notify the executive branch of what? He didn't find out about the Trump Tower meeting until July of 2017, after they had been informed of the meeting in April of 2017. What did you expect him to say to the FBI and specifically when? We have no evidence that any body brought Trump any stolen anything.

#171 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:13 PM | Reply

You're such a disreputable arbiter of undisputed information. The meeting remained secret until it's existence no longer could influence the American electorate who might have thought differently of Trump and his campaign were the same information public knowledge before election day 2016.
#166 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 02:58 PM

Your definition of secret is any meeting that doesn't make national headlines? If that were true, then every one of the thousands of meetings that Trump and Sec. Clinton's campaigns were engaged in were secret meetings. A secret is something that you actively hide, not something that you report on your security clearance application. It wasn't a secret meeting, it was a Tuesday (maybe, too lazy to actually check).

#172 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:16 PM | Reply

Trump just described a federal crime. - #157 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-13 02:46 PM
Trump did not describe a donation. There was no discussion at to the payment or lack-thereof involved in the exchange of thing of value.

#173 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:18 PM | Reply

#159 | Posted by rstybeach11

Dictionary:

Bernie bro Trump supporter
noun

1. A conundrum

2. A highly confused and purposefully dishonest individual who claims to support progressive policies but who vehemently supports someone who is completly opposed to said policies.

#174 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-13 03:21 PM | Reply

There was no discussion at to the payment or lack-thereof involved in the exchange of thing of value.

Read this as many times as you need:

"The plain purpose of the foreign emoluments clause was to ensure that the country's leaders would not be improperly influenced, even unconsciously, through gift giving"

Trump saying he's okay with taking anything from Russia is in clear violation of this clause.

#175 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This:

I've been thinking about President Trump's comments to George Stephanopoulos. Why did he say that? That he would do that doesn't surprise me. But why would he say it?

For Trump to say he would not work with a foreign government against his domestic political enemies would suggest that he or his family members or staffers did something wrong in 2016. Maybe they didn't commit a crime. Maybe they didn't "collude", whatever that means. But to say he wouldn't do this in 2020 would be to concede what he has never conceded and cannot concede but which likely strikes most of us as obvious: he and his campaign did something deeply wrong by welcoming and making use of damaging information from a foreign adversary state.

The other reason is more important, both because it goes deeper and sheds light on how we got into the current situation in the first place. The idea that someone could offer you something of value and you would not take it is utterly alien to Trump. He is all appetite and avarice without constraint or rules, all id and no super ego. This has always struck me as the essence of what happened in 2016. The idea that it could be wrong to take certain advantages just wouldn't occur to Trump or those around him.

Josh Marshall

#176 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 03:21 PM | Reply

Let's speak the truth: this president is a national security threat.
#169 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

More fart wafting. Trump is POTUS and speaks to world leaders every day.

He leads international relationships for the US even with with *gasp* Russia, China, and NK.

Did you know that Trump is having dinner with Xi? maybe some G20 collusion going on?

#177 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 03:22 PM | Reply

Not a single word or allusion to a necessary transfer of money between parties anywhere by anyone other than you. - #149 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 02:24 PM
Not a single word or allusion to a refusal of payment other than you? Or did you have a citation that I requested above for your 'being open to compromise/debt while taking it for free.'?
In this entirely hypothetical discussion one of us is pretending that this transfer of information in the form of opposition research and would be handled in the same way as...let's conservatively say the vast majority of opposition research. The other of us is pretending that the transfer of information is in the form of an illegal donation, because that's the only way they can try to paint orange-man-bad.

#178 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Most normal Presidents know people from all over the world.
"Hello....Mr Trump? I heard that Peter Buttklog enjoys urine showers from the beasty bois."
"Oh hello Nowalda, thanks for that tip, but he's an American citizen so there is no way in hell you know more about him than I do."

#179 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-06-13 03:24 PM | Reply

In this entirely hypothetical discussion one of us is pretending that this transfer of information in the form of opposition research and would be handled in the same way as...let's conservatively say the vast majority of opposition research. The other of us is pretending that the transfer of information is in the form of an illegal donation, because that's the only way they can try to paint orange-man-bad.

#178 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Everything Tony types is pretending.

Tony speculates and jumps to more conclusions than Gal Tuesday.

#180 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 03:26 PM | Reply

Most normal Presidents know people from all over the world.

#179 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Most normal patriotic americans know its wrong for the president to be a treasonous crook.

Not your cult.

#181 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:27 PM | Reply

Most normal Presidents

Perhaps, but Trump is an abnormal President.

#182 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 03:28 PM | Reply

Notify the executive branch of what? He didn't find out about the Trump Tower meeting until July of 2017, after they had been informed of the meeting in April of 2017. What did you expect him to say to the FBI and specifically when? We have no evidence that any body brought Trump any stolen anything.

#171 | Posted by Avigdore

That our enemies were attempting to influence the election.

Let me help you understand why this is wrong: Pretend obama did it.

#183 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Most normal patriotic americans know its wrong for the president to be a treasonous crook.
Not your cult.
#181 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:27 PM

Most rational people know that you shouldn't make accusations that you can't support with evidence. Not you (or too many here).

#184 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:31 PM | Reply

Did you know that Trump is having dinner with Xi? maybe some G20 collusion going on?

#177 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Yes and we are all bracing ourselves for the next ridiculous and embarrassing blunder that is worst than the last ridiculously embarrassing blunder by our very own Mad King of Whales.

#185 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 03:34 PM | Reply

POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Unwilling to address his violation of the Emoluments Clause?

