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Friday, May 31, 2019

The powerful U.S. Chamber of Commerce is mulling its legal options in response to the duties, the group's senior vice president of international affairs, John Murphy, told reporters Friday.

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As well they should, these are not a proper use of tariffs under US law and the WTO, since this has nothing to do with trade.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-31 09:03 PM | Reply

If they're mad at Trump, that's just further evidence to Trumpers that he's really sticking it to The Fake Republicans and Swamp Dwellers for the little guy.

#MAGA

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-31 09:08 PM | Reply

Rut row.
If Orange Adolf loses the extreme right leaning Chamber of Commerce, he's f*cked!

#3 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-31 09:34 PM | Reply

-- If Orange Adolf loses the extreme right leaning Chamber of Commerce, he's f*cked!

Hey dummy, they are pro-illegal-immigration and pro-free-trade and opposed to tariffs. Just like Democrats. They are on your team.

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-31 09:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Everyone's in a race now to see who'll hate Trump the most.

He could write the antonymous answer to Dale Carnagie's "How To Win Friends And Influence People"

Ya, great idea for his next ghost written book.

#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 12:31 AM | Reply

Nothing like supporting slavery ... Like good little capitalist...

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-06-01 12:51 AM | Reply

Relax, the Mexican Tariffs are just to get Muellers finding that Trump broke laws off the news.

More fake news.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2019-06-01 01:22 AM | Reply

Business groups are considering legal action against the White House over Mexico tariffs

If they really wanted anything to happen, they would tell their lackeys (politicians they contribute money to), to get the president in line or lose their contributions.

Repubs have made a deal with the devil; now it is time to give the devil his due.

#8 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-06-01 06:20 AM | Reply

#8 | Posted by FedUpWithPols

The problem with that good idea is that they're all afraid of Trump's base revolting and voting them out of office.

But who knows? Maybe Amash's reception at his first town hall after calling out Trump will be a harbinger of things to come.

As I see it, Republicans, now married to Trump and taken over by the MAGAtt crowd, could be in a world of hurt during next year's elections. 35% (Trump's base) is not enough to win a presidential election, and could be a low enough figure for Republicans who aren't in super safe Republican districts to lose their seats. Damned if they stand up to Trump, damned if they don't. A problem of their own making.

The only reason Trump's national poll numbers are even in the low 40% range is because of strong support in very red states. He's underwater badly in states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, underwater in Ohio, Iowa. Florida and others, and barely positive in Texas of all places as seen in this recent Morning Consult state-by-state poll of Trump approval. Hover your mouse over each state for Trump approval numbers.

#9 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 06:58 AM | Reply

"As well they should, these are not a proper use of tariffs under US law and the WTO, since this has nothing to do with trade."

Good point, one that 98% of Americans doesn't understand.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-01 07:17 AM | Reply

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"Good point, one that 98% of Americans doesn't understand.
#10 | POSTED BY DANNI "

These Trump tariffs are terrible - we need more illegals just like the businesses want!

Drrr....why does my paycheck never increase....

- Danni

#11 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 08:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These Trump tariffs are terrible? - We need more illegals just like the ones I hire!

Drrr ... but we won't be arresting the employers who hire them and created this situation!!

- Donny (Trump)

Posted by iragoldberg

FTFY

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 08:49 AM | Reply

"but we won't be arresting the employers who hire them and created this situation!!
#12 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

I think we should arrest the employers. But we need to give them the tools to not hire illegals unknowingly. So, I assume you are 100% for the IRS notifying the employers when there is a social security number mis-match? Also, it think ICE should do raids on businesses - if they pick up illegals, they should pick up the hiring managers too. You agree with that?

#13 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 08:54 AM | Reply

-- Also, it think ICE should do raids on businesses

Democrats would rather abolish ICE than hire more agents.

#PartyOfIllegalImmigration

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 08:57 AM | Reply

"#14 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN "

They are against a wall and interior enforcement actions by ICE - yet claim to not be for open borders. Progressives == liars.

#15 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But we need to give them the tools to not hire illegals unknowingly.

Those tools exist already. First clue they may not be legal: they don't speak a word of English.

I've had to provide proof to the companies that contract me that all the folks I hire are legal. Been that way for over a dozen years. Passport or license/birth certificate/social security card so they can run it through eVerify.

eVerify will tell anyone who is and who is not legally allowed to work in the U.S.

