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Saturday, June 08, 2019

HBO's miniseries that retells the story of the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster has quickly become one of the best TV series of the year so far, in addition to ranking as IMDB's top-rated show -- surpassing the usual suspects like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad and The Sopranos.




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#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-08 12:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HBO's ‘Chernobyl': Best Miniseries ever?

Easily one of the best.

Hell, I remember all this happening like it was yesterday. This filled in the gaps quite nicely.

They (the powers that be) are building two reactors (with 2, 3, more in the near future) near Karachi that are larger than Chernobyl.

Bloody hell. LOL

#2 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-08 02:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Russia To Produce Patriotic Version Of Chernobyl, Will Blame The CIA

If there's one television series that's gripped audiences over the last few weeks, it's HBO's Chernobyl.

Indeed, the grim, dark and often disturbing new show has everyone talking, as it brings us a completely devastating and often horrifying account of the nuclear accident from 1986. Though it concluded a couple of days ago, it's still on viewers' minds, with folks praising Chernobyl for its incredible performances and smart writing. Frankly, it's without a doubt one of the best things the network's done in a while, but understandably, those in Russia haven't taken to it too well.

If you've seen the show, you'll know that it doesn't exactly depict those who were in charge of the country at the time in the best light and makes a pretty strong case for why the government should be held at least partly accountable for the disaster. And though many would probably agree with that, Russia's now striking back.

Deadline's reporting today that Russian state TV channel NTV is working on its own show about the 1986 incident and obviously, it'll take a much more patriotic stance. Among other things, the series will claim that a CIA plot was somehow to blame for what happened, with the description of the show reading as so:

"It'll follow a CIA agent dispatched to Pripyat to gather intelligence on the Chernobyl nuclear power plant and the Russian counterintelligence agent who's sent to track him down."

Oh boy....

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-08 02:36 AM | Reply

Director Alexey Muradov promises that the series "will tell viewers about what really happened back then." And though no further details have been disclosed just yet, this is certainly an intriguing prospect, having Russia produce their own version of what happened.

Then again, it's hard to imagine the project rivaling what we saw with Chernobyl. HBO's series packed more into five episodes than most shows manage in their entire run. Acting as a rigorously accurate dramatization of the events both before and after the meltdown of Chernobyl's Reactor 4, it's likely to go down as one of the very best things to appear on television in 2019 and we can only hope that the team behind it decides to tackle another event next.

Having seen like a million Russian (Soviet) TV productions (when Pakistan was trying very hard to be Communist) I can tell you, if you want to see a show or a movie that will make you want to ---- your wrists and bleed out... watch anything made in Russia.

Maybe they got better after the end of the Soviet Union... but probably not.

#4 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-06-08 02:40 AM | Reply

The show presents frightening truths based on actual events and physics which every citizen should understand. Add the insanity of Soviet bureaucracy and it's a miracle mankind has survived thus far. A region the size of Connecticut has become uninhabitable for at least 100,000 years, longer than human civilization. Thousands died containing the damage to that extent. We've had our share of disasters and cover ups which continue to this day. The hunger for power may eventually kill us all

#5 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-08 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Add the insanity of Soviet bureaucracy - bayviking

How any large organization is run

Another reason socialism is a failure.

Best to have adversarial system.
This is outlined in Diamonds book, guns,germs and steel .

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-08 10:39 AM | Reply

Another catastrophic failure of Soviet socialism.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-08 11:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What I found interesting is how a culture of lies and coverups influences and promotes lies and coverup from the bottom up and from the top down. The denial and spin began at the scene of the accident with the people closest to it. Those lies get carried to the top, where more lies and denials form, and sent downstream. Invariably there's this official position up and down the chain of command that has to be maintained, but everyone else around it knows it utter BS.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-08 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Quote from an apparatchik in the first episode:

"Faith in soviet socialism will always be rewarded."


#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-08 01:11 PM | Reply


But that's not socialism!!!

-Vizzindy, Clown, Punchy etc.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-06-08 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1



Another catastrophic failure of Soviet socialism.

It has nothing to do with socialism and all to do with greed and embezzlement.

The plant was built cheaper so people could get bonuses. The tests were pushed in order for people to get promotions.

This flaw is due to human greed. Not the way the government was structured.

But. Sure. Be lazy. Attack soviet socialism.

Critical thinking takes too much effort.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-08 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not exactly, from the get go two Russian physicists understood the problems and risks. The female physicist saved the planet from an undspeakable radioactive disaster. But it took 400 Russian miners to do what had to be done, at the cost of all their lives. They couldn't do the work by hand without stripping naked.

#12 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-08 03:05 PM | Reply

The plant, as designed, was considered to be explosion proof. But it did explode anyway, due to severe operator error. I missed this last week and still do not know what the design flaw was. Fukushima is worse, but as always, our mass media downplays those long and short term risks, as they did with above ground testing and Three Mile Island.