That's fine.

It's understandable.

You'd have to actually admit Trump has broken the law.

Which would cause you mental anguish.

#186 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 03:35 PM | Reply

Let me help you understand why this is wrong: Pretend obama did it.
#183 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:28 PM

That's hilarious. I actually posted on this EXECT topic earlier. Let me cut 'n paste it for you:

Destructor: Avigdore, could you imagine the Republican response if Obama said something like this?

Avigdore: I absolutely can. The right would go farking nuts screaming about treason and law-breaking and tan-suited-man-bad. The Left would be explaining that what Obama had said wasn't illegal, it was pro-disclosure, and he was all about letting the Truth come out so the voters could make their own choices.

www.fark.com 4 hours ago.

#187 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:35 PM | Reply

The rest of that post:
Partisan hypocrisy is not solely the realm of the left. The right would absolutely do the same thing. I just would have less to do here to point out the hypocrisy.

*Now someone will claim I'm BSABing*

#188 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:36 PM | Reply

Bernie bro Trump supporter
noun
1. A conundrum
2. A highly confused and purposefully dishonest individual who claims to support progressive policies but who vehemently supports someone who is completly opposed to said policies.

#174 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

SHEEP!

SHEEEEEEEP!

#189 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 03:36 PM | Reply

Your definition of secret is any meeting that doesn't make national headlines?

My definition of secret is any meeting not placed on the official campaign schedule and reported to the public like we see every single day in every single presidential campaign. Your ingenuousness rears its ugly head again. For someone bent on believing that any reference to oppo research is related to the receiver paying money for it, how could a campaign not report such a meeting since it would be publicly dictated to do so by election regulations? Even if nothing came of the meeting, the existence of a meeting would have been placed on the record as a matter of relevant campaign activity.

The only reason not to publicly report such a meeting would be to keep the subject of the meeting secret due to its controversial nature - which is precisely what the Trump campaign did. You report meetings with foreigners expressing interest in helping your campaign due to the fact you do not want to be put into a position of being compromised through not making it public, not then lying about it and other contacts with foreign interests and agents until after the election.

But you know that, yet you persist in playing dumb.

#190 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 03:37 PM | Reply

what information was trump given? what juicy piece of info was offered and accepted?

#191 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 03:37 PM | Reply

That our enemies were attempting to influence the election. - #183 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:28 PM
Once again, we have NO EVIDENCE that Trump had any more knowledge of 'our enemies' attempting to influence the election than you or I did at the time.
So, SPECIFICALLY What would you have Trump tell the FBI and When?
I want to know what has angered you so much that he didn't do. Take a moment to jot it down for us. What would he say, and the date he should have said it. Please.

#192 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:39 PM | Reply

- treasonous

Link?

- crook

Your case evidence?

#181 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY | TDS Cult Member

#193 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 03:41 PM | Reply

how could a campaign not report such a meeting since it would be publicly dictated to do so by election regulations? Even if nothing came of the meeting, the existence of a meeting would have been placed on the record as a matter of relevant campaign activity.
The only reason not to publicly report such a meeting would be to keep the subject of the meeting secret due to its controversial nature - which is precisely what the Trump campaign did. You report meetings with foreigners expressing interest in helping your campaign due to the fact you do not want to be put into a position of being compromised through not making it public, not then lying about it and other contacts with foreign interests and agents until after the election. - #190 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 03:37 PM

This would be news to me. Do you have any link to such election regulations requiring a report of any meeting taken? I'd love to peruse it.
If there is such a requirement, you'll have sold me on Trump Jr and other campaign staff taking part in a secret meeting. If there is no such requirement to report any meeting taken by members of the campaign, then I'm going to let the freedom of assembly and freedom of speech do the talking for me.

#194 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:43 PM | Reply

"You report meetings with foreigners expressing interest in helping your campaign..."

This is what we believe to be the subject matter of these meetings? helping him?

yes...I can see him keeping that meeting secret....but then again, a meeting with a quasi-hostile foreign government during a campaign looks bad no matter what the reason.

#195 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 03:45 PM | Reply

what information was trump given? what juicy piece of info was offered and accepted?

It's not about what he was given, 2016 was 3 years ago.

It's about his willingness (eagerness?) to receive dirt, now, for 2020. Its as if he hasn't learned, or doesn't care.

Why would he care?

#196 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 03:45 PM | Reply

what exactly to election regulations require of a candidate for president regarding meetings? If he wants to meet his son and go over his homework...has to report it? a matinee with his wife/mistress?

what meetings have to be reported?

#197 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 03:46 PM | Reply

Here's the FEC campaign laws, Tony. Just let me know the page number where that requirement is at. Or if it's in some other campaign laws, let me know where.
cdn.factcheck.org

#198 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 03:47 PM | Reply

"It's not about what he was given..."

you mean you don't really know?

what's treasonous about a meeting where nothing of value was exchanged?

#199 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 03:48 PM | Reply

what information was trump given? what juicy piece of info was offered and accepted?
#191 | POSTED BY EBERLY

None, yet.

And that's the absurdity surrounding this. Trump admits to the "yet."

#200 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 03:49 PM | Reply

what's treasonous about a meeting where nothing of value was exchanged?
#199 | POSTED BY EBERLY

There's something to say about intent, EB.

And Trump doubled down on that intent today. Yet, so many Trump supporters her make it out as nothing important.

Why is that?

This isn't about hypotheticals, as asserted by many of Trump's bootlickers. This is about what he's planning on doing in 2020.

And he just ------- admitted to it!

