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Wednesday, May 22, 2019

President Trump abruptly blew up a scheduled meeting with Democratic congressional leaders on Wednesday, lashing out at Speaker Nancy Pelosi for accusing him of a cover-up and declaring that he could not work with them until they stopped investigating him.

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Mr. Schumer expressed shock at the outcome. "What happened in the White House would make your jaw drop," he said.

He suggested that the real reason Mr. Trump blew up the meeting was that he had not come up with a way to pay for such an enormous spending package and therefore was looking for other excuses. He said it did not make sense that investigations would cause such an eruption because they had met late last month to discuss infrastructure.

"Hello! There were investigations going on three weeks ago when we met, and he still met with us," Mr. Schumer said. "But now, when he was forced to say how he would pay for it, he ran away. And he came up with this preplanned excuse."

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-22 02:19 PM | Reply

Banner,

When I clicked the link to read the article I hit a paywall.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 02:22 PM | Reply

It's the NYT, what do you expect?

Open up an incognito window and read the article (unless they've disabled that too).

#3 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-05-22 02:26 PM | Reply

"he had not come up with a way to pay for such an enormous spending package..."

When forced, he'll say the Mexicans are going to pay for it.

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 02:29 PM | Reply

Does Nancy pray to the same gargoyle as Zed? And what day of the week is Chuckie Schumer not shocked?

#5 | Posted by Spork at 2019-05-22 02:32 PM | Reply

#2 Here is another: www.startribune.com

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-22 02:43 PM | Reply

Does Nancy pray to the same gargoyle as Zed?

#5 | Posted by Spork at 2019-05-22 02:32 PM | Reply

A Trump supporter making a joke about gargoyles.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-22 02:44 PM | Reply

Trump throws fits when he's not treated like he things he deserves. That is, like God. Nice that he always, always shows what's hurting him.

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-22 02:45 PM | Reply

He suggested that the real reason Mr. Trump blew up the meeting was that he had not come up with a way to pay for such an enormous spending package and therefore was looking for other excuses.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at

Close, but not quite. This was predicted. Donald pulls the rug out for it's own sake.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-22 02:47 PM | Reply

Your gargoyle keeps turning a deaf ear to your prayers, Zed. Trump is still president, as he will be tomorrow. Have you tried animal sacrifices yet? I hope your dog runs away when you get that look on your face.

#10 | Posted by Spork at 2019-05-22 02:49 PM | Reply

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Impeach Illegitimate President Bucket of ----

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-22 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

From a different source:

High drama in the Cabinet room," the Illinois Democrat said. "We were all invited, Democratic leaders, for the follow-up meeting on infrastructure, everyone showed up, sat in their chairs, the president walked in the room and announced he was not going to go forward with the meeting, he was canceling it."

Here is the biggest problem I have with this: Simple courtesy.

I am sure that people like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, et al have very busy schedules and that coordinating their schedules to all be in the same place at the same time takes some doing. To have them go through all of that and then stand them up like this is a dick move. That they all made arrangements to show up to the meeting to discuss what is supposedly a shared interest suggests operating in good faith on their part.

It matters how you treat people, Mr. President. How can you expect these Democrats to work with you in the future if you treat them like this?

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 02:53 PM | Reply

#6 Thanks, Bruce.

I went ahead and found a reporting on this on my own. Nevertheless, I do appreciate you taking the effort to find a source that I don't have to pay for.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 02:54 PM | Reply

It matters how you treat people, Mr. President. How can you expect these Democrats to work with you in the future if you treat them like this?

#12 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He doesnt expect them to work with him in the future. He will use that later against them without admitting it is his fault they wont. My dad is already posting on social media today that this is another win for Trump. They are a brain washed cult and none of this changes a thing.

#14 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2019-05-22 02:57 PM | Reply

"It matters how you treat people, Mr. President. How can you expect these Democrats to work with you in the future if you treat them like this?"

You just don't understand how the art of the deal works!

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-22 03:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I understand the theatrics Trump was trying to create, Idaho.

I just think it's wrong. It's more reality TV than actual governance.

Trump is such a narcissist that I've got to believe he cares about creating a legacy for himself.

So far he's accomplished very little in terms of any kind of permanence.

The GOP (mostly due to Trump IMO) squandered the first 2 years of his presidency from a legislative standpoint when they had a chance to really push an agenda given the political power they held.

Fat chance of that now without some help from Democrats and why would they bother when this is how he treats them?