A contractor building a new house down the street has a Trump sticker on his pickup and a houseful of illegal Guatemalans building it. I asked him how he justifies the paradox of being a Trump supporter yet hiring dozens of illegal migrants. His answer "I hire subcontractors & they hire who they want to!" Uh, huh, hypocrite.

I abide by the law while Mr. Big Trump Supporter chooses not to for his own financial gain.

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 09:03 AM | Reply

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I agree. All ICE needs to do is drive by most construction sites to find illegal workers. The people who look the other way are in air conditioned offices. Like Trump.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 09:10 AM | Reply

(closing italics)

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 09:10 AM | Reply

"Drrr....why does my paycheck never increase....
- Danni"

You wish that were true, unfortunately for you though, I live quite well, have a nice cushy job and few worries. Can you feel me laughing at you?

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-01 09:10 AM | Reply

"I abide by the law while Mr. Big Trump Supporter chooses not to for his own financial gain.
#16 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

Did you call ICE?

"Passport or license/birth certificate/social security card so they can run it through eVerify."

The employer should be forced to do so - 100% on board with that. I don't agree on your "word of English" statement - that sounds like you are setting up the employers for lawsuits. What do you do with employees submitting fake social security numbers? What punishment do they face?

#20 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 09:11 AM | Reply

--They are against a wall and interior enforcement actions by ICE...

And offer all the incentives they can think of: promises of future amnesty, sanctuary laws, and lots of free stuff--welfare, healthcare, education, college tuition, etc.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 09:13 AM | Reply

"You wish that were true, unfortunately for you though, I live quite well, have a nice cushy job and few worries.
#19 | POSTED BY DANNI "

If you say so. Reading your posts, sounds like you were in and out of poverty your whole life and your kids are following in lockstep. Your family seems to be lower class white folks without college degrees in useful fields so stuck living paycheck to paycheck. Maybe I am off in my opinion of you but your posting doesn't indicate that.

#22 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 09:13 AM | Reply

"A contractor building a new house down the street has a Trump sticker on his pickup and a houseful of illegal Guatemalans building it. I asked him how he justifies the paradox of being a Trump supporter yet hiring dozens of illegal migrants. His answer "I hire subcontractors & they hire who they want to!" Uh, huh, hypocrite."

Thank you for expressing the truth exactly as I have been trying to for a long time here. They don't really want an end to illegal immigration, it's just a talking point to please their ignorant, angry base. They are angry because their lives suck and blaming illegal immigrants is a convenient scape goat. Ending illegal immigration completely won't improve their condition at all but it will make their groceries much more expensive.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-01 09:13 AM | Reply

"#21 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN"

Seems to be a paradox - their actions seem 100% aligned with open borders an actual encouraging illegal immigration. Yet, they typically are the ones to whine the loudest about their wages not increasing.

#24 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 09:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"If you say so. Reading your posts, sounds like you were in and out of poverty your whole life and your kids are following in lockstep."

You don't have any idea about my life or about my kids you idiot. They do quite well, one of them just bought a house with a pool which I enjoyed last Sunday. And trust me on this, to buy a house with a pool in S. Florida, Broward County, you simply can't be poor. I find that only the dumbest of the dumbasses attack others and pretend they are poor, or ugly, or fat, or etc.
You definitely qualify in that group of dumbasses.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-01 09:22 AM | Reply

"one of them just bought a house with a pool which I enjoyed last Sunday.
#25 | POSTED BY DANNI "

Was it an above ground pool?

#26 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 09:23 AM | Reply

What do you do with employees submitting fake social security numbers? What punishment do they face?

Posted by iragoldberg

They won't pass eVerify. What punishment should Trump face for hiring illegals at his properties?

Here's a Google list of articles on what legal jeopardy employers face for hiring illegal workers. Take your pick:

www.google.com

As I mentioned earlier, the contractors who knowingly hire them in order to increase their own profits know damned well their subs are hiring illegals but they turn a blind eye because it's cheap labor.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 09:25 AM | Reply

"Seems to be a paradox - their actions seem 100% aligned with open borders an actual encouraging illegal immigration."

You want to blame illegal immigration on people who can't support separating children from their parents or deporting veterans who have fought for the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of the people who hire illegal aliens, have Trump bumper stickers and who contribute to the GOP.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-01 09:26 AM | Reply

"Was it an above ground pool?"

What business is it of yours? I find you to be one of the most hateful people posting here today. I'm not sure what your previous name was here but I suspect it started with Goat. Whatever it was, I'm sure I didn't like you in your previous self any better than I do now.
And, not that it any of your business, no it is not an above ground pool though I know folks who have had such pools for years and years and they are perfectly fine. So, you replace the liner every few years and enjoy the pool for years. Only a pompous ass would care one way or the other.

