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Thursday, May 23, 2019

The Trump administration will provide $16 billion in aid to farmers hit hardest by the yearlong trade war between the U.S. and China, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue said Thursday.

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"Agriculture has been among sectors hit hardest by the U.S. trade conflict with China. The announcement of new relief to farmers comes as fears are ratcheting up over an economic slump in the agricultural economy.

Collateral Damage Of The Trade War, Farmers Want Chinese Market Reopened
Trump's hard-line moves on trade with China have reduced U.S. income at a rate of around $1.4 billion a month, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. Analysis by the New York Fed estimates the new tariffs will cost the average U.S. household $831 annually.

Last year, the Trump administration provided $12 billion in aid to farmers to try to offset their losses from the trade war."

Sonny Boy Purdue announcing tax dollars to his company... just another fox that Trump has installed into America's hen house.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-23 01:09 PM | Reply

speaking of $16 billion

remember when the wingnuts convulsed in rage over the bailouts

and all that was not even a result of his own policy

those sure where the days

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-23 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I wonder how many farmers will reject this socialism.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-23 01:52 PM | Reply

Somehow I think it will be big agri bidness like Purdue's that gets most of this money... and corporate welfare is a Republican Tradition.

Small farmers, children, the poor, the elderly... they are on their own as far as rwingers are concerned.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-23 01:56 PM | Reply

And before anyone attributes this to liberal hysteria:

Kansas GOP Senator Asks Trump Admin to Resolve China Trade Dispute: Farmers Are on the ‘Verge of Financial Collapse'

www.newsweek.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Because of Tariffs we will be able to start paying down large amounts of the $21 Trillion in debt..." - Donald Trump

Cool, he's already -$16 billion closer to another "promise kept".

#6 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-05-23 02:50 PM | Reply

Farmers Are on the ‘Verge of Financial Collapse'

If that was true you would see land prices dropping.

#7 | Posted by bored at 2019-05-23 04:26 PM | Reply

7
land prices are not a good barometer of the farm economy. the data is weak as most land transfers within families.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-23 04:30 PM | Reply

Speaking of land transfers
There was piece on NPR about legacy farmers on the verge of losing the farms they have had in the family for generations

Not because of natural disaster or market forces -- -- but because of Trumps botched trade war

You people built that

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-23 06:21 PM | Reply

Remember "Cadillac Queens"? Will we call these farmers "Tractor Kings"?

#10 | Posted by zelkova at 2019-05-23 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Better use then many other expenditures of our tax dollars.

#11 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-05-23 08:26 PM | Reply

So, lets see.

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- gives us the largest tax increase in decades AND has to bail out farmers.

And people will still vote for him.

#12 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-23 09:14 PM | Reply

Better use then many other expenditures of our tax dollars.
#11 | Posted by MSgt

hmmm, pre trade war farmers sold product to china

now farmers don't sell product to china, we pay more for products from china and government has to give farmers money

yeah, that sure is a useful use of money

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-23 09:16 PM | Reply

Gee, it seems like just yesterday that the DR Left was crying over the poor farmers that were going bankrupt and killing themselves, ostensibly over the effects that the trade war was having on them. Oh, that's right, it was yesterday.

Yet today they are complaining about using tariff money to bail those same farmers out.

You guys really need to have a meeting to get your fauxrage all on the same page, it's really hard to keep up with the ever changing DRama.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-23 09:27 PM | Reply

The DR Outrage Committee is ready to respond to any crisis or non-crisis quickly, and in a full rage.

#15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-23 09:31 PM | Reply

"Better use then many other expenditures of our tax dollars."

Then you pay it.

It's a self-inflicted wound, and we're borrowing the money from China to pay for it.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-23 09:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Yet today they are complaining about using tariff money to bail those same farmers out."

Because of Trump, not because of market forces.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-23 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The DR Outrage Committee's response to *anything* the Trump administration does:

www.youtube.com

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-23 09:37 PM | Reply

#14

Are you actually pretending this is a good thing? That farmers are hurting, sales have cratered, and we're borrowing an extra $16 Billion from China?

