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Sunday, May 19, 2019

Democratic leaders in Congress proved the perils of "jumping the shark" this month, which phrase, as most people know, defines instances of desperation. With the many overhyped political moments of the last two years, it is not clear when the partisan shark jump occurred. Soon after the Mueller's appointment, legal "experts" and commentators on air began confidently declaring the crimes of Trump campaign "collusion" were obvious and established, with a finding of criminality as a virtual given.

Yet, Mueller then stated that his investigation did not find that the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government. The Russia investigation without criminal Russia collusion was like Geraldo Rivera opening the safe of Al Capone only to find empty bottles.

Democratic members of Congress continue to assure Americans that Trump is guilty of impeachable offenses and that they want to open an inquiry, but without impeachment, Democrats do not even have a shark to jump.

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This is an OpEd from Jonathan Turley, the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University who was one of three Democratic experts that were called by Chairman Nadler to testify on executive privilege and the legality of releasing redactions and other legal issues when Mueller didn't show last week. Here is what he had to say about that:

Democrats had called for Mueller to appear before them on Wednesday. Mueller did not show, despite Barr showing a willingness to have him testify. Instead, the committee called for a hearing with constitutional experts to discuss the executive privilege claims raised by the White House. I was one of those experts, and the hearing did not exactly turn out as the Democrats planned. They have insisted that President Trump had already waived privilege to undisclosed evidence shown to Mueller. The committee witnesses, however, agreed that there is no such waiver.

Worse, the witnesses agreed that Barr could not release the "full and unredacted report" to Congress including any grand jury, or Rule 6(e), evidence. That is in direct contradiction to weeks of demands for the unredacted report along with a subpoena that demanded disclosure of the entire report. The committee maintained that "neither Rule 6(e) nor any applicable privilege barred disclosure of these materials to Congress." Yet, the expert witnesses it called on have now testified that is not true.

As I noted to the committee, the subpoena, which is the very basis for the earlier contempt vote, was demanding an unlawful act from Barr, and the committee then held him in contempt for not committing that unlawful act. The key to setting up someone for contempt of Congress is to draft a subpoena that he might actually be able to legally fulfill. Notably, despite all of the punditry and cable news coverage of it, the contempt citation has not yet been submitted to the full House for a vote, let alone to a court for review. That is probably not because the contempt case is too strong.

The House committee also had problems with its demand for the other redacted material. I noted to the committee that roughly 2 percent of the redacted material was grand jury material barred under Rule 6(e). That leaves 6 percent, to which Congress, but not the public, has access now. However, most of that material was redacted as part of ongoing litigation and investigations. Indeed, the judges handling cases like those of Trump associate Roger Stone or resigned national security adviser Michael Flynn have imposed court orders. Barr could not simply release that material as demanded by Congress, and no witness disagreed during the hearing.

That would cover virtually all of the redactions that Democrats spent a week highlighting as the primary issue in their minds.

When someone like Professor Turley is calling the Democrats out for not starting impeachment proceedings, you know that there is something seriously wrong with the Democrats so called "plan."

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 05:24 PM | Reply

RoC,

You have such an impeachment tent in your trousers.

What's going on? Your girl Pelosi isn't doing the deed.

Perhaps her strategy is to let him hang himself.

She may be smarter than you want her to be.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-19 05:29 PM | Reply

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not be impeached
Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not be indicted
Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not resign
Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not "hang himself"

To hang himself, he would have to be held accountable by republican-AINT GONNA HAPPEN

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will probably win reelection

If Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- does not win reelection, he will probably call the results invalid

How will democrats feel when Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- wins reelection? Will they impeach him then? Demonstrating they ARE sore losers

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-19 05:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not "hang himself"

I mean. In the public's eye.

It's really the Democrat's only hope.

That he hurts this country so much, people are actually forced to vote against him.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-19 05:45 PM | Reply

Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- will not "hang himself"
I mean. In the public's eye.
It's really the Democrat's only hope.
That he hurts this country so much, people are actually forced to vote against him.
#4 | Posted by ClownShack

You are under the sad delusion that republicans won't cheat to win the election, which I figure is a near certainty.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-19 05:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You have such an impeachment tent in your trousers.
What's going on? Your girl Pelosi isn't doing the deed.

