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Former Vice President Joe Biden says he now wants to repeal a ban on federal funds being used for abortion, reversing his position on the Hyde Amendment the day after he was attacked by his 2020 Democratic rivals over his position.

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Joe Biden is trying to make up for not running in 2016. His time has come and gone. It's time for new blood to run and win the nomination.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-06 08:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He's switched to the Jekyll Amendment.

#2 | Posted by Spork at 2019-06-06 08:59 PM | Reply

"I'll say anything you want me to, baby." - Smoove Joe, Your 2020 Wingman

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-06 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1

Go, Pres Stein!

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-06 09:05 PM | Reply

Don't worry, Joe can massage the numbers.

#5 | Posted by Spork at 2019-06-06 09:10 PM | Reply

#1

Go, Pres Stein!

Posted by Corky at 2019-06-06 09:05 PM | Reply

No surprise Corky didn't learn a damn thing from 2016. He didn't learn a thing from 2008 either.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-06 09:53 PM | Reply

Corky clearly demonstrates a far better understanding of electoral success than you've ever demonstrated, Laura.

I don't (and never will) begrudge how you or anybody else votes.

You had your reasons for voting as you did and that's fine.

Where you earn derision is the manner in which you come across as thinking that if your unicorn were to be nominated the election would be a landslide and Utopia would follow.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Corky clearly demonstrates a far better understanding of electoral success than you've ever demonstrated, Laura.

I don't (and never will) begrudge how you or anybody else votes.

You had your reasons for voting as you did and that's fine.

Where you earn derision is the manner in which you come across as thinking that if your unicorn were to be nominated the election would be a landslide and Utopia would follow.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 10:01 PM | Reply

You're joking right??? Mr Corky the popular votist??? If he understood electoral success Bernie would be president. Look Corky backed the one who the country most hated. He didn't learn from 2008 when he should have gleaned that Hillary lost to a new commer and understood the reasons why. He hitched his wagon to the wrong candidate and that's why Trump's president.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-06 10:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"If he understood the electoral process Bernie would be president."

That's your counter?

How do you prove that declaration?

Seriously. How can you substantiate that as a factual statement?

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 10:15 PM | Reply

"I don't (and never will) begrudge how you or anybody else votes."

Have you ever met Jeff? He begrudges folks their vote by accusing them of being hyper-partisan, if they actually have the nerve to vote for candidates they don't loathe.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-06 10:24 PM | Reply

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"I don't (and never will) begrudge how you or anybody else votes."

He begrudges folks their vote by accusing them of being hyper-partisan...

#10 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Nope. Not even close.

I'll give you a choice - you can double down on stupid and push this ankle-biting inanity and be made to look foolish. Or, you can recognize that I can (and will) smack down your ridiculously risible illogic and that dropping this makes you look less foolish.

Notice, I don't provide an option for you to completely save face.

The ball is in your court...

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 10:29 PM | Reply

For Jeff

www.realclearpolitics.com

#12 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-06 10:32 PM | Reply

"Notice, I don't provide an option for you to completely save face.

That's because hyper-partisans like you are total projectionists. You somehow believe if one doesn't vote for candidates they loathe, they're somehow partisan...when in fact, they're just sensible.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-06 10:38 PM | Reply

#12

If polling, especially 6 months prior to an actual election (which is what your link provided) were a perfect predictor, Hillary Clinton would be president right now.

In no way did your link prove anything. All it proved was, at that moment in time, Sanders polled favorably against Trump at a point where neither had secured the nominations.

If you were saying, "I think Bernie would have performed better and I think he would have beaten Trump." - Fine. But that's not what you are saying. You are saying that had Bernie been the nominee he would have won and you are presenting that as fact when it's something that is impossible to prove.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 10:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You somehow believe if one doesn't vote for candidates they loathe, they're somehow partisan...when in fact, they're just sensible.

#13 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You are approaching Ashton Stamp response with that straw-man garbage. You are all over the place.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 10:43 PM | Reply

He didn't learn a thing from 2008 either.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr

Biden was part of 2008. 2012 as well.

He isn't Hillary and a far left progressive pushing for free everything and identity politics isn't going to win the middle.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2019-06-06 11:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Biden was part of 2008. 2012 as well.

He isn't Hillary and a far left progressive pushing for free everything and identity politics isn't going to win the middle.

#16 | POSTED BY JPW

NW for the sentence in bold for speaking the truth with such brevity.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 11:30 PM | Reply

Oh, look at you two, getting a room together.

right in the middle with Corky. A regular Biden ----.

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-06 11:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

www.politico.com

Democrats Aren't Moving Left. They're Returning to Their Roots.
Many on both sides are worried about the party's leftward swing. They say it's a deviation from the mainstream. It's not.

