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Under lucrative arrangements, states are increasingly leasing prisoners to harvest food for American consumers at a rate not seen since Jim Crow.

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I want my crops picked by chained negros like the good ol days.

#1 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-08 06:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Now you know why they're fighting so hard against immigration. Look closer and follow the money.

#2 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-06-08 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Well I'll be damned.

Looks like they figured out the solution to illegal immigrant labor.

Prisoners.

Slavery is back.

And it's not just for black people anymore.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-08 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Why would anyone oppose prisoners volunteering and even qualifying for work detail?

Hell, they'd fight each other for the opportunity.

We're not talking about Cool Hand Luke here.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-08 06:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#4

What are you talking about? Slavery is fun? What happened to your worry for our fellow Americans?

FTA:

Most wages paid to inmates are garnished by prisons to cover incarceration costs and pay victim restitution programs. In some cases, prisoners see no monetary compensation whatsoever.

Inmates are excluded from federal minimum wage protections, allowing prison systems to lease convicts at a rate below the going labor rate.

Furthermore, inmates are not legally considered employees, which means they are excluded from protection under parts of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Equal Pay Act, the Fair Labor Standards Act, the National Labor Relations Act, and the Federal Tort Claims Act.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-08 06:34 PM | Reply

#4

I'd bet you'd like to see inmates fight for fun.

#6 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-06-08 06:41 PM | Reply

I don't have a problem with it as as long as they're not being forced against their will.

These are inmates that volunteer for work details and have to maintain good behavior to remain on them.
They work to earn the privilege of leaving their cells, getting outside, and doing some work to pass the time and make some spare change for commissary.

Where's the harm in that? In fact, if you rush in and tried to deny them this luxury? They'd cut your throats.

The inmates on work detail WANT to be there.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-08 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't have a problem with it as as long as they're not being forced against their will."

You think they're prisoners, but they are not being held against their will?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-08 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

According to Sheep prison is a vacation spot with elective activities.

#9 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-06-08 08:13 PM | Reply

You people are delusional.

#10 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-06-08 10:10 PM | Reply

Automation will take these jobs away. Robots don't apply for benefits, need restrooms, quit or eat harvested products.

#11 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-06-08 11:03 PM | Reply

Sheeple, I understand your argument and might agree if I also thought our justice system was fair. The thing is, our justice system is not fair, and now it is turning into a conveyor belt of cheap labor for corporations.

#12 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-06-09 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You think they're prisoners, but they are not being held against their will?

#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

LOL! Free the murderers and rapists!

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-09 12:13 AM | Reply

I'm still shakin' it boss, I'm still shakin' it!

#14 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-06-09 01:26 AM | Reply

Prisons Lease Convicts as Field Laborers

I wouldn't have a problem with leasing out prisoners for any legit task as long as it was 1) voluntary; 2) only available to those in minimal security prisons; 3) not disruptive to local, competitive businesses; 4) paid minimum wage or prevailing wage (which ever is higher); 5) convict got all the money he/she earned (restitution can come later; cost of incarceration is a cost paid by society to be protected from criminals); 6) viewed as good behavior with all the benefits and privileges associated therewith.

#15 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-06-09 06:33 AM | Reply

here's how it is...everybody has to work. the hack who bosses the dairy says these 20 guys go and it doesn't matter if you want to or not. and if you won't do the work or screw things up..you will pay. same way with the field work, now the boss will go through and try to pick who'll do a good job but he make pick you cause you've been picked as someone who needs a little one on one attention. a generality would be mexicans in the slaughter house..dairy and the fields..blacks in the laundry/custodial..whites in the kitchen/custodial. and if you've got money you get your people hooked up with a "certain guard" and his folks on the outside. then things can go pretty smooth. jail, like most of life is better if you have the cash

#16 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-09 07:30 AM | Reply

i don't know how it is now but back in the 60's texas had a huge farming presence within the prison system. i know they grew everything the prison used that could be grown. and i think the prison system had contracts to "sell" surplus to the mental institutions..boys/girls homes etc.
sales of those surpluses was a "perk" of the wardens and tax monies from the entities they sold to were scammed too. i wonder how much has changed

#17 | Posted by MizWatsonsJim at 2019-06-09 07:57 AM | Reply

Ahem.... some of these prisons are private prisons. In private prisons, convicts get, at most, seventeen cents p/h. Soon states will start handing out probation that require x amount of hours spent working a farm w/o getting paid I wouldn't be surprised that courts will hand out DUI sentences or even make juvie camps work the fields. Caught speeding? 50 hours working a farm, first offense. Drug offense? Insurance lapse? Drivers' license suspension? You're doing "Hee Haw" time. Techs caught doing something, states are going to use them to upgrade the network for free.

#18 | Posted by KillerKarlKrupt at 2019-06-09 08:41 AM | Reply

Let's review the 13th Amendment. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Yea, you can use convicts as slave labor.