It's called supporting the rule of law and not sacrificing your principles for partisan politics...you should try it sometime.

Perhaps her strategy is to let him hang himself.

Trump already has given her more than enough rope, she is just afraid to use it.

She may be smarter than you want her to be.

She is plenty smart, the idiots around her, not so much.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"It's called supporting the rule of law and not sacrificing your principles for partisan politics...you should try it sometime."

You might actually have some modicum of respectability if you had EVER said the same about Republicans.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 05:56 PM | Reply

"Trump already has given her more than enough rope, she is just afraid to use it."

Remember when you said the same about Paul Ryan?

No one else does either.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 06:01 PM | Reply

#7

I say that about Republicans whenever it is justified, whereas you have NEVER criticized a Democrat for ANYTHING.

You are more partyline than Jeff, just better at math.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 06:02 PM | Reply

Ryan only had allegations, Pelosi has a completed investigation.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 06:03 PM | Reply

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"I say that about Republicans whenever it is justified"

What a crock. You're pretending Trump was angelic the first two years, In fact it was during those two years he was doing the things you are so suddenly upset about.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 07:34 PM | Reply

#11

Wrong, but if believing that makes your partisan blinders fit better, so be it.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 07:55 PM | Reply

Back on topic now that Dannie has cried himself out, Prof. Turley also calls the Dems out for their reading stunt:

"The day following the hearing, Democrats held yet another spectacle of reading the Mueller report in a marathon for 12 hours on CSPAN. They even brought in a celebrity, although even my childhood friend, John Cusack, could not generate much buzz. The half day coverage of this Gregorian reading had plenty of us longing for the regular mind numbing CSPAN coverage of the "special order" speeches to an empty House chamber."

It is a weird day indeed that I agree with Mad Max that Trump has "done everything that one could even think of" to trigger an impeachment vote in the House given just the contents of Vol. II of the Mueller report, but Nancy obviously has some grand "plan" that keeps impeachment off the table.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 08:07 PM | Reply

Yawn..... Another propaganda piece from FakeLawyer.

#14 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-19 08:26 PM | Reply

"Wrong"

So when DID Trump do all that impeachable stuff...after the Dems won the House?

You're a joke. You witnessed all that crap along with the rest of us, and were never outraged at the Republicans enabling him. Now you're holding Democrats responsible for stuff you never held Republicans responsible.

You've certainly earned your Hypocrite, First Rank badge on this issue.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 08:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You're a joke. You witnessed all that crap along with the rest of us, and were never outraged at the Republicans enabling him.

I said all along that I was going to wait on the Mueller report release to pass personal judgment on whether Trump committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors suitable for impeachment while you fools screamed on a daily basis about "Collusion", and look how that worked out for you. Now that the report is out, it's clear to me that the evidence supports an obstruction charge against Trump. No outrage required until the evidence was out, but that didn't keep you Usual Idiots from running in circles on a daily basis, for reasons that Mueller has now shown to be specious.

Now you're holding Democrats responsible for stuff you never held Republicans responsible.

Why would I hold the GOP responsible for not commencing impeachment proceedings before the report came out? I know that my position frightens and confuses you since in your partyline world you would never consider criticizing your #Team, but that is where we obviously differ: I think Trump should be impeached, I disagree with Republicans that say there is no evidence of obstruction of justice, while are terrified of the prospect of your #Team looking bad in the process.

Pathetic doesn't begin to describe the current "plan" and anyone who is supporting it at this point.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That should be "while you are terrified"...

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 09:23 PM | Reply

"fools screamed on a daily basis about "Collusion", and look how that worked out for you"

Junior tried to conspire, and Mueller concluded they were all too stupid to know they were breaking the law. How'd that work out for you? Why wasn't that enough to scream about your Republicans staying silent?

"Why would I hold the GOP responsible for not commencing impeachment proceedings before the report came out? "

The ten instances of obstruction, several of which we all witnessed as a nation. Not to mention the horrific habit of making lies a regular part of a President's life.

"I know that my position frightens and confuses you "

No it doesn't; not at all. In fact, it's quite clear: your outrage at the Democrats is for the same stuff you gave Republicans a pass, AND WOULD GIVE REPUBLICANS A PASS TODAY IF THEY CONTROLLED THE HOUSE. If seems the only fright is yours, at your rank hypocrisy being exposed.