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 03:03 PM | Reply

"Trump is such a narcissist that I've got to believe he cares about creating a legacy for himself.
So far he's accomplished very little in terms of any kind of permanence."

You are overlooking the fact that because Trump is such a narcissists, he believes his own hype and already thinks he is one of the greatest presidents who ever lived.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump is still president, as he will be tomorrow.

#10 | Posted by Spork at 2019-05-22

You guys get strange pleasure in making statements like this. Yes, of course Trump is president and will be tomorrow.

But not forever and, God willing, not even that much longer.

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-22 03:08 PM | Reply

Jake Sherman @JakeSherman

It really didn't matter what pelosi said this morning. The White House was saying before today that they weren't going to present a detailed infrastructure plan, they wanted to cut $1 trillion in spending. Pelosis comment was almost coincidental.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 03:09 PM | Reply

"I knew the president was not serious about infrastructure and would find a way out," Pelosi quipped as the president stormed out, according to a Democratic aide.

www.nbcnews.com

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 03:09 PM | Reply

This is petulant nonsense from Donnie Little Hands, by throwing a tantrum he is destroying his chance at fulfilling one of his signature campaign promises.

SMFH

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-22 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The whole scene was, of course, set up by Illegitimate President Bucket of ----. This was some sort of power trip move on his part. He seems to be happy getting the Rose Garden moment with the stats and -----. Whatever, nothing surprising. Just another embarrassment for our country.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-22 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's even more perplexing because an infrastructure plan has bipartisan support. They only have to decide who pays. They could do this, but he walked out and will only talk about nonsense.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-22 04:04 PM | Reply

They could do this, but he walked out and will only talk about nonsense.

Total M.O. of a NYC Real Estate Developer. He thinks that by walking out he will get a better deal but that isn't how it works inside the Beltway.

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-22 04:46 PM | Reply

Good for Trump ...

It really didn't matter what pelosi said this morning. - JakeSherman

Yes it did, it added to the fire.

#21 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Oh please ....

This "investigation" thing has gone on long enough ... you wanna theatrics just look across the aisle, now they want to get things done...

SMFH.

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-22 05:09 PM | Reply

It's even more perplexing because an infrastructure plan has bipartisan support. They only have to decide who pays.

All the more reason

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-22 05:09 PM | Reply

He thinks that by walking out he will get a better deal but that isn't how it works inside the Beltway.

Perhaps, but maybe it should ...

#27 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-22 05:10 PM | Reply

Trump is unprofessional, and even less presidential

Let's not forget

"Conservatives" built this --------

#28 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-22 05:30 PM | Reply

Hey look

The DR fake "lawyer" is pretending to know something about NYC developers.

Color me surprised

#29 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-22 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This "investigation" thing has gone on long enough ... "

Pfft. The investigations are just beginning.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"All the more reason"

Andrea's afraid he might have to pay taxes on his Trust Fund. Poor baby.

Or rich baby.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 05:36 PM | Reply

Perhaps, but maybe it should ...
#27 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Or maybe it shouldn't.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-22 05:40 PM | Reply

Apparently mattress thinks the founders got it all wrong

This fool would be perfectly fine with a trump dictatorship.

Feel free to prove me wrong

#33 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-22 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This fool would be perfectly fine with a trump dictatorship.

#33 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-22 05:47

At the bottom of all political disputes these last two years is this statement.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-22 05:53 PM | Reply

Pfft. The investigations are just beginning.

#30 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

And about one year from today, you'll unwrap your nothing burger live on CNN.

After a week of heavy tears and teeth gnashing (except Zed, who will just angrily rub his gums together)

The realization of Trumps 2020 impending landslide will sink in.

Thanks to Dems all-in on crimes they have zero evidence for. Just like the Mueller report so much hope was pinned on.

#35 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-22 06:04 PM | Reply

#35 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Interesting. Obstruction of justice is no longer a crime for SHEEP.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-22 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

the interesting part about this is that the potus has effectively shut down legislation until all investigations into him stop. america is hostage to the orange orangutan.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-22 06:09 PM | Reply

- Obstruction of justice

I'm telling you. ain't going to happen.

Dems should have focused on policy, submitting legislation, wowing the country with ideas and a way forward.

But they haven't. Progressives have ideas, but haven't shown how to pay for it.

But the Dms and their media are --------- it as we speak. Biden is in the bag. if he doesn't open his mouth too much.

#38 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-22 06:12 PM | Reply

- has effectively shut down legislation

What does the executive branch legislate exactly? be specific.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-22 06:14 PM | Reply

Dems should have focused on policy, submitting legislation, wowing the country with ideas and a way forward.