#13 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-08 03:20 PM | Reply


But that's not socialism!!!

-Vizzindy, Clown, Punchy etc.


Except he could have said "faith in soviet ice cream" and it would have been just as true.

In any case I live the series. Have two episodes I need to catch up on tonight for Monday.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-08 04:44 PM | Reply

I won't spoil anything, but to say I wanted more.

This series should have been 10-12 episodes.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-09 12:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The flaw in Amac's and Nulli's thinking is that Americans are smarter and better than Russians and a Capitalist Corporate bureaucracy is in some way better and safer than a Union bureaucracy or a Communist party bureaucracy.

Apparently they do not remember the Challenger accident or the many fore-warnings which preceded 9-11 or the 2008 financial calamity which destroyed millions of lives around the globe. They are so deeply committed to the superiority of their ideas that they cannot understand that the same ambitions and politics drive selfish and irrational behaviors in the USA, in China and Russia.

These bureaucracies can be counterproductive to say the least, dangerous really to the survival of individuals,
mankind and our 5 billion year old amazing and unique ecological system. In matters nuclear and global warming the stakes are enormous. We cannot afford to tolerate lies from former Russian Communists or Donald Trump. But we should recognize that Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping are Capitalists and the term communist has little meaning in today's economy.

There are two stories in this miniseries: 1) Two Russian Physicists and a General acted heroically leading tens of thousands of Russians to their unimaginably painful deaths to prevent a cloud of radioactive poison from contaminating the entire planet. 2)The communist bureaucracy acted to cover up their earlier cover ups which contributed to the disaster. In all things nuclear lies are unspeakably dangerous to all life on earth.

#16 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-09 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-06-08 03:20 PM | FLAG: Just a little personal history: My home town in PA is approx 20 miles from TMI and I was stationed at Andrews AFB at the time. My commander was prepared to grant emergency leave if I needed to go help family evacuate, so glad everything turned out okay.

#17 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-06-09 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Russia To Produce Patriotic Version Of Chernobyl, Will Blame The CIA

Oh boy....

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain

Yup. Guess which version trump will believe?

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-06-09 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Communist dictatorships are now "socialist" according to our usual right leaning posters.

You act as if it was really a "socialist" society. Not at all - it was a corrupt dictatorship. The fact that the FEAR of failure instilled by the ruthless dictatorship played a major role in the disaster is conveniently swept under the carpet. Heck the bureaucracy of how people received "good" jobs wasn't really covered. The system of corruption and bribes - heck that sounds like where we are going without being a communist dictatorship.

What I read about this type of reactor decades ago is they were lacking in safety features and poorly constructed. That RBMK reactors were the most dangerous reactors in operation. The miniseries was dramatized but fairly accurate from what I know of the incident. I think that is what most fail to recognize - it isn't a documentary. My wife and her family were exposed to the radiation from the Chernobyl. They were given Iodine pills and the works. She lost her brother to a rare cancer when he was just 20 - doctors blamed it on Chernobyl radiation.

#19 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-06-09 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Chief Engineer of GE resigned in protest over the unsafe design of the Fukushima power plant. GE has similar designs operating in the USA.

One sister GE plant to Fukushima is in Seabrook New Hampshire. Commercial reactors are required by law to have a workable escape plan. In January 2018, the town of Merrimac, Mass. joined half a dozen other communities and State Representative Peter Schmidt in calling on the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission to hold a hearing on whether Seabrook's evacuation plan can be effectively implemented. Unlikely, given the routine traffic jams which occur on I-95. In the meantime "some sort of gag order" has allegedly been imposed on State Police National Guard members regrading evacuation, but the gag order is now "lost". The Plant operator, AG Healey, has refused to schedule a public hearing over the plausibility of emergency evacuation.

After the Chernobyl disaster, Two Russian physicists risked their lives making it impossible for the Russian political apparatus to create a plausible deniability scenario. The trial was recorded and the communist cover up became a matter of record with the scientific community inside and outside Russia. Those two physicists were ostracized from their communities and one committed suicide, which saved him from a slower death by radioactive poisoning as you lose your skin.

#20 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-09 08:47 PM | Reply

I missed this last week and still do not know what the design flaw was. Fukushima is worse, but as always, our mass media downplays those long and short term risks, as they did with above ground testing and Three Mile Island.

#13 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-06-08 03:20 PM | FLAG:

Reactivity. You have a nuclear power plant (god help us), you're running it at 90%. You have a power spike. Okay, it goes up 10%.

