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Sunday, May 26, 2019

Thurston Clarke: President Richard Nixon promised Americans that the Paris Peace Accords ending the Vietnam War would bring "peace with honor." They brought neither, and it now appears that the Afghan War is headed for a similar denouement.




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South Vietnam experienced a two-year "decent interval" between the signing of the Accords and the fall of Saigon. During Afghanistan's decent interval the Taliban are certain to gain more power in whatever coalition government follows a peace agreement. Tanks will not crash through the gates to the Presidential Palace in Kabul, as they did in Saigon, because by then the Taliban may control the palace.

But as was the case in South Vietnam, the fall of Kabul will likely create hundreds of thousands of desperate refugees. These will include Afghans who fear for their lives because of their associations with the U.S. and former Afghan governments and military, and Afghans who are as unwilling to live in a radical Islamic state as many South Vietnamese were to live in a communist one.

#1 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-05-25 11:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clarke doesn't seem to offer any how to solution, only a moral imperative that those loyal to another failing US military effort be provided refuge when the time comes to withdraw. Once withdrawal begins the US will quickly lose all control of the problem. But we can't stay there forever and we've already stayed too long.

#2 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-26 08:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yea OK. Ask the Kurds.

#3 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-05-27 12:31 AM | Reply

The most expensive military in history being hi.il8ated again.

What a joke.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2019-05-27 01:56 AM | Reply

We have zero reason to be in Afghanistan now. We have next to zero reason to be there previously other than lobbing cruise missiles as terrorist training sites. I never signed up to teach Afghan girls how to read or to build them schools - or a functioning democracy for that matter. The US is very good at going in and killing people and blowing things up - they are not a police force. As for our 'career' State Department people, they are a ship of idealistical fools and we don't have to fund their fantasies.

If we have learned anything over the past 80 years dealing with the middle east, central/south asia - it is that the only way to bring peace to the area from an American perspective (and truly, that is all that matters) is to remove all of our money from the region. The more money we pile in to buy their resources or to fund their internal wars, the more problems we have - not less. We need to leave this area to itself - let them evolve and become part of the civilized world or continue their current de-evolutionary path via cousin marriage. But let them do it with their own money.

The only country in the entire region that has shown any hint of being able to join the civilized war is Iran - and we fight with them because of Israel. The policies make no sense.

I am not a 'green new deal' guy - but, we should slash military spending and invest it in renewables, fracking, etc in the US so that we don't need to deal with these savages. Maybe we can re-evaluate our relationship with them in 100 years when they finally discover a solution to wiping other than their left hands.

#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-27 02:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-27 02:36 AM | Reply | Flag: i.postimg.cc

#6 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-05-27 03:38 AM | Reply


You seem to be very frustrated with life. Let me guess, you have no sheep or cousins. Here is a tip - soak your left hand in bleach for a week, put on your best pair of pajama pants, and then try to sneak into India. You will probably be a bit intimidated at first as they actually can read and write there but stick with it. After working for a few years and adopting more civilized habits, you may be able to get one of the girls in the untouchable caste to play with your dingdong.

#7 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-27 03:47 AM | Reply

#7 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-27 03:47 AM | Reply | Flag: i.postimg.cc

#8 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-05-27 05:20 AM | Reply

......."dingdong"!! who the hell says "dingdong" anymore?? You try to appear so intellectual, but you don't know ---- from Shinola.....

Ah...thinks you'se a phoney / fake "know it all"....who do like that "berg-gold" ????

#9 | Posted by saginawmi at 2019-05-27 08:26 AM | Reply

"......."dingdong"!! who the hell says "dingdong" anymore??

It is one of the best lines from the Wedding Singer (one of my favorite movies):

I have nothing to offer to anyone. Haven't done jack ---- since high school. Why would anyone wanna marry me?
Marry you? I'm just trying to get someone to play with your ding-dong.