#29 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-01 09:30 AM | Reply

"What punishment do they face?"

Only a really stupid person would want to punish an illegal alien for contributing to SS which they an never collect. And then they also pay U.S. income taxes. What a dunce.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2019-06-01 09:34 AM | Reply

I don't agree on your "word of English" statement - that sounds like you are setting up the employers for lawsuits.

FAKE JEW

It takes awhile to get a green card, longer to get citizenship. If someone can't speak a word of English beyond 'thank you,' it's a pretty good indicator they most likely don't have either.

Anyway, want to end illegal immigration? Start perp walking CEO's and COO's and the white guys who want cheap labor, in handcuffs, on TV. Without the greedy Americans who vote for Trump but look the other way in the name of the almighty dollar, this problem wouldn't exist.

And cutting off aid to the Central American countries from which these folks are fleeing violence was about as stupid a move as a president can make. But hey, he's VERY stupid!

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 09:36 AM | Reply

I find that only the dumbest of the dumbasses attack others and pretend they are poor, or ugly, or fat, or etc.
You definitely qualify in that group of dumbasses.

#25 | POSTED BY DANNI

...or foreign agents, or Russian bots, or work for Putin, or etc.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-06-01 09:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- Start perp walking CEO's and COO's and the white guys who want cheap labor, in handcuffs, on TV.

How are you going to do that without ICE agents? Call Sheriff Andy?

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 09:41 AM | Reply

Can Trump do this? Yes. Will he? Definitely. This is not an empty threat a la Obama. Mexico will have to enforce sovereignty on their side of border to accomplish this. At this time their border is controlled by the cartels. I'm not worried, Mexico has a lot of experience putting down rebellions. It couldn't get any worse down there.

#34 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-06-01 09:47 AM | Reply

"Was it an above ground pool?"
What business is it of yours?
#29 | POSTED BY DANNI"

I will take that as a yes.

#35 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 09:48 AM | Reply

--.or foreign agents, or Russian bots, or work for Putin, or etc.

Paid posters, for sure, because no one would dare challenge the towering intellect of Ditzy without getting paid for it.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 09:48 AM | Reply

"Anyway, want to end illegal immigration? Start perp walking CEO's and COO's and the white guys who want cheap labor, in handcuffs, on TV. Without the greedy Americans who vote for Trump but look the other way in the name of the almighty dollar, this problem wouldn't exist.
#31 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY "

If you don't give them a legit way to distinguish when an illegal has a fake papers, then the logical result will be for them to stop hiring anyone that speaks Spanish. When that happens, you will be back on here crying about discrimination.

We see through your lies. You want open borders. You don't even want ICE for the "white" employers, much less the illegals. You will resist any enforcement action because it doesn't meet your fairytale expectations - well, those days are over now. Trump is building the wall and Mexico is paying for it. Tired of America winning yet?

#37 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If an employer wants to know if someone is legal or not, it only takes about 5 minutes to enroll and less than that to verify eligibility.

And f*** you and the rest of your babbled nonsense.

#38 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 09:56 AM | Reply

--When that happens, you will be back on here crying about discrimination.

Exactly. As soon as the raids begin, the Democrats, SJWs, the ACLU, etc. will be screaming racism! Gestapo! Fascist!, and filing lawsuits in friendly courts with Obama judges.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--If an employer wants to know if someone is legal or not, it only takes about 5 minutes to enroll and less than that to verify eligibility.

Hey stupid, these thousands of people that are being released into the interior because of loopholes in our laws are given work visas.

#40 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 10:00 AM | Reply

ICE didn't exist until 2003. We did without it for 214 years.

#41 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-06-01 10:02 AM | Reply

--ICE didn't exist until 2003. We did without it for 214 years.

ICE was just part of a reorganization. The open borders Left used to demonize its predecessor, the INS. Same thing, different acronym.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 10:06 AM | Reply

"ICE didn't exist until 2003. We did without it for 214 years.
#41 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN"

ICE as an agency didn't - the function of interior enforcement absolutely did.

#43 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 10:08 AM | Reply

Hey stupid, these thousands of people that are being released into the interior because of loopholes in our laws are given work visas.

Posted by nullifidian

I have far more experience in verifying and providing proof of employees legal status than you ever will. Also, my wife's business is doing background checks. It isn't hard to do. Takes minutes.