Won't work. Without criminal wrong doing on part of Trump being made public, he will be reelected. There is no Bill Clinton coming under the radar that will oust the sitting incumbent based on policy or legislation ideas.

Biden is in the bag. if he doesn't open his mouth too much.
#38 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

My point exactly. Dems have not learned their lesson: from Dole, to Kerry, to McCain, to Hillary, the "next in line" candidate will lose ESPECIALLY when going up against an incumbent.

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-22 06:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"you'll unwrap your nothing burger live on CNN."

Aren't you a special troll? Never give up the trolling no matter how many times the Democrats prove you wrong(#bluewave2018).

Not sure where I will put it all Comrade.

I am so stuffed up with Blimpy's Nothingburgers already. And all this winning is making me dizzy!! Trump has lost over 60 court cases in the last 2 years.

Donnnie Demento is going down. He cannot stop the pain train he has summoned. And when he does he is going down hard.

Turns out however bad we thought Humpy Trumpy was.

He is way worse.

10,000 times worse.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-22 06:50 PM | Reply

- The realization of Trumps 2020 impending landslide will sink in.

#35 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESHART

Yeah! That prediction is right up there with his memorable Death of the Blue Wave!

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-22 07:04 PM | Reply

Trump just has the spending so high and revenues so low hits pockets are empty.

We're just a bigger version of an Atlantic City Casino.

#43 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-22 07:22 PM | Reply

"Does Nancy pray to the same gargoyle as Zed?"

Pelosi is quietly devout.

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2019-05-22 07:36 PM | Reply

It's funny, the pattern I notice in the less cultish Trump supporters. They constanly decry each individual case of incompetance or offense, yet fail to connect the dots to see what the big Trump picture truly is.

#45 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-05-22 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Much like the complex trade negotiations with China, Trump thinks he can bluster his way through a Trillion dollar spending negotiation like he's trying to get a loan from a 26 year old banker for his knockoff vodka company.

Trump is a fake businessman, and anyone who respects his "negotiating skills" is a pathetic rube.

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-22 07:57 PM | Reply

Rep. Katie Hill @RepKatieHill

I was sent here to fight for accountability and the Commander in Chief can't even put our ROADS over covering his own ass.

We could be progressing on the issues we all agree on, but Trump is holding the cost of your insulin and the quality of your water hostage. Don't forget it.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Drug prices and water quality just became issues when Trump took office?

Dishonest Gal.

#48 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-22 11:18 PM | Reply

#48 Take it up with Rep. Hill, whose tweet I posted:

"Congresswoman serving the Antelope, Simi & Santa Clarita Valleys in #CA25. But call me Katie. Let's get to work.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 11:32 PM | Reply

Yeah. YOU posted it. For a reason.

Dishonesty

#50 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-22 11:34 PM | Reply

#48 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Or homelessness ... reminds me of Bush I..... these liberals never change same stuff different day.

#50 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

This is what Gal does, post other peoples mistakes but takes no blame ...

#51 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-22 11:41 PM | Reply

Drug prices and water quality just became issues when Trump took office?

No. But every administration that fails to fix it is accountable, and those that actively work against improving our healthcare system are worse. But you rarely think beyond whataboutism.

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-22 11:46 PM | Reply

"Yeah. YOU posted it. For a reason.
Dishonesty"

I posted it to point out that Trump is a narcissist who can't compartmentalize. Or doesn't want to.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 11:49 PM | Reply

"Drug prices and water quality just became issues when Trump took office?
Dishonest Gal."

Regardless of what happened or didn't happen in the past, we can only fix the problems of today, today. Trump campaigned on making America great again today. He said he alone could fix all the stuff others failed to fix.

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Drug prices and water quality just became issues when Trump took office?
Dishonest Gal."

PS More whataboutism from Sheeple. Predictable.

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 11:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This is what Gal does, post other peoples mistakes but takes no blame ..."

As opposed to you who takes all the credit?:

My only hope is Beto can resurrect his campaign, my attacks really knocked him out of contention...
Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-22 10:07 AM

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 12:01 AM | Reply

Perspective:

Gregory Korte @gregorykorte Senior national correspondent, @USATODAY

Even during the Watergate hearings, the 93rd Congress passed and Nixon signed:

-- Federal-Aid Highway Act
-- Rehabilitation Act of 1973
-- Endangered Species Act
-- Budget Act of 1974
-- War Powers Resolution (over Nixon's veto)

All these laws still exist in some form today.

