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Two-thirds of Americans want Roe v. Wade left in place, and most who hold that view would be disappointed or angry if the ruling were to be overturned someday, a new CBS News poll finds. ... Views on abortion divide along partisan lines as they have for years, but Republicans split over whether Roe v. Wade, specifically, ought to be overturned. A plurality of Republicans would have stricter limits on abortion, rather than have it not permitted, and they are more likely to want Roe left in place.

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If Republicans ever lose this socially divisive, and that of gun control and homosexuality.... well, they will lose all the fearmongered proxy voters for their donors and any power they ever had.

So, a good thing.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-24 02:09 PM | Reply

Conservatives and evangelicals get abortions too.

#2 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-24 02:36 PM | Reply

Pro-lifers who are trying to overturn Roe v Wade are going about it the wrong way. What they should be focusing on is medical technology, to create artificial wombs and make transplants viable.

#3 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-24 03:12 PM | Reply

"Pro-lifers" only care about fetuses, aka 'babies' until they're born.

Why didn't red states expand Medicaid if they're so concerned about the "sanctity of life?"

Lots of talk about how much they value life, but they don't value the born enough to even ensure they have ready access to medical care, not to mention defunding women's health clinics where they get prenatal care, cancer screenings, or, wait for it ... BIRTH CONTROL to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

#4 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-24 03:23 PM | Reply

The remaining one third elect the folks who make the laws.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-24 03:37 PM | Reply

Since when does the Oligarchy care what the public wants?

#6 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-25 12:26 AM | Reply

Note: All commenters above haven't a uterus.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-25 12:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If 2016 should have taught us anything it's, it doesn't matter what the majority of Americans want.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-25 02:02 AM | Reply

I actually support Roe V Wade. With limits. If you have a baby in you that has a heartbeat and is moving inside you, that's a human. I would support abortion up to 6 months. Anything past that is murder. And you should know you are prego by six months, so that "you didnt know" BS is just that, BS. But I have no problem with contraception before three months.

But then again, I'm a true moderate.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-05-25 12:43 PM | Reply

" I would support abortion up to 6 months. "

So...

What happens when the baby develops severe abnormalities after the 6 month mark? From the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists:

...pregnant women may experience conditions such as "premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta" late in pregnancy that may endanger their lives."

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-25 12:51 PM | Reply

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pregnant women may experience conditions such as

This is not from ACOG, this is from WaPo....

"premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta" late in pregnancy that may endanger their lives."

This is a contextomy....

This is the exact quote:
Abortion later in pregnancy may also be necessary when complications severely compromise a woman's health or life, conditions which may also reduce the possibility of fetal survival. These might include premature rupture of membranes and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta.
www.acog.org

See whats missing? See Whats Added ?

Are you a liar, no, just ignorant of your sources bias.

What happens when the baby develops severe abnormalities after the 6 month mark?

Its an outlier as stated in the link above, I have no problem with it. Doesn't mean the RowvsWade shouldn't stand, there could be waivers, her and doctor should have to sign a waiver to that extent.

Happens all time with DMV, why not in this case?

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-25 01:21 PM | Reply

"This is not from ACOG, this is from WaPo...."

WaPo was quoting ACOG. Hence the quotes on the page.

"See whats missing? See Whats Added ? "

See that neither alter the underlying meaning of the quote?

"Are you a liar, no, just ignorant of your sources bias."

I always love being called ignorant by someone who doesn't know how to use possessives.

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-25 02:05 PM | Reply

This means that over 100 million Americans do not condone womburder.

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-05-25 03:00 PM | Reply

My question is this.

Why don't pro-choice people consider the life being ended as "human"?

Are they afraid of the moral dilemma they would find themselves if they did?

Why can they not just say "we accept the life being ended is human but feel the mothers' bodies takes precedent over the unborn"?

Why do they slip around this conflict by denying this life is human?

Maybe it's just that simple denying the life is human makes it easier to live with yourself.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-25 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why don't pro-choice people consider the life being ended as "human"?