I mean...are you actually going to pretend had the Rs won the house, you'd be exhorting them the same way?!? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 09:37 PM | Reply

"I think Trump should be impeached"

Based on what? Specifically.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 09:37 PM | Reply

AND WOULD GIVE REPUBLICANS A PASS TODAY IF THEY CONTROLLED THE HOUSE.

Nope, I would be calling for impeachment, that decision is independent of who is in the majority, it's about maintaining the rule of law. I know the concept of not viewing everything through a hyper partisan lens is foreign to you, you should try it some time.

I mean...are you actually going to pretend had the Rs won the house, you'd be exhorting them the same way?!?

No pretense necessary, Trump deserves to be impeached for directing his WH Counsel to fire Mueller.

Keep hyperventilating, Dannie, it only underscores your panic that your #Team is ---- things up.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nope, I would be calling for impeachment"

Nobody believes that lie.

If you really believed in impeachment, you'd be exhorting nine Republican Senators to come out in favor of obstruction charges.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 11:38 PM | Reply

"Trump deserves to be impeached for directing his WH Counsel to fire Mueller."

And that's all?

Not firing Comey because of the Russia investigation?
Not keeping Flynn for 17 days after he was revealed to be compromised?
Not trying to get Sessions to unrecuse?
Not lying to America about Junior's meeting with the Russians?
Not his public dangling of pardons?
Not his obstructive tweets toward Cohen and Manafort?

Wow, you're sure generous. Over 700 prosecutors disagree:
news.wttw.com

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-20 01:14 AM | Reply

"Keep hyperventilating, Dannie, it only underscores your panic that your #Team is ---- things up."

Don't be an idiot, and take my criticism of Republicans as support for Democrats. I'm neither a D nor an R, although Rs have been forcing me to vote against them (nationally) since 2006, when they decided a large portion of my co-workers should be permanently codified as second-class citizens in the Constitution.

But I grew up believing in republican principles, and still do. Small "r", since the capitalized version is now Trumpublican.

Back then, Republican principles were all about fiscal sanity, respect for the rule of law, an admiration of science and achievement, good business practices, and a solid separation between church and state.

Now, Republicans are all about borrowing trillions to give to the world's wealthiest, undermining our law enforcement, changing a tax code to incentivize taking money OUT of a business, mocking science and learning, and marrying of the worst of government with the worst of religion.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-20 01:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Me thinks FakeLawyer has jumped the shark.

#24 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-20 01:31 AM | Reply

Me thinks FakeLawyer has jumped the shark.

#25 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-20 01:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Constitutional crisis in this country only grows ever more acute.

Where does this shark nonsense come from?

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-20 07:50 AM | Reply

The Constitutional crisis in this country only grows ever more acute.

No it doesn't.

Where does this shark nonsense come from?
#26 | POSTED BY ZED

The TV Show Happy Days, they had an episode where Fonzi, I think was water skiing, and jumped a shark.

#27 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-20 10:09 AM | Reply

#23 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Now do the Democrats....

#28 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-20 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Democrats lost me at the Vietnam War. Now, whenever they're in power, their main achievement is bumping into each other. They're spineless, directionless, and are more than willing to ignore the Union workers and take their votes for granted.

That said, Republicans have been actively trying to ---- up the country for multiple years now. It has forced myself and any other sensible moderate to run as far away from the Republican Party as possible.

Do I sound pissed at the Republican party? I am: I'm pissed the Republicans have stuck me with voting for Democrats. They're less worse.

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-20 10:44 AM | Reply

Danforth,

You are completely unhinged on this thread.

ROC is flat-out calling for the impeachment of a Republican president based upon obstruction as clearly laid out in Volume II of Mueller's report.

He's been consistent about it ever since the report was released.

Yet, this is your central take:

Now you're holding Democrats responsible for stuff you never held Republicans responsible.

Waiting for the report to be released prior to calling for impeachment is a reasonable position.

Personally, I said all along that I'd wait for the report to be released and let the chips fall where they may.

Volume II clearly lays out multiple instances of attempted obstruction, all of which are impeachable offenses.

Your sniping is completely illogical.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 12:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They're spineless, directionless, and are more than willing to ignore the Union workers and take their votes for granted.