And if you extend this to bills drafted under Nixon but signed by Ford in late 1974 or early 1975, you get:

-- Federal Educational Right to Privacy Act
-- Trade Act of 1974
-- Safe Drinking Water Act
-- Privacy Act of 1974
-- Hazardous Materials Transportation Act.

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 12:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Reagan and Clinton continued working with the opposition and got bills passed when they were at low ebbs in popularity. Trump has not, and he has never broken 50% in any credible poll, stuck at around 40% most of his presidency.

#58 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-23 12:34 AM | Reply

This is petulant nonsense from Donnie Little Hands, by throwing a tantrum he is destroying his chance at fulfilling one of his signature campaign promises.
SMFH

#21 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-05-22 03:12 PM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 2

Fat Nixon doesn't have the money to do this because of his giveaway to the 1%. Mulvaney told him to find a way to weasel out of it. He started with demanding the House approve his NAFTA before he would agree to anything. When that didn't work, he found a reason to be outraged over.

He likes to talk about how he decided this at the spur of the moment, but you don't have preprinted poster boards for a spur of the moment temper tantrum.

#59 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-23 07:30 AM | Reply

Distracting the Dems with one hand and getting something important done with the other hand at the same time is classic Trump. It's good that Pelosi & Shumer can't grasp that or they wouldn't swing at the softballs!

Besides, I'm not sure anyone could stand more than 3 minutes in a room with Dumb & Dumber...

#60 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2019-05-23 07:50 AM | Reply

Distracting the Dems with one hand and getting something important done with the other hand at the same time is classic Trump

#60 | Posted by Gr8Music at 201

Yeah, Man. He so smart.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 08:13 AM | Reply

Donald Trump is just recognizing the obvious. He doesn't have time to govern. All his resources are going to be devoted to keeping his ass out of jail, and golfing.

#62 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 08:14 AM | Reply

Distracting the Dems with one hand and getting something important done with the other hand at the same time is classic Trump.

Did the bloated orange dirtbag kill some more migrant toddlers while distracting the Dems?

#63 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-05-23 08:16 AM | Reply

Distracting the Dems with one hand and getting something important done with the other hand at the same time is classic Trump.

Yeah bro! He's just playing 4D chess!

What "important thing" did he get done, exactly?

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-23 08:26 AM | Reply

Smart move by Trump - at this pace, the 2020 list of accomplishments will consist entirely of an unsuccessful Russian collusion probe. If you are a working American - are you impressed by what the Dems have accomplished? I think most will come to understand that the less the government actual does, the better off the people are economically. The Dems are shooting themselves in the foot because their entire message about how people need a massive expansion of government is undercut by how much better they are now than 4 years ago. Yes, an infrastructure spending bill would be better than the other crap they would blow the money on - but if the money is incremental and not coming from cuts in other areas - we can't afford it.

#65 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-23 09:23 AM | Reply

The most damning parts of this are:

He called the meeting himself.

He set up the collusion podium before the meeting started.

He is holding legislation hostage until the Justice system works the way he wants.

#66 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-23 09:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#65 | Posted by iragoldberg

hello, IRASHEEP

That's a lot of high-sounding words to excuse Donald's hissy fit.

Yesterday was Donald doing the equivalent of running up to his room and slamming the door behind him.

#67 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 09:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yesterday was Donald doing the equivalent of running up to his room and slamming the door behind him.
#67 | POSTED BY ZED "

That is what you do on here every day - I would have thought you viewed that as a power move. How will we ever survive without the Dems legislating for 2 years? /sarcasm

#68 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-23 09:39 AM | Reply

More proof that Trump is a very stable genius:

Sneaky Photo Captures Trump Handwritten Notes Saying Dems Have ‘No Achomlishments'

Anyone who watched Donald Trump's bizarre Rose Garden news conference Wednesday might be surprised to learn that he had prepared notes. But a sneaky photograph from The Washington Post's Jabin Botsford caught handwritten bullet points in black Sharpie ink listing the topics the president wanted to cover. The notes appear to complain that "[Democrats] want to impeach me over acts that they did" and say: "Dems have no achomlishments." Trump announced to news conference to say he will no longer work with Democrats while they pursue the "investigation track."

www.thedailybeast.com

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:05 AM | Reply

You can see Trump's notes with the statement "Dems have no achomlishments." on it here:

A Trump Twitter-style diatribe -- live from the Rose Garden

www.washingtonpost.com

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:08 AM | Reply

"[Democrats] want to impeach me over acts that they did"

- True

and say: "Dems have no accomplishments."