#201 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BREAKING: Several spines found on right side of Senate floor:

Republicans lash Trump for being open to foreign oppo

GOP senators vowed they would immediately turn to the FBI if approached with foreign dirt.

www.politico.com

#202 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-13 03:51 PM | Reply

Even Brian Kilmede was hammering Trump on this topic this morning.

Ducey and the Dunce still tried to back up Trump, but Kilmede was having none of it.

Take a clue from Brian Kilmede, bootlickers!

This is serious even if not illegal.

#203 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-13 03:53 PM | Reply

"Yet, so many Trump supporters her make it out as nothing important."

to them it's nowhere near a smoking gun.

who does this surprise? really...there seems to be a lot of surprise that Trump would have taken dirt and would take dirt tomorrow.

who on this ------- planet is surprised by that fact?

#204 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 03:54 PM | Reply

Most rational people know that you shouldn't make accusations that you can't support with evidence. Not you (or too many here).

#184 | Posted by Avigdore

There are no rational people still defending the president at this point.

It's all just slimeballs and partisans pretending that he's trustworthy because mueller didn't send him to jail.

Trump supporters are as dumb and blind as OJ Simpson supporters. He's a free man too.

#205 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:57 PM | Reply

really...there seems to be a lot of surprise that Trump would have taken dirt and would take dirt tomorrow.

who on this ------- planet is surprised by that fact?

#204 | Posted by eberly

Have you not heard his cult saying the whole thing is a hoax for years now?

#206 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:58 PM | Reply

206

so? you really don't understand those people at all, do you?

I feel strange asking this question but what exactly do you want from Trump supporters? anything other than to stop being a Trump supporter?

let me save you the trouble....stop wasting your time. This confession from trump meaning NOTHING to a trumper. nothing....I'm dead serious.

none of them care.

you really don't understand these people if you think it matters at all to them.

#207 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 04:02 PM | Reply

This is serious even if not illegal.

#203 | Posted by rstybeach11

It is illegal. See #157

#208 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-13 04:04 PM | Reply

-Trump supporters are as dumb and blind as OJ Simpson supporters.

interesting comparison. I doubt any of the OJ supporters would have ever voted for Trump....so guess you just conceded that some folks that vote party line democrat are just as dumb as trumpers.

#209 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 04:04 PM | Reply

Here's the FEC campaign laws, Tony. Just let me know the page number where that requirement is at. Or if it's in some other campaign laws, let me know where.
cdn.factcheck.org

#198 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Another cowardly ------- that lacks standards.

Well, for Trump at least.

#210 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-13 04:05 PM | Reply

So, are we expecting Trump to walk this comment back considering he described his intent to commit a crime if given the opportunity?

#211 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 04:06 PM | Reply

TRUMP SUPPORTERS: Pretend Obama said this.

Trump Supporter reaction if Obama had said this

#212 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-13 04:07 PM | Reply

are we expecting Trump to walk this comment back

He doesn't need to.

His sycophants are doing it for him.

Just read through this thread for proof.

#213 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

how could a campaign not report such a meeting since it would be publicly dictated to do so by election regulations?

This is my last response to you ever. Why did you intentionally cut off the qualifying preface to my comment? I stated what I meant.

For someone bent on believing that any reference to oppo research is related to the receiver paying money for it, how could a campaign not report such a meeting since it would be publicly dictated to do so by election regulations?
Of course it's only related to the law regarding disclosure of campaign expenditures for the purchase of oppo research. Could I have been any clearer?

As it regards campaign daily scheduling, there is no law, but there is protocol. Every single day of a campaign the press office releases the schedule of what the candidate is doing (or not doing) that day. And yes, they normally report meetings if they're campaign related, especially when they involve foreigners, so that there's transparency to keep away appearances of compromise. This is not rocket science. The whole point of taking secret meetings with foreign agents is that they know you haven't told the public - which gives them leverage against you if they were inclined to use it at a later date.

During a presidential campaign the electorate is assessing the character, candor, and honesty (among a million other things) of the candidates. If the public finds out the candidate is lying to their faces and making backroom deals with foreign interests that might undermine the fair electoral process, it's certainly in the public's interest to find that out before they cast their ballots, not after.

Again, this isn't rocket science.

#214 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 04:08 PM | Reply

"Again, this isn't rocket science."

nope. you got that right.

#215 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 04:09 PM | Reply

-And yes, they normally report meetings if they're campaign related,

well, unless you can get proof it was campaign related..then all trump has to do is say it wasn't campaign related.

you really nailed when you said this wasn't rocket science.

and to be honest....none of the trumpers care. you're ------- crazy if you think any of this will turn the head of trumper.

#216 | Posted by eberly at 2019-06-13 04:12 PM | Reply

#216

After all these years you should know with me, it's all about being as honest and detailed as I can. I'm not trying to change minds, I'm trying to express my own feelings and back facts with evidence and conjecture with supportive foundation.

I can live with that.

#217 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Have you not heard his cult saying the whole thing is a hoax for years now - ?#206 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 03:58 PM

Ignoring #192 because it's difficult, Speaksoftly?

#218 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 05:28 PM | Reply

For someone bent on believing that any reference to oppo research is related to the receiver paying money for it, how could a campaign not report such a meeting since it would be publicly dictated to do so by election regulations? - #214 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 04:08 PM

Sorry Tony, I misunderstood the sentence the first time. Here's your answer: Nothing of value was purchased. Nothing of value was received. No campaign finance disclosure was required for not purchasing or receiving anything of value.