Why don't pro-life people consider the life being lived outside the womb as "human?" They support politicians (many of whom claim to be 'pro-life') who:

- Refused to expand Medicaid
- Slashed funding to women's health clinics that provide cancer screenings and BIRTH CONTROL
- Cut school lunch program funding
- Have been hell bent on overturning the PPACA, which provides benefits to all Americans; they can no longer drop you if you get sick, can't deny coverage based on preexisting conditions, have to spend 80% of premiums on actually providing health care, annual physical included, colonoscopies, breast cancer screenings, etc
- Have been squawking about how we can't afford SS and Medicare.

All things that promote and maintain 'life' for the born.

"Pro-life" people and politicians are out and out hypocrites, the lot of them.

#15 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 04:06 PM | Reply

Another question.

If as a society we defend women's rights to abort fetuses as a matter of convenience, why do we get all squirmy about the subject of abortion as a matter of choice such as aborting fetuses that have down syndrome?

I was reading in the US thousands of children are born with DS yearly but nearly none in Iceland.

In Iceland they do tests for DS and most people kill them, as a matter of choice.

Why not? If we're going to skirt around the abortion moral dilemma by making it the mother's choice, why should anyone judge a woman for ending the life of a DS baby?

Or any other deformity for that matter.

Let's take it further...wrong sex...wrong hair color...

Or maybe a genetic predisposition for being gay (I mean...it 100% genetic....right?)

Where is the imaginary dividing line between abortion for convenience and abortion for choice?

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-25 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson

You still fail to address why 'pro-life' people/politicians are so against supporting life outside the womb.

It's a paradox you can't explain, can you?

You're either 'pro-life' or you aren't. But Republicans and the 'pro-life' people who support them act as though life ends once you're born, and isn't worthy of support to preserve it.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 04:27 PM | Reply

BTW, conservatives and evangelicals get abortions too. Pot calling the kettle black.

#18 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 04:30 PM | Reply

America,

Come on....the whole abortion issue is nothing but hypocrisy.

Pro-choice and pro-life beliefs are both full of inconsistencies.

If you were less obsessed with only seeing one side you would understand.

#19 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-25 04:33 PM | Reply

"Why don't pro-choice people consider the life being ended as "human"?

I certainly do. I even admit the blastocyst smaller than the period at the end of this sentence is a human blastocyst.

"Are they afraid of the moral dilemma they would find themselves if they did?"

My bottom line is: does the government decide about the woman's body, or does the woman decide about the woman's body? The answer is easy for me: I cannot fathom a world where the government has autonomy over my body, so I can't--in good faith--demand different treatment for anyone else. The fact I'm personally against abortion matters not a whit; my job then is to support honest reproductive education, and access to affordable birth control, since those are the two drivers which have been proven again and again to reduce unwanted pregnancies. And yes...access to abortion services, to keep it safe. I'm not going to pretend outlawing abortion will end abortions; it will simply end safe abortions.

But since I'm truly "pro-life", I also support pre-natal education, easier access to child care, and early childhood development. Three things you'll rarely see the so-called "pro-life" folks embracing.

#20 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-25 04:33 PM | Reply

America,

You are correct.

Conservatives have abortions too.

Interesting to read the breakdown at what age and percentages.

#21 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-25 04:37 PM | Reply

If you were less obsessed with only seeing one side you would understand.

#19 | Posted by BillJohnson

Bill, you're either 'pro-life' or you aren't.

Life doesn't end when you're born, but Republicans and their pro-life supporters do everything they can to strip away the very things that make living outside the womb possible.

Here's where I am on the issue of abortion:

I don't think it's my place to make a decision for a woman, nor the government's decision.

Aren't the Republicans the party of 'personal freedom?' They claim to be. Except they stand on the side of government control over the most personal decisions people can make; like abortion or who they choose to love and marry, or whether you can smoke a joint.

Republicans just use abortion as a rallying cry to get evangelicals - who ignore most of what Jesus taught about helping the poor, hungry, sick, prisoners, etc - to the polls.

Meanwhile, they're adamantly opposed to doing anything to curb the gun violence that TAKES human lives by the tens of thousands every year in America.