Quit focusing on workers and focus on employers ... like Trump, who hire them. Make anyone filing 1099s for subs or W2s for employees provide the necessary proof those people were legally allowed to work in the U.S. and prosecute them if they fail to do so. Like I do. By fax or email.

Verify the paperwork when the IRS turns up questionable employees and do on site employee verification checks on a random basis so employers never know when or where the gov will check.

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 10:11 AM | Reply

--#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

No one cares about your personal anecdotes. We are giving work visas to people, who, 90% of the time, don't show up for their asylum hearings because they know their claims are bogus to begin with.

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 10:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Hmm, should we listen to the guy with experience and background in the area being discussed, or the senile keyboard warrior who just wants to rant about brown people from the nursing home? Tough one.

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-01 10:20 AM | Reply

"No one cares about your personal anecdotes."

...he posts, right before launching into a personal fantasy.

You can't make this schitt up.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-01 10:22 AM | Reply

1.) Verify the paperwork when the IRS turns up questionable employees
2.) Do on site employee verification checks on a random basis so employers never know when or where the gov will check.
3.) Cry about fascism and racism when the government actually checks
#44 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

#48 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 10:24 AM | Reply

NULLIFIDIAN

You don't have the first ---- clue what you're talking about!

FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings

Recent data shows that asylum seekers continue to appear for immigration court proceedings at high rates. In fiscal year 2018, Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing to receive a decision on their application. When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/workload-and-adjudication-statistics

Trump refuses to hire immigration judges. Of course there's a backlog of pending cases. DUH!!

#49 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 10:29 AM | Reply

Hahahaha. Nulli is such a moron.

#50 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-01 10:34 AM | Reply

"Department of Justice (DOJ) figures show that 89 percent of all asylum applicants attended their final court hearing "

So Nulli was only off by 790%.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-06-01 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) also calculates immigration court asylum denial rates by comparing only grants and denials. Its data on EOIR asylum decisions shows that from FY 2012 to FY 2017, the asylum denial rate was 79 percent for people from El Salvador, 88 percent for people from Mexico, 78 percent for people from Honduras and 75 percent for people from Guatemala."

These people are denied asylum because their claims are bogus. They are job seekers, nothing more. The Party of Open Borders and the Chamber of Commerce would like all of them approved. More cheap labor, more future Democrat voters.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

3.) Cry about fascism and racism when the government actually checks

Blah blah blah, yada yada yada, right wing BS.

No one has to even show up anywhere to check status. We could easily start with the premise that all employers - W2 and 1099 employees - verify immigration status. If an employer is found to have reported 1099s or W2s that don't match legitimate SS or TINs (Tax Identification Number) an audit of their hiring practices should commence, like an IRS audit. Red flags.

There are ZERO reasons any employer has for not having verified status to begin with, considering it only takes a few keystrokes to do it. Guilty of hiring undocumented workers? Hefty fines and jail. No exceptions. Someone gave you a phony SS number? You could have known that with a few keystrokes.

When the onus to verify and criminal liability falls on the employer, and is enforced, things will change. It isn't rocket science. And it's quick. Did you know IRS computers can tell in seconds or minutes whether or not your reported income matches your lifestyle based on what you drive, where you live, purchases you've made, etc? With fines and jail time as threats, employers would crack the whip and ensure every employee is legal, subcontractors and their employees too. End of problem.

But Republicans don't want that. No no no. They need the bogeyman. Every. Single. Election.

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 10:46 AM | Reply

--But Republicans don't want that. No no no. They need the bogeyman. Every. Single. Election.

You know very well that Democrats don't want that. They would rather abolish ICE than hire more agents. Wokamala, Sanders, Gillibrand are all hostile to ICE. Bobby O'Rourke wants to destroy existing border barriers. No Democrat president will ever crack down on employers. Fact!

#PartyOfOpenBorders

#54 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 10:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"FACT CHECK: Asylum Seekers Regularly Attend Immigration Court Hearings
#49 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY"

More liberal BS conflating illegals and asylum seekers - just like they conflate illegals and legal immigrants when it comes to use of government welfare programs.

The reality is that this asylum nonsense is a new phenomenon from when liberals realized it is a great loophole despite 90% of asylum claims being tossed historically.

Now, lets look at some real numbers.

It has been worse, with court skipouts reaching 59 percent in 2005 and 2006.

"From 1996 through 2017, 37 percent of all aliens free pending trial disappeared. From the 2,680,598 foreign nationals that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) released on their own recognizance, 1,320,000, received deportation orders, 75 percent of them (993,593) for failure to appear. Only 25 percent of this group -- some 324,402 people altogether -- actually tried their cases," said the analysis titled "Skipping Court" from the Center for Immigration Studies.