- True

Seems reality has a Trumpian bias.

#71 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-23 10:09 AM | Reply

FTFY:

Smart move by Trump - at this pace, the 2020 list of achomlishments will consist entirely of an unsuccessful Russian collusion probe.

:-)

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:10 AM | Reply

"Smart move by Trump - at this pace, the 2020 list of achomlishments will consist entirely of an unsuccessful Russian collusion probe.
:-)
#72 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY"

Well, that and THE GREATEST ECONOMY WE HAVE ON RECORD. Yeah, I think Trump will have the advantage when you compare that to the sole Dem accomplishment of learning what a garbage disposal is.

#73 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-23 10:12 AM | Reply

"Well, that and THE GREATEST ECONOMY WE HAVE ON RECORD."

Sure, if you don't mind that it's all being done the Trumpian way--on credit:

Following Trump tax cut, federal budget deficit up 77 percent so far this budget year

www.usatoday.com

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

THE GREATEST ECONOMY WE HAVE ON RECORD

What specific things has Trump done to deserve credit for that?

#75 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-23 10:18 AM | Reply

But Trump doesn't' care about the deficit because by the time the effects of his bankrupting the country--he did promise to do for the US what he'd done for himself after all--he won't be in power:

Trump on Coming Debt Crisis: ‘I Won't Be Here' When It Blows Up'

The president thinks the balancing of the nation's books is going to, ultimately, be a future president's problem.

www.thedailybeast.com

#76 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:19 AM | Reply

"Sure, if you don't mind that it's all being done the Trumpian way--on credit:"

You may have missed it, but that is way it has been done for the last 60 years barring the Clinton/Ginrich budgets which actually tried to control spending while benefiting from the tech boom. So, I don't think that can be held against him when Barry accumulated $1T in debt on average for every year of his reign of terror. Thus far, Trump is has added $2T - but closer to $1.4T if you did a true apples to apples to Obama where the big adjustment needed for the much higher interest payments Trump is burdened with - both because the Debt increased to $20T under Obama AND we actually have a non-Zero interest rate that need to be paid. So, even with the massive tax cut, Trump is much more fiscally responsible than Obama.

#77 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-23 10:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Baby orange sloth says, "wa wa, if you won't stop the investigation I'm going on strike and won't sign anything". Not that he ever had an infrastructure project of any kind planned let alone documented. The orange doesn't do documents only signing statements in front of a camera.

#78 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-23 10:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

U.S. Budget Deficit Reaches Higher Level Under Trump Than at Any Point in Obama's Second Term

Increased spending in 2018 bumped the deficit up 17 percent to $779 billion in fiscal year 2018, largely due to an increase in spending and a decrease in corporate tax revenue because of the Republican tax cuts late last year. The deficit is now on track to surpass $1 trillion before 2020.

www.newsweek.com

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

Unlike the trillion dollar budget deficits that occurred during the Obama administration that were temporary and largely the result of the Great Recession, the Trump deficits that will soon reach and exceed $1 trillion are permanent and will only get worse in the years ahead.

The Trump deficits are the result of changes in federal spending and revenue that will continue to be in place until some president and Congress decide to reverse them, that is, to increase taxes and make cuts to popular programs.

www.usatoday.com

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:45 AM | Reply

Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin

LOL yeah its Trumps fault .....

Psycho ......

#81 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 10:46 AM | Reply

"Unlike the trillion dollar budget deficits that occurred during the Obama administration that were temporary "

No, they weren't. He averaged over $1T/year in deficit spending. It was not trending down - look at 2013-2014, it ballooned for no reason other than Obama incompetence.

"and largely the result of the Great Recession, the Trump deficits that will soon reach and exceed $1 trillion are permanent and will only get worse in the years ahead."

No, the recession was the excuse, massive government welfare spending was the plan regardless what the underlying economy was doing.

"The Trump deficits are the result of changes in federal spending"

The spending was largely driven by the ever growing expansion of the Democrat programs held in check by Trump not launching any new wars (like Obama) and having to pay for the debt load driven up by Obama - again, at non-Zero interest rates. This is key. Take interest rates back down to Obama levels and the deficit decreases substantially. Take back SSDI spending back to pre-Obama levels and the deficit decreases drastically. By every measure actually under Trump controls, the deficit is much better than under Obama.

