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Tuesday, May 21, 2019

An internal Education Department watchdog said Monday that Secretary Betsy DeVos has sometimes used personal email accounts for government business and did not always save the messages properly.

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When she creates a server outside of the U.S. government controls, installs it in a location the government doesnt know about, passes classified emails through it with SECRET across the message, and when questioned about it, she deletes thousands of emails(why?), destroys servers before they can be examined, then please STFU with the whataboutism in this case.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2019-05-21 12:01 PM | Reply

whataboutism

#1 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT

Where is the "whataboutism" besides in your post?

Is what she did here kosher or not?

#2 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-21 12:03 PM | Reply

I thought I'd read a lot of stupid ---- here, but then someone goes and ups the game.

They make a whataboutism post whilst complaining about whataboutism.

#3 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-21 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is what she did here kosher or not?

It's not against the law and not recommended.

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2019-05-21 12:24 PM | Reply

Nice cherry picking by NBC, from USA Today:

"In all, the Education Department's Office of Inspector General concluded there was no evidence of "active or extensive" use of DeVos' personal email or that her limited use of her personal email in first few months after her appointment was improper. Her office told investigators it was taking "additional steps to identify and preserve" emails in her personal accounts.

Most of the fewer than 100 emails linked to DeVos' personal accounts were from the first six months of 2017, soon after DeVos took office, the inquiry found. Most were also from a single unidentified person recommending candidates for agency jobs."

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 01:00 PM | Reply

Lock that B up!!!

#6 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-05-21 02:21 PM | Reply

Did she send and receive anything that violates National security?
If yes... Lock er up!

#7 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-05-21 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She should get her hand smacked -- almost as hard as Hillary's was [and she was mishandling SecState classified info].

#8 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-05-21 04:04 PM | Reply

If she's obeying the requirement to provide a copy of all government related emails to the government, and she is not trafficking in classified materials on nonclassified servers, there is no problem with what she is doing. If Ivanka and Jared obey all govt regulatory requirements and do not traffic in classified materials, there is no problem with them doing it. Had Sec. Clinton provided a copy of all govt related emails to the govt and not trafficked in classified materials on a nonclassified server, then it wouldn't have been a problem either.

No whataboutism. No hypocrisy. If any person-x is following the rules on their public or private server, no worries. If any person is not following the rules, then there is a problem that needs to be rectified.

The constant clutching of pearls by some people trying to make an apples to oranges (or classified vs. nonclassified) comparison has grown stale.

#9 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-05-21 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The constant clutching of pearls by some people trying to make an apples to oranges"

the GOP has spent nearly 17 million in legal fees defending these asshats

that's one mighty big pearl

#10 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-21 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Did she send and receive anything that violates National security?
If yes... Lock er up!

#7 | Posted by phesterOBoyle

She violated the LAW.

It is a violation of The Presidential Records Act to receive emails related to official business on her personal email account.

Also, you LUNATICS sent humpy trumpy, the biggest violator of national security ever to the white house and you are now suddenly worried about national security?

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-21 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Rule of Law"
"We are a country of Laws"

Mehmehmehmehme

Said Not a Single DR "conservative" in the 2 years, 121 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes, and 22 seconds

#12 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-21 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The DR gymnastics team is just limbering up.

Wait until you see Speaks and Danni do a backwards somersault into splits.

It's a sight to behold.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-21 06:25 PM | Reply

It is spectacular, actually.

By the way, I thought anarchists valued martyrdom? You should try it out

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-21 09:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11

Do Hillary next!

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 10:05 PM | Reply

Do Hillary next!

#15 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Right.

Look, folks, #1 didn't type all of that whataboutism and then tell everyone else to shut the ---- up with the whataboutism --- just like Jesus would, btw --- just so you people could stay on topic.

#16 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-22 04:01 AM | Reply

It is a violation of The Presidential Records Act to receive emails related to official business on her personal email account. - #11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-21 05:00 PM
This is a false statement. Any particular reason you're trying to mislead people, or are you just ignorant of the law?

#17 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-05-22 06:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If she's obeying the requirement to provide a copy of all government related emails to the government, and she is not trafficking in classified materials on nonclassified servers, there is no problem with what she is doing.

The very first sentence of the article says that she "did not always save the messages properly." It goes on to say that the emails "should have been forwarded to her government account" and "were not always being properly preserved."

So why would you say that?

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-22 07:52 AM | Reply

If she's obeying the requirement to provide a copy of all government related emails to the government,

Maybe in in your rush to push you whataboutism you actually took the time to read the ------- article you would see this...

"But they found that the emails, which should have been forwarded to her government account, "were not always being properly preserved.""

So you can shove your ------- whataboutism up your ass.

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-22 09:09 AM | Reply

So why would you say that? - #18 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-22 07:52 AM
To explain why having the same opinion on every person criticized in this way regardless of their politics. If she's broken the rules, at it appears that she has, she should be treated just the same as anyone else who has done it. Hence the statement that if anyone had behaved in the manner that they should Her, Ivanka, Jared, or Sec. Clinton, then there wouldn't be a problem. Do you not agree with that, or are you more of a 'how I feel about how they behaved should be tempered by their political party'?

#19 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-22 09:09 AM
Stating that she should be held to the same requirements as everyone else is in no way whataboutism. Maybe you just don't understand English?

#20 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-05-22 10:12 AM | Reply

Leading your post with "if she followed the rules she did nothing wrong," when she clearly did not follow the rules, appeared to be giving her a benefit of the doubt she did not deserve. Perhaps you should take a language course if you really don't unserstand how your post could possibly be interpreted that way.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-22 10:25 AM | Reply

It is a violation of The Presidential Records Act to receive emails related to official business on her personal email account. - #11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-21 05:00 PM
This is a false statement. Any particular reason you're trying to mislead people, or are you just ignorant of the law?

#17 | Posted by Avigdore

It is not false. Any reason you are trying to mislead people?

According to Congress (who made the Law):

The law requires emails related to official White House business received on personal mailing accounts, be forwarded to an official account of either the president or vice president within 20 days of receipt, the letter said.

Section 2209 (added in 2014) indicates White House staff such as DeVos "may not create or send a Presidential or Vice-Presidential record using a non-official electronic message account" unless they copy an official account or forward it to an official account "not later than 20 days" after it was created. If they fail to do so intentionally, they may be subject under the Act to administrative sanctions including removal, suspension, demotion, or pay penalty. The White House Counsel's office is tasked with policing email use and creating a culture of compliance.

Perhaps Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is not a member of the Trump administration subject to the same "presidential records act obligation" that everyone else in the administration is also subject to (many of which are also ignoring)?

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-22 06:36 PM | Reply

Is what she did here kosher or not?
It's not against the law and not recommended.

#4 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Actually it is. She failed to preserve the messages. The same thing you whined about Hillary Clinton not doing.

So, where is the "Lock Her Up" chant?

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-05-23 11:32 AM | Reply

So, where is the "Lock Her Up" chant?
#23 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Why would we bother ...

We see the system doesn't work, Democrat malfeasance has crippled the system of any rationality.

Even when you put an email server in your home, its just a "matter".

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:41 AM | Reply

when she clearly did not follow the rules, ~ Joe

Who cares Joe? Seriously ... Liberals here, probably you included, defended Clinton putting an email server in her home ....

Who cares any more .... let people do what they want ....

If you care now you are just a hypocrite taking political pot shots.

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-23 11:43 AM | Reply

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