#10 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-27 10:18 AM | Reply



Maybe we should remember what happened when we left. Two million voted with their feet and left the country, one million others were murdered by the Communist government. Over shadowed by the 2.5 million who died in the killing fields of Cambodia by another Communist government. Seems the number of people killed during of 4 years the "peace" exceeded 15 years of war. Same happened in Russia after the First World War. Same happened in China after World War Two.

#11 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-05-27 10:33 AM | Reply

Both Vietnam and Afghanistan, as well as Iraq, Iran? and every other conflict in the world that American leadership has pushed for aggression against. Namely, American military-industrial complex must be fed. Or, in other words, as the people of Dune would tell you, the Spice must flow.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-05-27 01:51 PM | Reply

That military intelligence is perhaps the single most accessible point and may be confined to a few hundred people. That they generally share seats, ideas and access makes it that much simpler to influence, subvert and eliminate.

MOAB was used for what again? NOT A MISSILE, or summuch? Bitches.

#13 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-05-27 08:12 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by redlightrobot, It is a big concussion bomb. They use it to collapse tunnels, does that in spades.

#14 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-05-28 04:40 AM | Reply

how to leave.....?

With our tails between our legs? That's what you do when you lose.

#15 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-05-28 09:04 AM | Reply

We havent lost Kudzu,

the only thing that lost was liberal policy.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2019-05-28 01:31 PM | Reply

the only thing that lost was liberal policy.

Liberal policy says war is the result of a failure of communication.

Liberal policy says don't go to war.

All these wars are on conservative's shoulders. Own it. Eat it.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-28 01:44 PM | Reply

Liberal policy says war is the result of a failure of communication.

Depends on the communication. Why do you liberals always think the enemy thinks as you do? Just because you are not decisive in a conflict doesnt mean our enemy wont be. Some wars cannot be avoided. You cant talk your way out of every situation. And most of the time, "talking" you are giving up something that you dont need to. Our "Peace" and their "peace" usually do not look the same.

I'm not willing to compromise on my peace.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2019-05-28 02:23 PM | Reply

All these wars are on conservative's shoulders. Own it. Eat it.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack

WWI, President: Woodrow Wilson (D)
WWII, President: Franlin D. Roosevelt (D)
Korean War, President: Harry S. Truman (D)
Vietnam War, President: Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
Persian Gulf War, President: George H.W. Bush (R)
Iraq War, President: George W. Bush (R)
Bosnian War, President: Bill Clinton (D)
And although President Obama did not start any wars, he destablized the Middle East, through inaction, into a volatile situation for the whole region.

Wars are the handy work of a shadow government. The President is just window dressing for their agendas.

#19 | Posted by Daniel at 2019-05-28 02:43 PM | Reply


Which one of those presidents would you consider liberals? None of them are in my opinion.

Also. Not sure about WW1. But I agree with our involvement in WW2.

That was a justified war.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-29 05:13 AM | Reply

#20 | Posted by ClownShack The first world war laid the foundations of the second world war. Remember Germany had not existed as a nation for 50 years before WWI. The great Empires of the time were England and France. We should have let the imperialist bleed each other to death. I suppose you can consider France and England were Democracies, so long as you were white and living in the home land. Being black in an African colony or brown in India or Asia, not so much.

#21 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-05-29 11:54 AM | Reply

Clown - I do agree, the only justified war, even looking back, is pretty much WWI and WWII.
Some may think we pushed Japan into WWII...

But, I fully believe we need declarations of war for wars. I hate these 'other term put here' conflicts.

#22 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-05-29 12:46 PM | Reply

#22 | Posted by Petrous Yea, when FDR banned exports of oil and scrap to Japan, the di was cast. The Japanese knew the only other option was to Invade the Dutch held colonies' oilfields. We were going to have a war with Japan. The Japanese by this time had been waging wars of aggression for over 40 years. Korea, Manchuria, and large areas of China had already fallen under Japanese domination by 1941.

#23 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-05-29 02:10 PM | Reply

#19 | Posted by Daniel, President Obama did not start any wars, I think the inhabitants of Libya might disagree with you. As Hillary said "We came, We saw, He died", funny as hell, or that witch thought so.

#24 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-05-29 05:05 PM | Reply

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