Every single day of a campaign the press office releases the schedule of what the candidate is doing (or not doing) that day.
So you agree that there would not normally be any record of the many campaign meetings that the candidate did not take part in?

#219 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 05:31 PM | Reply

you're ------- crazy if you think any of this will turn the head of trumper.

#216 | Posted by eberly

Trumpsters are not really interested in what is legal or not.

So it may not "turn their heads" but it sure gives them liberals lots of good ammo in a target rich environment.

#220 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 05:39 PM | Reply

so? you really don't understand those people at all, do you?

I feel strange asking this question but what exactly do you want from Trump supporters? anything other than to stop being a Trump supporter?

let me save you the trouble....stop wasting your time. This confession from trump meaning NOTHING to a trumper. nothing....I'm dead serious.

none of them care.

you really don't understand these people if you think it matters at all to them.

#207 | Posted by eberly

I'm under no illusions about the ethical depravity of trump's cult. They are a lost cause and should be completely ignored. Luckily they are only a quarter of the country.

The fight is for the swing voters who dont pay attention to politics. Getting them to see that trump is a dangerous crook and his followers are cult members is the most important task democrats have right now.

#221 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 05:40 PM | Reply

- crook

Your case evidence?

#181 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY | TDS Cult Member

#193 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Sheep4trump has never seen anything to make him think trump is a crook. That's how you know he's in the cult, where real news is not allowed.

Tell me sheep4trump - what did michael cohen go to jail for?

#222 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 05:42 PM | Reply

Ignoring #192 because it's difficult, Speaksoftly?

#218 | Posted by Avigdore

If you want to ask me a direct question that's your perogative.

Here's one for you: do you think that a man who accepts help from our enemies to get elected, then lies about accepting that help, then commits crimes to stop the investigation into it, then says he'd do it all again... deserves to be president?

#223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 05:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The fight is for the swing voters who dont pay attention to politics. Getting them to see that trump is a dangerous crook and his followers are cult members is the most important task democrats have right now.
#221 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Sounds like you hate mongers aren't feeling good about 2020.
Relax, 2014 is when President Trump will retire.
Then it might be your turn.

#224 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-06-13 05:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I feel strange asking this question but what exactly do you want from Trump supporters? anything other than to stop being a Trump supporter?"

Then there is a cure.

Impeachment.

We cannot cure the victims of the humpytrumpy virus but we can certainly quarantine patient zero.

#225 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 05:51 PM | Reply

Sounds like you hate mongers aren't feeling good about 2020.
Relax, 2014 is when President Trump will retire.
Then it might be your turn.

#224 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

Big talkers are always hiding the biggest insecurities.

#226 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 06:03 PM | Reply

The fight is for the swing voters who dont pay attention to politics. Getting them to see that trump is a dangerous crook and his followers are cult members is the most important task democrats have right now.

#221 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

You're doing a great job of swinging them your way!

Just keep telling them how stupid they are.

and that they're cult followers.

#227 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 06:21 PM | Reply

Just keep telling them how stupid they are.

and that they're cult followers.

#227 | Posted by SheepleSchism

So I guess you can provide a quote of me calling swing voters stupid then can't you?

Just like you couldnt find a quote of me saying trump polluted the ganges river yesterday, after claiming I said that. Instead you ran away from the thread.

I know accusing your opponent of things they never did works for your cult leader, but you dont have his talents so it doesn't work like that for you. Just makes you look dumber instead.

#228 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 07:03 PM | Reply

So the alt-right nimrods are ok having a russian agent and traitor in the whitehouse as long as he has a (R) after his name.

#229 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-06-13 07:14 PM | Reply

Instead you ran away from the thread.
#228 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I did? Well here I am again, asking you the same question you refuse to answer.
What are you going to do about China's 600 new coal-fired power plants in your climate change agenda?

Still pretending that your Tesla is saving the planet by shifting pollution and slave wages overseas?
Still pretending that the Ganges river isn't polluted to satisfy US consumerism?

Feel free to dive into the details. Let's do this.

#230 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 07:26 PM | Reply

"What are you going to do about China's 600 new coal-fired power plants in your climate change agenda?"

Not build any in America to make up for their stupidity.
You?

#231 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 07:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- to make up

Make up as in balance out? Got any scientific data to support that position Snoofy?

- You?

WTF is that supposed to mean exactly? You personally are not going to build a coal fired power plant? Me neither.

The Chinese are doing that. 600 new ones. How many Carbon Sin Indulgences counters that move?
Is there such a mathematical calculation? Is there an app for that doofus?

#232 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 07:35 PM | Reply

"Make up as in balance out? Got any scientific data to support that position Snoofy?"

You need data to be convinced that if we don't have any coal power plants, we won't have any coal power plant emissions?

#233 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 07:37 PM | Reply

"WTF is that supposed to mean exactly? You personally are not going to build a coal fired power plant? Me neither."

Great. We're off to a good start. Now, just extend it to all of America. Noboby builds coal fired power plants. Seems like you're capable of getting it after all.

#234 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 07:38 PM | Reply

Are you claiming that pollution on the other side of the planet has no net effect on the rest of the planet?

Are you supporting the outsourcing of pollution causing manufacturing to the other side of the earth so that we can consume those products guilt free?

I guess the same goes for the slave that make it too, right? Outta sight, outta mind? Is that how you sleep at night?

#235 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 07:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Seems like you're capable of getting it after all.

#234 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Seems like wishful thinking to me.

#236 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-13 07:40 PM | Reply

"Are you claiming that pollution on the other side of the planet has no net effect on the rest of the planet?"