#19 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-09 08:52 AM | Reply

#18 | POSTED BY KILLERKARLKRUPT

honestly..i never even thought once about "private" prisons. that concept is so abhorrent to me that i guess i've sort of sublimated thinking about it. it makes me furious, but it's just further proof that we live on a knife's edge that we call civilization

#20 | Posted by MizWatsonsJim at 2019-06-09 09:01 AM | Reply

Yeah...i was talking about federal prison in the 80's. i understand that things have changed muchly..for the worse. lots of overcrowding and serve a longer percentage of your sentence.
state prisons have always been hell holes and private prison has got to be more or less like being conscripted or shanghaied. we're capable of anything in this country

#21 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-09 09:08 AM | Reply

#21 | Posted by 1947steamer, What we did back in WWII with about 400 thousand German and Italian POWs was first, classify, then segregate, then utilize. Work crews of POWs usually had two guards to provide security for 40 prisoners. They were there to protect the POWs mostly. The hard core Nazis were kept behind the wire. Let prisoners work. It is better than what we are doing now. If some one doesn't work, let the crew kick him off. Remember violent criminals only account for about 20 to 30% of the prison population.

#22 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-09 10:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yea, you can use convicts as slave labor.

#19 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-06-09 08:52 AM | REPLY

Legal does not equal right. Sometimes it just equals kickbacks for politicians.

And that statutes is a federal law and only covers federal prisoners. States can write their own rules.

www.cnn.com

#23 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-06-09 11:50 AM | Reply

"I don't have a problem with it as as long as they're not being forced against their will. "

As I have long suspected you have no moral compass whatsoever. Despicable.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-09 12:00 PM | Reply

"We're not talking about Cool Hand Luke here."

except that is exactly what we are talking about here.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-09 12:02 PM | Reply

As I have long suspected you have no moral compass whatsoever. Despicable.
#24 | POSTED BY DANNI

Don't be so ignorant.

Many are in prison because they never had any structure, self-discipline, a steady job, a routine, involved in and contributed to a community.

Working a job is part of rehabilitating felons and preparing them to return to society.

#26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-09 12:12 PM | Reply

it's very common to this day, especially down south, for the high sheriff to utilize those prisoners in a number of ways. and not only their labor but their food allowance money. we talk all the time about corruption in washington..well folks it's as rampant on the local level as any other. as a matter of fact i'd imagine you could chart more than one successful politician by his ability to cheat and steal and still get reelected.
you go in and try to reform and you're messing with someone's money and that can be problematic

#27 | Posted by MizWatsonsJim at 2019-06-09 12:14 PM | Reply

There's a reason they don't release them all into the exercise yard at the same time.

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-09 12:19 PM | Reply

Working a job is part of rehabilitating felons and preparing them to return to society.
..................#26 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

NOT EVEN...prison has no intention, isn't purposed to nor does it care about re-habilitation or about public safety

Prisons, private or otherwise are a business. prisoners are a commodity. the easiest place to catch a case is in prison. they get paid for you to be there. they don't really want you to leave.

#29 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-06-09 12:25 PM | Reply

#29 -they don't really want you to leave.

Nonsense, prisoners meet their sentence and are released every day.

Keeping their hands and minds busy has it's advantages. 1) to stay out of trouble and 2) prepare to re-enter society.

Again, there's a reason they don't release them into the exercise yard at the same time.

There's also a reason they don't open the gates and let them loose at night.

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-09 12:31 PM | Reply

What type of ------- actually supports slave labor for convicts? Move to China -------.

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-06-09 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wasn't addressing the rate of pay, which I would agree should be higher.

I was addressing inmates working. The ACLU agrees. So do inmates.

www.aclu.org

"I'm often asked what the ACLU thinks about this and other prison work programs. The answer isn't black or white. Most prisoners want to work, and jobs for prisoners can be a very positive thing. A job can provide an escape from the crushing monotony of prison life – a chance to do something productive, earn a little money, and maybe even learn some skills that are useful in and of themselves and useful when reentering society. And as we know, 97 percent of people in prison will return to their communities."

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-09 12:40 PM | Reply

"Many are in prison because they never had any structure, self-discipline, a steady job, a routine, involved in and contributed to a community."

And you think slave labor hits a bunch of those notes.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-09 04:13 PM | Reply

#33 | Posted by snoofy Yes. Get the convict used to working, most have never had a job, or never held a job for more than a year. I would rather have a convict picking fruit than an illegal. You do realize that if a convict gets paid 10% of a wadge he has more disposable income than most of the poor. His food, lodging, clothing and health care are provided.

#34 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-09 05:11 PM | Reply

"I would rather have a convict picking fruit than an illegal."

I would imagine a convict would not do nearly as good a job as an illegal.
They've tried putting unskilled workers in the fields. They don't do nearly as well as illegals.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-09 05:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Docnjo I certainly agree that rehabilitation including work can, uh, work.

But you're left with the question "Why are you rewarding prisoners with jobs when innocent people remain unemployed?"

And I don't think you have much of an answer for that question.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-09 07:15 PM | Reply

Come to think of it, your investment in private prison companies is your answer to that question.
You're rewarding prisoners with jobs simply because it's personally profitable for you.
Money talks, etc.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-09 07:16 PM | Reply

I want a Ruskie troll/bot named Sheeple/Nobias/Lieburg/JordyStPete to pick my crops at "prison wages". ....and while he has "4 personalities", I'm only going to pay one.

