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Chronic street homelessness in Seattle has become a constant reminder of civic failure in a progressive city that's thriving economically.

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The crisis is spreading up and down the West Coast, with both the Bay Area and Los Angeles recently reporting big increases in their homeless populations, as out-of-control housing costs tip people into living on the streets. But other cities have had more success in raising new funds to tackle the crisis. San Francisco voters last fall overwhelmingly passed a measure, championed by Salesforce.com Inc. co-chief executive officer Marc Benioff, that would raise as much as $300 million a year for homeless services through a tax on big companies. In Los Angeles, residents in 2017 approved a quarter-of-a-cent sales tax. - FTA

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-10 10:34 AM | Reply

So a major problem is the fault of those that can't solve it now it's here, but not the fault of those that caused the conditions that created the problem in the first place?

If a tire is flat, it's the fault of the person doesn't have a jack, and not the fault of the nail?

#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-06-10 11:19 AM | Reply

SF and Seattle are the most "progressive" big cities in the country. The results speak for themselves.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-10 11:24 AM | Reply

"SF and Seattle are the most "progressive"

seattle isn't even in the top ten

#4 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-06-10 11:51 AM | Reply

If a tire is flat, it's the fault of the person doesn't have a jack, and not the fault of the nail?
#2 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST

Yes ... failure to plan is planning to fail.

seattle isn't even in the top ten

Top3?
www.pewresearch.org

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-10 12:05 PM | Reply

2014. It is 2019, fool

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-06-10 12:30 PM | Reply

...failure to plan is planning to fail.
#5 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Exactly my point. Do you really believe that these homeless folks grew up and spent their entire lives in the Seattle area? This is an American problem. As a society, we fail to plan ahead and then blame these problems on whomever's doorstep it ends up on.

#7 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-06-10 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

But I guess in another way you are correct, more folks should plan ahead to fight the greedy capitalist pigs who love to create such problems as the opioid and housing crises so they can benefit financially.

#8 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-06-10 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

SF and Seattle are the most "progressive" big cities in the country. The results speak for themselves.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian

That thriving economies are pricing people out of the housing markets?

Would you rather everywhere be like an Alabama trailer park?

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-10 01:24 PM | Reply

"The results speak for themselves."

^
What to say when you have nothing to say.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 02:04 PM | Reply

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"Ramp up the sweeps".

No ----. It's not a money problem. No alcohol, no drugs in shelters. People love alcohol and drugs.

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-10 03:40 PM | Reply

^
What to say when you have nothing to say.

#10 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

A terrific illustration.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 03:46 PM | Reply

It wouldn't be a day ending in "Y" without our daily homeless thread from Bozo or Mattress.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 03:47 PM | Reply

The crisis is spreading up and down the West Coast, with both the Bay Area and Los Angeles recently reporting big increases in their homeless populations, as out-of-control housing costs tip people into living on the streets. But other cities have had more success in raising new funds to tackle the crisis. San Francisco voters last fall overwhelmingly passed a measure, championed by Salesforce.com Inc. co-chief executive officer Marc Benioff, that would raise as much as $300 million a year for homeless services through a tax on big companies. In Los Angeles, residents in 2017 approved a quarter-of-a-cent sales tax. - FTA

#1 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Up and down the coast?

You mean nationwide. Texas has huge spikes in homelessness too the last 2 years.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-06-10 03:48 PM | Reply

No ----. It's not a money problem. No alcohol, no drugs in shelters. People love alcohol and drugs.
#11 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Seattle doesn't see that as part of the solution. In fact, they're working on more safe-injection sites.

Even worse, Seattle and Vancouver, BC are looking into Rx heroin.

mynorthwest.com
www.king5.com

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 03:52 PM | Reply

"In fact, they're working on more safe-injection sites."

Worse?
What's worse about that?