#82 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-23 10:52 AM | Reply

What specific things has Trump done to deserve credit for that?
#75 | POSTED BY JOE

Eliminated regulations .... regulations aren't good or bad, its the actual regulation that could be bad.
reason.com

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act ended the long-time federal subsidy of high state and local taxes (SALT) by capping the deduction at $10,000 per filing household. And while most Americans received a tax cut, some similarly situated taxpayers received more or less of a tax cut depending on whether they lived in high-tax states like California or New York, or low-tax state like Texas or Florida.

Since all things being equal, investment capital follows returns, it stands to reason that the tax law's change in the treatment of SALT might show up in the state level employment reports. In fact it did, almost immediately, as job-creating resources shifted towards lower-tax jurisdictions.
www.forbes.com

#83 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 10:52 AM | Reply

"Well, that and THE GREATEST ECONOMY WE HAVE ON RECORD."

Thanks Obama!!

"Trump trillion-dollar-plus deficits are putting America on a path to fiscal ruin"

LOL yeah its Trumps fault .....

Psycho ......

#81 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

If the economy is all Trumpy's doing so is everything else.

Ding Bat. 🤪

#84 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-23 10:53 AM | Reply

#78 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-05-23 10:29 AM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Liar ..
www.whitehouse.gov

#85 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 10:53 AM | Reply

#84 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Not at all, I mentioned two things he did that helped the economy ...

Its the people doing the work, taking the risk, making things happen.

#86 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 10:54 AM | Reply

--until some president and Congress decide to reverse them, that is, to increase taxes and make cuts to popular programs.

Democrats make spending cuts? Hahahaha. They have tens of trillions worth of new spending programs on their wish list.

#87 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-23 10:55 AM | Reply

How Much Higher are Trump's Budget Deficits than Obama's?

Trump vowed to cut the deficit when running for president in 2016, regularly bashing Barack Obama's economic policies that saw the shortfall swell to well above $1 trillion during his time in office. He even promised to wipe out the national debt, though offered no suggestion of how that might be achieved.

The highest ever deficit figure recorded during Obama's presidency was around $1.55 trillion in 2009, when the government responded to the 2008 financial crash with a huge stimulus package to kickstart an economic recovery.

The Obama administration ran a deficit above $1 trillion for the next three years. By the time the president left office, the deficit sat at $666 billion. The lowest figure achieved during his presidency was $438 billion in 2015.

www.newsweek.com

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#88 From the same link:

Interest payments on the national debt -- currently sitting above $20 trillion -- have increased by $50 billion so far this year. Half of this is down to increased payments on securities to guard against inflation, while the rest reflects rising interest rates and the growing debt total.

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#89 And this:

Trump seems to have lost interest in the deficit as soon as he won the presidency. Once the deficit crosses the $1 trillion mark again, the Trump administration expects it to stay there for three years.

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 11:03 AM | Reply

How Much Higher are Trump's Budget Deficits than Obama's?

Who cares? The only people affected by this will be the ones in the future we screw over, its clear no one really cares except for political pot shots....

Interest payments on the national debt -- currently sitting above $20 trillion -- have increased by $50 billion so far this year. Half of this is down to increased payments on securities to guard against inflation, while the rest reflects rising interest rates and the growing debt total.

So what ?

Back when we started borrowing people warned the end will come through interest payments, why do you think "interest rates" were so low under Obama?

That number continues to climb, it has too, but so what?

Now you are going to complain about the last guy holding the rope?

Psycho ....

#91 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:07 AM | Reply

Democrats make spending cuts? Hahahaha. They have tens of trillions worth of new spending programs on their wish list.
#87 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

LOL spending cuts is a euphemism for a lower percentage of growth.....

#92 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:08 AM | Reply

Psycho ....
#91 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:07 AM

Psycho ......
Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 10:46 AM

#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 11:10 AM | Reply

That is what you do on here every day

#68 | Posted by iragoldberg at

Sure, my man. But I never do it on the job.

#94 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:12 AM | Reply

#93 Ad hominem Andy?

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-23 11:13 AM | Reply

It would be a revolution that at any point Trumpists would admit that Donald often doesn't act like much of a man.

#96 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:16 AM | Reply

I would say Trump inviting the witless Dems to meet is like the teenager finally getting to sit at the table during Thanksgiving rather than a card table in the corner. Trump dangled that and then snatched it away. It was a power move.