You're a Communist running your reactor at 16%. The control rod tips have a material that causes reactivity spikes. You go from 16% to 90%+ in minutes (maybe seconds). You have too little coolant for that load. Boom.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-06-10 08:24 AM | Reply

Liberal Critics' Bizarre Take: HBO's 'Chernobyl': It's Not About Communism

The excellent miniseries Chernobyl, which just finished on HBO, is one of the most searing indictments of communism ever put on the small screen, at least since the halcyon days of The Americans.

Systematically and dramatically, Chernobyl exposes the communist disregard for human life and safety, socialism's ineptness at designing anything that works as it should, and the totalitarian state's fear that anything that exposes the sham is an existential threat to its existence.

Even more damning, this story takes place during the regime of the Left's hero, Mikhail Gorbachev, not during the acknowledged bad old days of Stalin.


#22 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-10 12:41 PM | Reply

#22 Jesus christ, it's just a TV drama. Think about how ridiculous you sound.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-10 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"the totalitarian state's fear that anything that exposes the sham is an existential threat to its existence."

I see what you mean.

like the sham of Beautiful Clean Coal?

Like the sham that Climate Change is a hoax by the chinese?

Like the sham that there was no Russian Interference in our elections?

Like the sham of inaugural crowd sizes? or maybe the sham of voter fraud?

And what about that sham of the Tax Scam? Or that Obamacare is destroying jobs? Or that Obama is not even an American?

Or is it more like when Humpy promises that a Big Beautiful Wall that (Mexico WILL PAY FOR) will solve all the problems at the border (the crisis that Trump created?)?

Or is that more like the fact the Humpy has violated numerous laws to get to where he is and that needs to be covered up?

Or is it that they must not expose Humpy's tax returns because that is threat to his existence?

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-10 05:19 PM | Reply

I watched in hope of obtaining a better understanding behind the scientific cause of the disaster, thinking it really had something to due with the physics behind the facility's operation. Came away with the understanding that although the facility was not built appropriately (read "It was cheaper!"), leading to physical issues that were difficult to overcome, the most significant factor playing into the disaster was a sociological one: The lies that the Soviet system was built upon ultimately was the cause of the issue becoming a disaster. Watching the first episode, human error really seemed most prominent as an explanation, which was true. But it goes so much deeper than that. The human error became inevitable within the Soviet construct.

This was the actual piece I was looking for and didn't even realize it.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 05:30 PM | Reply

Invariably there's this official position up and down the chain of command that has to be maintained, but everyone else around it knows it utter BS.


Politics versus science. Seems strikingly familiar considering the current administration's treatment of climate science.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 05:36 PM | Reply

They couldn't do the work by hand without stripping naked.

This was actually more Hollywood than nonfiction. They were never naked during the work.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 05:38 PM | Reply

Fukushima is worse, but as always, our mass media downplays those long and short term risks, as they did with above ground testing and Three Mile Island.

Fukushima was not worse.

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-10 05:39 PM | Reply

Fukushima is completely out of control and worse than Chernobyl:

Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc., (TEPCO) the operator of the Fukushima complex, has been trying to prevent contaminated water from increasing within the facilities by building an underground ice wall in an effort to block ground water. It has also built a seawall aimed at preventing contaminated water from entering the ocean. But in the first few days they were only concerned with preserving their capital investment and quickly lost control of the situation.
At both Chernobyl and Fukushima, extraordinarily high radiation destroys robots before they can pickup or move anything. Anyone person close to the core is dead in less than an hour.
Naohiro Masuda, TEPCO Chief of Decommissioning at Fukushima Diiachi Nuclear Power Plant, officially announced that no one knows where 600 tons of hot molten core is. Even if they find it Japan has no technology with which to pick it up.
In 1986, Russian teams of workers found the melted core of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant's reactor core in the facility's lowest level. Whilst "frying 30 workers" along the way, they contained it just enough to prevent burrowing into the ground, maybe. More than seven years after the March 2011 Fukushima nuclear crisis, radioactive water is continuing to flow into the Pacific Ocean from the crippled plant at a rate of around 2 billion becquerels a day. Every day, almost 150 tons of groundwater percolates into the reactors through cracks in their foundations, becoming contaminated with radioactive isotopes in the process. Tepco pumps it out and runs it through a massive filtering system housed in a building the size of a small aircraft hangar. Inside are arrays of seven-foot tall stainless steel tubes, filled with sand grain-like particles that perform a process called ion exchange. The particles grab on to ions of cesium, strontium, and other dangerous isotopes in the water, making room for them by spitting out sodium. The highly toxic sludge created as a byproduct is stored elsewhere on the site in thousands of sealed canisters.
Unfiltererd tritiated water is pumped into a growing collection of tanks. There are hundreds of them, and Tepco has to build a new one every four days. The tanks and pipes will eventually fail. All Tepco can do is keep building tanks, and hope for a miracle before they run out of room, or the next earthquake hits.

#29 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-06-10 08:21 PM | Reply

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