Let's try this: Should addicts use clean needles or dirty needles?
Which ends up costing taxpayers more?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Up and down the coast?
You mean nationwide. Texas has huge spikes in homelessness too the last 2 years.
#14 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

The subject of this thread is Seattle, Psychopants.

and another example of the apocalyptic failure of Dem-controlled cities.

Are you trying to diminish the problem, spread it out, or claim it doesn't exist?

oh, and WHATABOUT Texas?!?!?

#17 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 03:59 PM | Reply

Which ends up costing taxpayers more?

#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Enablement.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 04:00 PM | Reply

How do you eat an elephant?

You don't! You FEED it!

- Snoofy

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 04:01 PM | Reply

What do you do with a bull in a china shop?

Make it a SAFE space! and invite its friends!

-Snoofy

#20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 04:02 PM | Reply

Which ends up costing taxpayers more?
#16 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Enablement.
#18 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Enablemebt of what?
Spreading disease through dirty needles?
Or stopping the spread of disease by providing clean needles?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What do you do with a bull in a china shop?
Make it a SAFE space! and invite its friends!
-Snoofy
POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM"

Incorrect.
The correct answer: Reduce the harm it causes.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:05 PM | Reply

Enablemebt of what?
#21 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Addiction. Why would you not want to treat that?

Treat the addiction, and needles become a moot point.

You'd rather treat the needle and ignore the need for its use.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 04:07 PM | Reply

they're working on more safe-injection sites.

Still ignoring the science on safe injection sites?

How many times does it need to be posted for you?

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 04:08 PM | Reply

"Addiction. Why would you not want to treat that?"

I do want to treat that.
You're just making stuff up now.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:08 PM | Reply

"Still ignoring the science on safe injection sites?"

Facts are not persuasive to people like SheepleSchism.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:09 PM | Reply

Still ignoring the science on safe injection sites?
How many times does it need to be posted for you?
#24 | POSTED BY JOE

Science? LOL. SIS's ensure that addicts will continue to abuse safely. What step is that in Narcotics Anonymous?

You want to hear a common refrain from a NA meeting? "How can you tell if an addict is lying?" I bet you know the answer Joe.

I do want to treat that.
You're just making stuff up now.
#25 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You want to treat that dirty needle. Not the addict. You're an addiction enabler.

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 04:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

9 Tips for Family Members to Stop Enabling an Addict - www.therecoveryvillage.com

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 04:24 PM | Reply

"You want to treat that dirty needle. Not the addict. You're an addiction enabler."

You're just lying now.

Nowhere have I ever said I don't want to treat addiction.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:25 PM | Reply

"9 Tips for Family Members"

Thanks, but no one in my family is an addict.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:26 PM | Reply

Nowhere have I ever said I don't want to treat addiction.

#29 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Supplying an addict with anything but treatment and support for treatment, isn't treatment. It's enabling their addiction.

NA supports this position, and has supported it since its inception. You're on the wrong side of this argument.

#31 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 04:36 PM | Reply

Is that why homelessness in LA, and across the state, is on the rise? Is that "caring"?

It is is because of the location dummy.

The weather on the west coast is much more conducive to living outdoors than most anywhere else in America. So if you can live outdoors (for free) AND collect benefits you might actually be able to eat.

"The exchange underscored an impasse that's persisted in Seattle a year after Amazon.com Inc. and other companies beat back a city effort to raise money for homeless services through a tax on large employers."

Profit before people.

Of course.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-10 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Supplying an addict with anything but treatment and support for treatment, isn't treatment. It's enabling their addiction."

The widespread availability of drugs (thanks, Capitalism!) is what enables addiction.
The availability of clean needles reduces the harm of drug addiction.
Reducing the harm of addiction isn't only for the benefit of addicts, though they are the most direct beneficiaries.
It's for the betterment of society as a whole, in both health and economics.

I support decriminalizing drugs, I support addiction treatment, and I support needle exchanges. I'm coming at this problem from all angles.