#97 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-23 11:20 AM | Reply

AMac's brilliance is reflected in her statement."regulations aren't good or bad, it's the actual regulations which could be bad". LMAO

Whatever trivial tax cuts the middle class received will soon expire. There is no indication whatsoever of a surge in investment nationally, although AMac is correct that there are regional variations. California is booming. Trump's stated objective of bringing manufacturing jobs back to the USA is spot on. But there is no indication that the globalization agenda has actually changed or that the orange sloth has a plan which can effect that change. Trump does sound bites and kills plans. He does golf, Fox and KFC, in that order.

#98 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-23 11:21 AM | Reply

#95 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Not ad'homenin at all, I list the facts of why that thinking is wrong ... that's the difference, I don't just attack the source, or you.

Literally you all "trump haters" have become psycho, you've lost any and all sense of reality. You are so focused, hyper-focused on anything Trump you've lost any sense of perspective.

#99 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--California is booming

Especially in the number of homeless, the poor, filthy streets, unaffordable housing, etc.

#100 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-23 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump dangled that and then snatched it away. It was a power move.

#97 | Posted by iragoldberg

Everyone is in awe of his power.

At my house, awe led to giggling fits.

#101 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:32 AM | Reply

Donald Trump isn't trying to bait anyone to impeach him. He's terrified of it and shaking in his boots.

#102 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:32 AM | Reply

AMac's brilliance is reflected in her statement."regulations aren't good or bad, it's the actual regulations which could be bad". LMAO

It is brilliant its a dialectic of sorts. Not understanding it speaks volumes about comprehension of the complexity of the universe, struggling with words, and missing concepts.

There is no indication whatsoever of a surge in investment nationally, although AMac is correct that there are regional variations.

Takes time, things take time ...

California is booming.

It is booming and busting at the same time, its Elysium. Homelessness is booming. Home sales are flat....

But there is no indication that the globalization agenda has actually changed or that the orange sloth has a plan which can effect that change.

Agreed, but of all those that ran in 2016, Trump is only one that got this. Every single Politican was a BorderDenier, FreeTradeAdvocate.

Trump does sound bites and kills plans. He does golf, Fox and KFC, in that order.

Oh please ...

#103 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:33 AM | Reply

You are so focused, hyper-focused on anything Trump you've lost any sense of perspective.

#99 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:25 AM

Another argument not to have the man in office.

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:34 AM | Reply

Donald Trump isn't trying to bait anyone to impeach him. He's terrified of it and shaking in his boots.
#102 | POSTED BY ZED

Gal here you go ..

Is this the statement of a stable individual?

#105 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:35 AM | Reply

"Trump does sound bites and kills plans. He does golf, Fox and KFC, in that order".

Pretty much.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:35 AM | Reply

Another argument not to have the man in office.
#104 | POSTED BY ZED

Wait for it ... He doubled down...

#107 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:36 AM | Reply

Is this the statement of a stable individual?

#105 | Posted by AndreaMackris at

Is Trump's behavior that of a confident man?

He's circling wagons so hard he must be dizzy.

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:36 AM | Reply

Donald Trump no longer wants to interact with government.

He's frightened witless, and reacts by drawing the blanket over his own head.

#109 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-23 11:38 AM | Reply

Amac,
Every policy invites a legal fight in the USA from Corporate America. This persistent resustance leads to ever more complicated laws, necessary for effective enforcement. In the EU conservatives and liberals cooperate to implement the laws, on safety, pollution, free trade...

In Sweden mine safety policy is a small paperback and a steller track record far better than the USA. In the USA the rules fill a bookshelf and change continually because Corporations search for loopholes continuously. They will not cooperate willingly.

#110 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-23 12:06 PM | Reply

Here is the biggest problem I have with this: Simple courtesy.
I am sure that people like Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, et al have very busy schedules and that coordinating their schedules to all be in the same place at the same time takes some doing. To have them go through all of that and then stand them up like this is a dick move. That they all made arrangements to show up to the meeting to discuss what is supposedly a shared interest suggests operating in good faith on their part.
It matters how you treat people, Mr. President. How can you expect these Democrats to work with you in the future if you treat them like this?

#12 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-05-22 02:53 PM | FLAG:

First, Pelosi, Schumer and Durbin have busy Schedules? What, fundraising and trying to get Trump impeached? It's not like they are writing legislation like they are supposed to. And common curtesy? Sure calling the President a traitor for two and a half years and then being proven wrong after the Mueller report comes out but still calling him a traitor? Would you want to work with these lazy SOBs?

#111 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-05-23 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-05-22 02:53 PM | FLAG: Did you catch where pelosi publicly attacked President Trump an hour before the meeting so why would he want to sit down and work with them after that?