#55 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-06-01 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you don't give them a legit way to distinguish when an illegal has a fake papers, then the logical result will be for them to stop hiring anyone that speaks Spanish. When that happens, you will be back on here crying about discrimination.

CLUELESS PERSON

Read above how easy it is to verify legal status. A few keystrokes.

BTW, any SS# beginning with 9 is bogus. A hefty percentage of fake SS cards used for employment begin with 9. EASY to spot fakes. The SS Administration doesn't issue any SS #'s beginning with 9. Employers know this. They don't care because there aren't any criminal ramifications for hiring illegal workers. Just a 'show' arrest now and then to make things look good.

Again, all status verification can be done with a few keystrokes.

Arrest and fine and jail employers and the problem will end pronto.

#56 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 11:00 AM | Reply

Arrest and fine and jail drug dealers and the problem will end pronto.

--Democrat logic

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-06-01 11:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Arrest and fine and jail drug dealers and the problem will end pronto.

When the 18th Amendment was enacted, gang wars and gun battles on the streets over it's manufacture and sale and the illegal money they fought over ended nearly overnight. Legalize all drugs, like Portugal, and cartels will be out of business by next year.

Democrats would prefer rehab and vocational training over jail and prison, but Republicans need bogeyman to show they're 'tough on crime.' Plus, they want to keep those private prisons full, so efforts to change the status quo go nowhere. Rather than treating addiction, we're creating people with felony convictions who'll have a hard time the rest of their lives. The majority of people in prison are there for selling, possessing, or stealing to buy drugs. But private prisons are BIG BUCKS, so nothing happens.

Portugal's radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn't the world copied it?

Since it decriminalized all drugs in 2001, Portugal has seen dramatic drops in overdoses, HIV infection and drug-related crime

www.theguardian.com

#58 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 11:51 AM | Reply

#52 Asylum denial rate isn't the same thing as people not showing up for hearings, which is what you claimed. Own your words, dummy.

#59 | Posted by JOE at 2019-06-01 11:52 AM | Reply

"Portugal's radical drugs policy is working. Why hasn't the world copied it? "

Because in the mind of a conservative, it doesn't hurt the people who need to be hurt.

It's really just that simple.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-01 11:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats would rather abolish ICE than hire more agents.

#PartyOfIllegalImmigration

#14 | Posted by nullifidian

Hm ...

Trump ordered 15,000 new border and immigration officers -- but got thousands of vacancies instead

Two years after President Trump signed orders to hire 15,000 new border agents and immigration officers, the administration has spent tens of millions of dollars in the effort -- but has thousands more vacancies than when it began.

He was given the funding. Few people want to work under Mr Magic Businessman.

#61 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-01 02:27 PM | Reply

#61

Yea, but Trump makes Nulli's privates tingle and it makes him excite. So he sold his ethics and morals for an orange con man.

Trump tells him what he wants to hear.

He's convinced Trump is here to save him and carry him off to trump towers where he will replace Melania as Trump's arm candy.

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-01 02:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#55 | Posted by iragoldberg

The people showing up at our southern border are asylum seekers from Central America.

You don't read much, do you?

#63 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-02 02:32 AM | Reply

AU,

Given our asylum laws, I cannot justify illegal entry into our country.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-06-02 02:37 AM | Reply

Given our asylum laws, I cannot justify illegal entry into our country.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ

From what I've read, due to the ports of entry purposefully being slowed down to a crawl, others crossing at non-ports of entry are seeking out border agents to surrender.

Trump refuses to ask for more immigration judges, creating a monster backlog of cases, which is his goal.

#65 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-02 02:39 AM | Reply

#62 | Posted by ClownShack

I remember the old NULLIFIDIAN.

The current one has had a mental breakdown of some sort and turned into a crazy curmudgeon who shouts at clouds. Maybe the real NULLIFIDIAN's nephew killed him and stuffed his body in a closet.

#66 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-02 02:42 AM | Reply

And is posing as the crazy idiot that posts here.

#67 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-02 02:43 AM | Reply

"Given our asylum laws, I cannot justify illegal entry into our country."

If it's a matter of life and death, including a matter of life or death if a person is sent back, I am okay with a person entering the country illegally.