Are you claiming carbon dioxide is pollution?
No, I'm not claiming no effect.
I'm claiming we can do things to avoid exacerbating the effect.

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 07:44 PM | Reply

Thousands of pollution deaths worldwide linked to western consumers – www.theguardian.com

Study shows extent to which US and western European demand for clothes, toys and mobile phones contributes to air pollution in developing countries

"Western consumers who buy cheap imported toys, clothes and mobile phones are indirectly contributing to tens of thousands of pollution-related deaths in the countries where the goods are produced, according to a landmark study.

Nearly 3.5 million people die prematurely each year due to air pollution, the research estimates, and about 22% of these deaths are associated with goods and services that were produced in one region for consumption in another.

The analysis provides the first detailed picture of the extent to which consumer demand in the US and western Europe contributes to pollution in developing countries, with profound health consequences.

"If the cost of imported products is lower because of less stringent air pollution controls in the regions where they are produced, then the consumer savings may come at the expense of lives lost elsewhere," the authors conclude.

#238 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 07:45 PM | Reply

"I guess the same goes for the slave that make it too, right? Outta sight, outta mind? Is that how you sleep at night?"

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

#239 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 07:46 PM | Reply

First on CNN Business: 600 companies including Walmart, Costco and Target warn Trump on tariffs - www.cnn.com

New York (CNN Business)American retailers, manufacturers and tech companies warned President Donald Trump on Thursday that tariffs on China will damage the US economy, lead to job losses and harm millions of consumers.

More than 600 companies and industry trade associations -- including Walmart, Costco, Target, Gap, Levi Strauss and Foot Locker -- wrote to the White House urging Trump to remove levies on China and end the ongoing trade war.
"We know firsthand that the additional tariffs will have a significant, negative, and long-term impact on American businesses, farmers, families, and the US economy," the companies said in the letter. "An escalated trade war is not in the country's best interest, and both sides will lose."

#240 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 07:46 PM | Reply

"Thousands of pollution deaths worldwide linked to western consumers"

Thousands?
Sounds low.

#241 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 07:46 PM | Reply

Here's one for you: do you think that a man who accepts help from our enemies to get elected, then lies about accepting that help, then commits crimes to stop the investigation into it, then says he'd do it all again... deserves to be president?
#223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 05:43 PM

I did ask you a couple of direct questions. You've avoided answering them because they crush the narrative you've built to try to protect yourself from reality.
That hypothetical person, like everyone else, doesn't 'deserve' to be president.
That hypothetical person doesn't exist currently, but if the electorate chooses them, and the steps aren't taken to remove them, then they're it whether they deserve it or not.
Most people don't get what they deserve.

#242 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 07:48 PM | Reply

Let's square these two articles, shall we?

In the first article, we have evidence that US consumerism is driving pollution and costing lives in third world countries.

In the second article, we have US retailers crying about the evil tariffs and how plastic toys are going to cost more.

Who do you care about Snoofy? People's lives or plastic toy prices?

#243 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 07:48 PM | Reply

#242 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

You'll never get an answer from that phony. Speaks is dumb as a rock.

Snoofy is just intellectually dishonest. look at his most recent responses:

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
#239 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Thousands?
Sounds low.
#241 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

LOL/ What a chump.

#244 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 07:50 PM | Reply

Steele was hired initially by a GOP donor. #30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 08:05 AM
That is a lie.

#99 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2019-06-13 11:58 AM | FLAG:

At least one person has educated you and shown that it is true.

#245 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 07:58 PM | Reply

In October 2015, before the official start of the 2016 Republican primary campaign, The Washington Free Beacon, an American conservative political journalism website primarily funded by Republican donor Paul Singer, hired the American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct general opposition research on several Republican presidential candidates, including Trump.[1] The Free Beacon and Singer were "part of the conservative never-Trump movement".[24] For months, Fusion GPS gathered information about Trump, focusing on his business and entertainment activities. When Trump became the presumptive nominee on May 3, 2016,[25] The Free Beacon stopped funding research on him.[2][26][27]

#246 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 07:59 PM | Reply

Snoofy is just intellectually dishonest.
#244 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

The irony of you making such a statement is mind blowing.

Are you not at all aware of your posts?

#247 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-13 08:02 PM | Reply

When Trump became the presumptive nominee on May 3, 2016,[25] The Free Beacon stopped funding research on him.[2][26][27]
#246 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Fusion GPS hired Steele in June 2016

#248 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 08:04 PM | Reply

Reading, Snoofy? Searching for an angle?

#249 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 08:06 PM | Reply

"Who do you care about Snoofy? People's lives or plastic toy prices?"

Why are you asking if I care about people's lives when you've already pigeon-holed me as a baby murderer?

#250 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 08:23 PM | Reply

I did? Well here I am again, asking you the same question you refuse to answer.
What are you going to do about China's 600 new coal-fired power plants in your climate change agenda?

Still pretending that your Tesla is saving the planet by shifting pollution and slave wages overseas?
Still pretending that the Ganges river isn't polluted to satisfy US consumerism?

Feel free to dive into the details. Let's do this.

#230 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You said I said trump polluted the ganges river. Show me where I said that.

Your cult lets your leader lie. I dont let you.

#251 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 08:46 PM | Reply

At least one person has educated you and shown that it is true. - #245 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-13 07:58 PM |
No, they agreed that it was a lie. As I posted in my #107, but here's the disproval of your lie once again, since you're doubling down.
In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates.In April 2016, attorneys for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016. In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier.

Please, by all means, do let me know what GOP donor hired Steele in June of 2016.