You're coming at this problem from the angle of making Snoofy look bad on the Internet.
Well, everyone's got to have a hobby I suppose!

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"NA supports this position"

Bunch of twelve-steppers that are only marginally effective at what they aim to achieve.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 04:45 PM | Reply

Supplying an addict with anything but treatment and support for treatment, isn't treatment. It's enabling their addiction.

I agree that actual treatment should be offered and heavily promoted. But some will refuse it. And condemning those who refuse it to dorty needles and unsafe places makes them statistically more likely to get diseases and die of overdoses.

I don't like when people get diseases and die. I'm sorry you find that so laughable.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 05:02 PM | Reply

Bunch of twelve-steppers that are only marginally effective at what they aim to achieve.
#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

NEWSWORTHY

Works for some, but is not supported by most law enforcement agencies as being evidence-based.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 05:02 PM | Reply

" 2014. It is 2019, fool"

#6 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2019-06-10 12:30 PM | FLAG: What is about you and your ilk continually 'name calling'? It is as if emotionally you've never gotten past grade school. If you feel it makes you appear manly, think again.

#37 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-06-10 05:11 PM | Reply

#37 | POSTED BY MSGT

Were you not here prior to RCADE's rules regarding profanity? Apparently so.

#38 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 05:13 PM | Reply

I'm sorry you find that so laughable.
#35 | POSTED BY JOE

Who's laughing, liar?

-I don't like when people get diseases and die.

Addiction IS a disease that has killed millions. Feeding it more heroin isn't treatment.

Neither is leaving them to de in the streets.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 05:14 PM | Reply

2014. It is 2019, fool

#6 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

Your implied assertion being that Seattle got more conservative since 2014? I accept your assertion and offer an opportunity to provide citation that will dazzle us all....

#40 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-06-10 05:18 PM | Reply

Bunch of twelve-steppers that are only marginally effective at what they aim to achieve.
#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You're wrong. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

SIS's are just dive bars for heroin users. Nobody is seeking treatment there.

Just as alcoholics aren't seeking treatment at a dive bar.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 05:23 PM | Reply

Feeding it more heroin isn't treatment.

Safe injection sites don't give anyone heroin, liar. They make sure that people who are going to use heroin can do so in a manner that makes them statistically less likely to get diseases and die.

Just because people die from addiction anyway doesn't mean we shouldn't try to have less of them die.

#42 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 05:32 PM | Reply

- Safe injection sites don't give anyone heroin, liar.
Of course not. They buy is right outside the door.

- They make sure that people who are going to use heroin can do so in a manner that makes them statistically less likely to get diseases and die.

Kind of like installing a Breathalyzer at a dive bar. So we're in agreement that SIS's aren't a part of treating addiction.

and if they're not a part of treating addiction, then they're simply attracting and enabling addicts.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 05:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

www.homesnacks.net

And these are the most Liberal cities to in America for 2019:
Berkeley, CA
San Francisco, CA
Oakland, CA
Arlington, VA
Pasadena, CA
Boulder, CO
Sunnyvale, CA
Durham, NC
Alexandria, VA
Bellevue, WA

..and which cities in the US have the highest per capita homeless rates?

www.hudexchange.info

..about Seattle...

komonews.com

..is it getting worse? Politifact thinks so..

www.politifact.com

Okay, SamCoco. Your turn.

#44 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-06-10 05:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Kind of like installing a Breathalyzer at a dive bar.

It's actually...not like that at all. Why are you so terrible at analogies?

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 05:43 PM | Reply

Why are you so terrible at analogies?
#45 | POSTED BY JOE

Why are you so invested in enabling addicts?

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 05:49 PM | Reply

Why are you so invested in enabling addicts?

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Why do you lie so much?

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-10 05:54 PM | Reply

Why are you so invested in enabling addicts?
#46 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Because said enabling is part of the most effective means of addressing the problem as a whole. It may sound counter-intuitive, but best practices prove it's not.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 05:55 PM | Reply

Why are you so invested in enabling addicts?