#22 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 04:41 PM | Reply

American,

"Bill, you're either 'pro-life' or you aren't."

Error...Error...

Logic stuck in infinite loop.

This conversation will be terminated....

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-25 04:49 PM | Reply

#23 | Posted by BillJohnson

Fine by me.

You keep supporting politicians who don't care about humans outside the womb and I'll keep opposing them because I actually do.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 04:56 PM | Reply

BILL

You claim to be a 'Christian.'

Do me a favor and read Matthew 25: 31-45 and ask yourself if you're supporting the right politicians.

#25 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 04:57 PM | Reply

America,

Too bad liberals don't allow Christian values to be taught in public schools.

Perhaps the verse you referred would be better served.

#26 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-25 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sorry Comrade Billy,
Most of us don't want to live under your Christian Sharia law.
You don't want an abortion, then don't have one, it's as simple as that.

#27 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-25 05:18 PM | Reply

Separation of church and state is a fundamental principle of American democracy.

Hell, they aren't even teaching Christian values in evangelical churches, or espousing them on the right side of the aisle in Congress.

You didn't read Matthew 25:31-45, did you? It doesn't jibe with the support you give Republicans who stand in opposition to those edicts, does it?

Are you one of those "Christians" who quickly turn to Leviticus or the Apostle Paul to justify supporting the opposite of what He taught?

That's a fair question. You either stand for what the namesake of Christianity taught and stood for, or you don't. Black and white. There are no grey areas.

You either stand up for what He taught or you don't. You don't by supporting Republicans.

That is the truth. Read Matthew 25:31-45. But, you probably won't because it won't support your side.

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 05:25 PM | Reply

Too bad liberals don't allow Christian values to be taught in public schools.

Perhaps the verse you referred would be better served.
#26 | POSTED BY comrade Bill Johnson

Why is it too bad Christian values are not taught in public schools?

Ever hear of Freedom, or Freedom of choice?

You want to indoctrinate and radicalize your children with your religious beliefs and fairy tales you can do so by sending them to a private religious school or homeschool.

You want Christian Sharia law, most of us do not.

#29 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-25 05:26 PM | Reply

America,

"Separation of church and state is a fundamental principle of American democracy."

Ummmm.....were you not the one who threw up a Biblical verse?

You can't toss Biblical verses in someone's face and than cry separation of church and state.

hmmm...hmmm...hmmmm....

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-25 05:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're moving the goalposts, Bill. Keep supporting Republicans and you aren't doing God's work.

Republicans support the rich man, Democrats, Lazarus

Luke 16:19–31, New International Version:

"19"There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

25 "But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'

27"He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

29"Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'

30"‘No, father Abraham,' he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'

31"He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 05:46 PM | Reply

And Matthew 25:31-45

Jesus and the young rich man:

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven."

Republicans only help dudes like this.

Follow Jesus' teachings, not Republicans, and you'll have a chance of being with Him in heaven.

Otherwise, sorry, you ain't gonna get there. Period. No grey areas.

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 09:32 PM | Reply

You can't toss Biblical verses in someone's face and than cry separation of church and state.

hmmm...hmmm...hmmmm....

#30 | Posted by BillJohnson

I'm not a state. You're the one who brought up whatever it is you thought they used to teach in school. They never taught us anything remotely religious in public schools in the 60's and 70's. They didn't teach religion to my parents or grandparents in the public schools they attended either.

You support politicians (part of the state) who do not follow the tenets of Christ and harm the poor, the sick, and only benefit the rich.

THAT IS NOT WHAT JESUS TAUGHT.

#33 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-25 09:38 PM | Reply

THAT IS NOT WHAT JESUS TAUGHT.

Did Jesus teach being gay?

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2019-05-26 09:22 AM | Reply

Did Jesus teach being gay?

#34 | Posted by boaz at 2

He never said anything about it.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-26 09:28 AM | Reply

American,

Your posts are indeed what Jesus is quoted as saying.