You'll polish any Trump turd, won't you?

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-23 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#14

You'll polish any Trump turd, won't you?

#19 | Posted by Danforth

Trump fluffing has gotten so ridiculous right wingers buy hot dog buns to eat them in.

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-23 09:50 PM | Reply

"Are you actually pretending this is a goodthing? That farmers are hurting, sales have cratered, and we're borrowing an extra $16 Billion from China?"

Issues aren't what matters.

Trolling libs is what matters.

And trolling libs is always a good thing for RightOCenter. Always.

Why, yesterday, he told libs to pray for RBG.
Today, he said he likes RBG.

8/10, would get trolled again.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-23 09:54 PM | Reply

Are you actually pretending this is a good thing? That farmers are hurting, sales have cratered, and we're borrowing an extra $16 Billion from China?

The Director of the Retort DRama Department has spoken!

No, its not a good thing, but you have to choose your fauxrage du jour...should we help the farmers or not?

China admits that they hit the farmers first so that they would "turn on" Trump (Xi's words in his Long March speech, not mine), so do you support China continuing to rack up huge trade deficits and steal our technology or would you prefer fair trade? According to the CBO, we are on track to collect $72B in tariffs this year (and if you don't want to whine about having to pay for it, don't buy Made in China products...Vietnam and Indonesia are ramping up production.)

The Chinese aren't going to change if you ask them nicely and last time I checked, the tariffs had both bipartisan and union support.

So which is it Dannie?

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-23 10:33 PM | Reply

#21

Boo!

And yes, RBG is a pretty cool old broad.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-23 10:34 PM | Reply

"should we help the farmers or not?"

More to the point you're so desperately avoiding: should the farmers be in this predicament or not? And who do you blame for the current situation?

Oh, right: Anyone But Trump.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-23 10:37 PM | Reply

"No, its not a good thing, but you have to choose your fauxrage du jour...should we help the farmers or not?"

The way Trump plans to help the farmers is to have them sell off their farms for pennies on the dollar.

Trump is a real estate guy after all.

So, should we help the farmers or not?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-23 10:37 PM | Reply

#24

Not at all, Trump imposed the tariffs and is 100% responsible for the blowback from China, but there is a price to pay, as I said, its not like the Chinese were going to change without pressure. The next group to be hit will be the tech companies, and I am sure you will get your manties completely knotted over the fact that they will miss forecasted profits.

I know that you are having a really hard time answering simple questions today, but let me repeat this one on the off chance that you will nut up and answer it:

Should we help the farmers or not?

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-23 10:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25

Your strawman game is slipping.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-23 10:42 PM | Reply

"Should we help the farmers or not?"

I asked the same question and got no response...

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-23 10:42 PM | Reply

Yes, we should reallocate some of the tariff money to make up for lost sales to China.

I am sure both agree with that.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-23 10:43 PM | Reply

sure you both

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-23 10:44 PM | Reply

Since communist China was politically targeting their tariffs, I thought the same thing ROC. We have to be like them and be in it for the long haul. Surplus nations lose trade wars.

#31 | Posted by willowby at 2019-05-23 11:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd rather to agree to no tariffs than what you describe.

It would save a lot of money, face, and needless heartache.

But I guess it trolls the libs, so I've got that goin on for me which is nice.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-23 11:33 PM | Reply

"Should we help the farmers or not?"

We shouldn't be in this self-inflicted situation.

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-23 11:43 PM | Reply

- We shouldn't be in this self-inflicted situation.

We shouldn't be wasting landmass and waterways on spraying poison beans and selling them to China at any price.

We're killing the soil, the water, and the bees. No profit is worth the effort, so a loss certainly isn't.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-23 11:53 PM | Reply

"According to the CBO, we are on track to collect $72B in tariffs this year"

Not just based on the tariffs on China; that's ALL tariffs.