#252 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-06-13 08:50 PM | Reply

Let's skim "progressive" sheep4trump's talking points on this thread so far:

The real russia scandal is hillary.
The mueller investigation found nothing.
Deep state conspiracy.
Environmental efforts are a waste because china pollutes.

What a true progressive agenda! Clearly not the agenda of a trump cult member. Nope not at all.

#253 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 08:55 PM | Reply

You said I said trump polluted the ganges river. Show me where I said that.
#251 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Cut, paste, and link where "I said, that you said, that Trump polluted the Ganges"

Because I never said that.

#253 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY
You're deflecting, Speaks. Don't change the subject.

#230 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting for an answer.

#238 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#240 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#243 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting on an answer

#254 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:09 PM | Reply

#250 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Nice copout

You're dismissed.

#255 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What are you going to do about China's 600 new coal-fired power plants in your climate change agenda?"

This question has been answered.
Here it is again:
Not build any in America.

#256 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 09:10 PM | Reply

NIMBY!
#256 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#257 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:13 PM | Reply

I don't see any of China's pollution from my mom's basement.

Nor can I hear the cries of children, digging with their tiny hands, to harvest enough cobalt to make Speak's Tesla go.

#256 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#258 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:15 PM | Reply

"Nor can I hear the cries of children, digging with their tiny hands, to harvest enough cobalt to make Speak's Tesla go."

Hard to hear much of anything over your incessant whining.
For example, you've posted 50 times in this thread alone.

#259 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 09:17 PM | Reply

Because I never said that

#254 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Wow there's no trump technique that you wont copy is there? Including denying doing something you did in writing/on film. I told you stupid, you dont have his talents for lying to morons. You can't just copy your cult leader and expect it to work the same way.

Here ya go:

www.drudge.com
Blames Trump for Ganges river.

#331 | Posted by SheepleSchism

#260 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 09:18 PM | Reply

Nor can I hear the cries of children, digging with their tiny hands, to harvest enough cobalt to make Speak's Tesla go.

#256 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#258 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Your posts are just lists of debunked conservative talking points that you're too stupid to question.

I told you, if you want a nice car, go get a real job. Unless this is really the extent of your abilities in the world.

#261 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 09:19 PM | Reply

"Unless this is really the extent of your abilities in the world."

Imagine Goatman, except with ten toes.

#262 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 09:20 PM | Reply

I didn't say that you said it. It was meant in a general way, as in, you blame everything on Trump/conservatives.
---

Your posts are just lists of debunked conservative talking points that you're too stupid to question.
#261 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

#254 are not conservative talking points. But you won't read the article, nor will you answer.

All you do is change the subject and talk about your car. The one you pretend is saving the planet.
Yet you refuse to address the shifting of pollution and slave labor to the third world to get it.
You're a phony. Speaks. You won't even face real pollution. You're a fake.

#263 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:26 PM | Reply

#230 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting for an answer.

#238 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#240 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#243 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting on an answer

#264 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:28 PM | Reply

#261 "I told you, if you want a nice car, go get a real job. Unless this is really the extent of your abilities in the world."

Bernie/Warren joint statement to NAACP

#265 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:30 PM | Reply

#263 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I didn't say that you said it. It was meant in a general way, as in, you blame everything on Trump/conservatives.

"Blames Trump for Ganges river."

Well what was I blaming him with? Sign language?

Ohhh I see. You're saying that your words are meaningless and you just say things that aren't true and that it's MY fault for not knowing not to take your words seriously.

#266 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 09:32 PM | Reply

"All you do is change the subject and talk about your car."

LOL.
I'll give you three guesses who made the first reference to Tesla in this thread,
Here's a hint:

"Still pretending that your Tesla is saving the planet by shifting pollution and slave wages overseas?
Still pretending that the Ganges river isn't polluted to satisfy US consumerism?
Feel free to dive into the details. Let's do this.
#230 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

#267 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-13 09:34 PM | Reply

#266 & #267 - Deflections, avoidance

#230 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting for an answer.

#238 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#240 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#243 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting on an answer

#268 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 09:42 PM | Reply

#267 | Posted by snoofy

Sheep4trump can't go 24 hours without being jealous of my car. If he put half the effort into getting a job as he puts into his jealousy of those with jobs, he might be able to buy a car someday. Or at least rent a lime scooter.

#269 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 09:53 PM | Reply

#266 & #267 - Deflections, avoidance

#230 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting for an answer.

#238 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#240 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#243 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting on an answer

#268 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Let's follow the record:

Yesterday you said I said X.
I told you to provide a quote.
You ran away.
Today you are saying you never said that I said X.
I provided proof that you did.
You switched to "well my words aren't meant to be taken literally"

Are we all caught up now?

#270 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-13 09:56 PM | Reply

--without being jealous of my car.

Why would anyone be jealous of your car? I can fill up my tank in 2 minutes and find a gas station anywhere. How long does it take to charge your virtuemobile?

#271 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-13 10:09 PM | Reply

Are we all caught up now?
#270 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Nowhere near...once again, you refuse to discuss the issues resulting in climate change.

I posted two related articles that you refuse to discuss. See below.

I knew you wouldn't. Because you can't.

#230 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting for an answer.

#238 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#240 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Read article
#243 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM - Still waiting on an answer

#272 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 10:09 PM | Reply

CNN Politics @CNNPolitics

Republican Sens. John Cornyn and Thom Tillis are among the lawmakers pivoting from discussing President Trump's remarks on obtaining information on political rivals from foreign governments to the infamous Steele dossier

Ken Dilanian @KenDilanianNBC

Ken Dilanian Retweeted CNN Politics
This is a bizarre line of argument. British citizen Christopher Steele was hired by an American firm which had been hired by Democrats. That was just as legal as the Trump campaign hiring British firm Cambridge Analytica. The issue is foreign contributions, not foreign vendors.