However, I believe Jesus' teachings are more intended for the individual to evaluate their own heart and motivations than for you to use to judge others.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-26 10:05 AM | Reply

Zed,

Jesus had a great many opinions on sins of a sexual nature.

Through extrapolation we can build an argument how someone feels about one one thing based on how they feel about similar things.

#37 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-26 10:14 AM | Reply

1/2 of Democratic women have had an abortion.
1/3 of Republican women have had an abortion.

Let's be honest: everyone here is probably justifying the decisions they've made or been a part of.

Share your story, and maybe you'll win someone over.

#38 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-26 10:15 AM | Reply

Reference on relative abortion numbers:
web.archive.org

#39 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-26 10:17 AM | Reply

"1/2 of Democratic women have had an abortion.
1/3 of Republican women have had an abortion. "

And 1/3 of Republican women are liars.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-26 10:21 AM | Reply

Danni,

So are only Republican women lying? Are you saying GOP women are having 0% of abortions or 66%?

#41 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-26 10:23 AM | Reply

Zed,

Keep in mind, the Bible could not possibly be the culmination of everything Jesus ever said or thought.

Simply, as humans we can not possibly live sinless and that is the point of some things Jesus said.

The basic belief of Christians is that humans are not on the same plane as God. We are not Gods or even God-like.

There are people who believe they are and I think they are fooling themselves and others like them.

And whether you are gay or straight is absurd on the scheme of things. No Christians become sinless while living in this world.

#42 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-26 10:28 AM | Reply

www.realclearpolitics.com

"...more than six in 10 of those who say they are pro-choice (61 percent) join the three-quarters of all Americans in wanting abortion restricted to – again, at most – the first trimester. So do about six in 10 Democrats (59 percent), eight in 10 independents (78 percent) and nine in 10 Republicans (92 percent)"

So it's a little more complicated than it would seem.

#43 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-26 10:33 AM | Reply

Your posts are indeed what Jesus is quoted as saying.

However, I believe Jesus' teachings are more intended for the individual to evaluate their own heart and motivations than for you to use to judge others.

#36 | Posted by BillJohnson

Evaluate? That's you leaving yourself wiggle room not to not abide by Christ's tenets whenever you choose. Like most evangelical Christians I know who 'interpret' to their liking rather than follow what the namesake of Christianity taught. Who will quickly turn to the Old Testament or Paul to justify NOT doing what Christ taught.

It's black and white. No shades of gray in what He said. You're (generally speaking) either a Christian or you should call yourself something else. Paulianity? Old Testamentism?

Why don't evangelical "Christians" follow verbatim what the namesake said? After all, it's the reason the religion was founded. On His words, not the Old Testament, not Paul. One man only.

I call myself a 'red print Christian' because THAT is Christianity. It doesn't resemble most of what I've witnessed over my life in evangelical churches whose members judge others so easily and self righteously, and vote for the very politicians who'd side with the rich man rather than the beggar, who wouldn't give up their riches to follow Him like the young rich man. Who'd easily fail the Matthew 25:31-45 test.

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-26 10:48 AM | Reply

Jesus said to pray in a closet and not prosthelytize. TV preachers ring a bell?
Jesus said to give what you have to the poor, not build megachurches with parking lots full of $40,000 cars
Jesus said not to judge others. Evangelicals have judging others down to a science

And I could go on ...

Anyway, I'll never again darken the door of an evangelical church. My church is the world at large, where a beggar can get a meal or a few bucks or a warm place to sleep from me. Where a family in need - illegal migrant or not - can get some food in the cabinets and clothes for their kids. Where tenants can get free rent if trouble besets their lives. Where a kind word or just open ears can give someone a chance to feel heard.

Sound familiar? It's in the 'red print' - the highlighted words of the namesake of Christianity.

#45 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-26 10:54 AM | Reply

And referring again to Republican policies and how antithetical they are to Christian principles:

How "Christian" is it to give huge tax cuts to the rich while slashing funding on school lunch programs, women's health clinics, grumbling about how we can't afford SS and Medicare, how red states didn't expand Medicaid so the poor could have ready access to good health care ... and all the rest that Republicans have done and seek to do that's 100% antithetical to the tenets Christ taught about rich vs the poor.