If asylum laws don't take that into consideration, then that's murder by the state, and generally speaking I can't support that, for a number of reasons, three of which are: Never giving the state license to kill avoids the issue of the state exercising that power in ways some people might find unjust, the justice system itself is imperfect so it's basically guaranteed innocent people will be executed, and granting that power renders the individual subordinate to the state, as you can't hunt down the guy who killed your family, and in fact if you, the state will hunt you down just like him.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-06-02 02:48 AM | Reply

JEFF:

Trump's made it worse. Between the massive backlog and elimination of funding for Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras that helped make things better down there, things will now only get worse there - and here at our border. Add the new Mexican tariffs and more Mexicans will be seeking to get here for economic reasonsTrump is just digging himself a deeper hole. Much of it of his own making.

The U.S. immigration court system is facing a backlog of 850,000 cases, and it has fewer than 450 judges nationwide to handle them. New asylum applications and other claims are piling up, creating long delays that Central American families arriving in record numbers know will allow them to remain in the United States for years while they wait.

Trump's critics blame his administration's overzealous enforcement approach for making the problem worse by arresting more people who can't be quickly deported. But the delays have become a migration magnet as powerful as the U.S. economy or the desire to reunite with relatives living in the United States, administration officials say.

#69 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-02 02:53 AM | Reply

"While the exact numbers are not known, many of those apprehended along the southern border, including the thousands who present themselves at legal ports of entry, surrender voluntarily to Border Patrol agents and eventually submit legal asylum claims."

Remember the old 'we have to fight them here so we don't have to fight them over there' claim in the gin up to the Iraq War?

Funding programs in Central America to ameliorate crime and poverty are THE best way to stop the flow of families seeking safety from horrendous conditions down there.

Trump eliminated that funding. NOT smart. Very dumb way to only exacerbate the problem.

#70 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-06-02 03:07 AM | Reply

AU

"Very dumb way to only exacerbate the problem.

I usually look at Trump's "problems" from his deranged view point and come to a much different conclusion. The first thing I take into consideration is that's he's mentally unstable (deranged) and cannot be treated as "normal" by any psychiatric standard. The second thing I've observed is that he revels in the power he has to hurt people over whom he has control. That's a sickness because it doesn't stop at immigrants. It includes everybody. Now his sickness has been expanded to include the very foundation of America ~ as in "destroy the establishment" ~ to solidify his insatible need to raise himself up by destroying everything else.

All of America is in his crosshairs. It's no coincidence that Vldimir Putin is on the same mission.

Trump is a very no-class individual. I really don't think there is any "bottom" to his depravity nor is he interested in eliminating the "problem" that also happens to be the very source that feeds his need to inflict intense pain.

As I said, it's a mental illness that we should re-brand now as actual criminality. It has become that bad.


#71 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-06-02 06:38 AM | Reply

Is Trump insane?

Probably not in a clinical sense. He knows the difference between right and wrong. The proof of that lies in his extreme attempts to obstruct investigations into his activities.

As for being a criminal. I think he's been a criminal all his adult life.

As for being a deal maker. LOL ~ hardly. At least not on the world stage where he has to confront world leaders who are better at the job than him.

As for being transparent. LOL, again. The joke is on you if you think so.

As for MAGA. Yes, if you're in the 1%. If you're not, then you're screwed on multible levels.

As for bringing manufacturing to America. After Trump's tarriffs on China and Mexico, it seems manufacturers would rather move their plants to Viet Nam. Now, isn't that a kick in the nether region.

Is Trump a genius? Compared to any other lower form of mammal, it's still a toss up.

Will Trump's base still vote for him? Only the ones who are afflicted with terminal hatred of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Is Trump anti-immigration? Actually NO. He hires as many of them as he can to improve his profit margin at his golf courses. Otherwise, they are useful as scapegoats to help in his re-election.

Are Trump voters suckers? OMG - let me count the ways. (((ALERT))) I might run out of bandwidth.

#72 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-06-02 07:55 AM | Reply

All I want are cheap avocados. Nothing else matters.

#73 | Posted by dxlingr at 2019-06-02 04:49 PM | Reply

Tomatoes too.

#74 | Posted by dxlingr at 2019-06-02 04:50 PM | Reply

All I want are cheap avocados.

I've been growing two trees from avocado seeds I got from avocados off my dad's tree.

But. I've been told it's a fruitless effort.

Apparently fruit bearing avocado trees are grafted together from different types of avocado trees.

But. Then. How did avocados reproduce in nature, in the wild?

I'm not giving up hope on my trees yet. But. We'll see if they ever produce fruit.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-06-02 04:57 PM | Reply

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