By JOSHUA ZEITZ November 04, 2018

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-06 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sheeple,

It's not a "Biden ----".

I am not excited about Biden by any stretch. He's very flawed and he doesn't check many of my policy boxes.

JPW and I getting a room together? Now that is risible. He and I struggle to have civil conversations with each other, much less share a room.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-06 11:38 PM | Reply

www.thenation.com

Left Politics Can Win All Over the Country
Democrats need to learn what the Republicans have understood for decades: that to win, the party needs a message that embraces the passions, values, and agenda of grassroots leaders.
By Mike Lux

The Democratic establishment is clearly flustered by the stunning upset victory of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over the person who was considered to be the likely next Democratic leader of the House, Congressman Joe Crowley. Former DCCC Chair Steve Israel, in a quote I found entertaining as a former Iowan who has knocked on a lot of doors in Brooklyn, Iowa, opined that "What sounds good in Brooklyn, New York, doesn't work in Brooklyn, Iowa."

Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth, who is at least a Midwesterner, said in response to Ocasio-Cortez's victory that a political platform "too far to the left" could not win in the Midwest. Other Democratic insiders are insisting that this upset isn't that big a deal, making the case that Ocasio-Cortez's ideas are actually no different than mainstream Democratic Party stuff, she just wraps it in the label "socialism." Which of course is a direct contradiction of the first two quotes. Meanwhile, AOC (as people are calling her now) has become a rock star to progressive insurgent activists and other candidates, becoming a major fundraiser for the candidates she has endorsed and the groups affiliated with her. What is going on in Democratic politics?

Democrats will win by returning to their roots as the party of the people -- all the people, not just swing voters or base voters, not just people who live in one region or another. We will win if we tell people directly and without fear what we believe, what we value, and what we will fight for -- fairness, the future, freedom, and the working people of this country. Not everyone will want to run the exact kind of race Ocasio-Cortez ran -- every candidate needs to define themselves in a way that makes sense in their local district and state. But if Democrats think a working-class-oriented economic message doesn't work because it is too "left," they will be making a grave mistake and once again cost themselves a victory that should be theirs.

#21 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-06 11:47 PM | Reply

"No, Bernie Sanders Would Not Have Beaten Trump"

www.huffpost.com

Bernie, once he lost the Dem primary of mostly liberal voters, asked his supporters not to be fools, not to throw their votes away, but to vote for Hillary. Of course, they were fair-weather supporters and ignored him, which gave us Trump.

But they are convinced... no they are delusionally certain that Bernie would have beaten Trump, which is a convenient argument because we'll never know if he could have in 2016. We know that Hil came within a fraction of a fraction of a percent in the EC of beating Trump, and there's little evidence that Bernie would have done as well, much less won.

But then, his fair-weather supporters are any more fans of evidence than are Trump supporters.... who at least do what Trump asks them to do.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-07 12:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

aren't any more

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-07 12:28 AM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY CORKY

Knock it off!

Quit expressing your thoughts on this narrow issue honestly and just lie so I can get back into my comfort zone of simply disagreeing with you based upon "Corky."

This is kind of painful.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-07 12:33 AM | Reply

My oh my Biden changed his position in 24 hours after the media and fellow Dems kicked his behind for holding right-wing ideas on abortion.

One wonders where he really stands on this issue.

Is he still against late-term abortion? does he still think that states should have the rights to make abortion illegal?

will the real Joe please stand up.

I would say look at his past history to find what he really believes and not what he says now

#25 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-07 12:51 AM | Reply

If polling, especially 6 months prior to an actual election (which is what your link provided) were a perfect predictor, Hillary Clinton would be president right now.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ

By now America has seen what a narcissistic, immature, manbaby Trump is and they don't like it. His approval has never been above the low 40 percentile in any poll except Rasmussen, who have a strong political bias.

Without those 60,000 votes between MI, WI, and PA he wouldn't be president.

He is badly underwater (by double digits) in all three of those states. Also underwater in AZ, TX, and OH too, among others.

This time Trump will be running on his 'record.' And what does that consist of? 25 gazillion tweets ain't gonna cut it.

#26 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 12:55 AM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY CORKY

So many lies. So much garbage and arrogance.

I'm so glad Hillary lost, even if it's only because you're so invested.

You'll forever be connected to losers. and you deserve it, you all-self-important -----.

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-07 01:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

CORKY isn't mooching off his mother like you are, Baaaa Baaaa

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Is he still against late-term abortion?

Joe would personally hit the baby in the head with a hammer if that's what his party wants to hear.

Biggest phony since Hillary and Obama. John Kerry's personal plastic surgeon did the tuck and ---- bleaching.

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-07 01:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For Corky and Jeff.

www.politifact.com

Our ruling

Sanders said, "Right now, in every major poll, national poll and statewide poll done in the last month, six weeks, we are defeating Trump often by big numbers, and always at a larger margin than Secretary Clinton is."