#112 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-05-23 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nice!

Thread on which Gal blatantly bashes Buffoons for Trump on the Budget.

GW crashed the economy by cutting taxes for the rich and not paying for that or a war... Trump is going to do the same, only yuuger!

#113 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-23 12:45 PM | Reply

#112 maybe he could try and man-up instead of being a little -----.??? Ever have that kind of moment MSgt? When you do the job of the people because that's what you've been hired to do? Respect the process because it's outlined in the constitution?

#114 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-23 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Imagine if Hillary had walked out like this.

The tirade of 'hysterics,' 'mascara running,' 'that time of the month' etc...

#115 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-05-23 01:14 PM | Reply

Eliminated regulations .... regulations aren't good or bad, its the actual regulation that could be bad.

What regulations did he eliminate and how, specifically, did that help the economy?

#116 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-23 01:28 PM | Reply

#112 maybe he could try and man-up instead of being a little -----.??? Ever have that kind of moment MSgt? When you do the job of the people because that's what you've been hired to do? Respect the process because it's outlined in the constitution?

#114 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-05-23 12:46 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

"When you do the job of the people because that's what you've been hired to do?"?????????? He has been getting things done, tell me one thing Pelosi, Schumer and Durbin have done since he has been in office other than trying to get him out of office. Just one. You can Google until your arm breaks off and won't find anything. So saying he needs to man up and and stop acting like a bitch and work with these three lazy POSs who only want him gone so they can achieve power. They don't want to work with him anyway, they want him to fail so meeting with them is useless anyway.

#117 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-05-23 02:59 PM | Reply

Trump supporters are like those annoying parents who celebrate whenever their toddler takes a stinking dump in one of those little plastic toilets.

"Oh, look how precious he is! He DID something!"

#118 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-05-23 03:24 PM | Reply

#112 maybe he could try and man-up instead of being a little -----.??? Ever have that kind of moment MSgt? When you do the job of the people because that's what you've been hired to do? Respect the process because it's outlined in the constitution?
#114 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-05-23 12:46 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1
"When you do the job of the people because that's what you've been hired to do?"?????????? He has been getting things done, tell me one thing Pelosi, Schumer and Durbin have done since he has been in office other than trying to get him out of office. Just one. You can Google until your arm breaks off and won't find anything.
#117 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

The House under Pelosi has passed about 500 bills since January.

Schumer can't do much since he doesn't control the Senate. And McConnell will not let bills come up for a vote.

So...happy now?

#119 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-05-23 03:54 PM | Reply

So...happy now?

I am.

#120 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-23 03:55 PM | Reply

1) The economy is driven by spending. The economy doesn't care who does the spending or where the money came from.

2) profit is not required for the success of a company. Growth is. profit prevents growth. Money spent growing the company is not profit. Profit leaves the company and does not provide anything in return.

there are 3 equal components to capitalism producers, consumers, and labor. The economy works best when money flows. The producers pay labor to make stuff. The consumers buy stuff at the market the market refills its shelves from the producers. When the producers decided labor did not deserve the flow of cash and were to be minimized ( you have all heard the words; Lean; efficient; productive) that mean less pay for more work the wheel of the economy should have stopped. Instead deregulation brought us easy loans and credit. Labor did not have wages to support the economy so they used credit. Once credit reaches a tipping point and the balance comes due there will be another crisis and the people affected the most will be vilified while the people responsible will get bonuses. After all that's what happened the last several bubbles

#121 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-05-23 04:39 PM | Reply

"Who cares? The only people affected by this will be the ones in the future we screw over, its clear no one really cares except for political pot shots...."

Cowardly Copout.

Obviously not you and not the Republicans who used it as cudgel to hammer Obama and hammer liberal programs such as planned parenthood (oh how soon they forget!!!) and hamstring any progressive program Democrats tried to fund.

#122 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-23 04:47 PM | Reply

"... for every year of his [Obama's] reign of terror.
#77 | POSTED BY IRAGOLDBERG AT 2019-05-23 10:28 AM

Once a person reads that "jumped the shark" phrase, nothing you ever write will be taken seriously. Slink off now.

#123 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-05-23 04:53 PM | Reply

Trump is works overtime to hide things. He'd have handed over everything if he had nothing to hide.

An innocent man doesn't act like this.

He's a (Access Hollywood thing he grabs because he's a 'celebrity')!

#124 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-23 09:45 PM | Reply

I'll believe corporations are people when they put one in a detention center for coming across the border

#125 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-05-24 12:15 AM | Reply

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