You must have missed the part where i said that "I agree that actual treatment should be offered and heavily promoted. But some will refuse it. And condemning those who refuse it to dirty needles and unsafe places makes them statistically more likely to get diseases and die of overdoses."

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 05:58 PM | Reply

- condemning those who refuse it
#49 | POSTED BY JOE

Refusing treatment is part and parcel of addiction.

Enabling the addiction to continue is simply aiding and abetting the addict.

Is opioid addiction increasing or decreasing where these enabling sites exist?

Are they helping with addiction or simply passing the buck?

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 06:11 PM | Reply

Is opioid addiction increasing or decreasing where these enabling sites exist?
Are they helping with addiction or simply passing the buck?

I'm not your personal search engine. If you are genuinely curious about those questions, go find the answers rather than make implications.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 06:25 PM | Reply

"SIS's are just dive bars for heroin users. Nobody is seeking treatment there."

So what?
In related news, "Bars are just bars for alcoholics. Nobody is seeking treatment there."

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 06:36 PM | Reply

So what?
In related news, "Bars are just bars for alcoholics. Nobody is seeking treatment there."

#52 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Which is why we don't have taxpayer funded dive bars.

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-10 06:37 PM | Reply

"Are they helping with addiction or simply passing the buck?"

Helping with addiction...
youtu.be
"Without it, I could go even blinder!"

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 06:40 PM | Reply

"Which is why we don't have taxpayer funded dive bars."

Uh, no.
The 21st Amendment is why we don't have taxpayer funded dive bars.
Make heroin legal and any bar that served dirty needles would be shut down by the health department.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-10 06:42 PM | Reply

Those of us in reality know that not every heroin addict is going to waltz into treatment, succeed, and never use heroin again. Some will not show up at all, others will but will relapse. I say make it less likely for those people to die. Sheeple says "---- those people."

#56 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 06:44 PM | Reply

I say make it less likely for those people to die. Sheeple says "---- those people."
#56 | POSTED BY JOE

Relapse is part of recovery. Making that relapse as safe as possible only benefits the general populace overall; well beyond any potential unintended consequences stemming from SIS.

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

@ Fat Andy Mattress, take your big ole keister to Salt Lake City some time.
They claim they have very little homeless but it's a lie. It's worse than Seattle from what I saw.

They totally filled a downtown park by a movie theatre we went to. Theatre had a
security guard to keep the homeless out as they'd go in and bathe in the restrooms.

The homeless issue is nationwide, it's just that ---- hole (R)tarded city's lie about it.

@comrade Pinto,
FYI troglodyte, Bellevue, Wa and the east side is very conservative as that is where the wealthiest live and they ain't voting democratic you silly hilljack! Might want to double check your sources next time Cleetus.

#58 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-06-10 08:04 PM | Reply

Do you think there could be any relationship between homelessness, stagnant wages, massive real estate investment by flippers who add as much as a 400% speculatin premium to housing prices, Current administration encouragement of foreign real estate investment, and media glorification of get rich quick real estate schemes?

#59 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-06-10 08:35 PM | Reply

Sorry dudes, but this is every American big city. And small town. And international city, minus places like Singapore that straight kill the ------------- boat rockers.

You all are supposed to be older than me. Display your wisdom gleaned from age.

#60 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-06-10 08:39 PM | Reply

--Current administration encouragement of foreign real estate investment

Nice try. Chinese have been buying up real estate, especially on the west coast, for over a decade.

"According to an Asia Society Special Report, Chinese investment in residential property amounted to $93 billion between 2010 and 2015,"

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-10 08:45 PM | Reply

www.conservativereview.com

#62 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-06-10 09:15 PM | Reply

So yes foreign investment is part of the problem

#63 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-06-10 09:17 PM | Reply

#58 My source was the American voters, dumbass. The linked article contains the methodology.