#38 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-06-09 10:58 PM | Reply

As it should be. Doing those so-called, "jobs American's don't want to do."

#39 | Posted by willsburrow at 2019-06-10 10:36 AM | Reply

DOCNJO,

I believe I have an answer to your question.

"Innocent" people (aka all able bodied men on welfare) don't want to do those jobs. Why do they get away with that? Because they vote. That's it. Politicians will rattle their sabers about what they are going to do about this abc issue or that xyz issue to rile up their constituents. However, the bottom line is that every politician, no matter what party, knows that when they upset the status quo, the voters are going to oust that candidate that riled up the status quo. In ghetto or trash language, whoever blew up the spot, gonna get cut up. And it could be as little as coffee.

For the sake of the knuckle dragging low browed mongoloids that post in the room, I'll expound just a bit.

When the govt decided to ban alcohol in the US, they "blew up" the American status quo. When guys like Al Capone and other mafioso got into the moonshine business, adult drinking Americans held them in esteem. The mafia became heroes in the eyes of the common man. Law abiding American majority helped hide the booze in their houses and farms during the Prohibition 1920 - 1933. The govt pretty much lost that pissing match with the American majority.

Can you imagine if Trump decided to make white men on welfare pick produce on a farm? Slaughter chickens? Any back breaking work illegals did? The GOP would lose everything across the board. All of the sudden, illegals would be reclassified and allowed to come in to the country on work visas.

Trump is going to have to sell the American public on yet another war. We're so used to Starbucks and hookah shops, that if you took them away, they'd be a work stoppage and riots.

Abortion is a status quo. Kill Roe vs Wade and Trump is done.

When Pepsi and Coke changed their formulas in the 80's, they almost went bankrupt.

Now, prisoners don't vote. And America doesn't have much compassion on felons. That's the status quo. No one is going to riot over convicts working the farms.

#40 | Posted by KillerKarlKrupt at 2019-06-10 11:59 AM | Reply

Lucielle !!!

#41 | Posted by madscientist at 2019-06-10 12:35 PM | Reply

Still shakin' it boss, still shakin it. !

#42 | Posted by madscientist at 2019-06-10 12:36 PM | Reply

0 | Posted by KillerKarlKrupt We had a system that worked until the politicians started messing with it, starting with Nixon. The Brazos system worked. Any worker could get a 6 to 9 month worker's visa and as long as they returned within that time they were good to go. Who advocated the change, might surprise you, Casar Chavez was at the forefront.

#43 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-10 12:42 PM | Reply

@ #43

Oh crap, that was with everyone -- Colombians, Guatemalans, Ecuadorians... my high school friend's mother worked in a factory in North Bergen, NJ back in the 70's and 80's. Nothing but Central and South Americans. Not so much Mexicans because they traveled the farm/slaughter house/fish market circuit from the South to the Northeast and everything between. Many didn't want to go back home. Many of them were former doctors, dentists, and what not. There was a serious underground health care for illegals in Jersey and New York. For $10, you got a shot of Novocain and your tooth yanked out.

What I was saying that many wanted to stay because if they went home with American dollars, they were living like kings. When you live like a king in Columbia, you attract nosy neighbors and corrupt cops. Then everyone from the local politicians on down wants a taste. Or your family gets shanked, shot, or kidnapped. IN the 80's I was offered $10K to go marry a Columbia girl and bring her into the US. Her part of the arrangement was she would be my "wife" for a few years and then we'd amicably divorced when she became a US citizen.

I declined.

#44 | Posted by KillerKarlKrupt at 2019-06-10 06:04 PM | Reply

I declined.
#44 | POSTED BY KILLERKARLKRUPT

We all have regrets in life.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 06:13 PM | Reply

Slavery is back.
And it's not just for black people anymore.
#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-06-08 06:11 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 5

It's for the poor and uneducated. That's why Trump loves the uneducated.

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-06-10 07:19 PM | Reply

#45

Nah, I don't regret that. I knew the HUGE risks.I could have been kidnapped and no tight piece of squash is worth it.

What I do regret is Lucille. My high school sweetheart from Tennessee. For Southerners, her parents were rather progressive/open minded. After a few weeks of dating, her mother came right out and asked me, "Son, what do you think about Lucy? She's a good woman (she was), she's pretty all around, she has nice breasts (she did), you're not going to find a lot like her. And she's going to the Army. You're going to lose her, son." Then they had dinner with my parents and that was it, we were going to get hitched.

I was 17 and Lucy was 18. She was going to the Army. I needed to decide. Even my friends were like, "Lucy is a good girl. Marry her."

I didn't listen. I got scared. And I ditched her.

To this day, over 30 years later, that's the only one I regret. There was nothing indicating she was bad for me.

Every other squash after that was rotten except for two: Kim and Karen.

#47 | Posted by KillerKarlKrupt at 2019-06-10 09:34 PM | Reply

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