Besides, those are taxes Americans are paying. Now we're going to borrow an additional $16 Billion from China to pay farmers for not being able to sell to China.

And since you cited the CBO, their prediction is the tariffs will lower growth every year for the next ten:
www.reuters.com

But I'm sure if Obama had gotten us into this mess, you'd be defending him exactly the same way...right?

#35 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-24 12:10 AM | Reply

Better use then many other expenditures of our tax dollars.

#11 | POSTED BY MSGT

Yeah, let's create a problem then sink tax dollars into it to make sure we don't take an electoral loss.

Are you daft? And why is this any better than other social spending you crap all over?

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-24 12:50 AM | Reply

Yet today they are complaining about using tariff money to bail those same farmers out.
You guys really need to have a meeting to get your fauxrage all on the same page, it's really hard to keep up with the ever changing DRama.

#14 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Or you need to not be an idiot.

It's easy to see this is a crap cake with crap icing. A self-inflicted wound with a really expensive band aid.

#37 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-24 12:52 AM | Reply

"It's easy to see this is a crap cake with crap icing."

Hence the turd polishing on RoC's part.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-24 12:55 AM | Reply

Yes, we should reallocate some of the tariff money to make up for lost sales to China.
I am sure both agree with that.

#29 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

No.

Let those rugged individualists look to their goddess Ayn Rand for wisdom on how to navigate the consequences of their electoral self-dick punch.

Sure as hell don't want none of that ther soshulizm!

#39 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-24 12:56 AM | Reply

ROC

I'm sure glad you aren't MY attorney.

You don't seem to work much, but I'll bet you're charging clients by the 1/10th hour every chance you get.

#40 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-24 01:34 AM | Reply

We shouldn't be in this self-inflicted situation.

#33 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-05-23 11:43 PM

Thanks Clinton (and Bush and Obama)!

But we are, and unless you have any better ideas, this is the only way to rectify it,

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 01:41 AM | Reply

#40

Don't worry, you couldn't afford me,

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 01:42 AM | Reply

#37

You really don't ubderstand trade and how we got here, do you?

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 01:44 AM | Reply

Don't worry, you couldn't afford me,

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter

I certainly could. But I wouldn't hire you because you don't work. You're either the laziest attorney in L.A. or not in demand.

Right now, you should instead be - as you should have been all day - working on client's interests instead of blathering nonsense.

#44 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-24 01:47 AM | Reply

"Thanks Clinton (and Bush and Obama)!"

Trump is solely responsible for the tariffs, and RoC blames Clinton.

Quick, RoC...more polish on that turd!

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-24 01:53 AM | Reply

#45 The issue is far bigger and more complex than the tariffs alone.

As it pertains to tariffs they usually do more harm than good and, based on my reading of the Constitution, they require legislation. Smoot-Hawley wasn't an Executive order.

Did congress pass a law giving POTUS unilateral powers to impose tariffs?

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-24 02:00 AM | Reply

You really don't ubderstand trade and how we got here, do you?

#43 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Oh please, explain it to me.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-24 03:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thanks Clinton (and Bush and Obama)!

The "Blame anyone but Trump" is strong with this idiot.

Apparently Trump's lack of economic knowledge and tariff games are Clinton's fault.

Republicans, unable to take responsibility for anything. You can see it in every action they take.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-24 04:27 AM | Reply

I certainly could. But I wouldn't hire you because you don't work. You're either the laziest attorney in L.A. or not in demand.

It's called leverage, Unitard: I make it rain, keep my clients, partners and associates happy and busy, handle the big ticket items and wear a headset pretty much 10 hours a day while I multitask.

And trust me, you couldn't afford me.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 12:11 PM | Reply

"But we are, and unless you have any better ideas, this is the only way to rectify it,
#41 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

I have a better idea.
See #32 for details.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-24 12:18 PM | Reply

Trump is solely responsible for the tariffs, and RoC blames Clinton.

Apparently Trump's lack of economic knowledge and tariff games are Clinton's fault.