#273 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- The issue is foreign contributions, not foreign vendors.

That is correct. But lets also not conflate procuring Steele's Bogus Dossier with using Steele's Bogus Dossier to obtain FISA warrants.
If Dems wanted to waive that turd around at the convention and let all their groupies get a whiff...who cares?

But to weaponize Obama's FBI, DoJ, and Intel community to create the collusion hoax, as we'll soon see, was criminal.

#274 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 10:51 PM | Reply

#274 - you keep saying that stupid s**t and you never back it up with anything, then whine when people use actual facts, statements, and testimony against your idiotic "points."

Here's a fact:
Sheeple's in a 3-way tie for the 3rd most plonked poster!

#275 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-13 10:54 PM | Reply

#274, #35, #37 So what's your prediction, Willsburrow/Sheepleschism, on how long before the indictments and/or subpoenas are gonna fly?

#276 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 10:55 PM | Reply

- you keep saying that stupid s**t and you never back it up with anything

That an investigation is underway? You didn't know? google it, Mr Angry Pants.

- how long before the indictments and/or subpoenas are gonna fly?

We'll have to wait out the investigation, won't we?

#277 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:03 PM | Reply

Sheeple's in a 3-way tie for the 3rd most plonked poster!
#275 | POSTED BY YAV

Hans. You're the only one who cares.

#278 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:04 PM | Reply

Speaks ran away from #272

Again.

Your Sugar Daddy bought the Tesla, didn't he?

#279 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:07 PM | Reply

I'm not Hans.
I've exchanged email with Hans.
I've never been Hans.
I have always been Yav.
Never anyone else.
Not even in the heyday of people spoofing other poster's names on here.

I almost feel bad for you.

Almost.

#280 | Posted by YAV at 2019-06-13 11:09 PM | Reply

Sure. ok, Hans.

#281 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:12 PM | Reply

Yav isn't Hans.

#282 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 11:14 PM | Reply

But lets also not conflate procuring Steele's Bogus Dossier with using Steele's Bogus Dossier to obtain FISA warrants.

That would be related to Carter Page's FISA warrants starting in the fall of 2016, right? This guy?

Carter Page Touted Kremlin Contacts in 2013 Letter

Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page bragged that he was an adviser to the Kremlin in a letter obtained by TIME that raises new questions about the extent of Page's contacts with the Russian government over the years. The letter, dated Aug. 25, 2013, was sent by Page to an academic press during a dispute over edits to an unpublished manuscript he had submitted for publication, according to an editor who worked with Page.

"Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda," the letter reads.

In January 2013, Page met a Russian diplomat named Victor Podobnyy at an energy conference in New York City, according to court documents. The two exchanged contact information, sent each other documents on energy policy and met several more times to discuss the topic, the documents allege. Two years later, in January of 2015, Podobnyy was charged in absentia -- along with two other Russians -- with working as a Russian intelligence agent under diplomatic cover.

Court records include a transcript of a conversation where Podobnyy talks about recruiting someone named "Male-1" by making "empty promises" about "connections in the [Russian] Trade Representation." Page now acknowledges that he was "Male-1." Podobnyy and one of the Russians had diplomatic immunity and left the U.S. The third Russian was arrested and eventually expelled from the U.S. in April 2017.

So the Russians are on tape saying they might recruit Page years before Page connected to Trump, but Steele's raw intelligence research was the primary reason FISA surveillance warrants were issued by the Court?

You ignorant imbeciles are subverting what actually sometimes works within our national security apparatus for the sake of supporting liars, con men and thieves. Steele's research supported what the feds already knew and suspected about Page, and YES, the fact he linked up with Trump made him a possible threat worth surveiling under the circumstances. The rest of your theory is garbage just like the trash you continue to support beyond all facts and reason.

#283 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-13 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#283 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

And I'm sure you'll disagree with Barr when the time comes.

www.nytimes.com

#284 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-13 11:23 PM | Reply

AND?:

Nancy Pelosi @SpeakerPelosi

There was an assault on our democracy by the Russians. That has been clearly proven by our intelligence community. @realDonaldTrump's invitation of further attacks is dangerous & a violation of his oath of office.

#285 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-06-13 11:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"@realDonaldTrump's invitation of further attacks is dangerous & a violation of his oath of office."

So, Nancy, when do the impeachment hearings begin. You are violating your oath of office every day you refuse to allow them to begin.

#286 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-14 07:07 AM | Reply

So, Nancy, when do the impeachment hearings begin. You are violating your oath of office every day you refuse to allow them to begin.

POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-06-14 07:07 AM | REPLY

Then people wonder why I hated her and didn't want her as speaker. It's not because she's a woman that's for sure.

#287 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-14 07:15 AM | Reply

"Then people wonder why I hated her and didn't want her as speaker. It's not because she's a woman that's for sure.

Your mistake would be in assuming that any other Speaker would behave differently. In a job where it's all political considerations day in and day out, when a need to exercise a constitutional prerogative comes along its difficult to shift gears in order to exercise it. Willing or otherwise.

#288 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-06-14 07:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"- how long before the indictments and/or subpoenas are gonna fly?"

Sobpoenas have been issued for weeks.

#289 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-14 10:16 AM | Reply

" But lets also not conflate procuring Steele's Bogus Dossier with using Steele's Bogus Dossier to obtain FISA warrants."