#64 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-06-10 10:35 PM | Reply

58 My source was the American voters, dumbass. The linked article contains the methodology.

#64 | POSTED BY Comrade Pinto
Your link is wrong troglodyte!

You're full of sh!+ and you know it.

If you said Everett, Tacoma, or parts of Olympia, your post would have been a ton more accurate.

#65 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-06-10 11:46 PM | Reply

#65 Well, of course we would all rather use your flimsy personal anecdotes instead of cited statistics...

#66 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-06-11 07:45 AM | Reply

Seattle doesn't see that as part of the solution. In fact, they're working on more safe-injection sites.
Even worse, Seattle and Vancouver, BC are looking into Rx heroin.
mynorthwest.com
www.king5.com

#15 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-06-10 03:52 PM | REPLY

That's not "worse". That's harm reduction. It makes sense. Overdoses are down, diseases spread by needle sharing are greatly reduced.

Those sites are not shelters though. You have to leave the shelter, go to the injection site, now try to get back to the shelter high AF.

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-11 08:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Up and down the coast?
You mean nationwide. Texas has huge spikes in homelessness too the last 2 years.
#14 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
The subject of this thread is Seattle, Psychopants.
and another example of the apocalyptic failure of Dem-controlled cities.
Are you trying to diminish the problem, spread it out, or claim it doesn't exist?
oh, and WHATABOUT Texas?!?!?
#17 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Poor Sheeple. Too dumb to read.

The comment is how this is happening up and down the (liberal) coast. You double down on the comment with your "Dem-controlled cities" nonsense.

The reality is that its happening everywhere including Texas and in rural areas in the South.

To pretend its a liberal problem or a Seattle problem is therefore ridiculous.

You should post less and you'd sound far smarter.

#68 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-06-11 10:44 AM | Reply

Homeless up and down the west coast....

Love it.....

Now I drive my Nissan Rogue on self-drive autopilot on US_1 and hang my ass out the window and legally take a dump as I drive down the highway...

Well, maybe not legally... but who cares?

No one...

If I can figure how the sunroof works... I can stand up and piss into the wind.

If I'm stopped by a cop, I'll just say "I'm homeless and live in my car"...

He'll let me go with a warning... because no one cares... no one.....

Might be better, if I take a plasma cutter and cut a hole on the floor board and sort of use "stealth" technology..

Who cares?, yep... no one...

The left coast has become the ---- coast.

#69 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-06-11 04:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

...Salt Lake City
They totally filled a downtown park by a movie theatre we went to.
#58 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

Yeah...at the Gateway. That was Pioneer park ... two - three years ago.

Read about it - www.ksl.com

That park has been swept clean, and they're finishing 3 new shelters. The Saturday Farmers Market has returned.

Read about it - slcfarmersmarket.org

#70 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-11 04:56 PM | Reply

Ok, tax the big corps. Then, they increase the cost of goods to cover the SH losses. The cost now burdens the next income level, making them next to be homeless.

We better tax more those with money left. Just dont be on that bottom rung.

#71 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-06-11 05:22 PM | Reply

Relapse is part of recovery.
#57 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

Very clearly stated. Thank you.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-11 05:24 PM | Reply

@Aborted - It's worse than Seattle from what I saw.

This is why we use science...

@Syncho - "Dem-controlled cities" nonsense.

Not at all ...

cdn.citylab.com

#73 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-11 08:14 PM | Reply

#57 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

The question is how do you know they are in Recovery?

#74 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-11 08:15 PM | Reply

Yeah, this was pretty much expected to come out as an article. Whenever you have Liberals involved, you find every way possible to blame rich people instead of politicians. The funny part is most of the politicians live comfy lives and the Liberal media makes it possible by not trying to hold ALL politicians accountable instead of just the ones they don't agree with.

#75 | Posted by humtake at 2019-06-12 01:09 PM | Reply

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