On the numbers, Sanders is correct: In the past six weeks' worth of polls, Sanders fares 6 points better against Trump than Clinton does, and he beats Trump by double digits on average. Still, polling experts caution that polls this far away from Election Day are not entirely reliable, and they add that Sanders hasn't been exposed to the same degree of negative attacks as Clinton has. We rate the claim Mostly True.

#30 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-07 01:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Laura,

I remember how the polling went way early in the process.

By your logic we should all just bow down to Biden because he's dominating all of the polls right now.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-07 01:23 AM | Reply

Laura,

I remember how the polling went way early in the process.

By your logic we should all just bow down to Biden because he's dominating all of the polls right now.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-07 01:25 AM | Reply

#25 | Posted by PunchyPossum

Biden's Catholic. But he's also someone who believes in the rule of law, personal feelings aside.

Biden talked Obama into extending rights to gay folks they'd never had before.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 01:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Biden's popular and Trump is really unpopular in the most important 2020 battleground states

And this new poll matches state by state daily tracking polling by Morning Consult, considered one of the most accurate polling firms around.

"Trump has been consistently unpopular throughout his first two years. At his best, so far, he was seven points more unpopular than popular."

"Trump is deep underwater in New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and other key 2020 states."

New Hampshire: 39 percent approval, 58 percent disapproval
Wisconsin: 42 percent approval, 55 percent disapproval
Michigan: 42 percent approval, 54 percent disapproval
Iowa: 42 percent approval, 54 percent disapproval
Arizona: 45 percent approval, 51 percent disapproval
Pennsylvania 45 percent approval, 52 percent disapproval

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/5/18653800/trump-approval-rating-by-state-2020- election-odds

#34 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 01:34 AM | Reply

Biggest phony since Hillary and Obama.
#29 | POSTED BY SHERP

But... Not Trump, right?

At least pretend to have some standards.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-07 01:50 AM | Reply

Biden talked Obama into extending rights to gay folks they'd never had before.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 01:26 AM | Reply | F

en.wikipedia.org

LGBTQ issues
In 1993 as a United States Senator, Joe Biden voted in favor of the Homosexual Conduct Act (10 U.S.C. §654), an unconstitutional federal law categorically banning gay Americans from joining or serving in the United States armed forces in any capacity without exception.[58] That law was subsequently modified by President Clinton through the issuance of DOD Directive 1304.26 (subsequently nicknamed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" or DADT) which accommodated "closeted" service to the extent that a servicemember's homosexual sexual orientation was neither discovered nor disclosed.[59] The Homosexual Conduct Act was defended by the Obama/Biden Administration, but held unconstitutional in the United States District Court for the Central District of California in Log Cabin Republicans v. United States. The administration appealed its loss and was granted a stay on the trial court's injunction against the law's enforcement. Pending this appeal, the administration hastily ushered through a legislative repeal of 10 U.S.C. §654 on 18 December 2010 rendering the lower court's decision moot. Among its terms, the legislative repeal prohibited servicemembers injured by the enforcement of the unconstitutional law from bringing suit against the government.[60]

In 1996 as a United States Senator, Joe Biden voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act [61] (1 U.S.C. §7) an unconstitutional federal law categorically prohibiting the federal government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, barring individuals in such marriages from equal protection under federal law, and allowing states to do the same. DOMA was partially voided in 2013 by the landmark case of United States v. Windsor, then voided utterly in 2015 by the landmark case of Obergefell v Hodges.

In a 5 May 2012 Meet the Press interview Vice President Biden publicly reversed his previous position, stating he was "absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that." [62]

OOPSIE OOPSIE DAISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#36 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-07 02:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | Posted by PunchyPossum

Biden's Catholic. But he's also someone who believes in the rule of law, personal feelings aside.

Biden talked Obama into extending rights to gay folks they'd never had before.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at

Yeah sure he is great on the Law you know like beeing a hard core drug warrior making laws saying if you get cauaght with even gram of weed you will lose school grants and other wonderful drugb warrior laws, and Gay rights Biden? lets look at other wonderful laws he liked and has passed

"The 1990s-era crackdown on immigrants -- the period when the vast deportation apparatus now in the hands of Trump was largely built -- was another Biden cause. He was a loyal soldier in this crusade, supporting a special ban on accepting immigrants if they were HIV positive;

The 1990s also saw Biden take aim at civil liberties, authoring anti-terror bills that, among other things, "gutted the federal writ of habeas corpus," as one legal scholar later reflected. It was this earlier legislation that led Biden to brag to anyone listening that he was effectively the author of the Bush-era Patriot Act, which, in his view, didn't go far enough. He inserted a provision into the bill that allowed for the militarization of local law enforcement and again suggested deploying the military within US borders, before transforming into a civil liberties defender in the latter part of the Bush presidency, once the political winds had shifted."
jacobinmag.com

#37 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-07 02:18 AM | Reply

People change their minds. Some politicians evolve. You should be glad when it happens.

