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Tuesday, June 11, 2019

Election Systems & Software, which describes itself as the nation's leading elections-equipment provider, has vowed to stop selling paperless electronic voting systems -- at least as the "primary voting device in a jurisdiction."

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Yes, I'm all for anything that requires Democrats to huddle behind locked doors and manually count paper before it's placed in the shredder and incinerator.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-11 12:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"that requires Democrats to huddle behind locked doors and manually count paper "

What a maroon.

Why are you pretending all the counters are Democrats? Or even the majority, for that matter?

Are you using Vernon's Calculator? If so, you should know: t's keyed to Republican Math™, where 2 + 2 = Whatever my agenda requires.

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-11 12:26 PM | Reply

From the cited article:

... The use of paperless voting machines became widespread in the early 21st century. Some states "upgraded" to paperless systems using federal dollars intended to prevent a repeat of the Florida recount debacle in the 2000 presidential election. Initially, few people paid attention to computer security experts who warned that these systems were vulnerable to hacking.

More recently, states have begun to heed those warnings, and a number of states have shifted to voter-marked, optical-scan paper ballots. Such optical-scan ballots can be counted by machines, but they still leave room for a full hand recount if there's a dispute about the accuracy of the machine count....


My state (Connecticut) went from the ancient mechanical voting machines to the optical scan paper ballots. It's worked quite well.

The scanning machines are on one side of the polling room, near the exit. You walk in, mark the ballot and put it into the scanner to be counted on your way out.

The scanner is standalone, i.e., not on a network, and the paper ballots are stored inside a locked portion of the scanner.

The only problem I've seen is that a couple polling places have run out of the blank paper ballots, and have had to pause voting until more could be obtained.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-11 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes, I'm all for anything that requires Democrats to huddle behind locked doors and manually count paper before it's placed in the shredder and incinerator.
#1 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-06-11 12:22 PM

Question to you: what could be more efficient and verifiable than pencil and paper?

Imo, nearly everyone uses a cell phone, why not a voting app?

#4 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-11 08:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#4 ... nearly everyone uses a cell phone, why not a voting app? ...

Security Experts Voice Reservations About Mobile Voting
www.govtech.com

...The fight over mobile voting pits technologists who warn about the risks of entrusting voting to apps and cellphones against others who see Internet voting as the only hope for getting most Americans to consistently participate on election day.

"There are so many things that could go wrong," said Marian Schneider, president of Verified Voting, a coalition of computer scientists and government transparency advocates pushing for more-secure elections. "It is an odd time for this to be gaining momentum."

Behind the vote-by-phone push is a political operative who grew rich helping Uber elbow its way onto city streets and Bird populate the sidewalks with electric scooters, and who sees mobile voting as a potential cure for an ailing democracy....


And how will those who do not have the ability to run a voting app be able to vote? So far, optical readers of paper seems to be the most secure premise presented.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-06-11 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Neither party wants a secure private elections network for obvious reasons. But they exist, right now, in gov't.
Air Force, Army, Navy, Drone pilots, FAA, e911, P25 radio networks, they exist.

As long as the private network operates on private leased lines, and is not connected to the internet, it's secure.
The exception is insider threat. That can be tracked with two-factor token and biometrics. Make it TS/SCI and it's 99.9% golden.

Explain why this isn't a done deal. Explain why Dem's haven't demanded it. Explain why we're talking about paper trails.

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 12:13 AM | Reply

As long as the private network operates on private leased lines, and is not connected to the internet, it's secure.

Actually Secure Fiber, Copper, and Radio can and have been intercepted and spoofed before.

First it was DES but then that was no good so we went to 3DES but then that became no good so now we have gone to AES and now that's been broken too. If it's so damn secure, why are we changing encryption all the time?

No sorry, you just can't beat paper as a election validator.

Air Force, Army, Navy, Drone pilots, FAA, e911, P25 radio networks, they exist.

....AND..... they have all gone down... usually at the least opportune times...

#7 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-06-12 12:55 AM | Reply

Air gapped systems require physical access.

hence my caveat; insider threat.

Paper is far more 'hackable'. eg. fraud

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-12 01:18 AM | Reply

"The only problem I've seen is that a couple polling places have run out of the blank paper ballots, and have had to pause voting until more could be obtained."

One has to wonder how stupid the person running that polling place must be to not be able to have enough paper ballots available on election day.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-12 09:22 AM | Reply

"Paper is far more 'hackable'. eg. fraud"

What a load of b******t!

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-12 09:23 AM | Reply

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"No sorry, you just can't beat paper as a election validator."

Absolutely true and the only people who would argue against that statement don't want fairly counted elections.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-12 09:24 AM | Reply

"One has to wonder how stupid the person running that polling place must be to not be able to have enough paper ballots available on election day."

This is what happens when you print out ballots for the number you expect to show up rather than for the number of registered voters in your precinct. It's a f up based on economic considerations.

#12 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-06-12 09:31 AM | Reply

When I pull into a fast food restaurant at lunch time and they are out of french fries I always do consider the intelligence of that store manager. Same thing with the person responible for ordering the paper ballots. I mean, who would expect lots of customers at lunch time? who would expect lots of voters on election day?

#13 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-12 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That's better, but not good enough. Those voters that noticed, have complained in the past, that their vote for one candidate was improperly assigned to an opponent. Proprietary software has no place in a secure system of vote counting. Nor does running around willy-nilly with memory sticks.

#14 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-12 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This has been a problem with politics for a long time. The speed of the world has far surpassed the speed of politics. We should have been on digital systems a very long time ago. Any system can be secured enough where there is no chance of compromised within a reasonable time frame. It just takes a lot of work. This is what I have been doing for over 2 decades now. But since politics can't keep up with the changing times, by the time they figure out the proper policies and standards for security, 10 years have gone by and the whole paradigm has shifted.

#15 | Posted by humtake at 2019-06-12 12:56 PM | Reply

The "speed of politics" is a meaningless phrase in the USA, where politicians only write laws for the benefit and approval of the 0.01%, if they write them at all. Montana switched to paper and pencil, which is as secure as the person holding the ballots. Optical test scoring technology is fast, secure and proven, because it is free of proprietary software. Republicans are behind all the endless voting problems in this day and age in the USA.

#16 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-12 08:51 PM | Reply

"The "speed of politics" is a meaningless phrase in the USA, where politicians only write laws for the benefit and approval of the 0.01%,"

There are so many laws enacted every year that do nothing for the .01%, so try again. The ones you see in the headlines are just a fraction of what Congress goes through every year. Your discrimination and jealousy of people who have more than you is showing.

"Republicans are behind all the endless voting problems in this day and age in the USA."

And that is why nothing ever gets better. Hypocrites on the Left seem to think every problem is because of Reps, so they refuse to address problems the Dems cause. So those problems never get solved. Then the Right seems to think every problem is because of Dems, so they refuse to address the problems the Reps cause. So the problems caused by Reps are never addressed. So things just keep getting worse. Way to be part of the problem.

#17 | Posted by humtake at 2019-06-13 12:07 PM | Reply

"And that is why nothing ever gets better. Hypocrites on the Left seem to think every problem is because of Reps, so they refuse to address problems the Dems cause."

That's just a lie, Republicans have created problems for voters who are likely to vote Democrat for a very long time now, in many ways and have stoen elections with impunity. You can claim otherwise but you fool no one.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-13 12:26 PM | Reply

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