Oh please, explain it to me.

Ok, happy to give you the Trade for Dummies version:

When Clinton welcomed China into the WTO and pushed through the US China Trade Bill in 2000, it gave China "most favored nation" status on trade without any reciprocal opening of China's markets. In fact, China started further restricting access and requiring tech transfers for US companies that wanted access to their markets. It also became known during the Bush Administration that China was reverse engineering US products while simultaneously dumping products to encourage manufacturing switch to China. Nothing was done because the only tool was levying tariffs on offending products, which is politically unpopular.

During the Obama administration all these activities increased, market access to China was further restricted and it became increasingly clear that China was hacking into tech and defense contractor networks and literally stealing technology. Once again, nothing was done because the only tool was levying tariffs on offending products, which is politically unpopular.

We finally had enough, and Trump enacted tariffs, which labor, tech and manufacturers had been pressing for for at least a decade and given the trade imbalance ($100B US export to China, $500B China export to US), the timing couldn't be better. Already manufacturers are leaving China for Vietnam, Myanmar, Indonesia, Thailand, etc. and the Chinese are getting increasingly nervous about their economy, with the Party just announcing that growth will decline by at least 1% this year due to the Trade War.

As I said earlier, if you have any better ideas on how to get China to play fair other than tariffs, please let all the labor unions, economists and trade experts around the world know, I sure they would welcome your brilliant alternative.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#50

Do nothing is a plan that the past two administrations tried without success, it only made things worse...truly the "self inflicted wound" that Dannie inadvertently referenced (and yes, I know he was whining about the tariffs, not the Chinese trade imbalance or tech theft).

Try again.

#52 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 12:29 PM | Reply

Don't worry!

Trump has solved this by essentially firing most of the FDA economic analysts.

So no more bad farm news!

#53 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-05-24 01:27 PM | Reply

#53

Deflection noted.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 01:31 PM | Reply

#51 a situation created by short sighted corporate greed.

We shouldn't be paying for the correction to their mistake after we paid the price for their greed.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-24 01:31 PM | Reply

and wear a headset pretty much 10 hours a day while I multitask.

DR on one monitor and WoW on the other?

#56 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-24 01:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Better use then many other expenditures of our tax dollars.

#11 | POSTED BY MSGT

So, you think that just giving money to farmers for free is a "better use" for our tax dollars?

Republicans sure like their "free stuff", don't they.

#57 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-05-24 02:58 PM | Reply

Should we help the farmers or not?

#26 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Well... since Trump screwed them over, it seems only fair to give them free stuff. But I am a touchy-feely liberal that cares about actual people.

But, what are the long term consequences. The fact that they are getting hurt by tariffs means that there is too much supply for the (Trump induced) reduced demand. What needs to happen is happening... producers leaving the market.

But you are saying we need to distort the market with free money? Won't that distort the capitalistic forces that ensure that supply equals demand and thereby causing more pain in the future (by keeping supply and demand mismatched)? Are Republicans going to continue to give farmers free stuff forever?

Though, I am not surprised that the Republican is supporting the communist solution. Both Communists and Republicans have made it abundantly clear that they have almost zero understanding of actual economics.

#58 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-05-24 03:05 PM | Reply

Should we help the farmers or not?
#26 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

We should try to bring industry back to America. Use the money to subsidize industry coming back to the USA

#59 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-24 06:10 PM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

We've agreed on two things in one week.

#60 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-24 07:12 PM | Reply

#58

LOL, so Trump is responsible, in your mind, for everything wrong with business, trade, agriculture, etc.

Got it.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 07:59 PM | Reply

#59

Go to the other trade thread, Danni and I have been discussing that very issue, I don't want to replicate it here.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-24 08:00 PM | Reply

The party screaming and crying and warning about socialism are perfectly fine with socialism for trump's base of morons, but no one else.

Socialism for farmers is fine because farmers are mostly white males.

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-05-25 06:09 PM | Reply

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