Ok we won't and they didn't.

The Steele Dossier did not start the FBI investigation into Russian hacking. They were already investigating the Russians when Carter Page got drunk.

They started interceptions on CARTER PAGE.

As you know Comrade, the Steele report on added fuel the fire.

And, of course, trump did not help himself with his big stupid mouth.

Trump never helps himself with his big stupid mouth.

Also I don't need to remind you about that much of the Steele Report turned out to be TRUE.

You should learn from that, but, you won't.

#290 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-14 12:13 PM | Reply

So today in twitter land trumpy says (and getting lectured from his lawyers) he will now call the FBI but will still look at the dirt. Because he loves dirt!!!

Of course, having said that no one bring humpy any dirt because he has declared he will turn them into the FBI.

So I guess that is a good thing. Progress!

Maybe I won't wish him into the cornfield today.

#291 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-14 12:17 PM | Reply

Why would anyone be jealous of your car? I can fill up my tank in 2 minutes and find a gas station anywhere. How long does it take to charge your virtuemobile?

#271 | Posted by nullifidian

About 5 seconds every night.

By the way. You're welcome for spending more on an american product designed and built by americans creating american jobs that also helps YOU breathe cleaner air.

You're so stupid and brainwashed that you attack the people trying to make YOUR life better.

#292 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 01:23 PM | Reply

Nowhere near...once again, you refuse to discuss the issues resulting in climate change.

#272 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I refuse to discuss anything with anyone who will later just turn around and disavow their previous statements.

You told me your words don't mean anything. Why would I waste my time arguing with someone who doesn't even stand by their own statements?

#293 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- I refuse to discuss anything

Except your Chinese Pollution Shifting car, and now your "juicy ass" gf. LOL

- Why would I waste my time arguing with someone who doesn't even stand by their own statements?

I stand by my statements, not by the way you twist them.

#294 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-14 01:45 PM | Reply

I stand by my statements, not by the way you twist them.

#294 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Really? You still stand by this statement?

"You blame trump for the ganges river."

#295 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 01:48 PM | Reply

" not by the way you twist them."

Yeah...that quoting verbatim stuff is SO unfair!

#296 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-14 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

A bill has been introduced in Congress to make it illegal to not report US electioneering participation of any kind by a foreign national. You can be sure that that law will never be applied to Israel, which has been interfering in US elections since the day it was born.

#297 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-14 02:10 PM | Reply

The Obama administration accepted dirt from Alexander Downer (Australia) over gossip he picked up from Papadapolous and used it as a pretext to launch a counter-intelligence investigation.

The country Trump cited as an example during this interview was Norway.

Now that I've gotten those deflections out of the way...this is why Trump's handlers should never let him do an interview. He speaks without thinking and is VERY imprecise in his articulation. He also exaggerates and tells lies that are easily disproven. In short, he's a debacle.

#298 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-14 03:20 PM | Reply

Now that I've gotten those deflections out of the way...this is why Trump's handlers should never let him do an interview. He speaks without thinking and is VERY imprecise in his articulation. He also exaggerates and tells lies that are easily disproven. In short, he's a debacle.

#298 | Posted by JeffJ

If they're patriots, then they SHOULD let him do interviews so that he'll say something that will put him in jail.

Stop giving advice about how to protect this dangerous moron.

#299 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-14 03:53 PM | Reply

Stop giving advice about how to protect this dangerous moron.

He's their dangerous moron and he represents them better than the democratic alternative.

They're sure of it.

#300 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-14 04:27 PM | Reply

The Obama administration accepted dirt from Alexander Downer (Australia) over gossip he picked up from Papadapolous and used it as a pretext to launch a counter-intelligence investigation.

Seriously, what the frack is wrong with you? "The Obama Administration" didn't accept squat from Downer, the US intelligence services received his report through the designated channels that the nations share as a matter of national security. And that sole conversation was never the only reason a CI investigation was started. There were numerous documented instances where known Trump associates were observed meeting/contacting Russian agents under routine surveillance by Five Eyes partners and other nations that share intelligence with the US, not to mention the Trumper's repeated and incessant public pronouncements that no one connected to the campaign was in direct contact with any Russians. This combination of facts topped off by a direct report of potential collusive conduct led to the initiation of the CI investigation as it should have, regardless who happened to occupy the White House.

I truly can't believe you've drunk the insanity kool-aide that defies any political logic whatsoever. If Obama or any IC/LE bureaucracy was aligned against Trump and wanted to insure he wasn't elected, the most potent weapon against Trump's ascension would have been to leak or avow to the public that there was an active and ongoing investigation of Trumpers within the campaign over their documented contacts with Russian agents/cutouts anytime before the election took place. History documents how Obama - once sure of Russian incursions - tried to issue a non-partisan alert of Russia's actions through the Gang of Ten and he was rebuffed by Mitch McConnell and then did nothing of substance publicly while Comey, the FBI and Weiner's laptop kept Hillary's emails in the news cycles up until election day. Lock her up could have easily turned into lock THEM up had insuring Trump's demise been the Administration's and the IC's goal. People that are doing illicit things with this nation's adversaries while lying about it to an unsuspecting public cannot and should not be allowed to try and cover their own complicity by blaming investigators for following the obvious clues of their coordinated actions. The fact that the law and order party is allowing organized criminals to both ignore laws and standards while trying to turn those investigating what they've done into criminals themselves for simply doing their jobs is absolutely disgusting.

#301 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-06-14 09:20 PM | Reply

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