#38 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 02:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Biden voted against Gay marriage with his backing of Defense of marriage act

"The measure defined marriage as between a man and a woman and allowed states not to recognize same-sex marriages. Same-sex couples could not claim federal benefits."

#39 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-07 02:28 AM | Reply

There's a difference between natural evolution and political evolution.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-06-07 02:29 AM | Reply

38 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 02:25 AM

Oh please what a load of bunk, a person acted like a right-wing and a racist for the most of
his life and all of a sudden he has changed and has seen the light!
Right sure thing.

#41 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-06-07 02:32 AM | Reply

Moldy Joe will say anything to get the nomination. He's like Hillary Rodham flip-flopping on TPP.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-07 02:39 AM | Reply

Moldy Joe will say anything to get the nomination. He's like Hillary Rodham flip-flopping on TPP.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian

Says the guy who completely flip flopped when Trump came along ...

#43 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 02:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People change their minds. Some politicians evolve. You should be glad when it happens.

#38 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 02:25 AM | Reply

Political evolution is a kin to a child growing up hating their parents until they learn that they've become rich and then saying that they've loved them all along. It's balderdash.

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-07 02:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr

OK, Larry.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 03:15 AM | Reply

#44 | Posted by LauraMohr

OK, Larry.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 03:15 AM | Reply

Now you're seeing names that don't appear in this thread. Seek help dear because you're losing it.

#46 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-06-07 03:40 AM | Reply

If you were saying, "I think Bernie would have performed better and I think he would have beaten Trump." - Fine. But that's not what you are saying. You are saying that had Bernie been the nominee he would have won

What is the difference between those two statements?

#47 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-07 07:06 AM | Reply

"What is the difference between those two statements?"

Well, in a technical/literal sense the first is a statement of belief and the other is an assertion of fact. Personally that's being a little nit picky but we are where we are.

#48 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-06-07 07:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What is the difference between those two statements?

#47 | POSTED BY JOE

One is an opinion, "I think he would have won..."

The other is declarative, "He would be POTUS and it's an absolute fact"

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-07 08:42 AM | Reply

Crap.

Hag articulated it better than I did.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-07 08:43 AM | Reply

Flipper Joe ought to dump his 50-year record down the memory hole before interest in the campaign picks up. This won't be the last issue on which he has to grovel to the Left.

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-07 09:39 AM | Reply

David Axelrod, a chief architect of President Barack Obama's 2008 and 2012 campaigns, on Friday said former Vice President Joseph R. Biden's breakneck evolution on the Hyde Amendment raises questions about Mr. Biden's "steadiness" for a candidate who would be the oldest-ever person to enter the White House.

"That was a flip-flop-flip, which is never a good thing in politics, and it raises questions about his own performance and his own steadiness and his campaign's performance," Mr. Axelrod said on CNN.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-07 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"That was a flip-flop-flip, which is never a good thing in politics"

That was BT.

Before Trump.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-06-07 06:24 PM | Reply

OK, Larry.

#45 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-06-07 03:15 AM | REPLY

1
That's "dead naming" and it can get you banned on twitter.

2
When do we get to hear your story, Laura (formerly Larry on here)

#54 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-06-07 08:37 PM | Reply

#54 | Posted by drivelikejehu

I've been here for 12 years and have known him as Larry all that time. Slip of the keys. Don't get yourself all wound up.

#55 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 09:21 PM | Reply

#55 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

You're FOS...you meant it as a dig. Her name was right there where you C&P'd in #45

Back-peddling liar.

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-07 09:28 PM | Reply

I just want to hear the story.

#57 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-06-07 09:35 PM | Reply

#56 |

Bernie still won't answer his calls.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2019-06-07 09:37 PM | Reply

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I've always liked Laura (formerly Larry) and never supported the abuse she got from the right wingers on this site. It was a faux pax.

FOS? From Mr. "I was all about Bernie in 2016 but now wholeheartedly support a guy who's opposed to everything Bernie stands for."

*Snickers*

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-07 09:56 PM | Reply

Finally watched Biden rescind his support, well, read a prepared statement and squint through his grit-toothed smile.

Progressives are pushing that immovable object.

#60 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-06-08 03:18 AM | Reply

Easy to understand as he learned from obama's stance on gay marriage - his view on the amendment has 'evolved'.

#61 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-06-08 11:47 AM | Reply

A politician choosing expediency over what they actually believe? Unheard of!

#62 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-06-08 02:25 PM | Reply

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