#46 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-26 11:03 AM | Reply

American,

"Jesus said to pray in a closet and not prosthelytize."

You are completely missing the point of Jesus' comment.

His point was NOT to forbid people to pray in public.

Praying in public is not forbidden.

Jesus was condemning praying in public for praise and recognition.

It's all about the motive, not the deed (like a great many things that are talked about in the Bible)

American, I totally understand some of your hard feelings.

What is missing from your posts is humility.

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-26 02:48 PM | Reply

#47 | Posted by BillJohnson

And your point about all the TV preachers like Pat Roberts, Joel Olsteen, Falwell Jr, Rick Warren, and on and on and on the list goes, who make a big fuss publicly about their faith and then ask people for money?

#48 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-26 04:10 PM | Reply

American,

"And your point about all the TV preachers"

I don't think I made one.

There are phony preachers out there for sure.

Some sound pretty creepy and some seem quite sincere.

I wouldn't lump them all together.

#49 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-26 10:15 PM | Reply

I wouldn't lump them all together./i>

For sure, Bill. But they aren't supposed to be publicly displaying their sanctimonious selves for all the world to see. That's what Jesus said NOT to do.

#50 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-27 12:22 AM | Reply

Closing italics

#51 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-27 12:29 AM | Reply

- who make a big fuss publicly about their faith and then ask people for money?

That much I would agree with. Actually, I largely disagree with the modern evangelical movement. especially when it comes to political activism and the prosperity gospel.

That said, ..." And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15

I don't see that as meaning, go out and be an oppressive asshat.

#52 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-27 12:32 AM | Reply

#52 | Posted by SheepleSchism

On public displays of sanctimony:

"When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward.
Jesus was the leader of only one of many religious sects in Israel at the time. And only known there by some. What you posted was the only means of His tenets reaching others outside that sphere.

Long ago, everyone in the world had heard about Christianity except remote villages, which missionaries began to reach hundreds of years ago.

I'm glad we agree there is no need for the mass of TV preachers in the modern age.

Most importantly, Jesus said that actions were the key to reaching out to people. Attraction rather than promotion. Helping others, doing good deeds, not just spouting words. Today's evangelical preachers and their congregations would attract far more people by going out into the world they so often condemn and helping others whenever and wherever they see a need.

Faith Without Works Is Dead

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

James 2:14-19

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-27 01:04 AM | Reply

American,

"I'm glad we agree there is no need for the mass of TV preachers in the modern age."

You and I couldn't be any further from each other on that regard.

I think this "modern age" is needing to hear The Good News more than ever.

God saved me.

#54 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-27 11:41 AM | Reply

- I think this "modern age" is needing to hear The Good News more than ever.

I'd have to agree with AU here. The world needs to SEE the Good News, not be lectured or legislated.

My view of Fallwell Sr and Pat Robertsons political activism is: "If we can't convert them, we'll impose God's Law on them"

That's not Grace. That's legalism.

#55 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-27 12:03 PM | Reply

The world needs to SEE the Good News, not be lectured or legislated.

To SEE it one must be educated in it.

While I think we all agree the Fallwells and Robertsons are a little over the top.

The point is, people, communities respond to spiritual guidance in a positive way. It certainly shouldn't come from the "state".

#56 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-27 12:14 PM | Reply

Sheep,

You also mentioned something else earlier that merits some discussion.

The "prosperity gospel" is the great lie of our times being perpetuated by preachers and churches that are turning The Good News into a commodity they can sell.

#57 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-27 12:21 PM | Reply

We've gone from selling indulgences to selling prosperity.

Maybe Christianity is ready for another Reformation.

#58 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-27 12:27 PM | Reply

Sheep,

"Fallwell Sr and Pat Robertsons political activism"

Yea...there is a bit of conflict at times.

However, they have every right to discuss their political views on the air.

And the evangelical vote is still a significant voting bloc to not be taken lightly.

So long as Liberty University and the 700 Club are not run by the government, I see no problem.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-27 12:37 PM | Reply

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