Yet, you vote a straight party-line ticket.

I'm pissed the Republicans have stuck me with voting for Democrats. They're less worse.

#29 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

And to me, Republicans are less worse. Taking you at your word, you are voting for the lesser of 2 evils from your POV. I am doing the same thing. Yet, for some strange reason, you feel a near-constant compulsion to attack my votes as if I fully support everything the GOP does.

Here is political reality - impeachment starts in the House and Dems control the House. It's up to them to initiated the process. Yet you're pissed not at Dems for their inaction, but at those who call out Dems for their inaction.

It's a really bizarre stance to take.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you really believed in impeachment, you'd be exhorting nine Republican Senators to come out in favor of obstruction charges.

#21 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-05-19 11:38 PM

Make sure you ice down after moving those goalposts, they are heavy.

You should know that isn't how it works, impeachment has to be done in the House with the trial in the Senate. Once Trump is impeached by the House I will be pressing the Senate GOP to convict, but until then I will leave the running in circles, flapping your arms and shouting at the sky to you Usual Idiots.

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-20 12:45 PM | Reply

And to me, Republicans are less worse.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at

Supine is the word I think you need.

#33 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-20 01:03 PM | Reply

#30; That was pretty good Jeff. You almost had me.

Remember when Ted thought the Barr letter totally exonerated trump?

Too funny.

#34 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-20 01:49 PM | Reply

those goalposts, they are heavy.
#32 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

No one knows this better than you, Ted.

#35 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-20 01:52 PM | Reply

Dr Jones,

The Barr letter and Mueller report Volume I exonerated on conspiracy/coordination.

Obstruction - not so much.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 01:53 PM | Reply

"Yet, you vote a straight party-line ticket."

No, I don't. I've done that exactly twice: at the height of the Clinton impeachment bulllschitt, and in 2006, when Rove decided codifying gays as second- class citizens via a Constitutional amendment was a good way to get voters to the polls.

But on a national level, the Republican candidates have been crap, including the ones who won.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-20 02:03 PM | Reply

"Make sure you ice down after moving those goalposts, they are heavy."

You're misunderstanding the concept of goal posts. I'm not moving goal posts at all, I'm talking about how if you were serious in any way shape or form, you would've been exhorting Republican senators to come forward and go on record that they support obstruction charges as well. Instead you're holding Democrats to stuff you never held Republicans to, even while we watched the obstruction in front of our own eyes.

In fact, to this moment, you have not made a single keystroke to hold any Republicans responsible whatsoever. That why no one believes your lie.

Well except Jeff, and he may be hammered already.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-20 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

n fact, to this moment, you have not made a single keystroke to hold any Republicans responsible whatsoever.

Responsible for what?

Impeachment begins in the House and Democrats control the House. This is Civics101 level stuff.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 02:29 PM | Reply

Remember when Ted thought the Barr letter totally exonerated trump?

File that under Never Happened.

Try to sound out the big words Vizzindy, I know it is hard for you but if you take your time you will comprehend most of what I type.

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-20 02:39 PM | Reply

I'm talking about how if you were serious in any way shape or form, you would've been exhorting Republican senators to come forward and go on record that they support obstruction charges as well.

As Jeff correctly notes, this is civics 101 level stuff, no Senator is going to officially be on the record as to where they stand unless and until the House presents articles of impeachment to the Senate.

ou have not made a single keystroke to hold any Republicans responsible whatsoever.

Expect for dozens of posts where I state that the Republican President of the United States should be impeached for obstruction of justice, that is.

Do you think Trump should be impeached Dannie?

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-20 02:43 PM | Reply

Do you think Trump should be impeached Dannie?

#41 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I'm sure he does and that's why he's been so pissy on this thread.

He refuses to ever call out Democrats and his go-to response anytime Democrats transgress is whataboutism and deflections. That is why the self-irony of him baselessly accusing you of doing exactly what he's doing is so humorous to me.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 02:46 PM | Reply

I'm sure he does and that's why he's been so pissy on this thread.

Most of the Usual Suspects have been tremendously freaked out by the fact that I firmly believe that Trump needs to be held accountable for attempting to have McGahn fire Mueller during the investigation, that is more than enough evidence for a finding of Obstruction IMO. They are sooo confused that their pointy little heads are about to explode, they just can't seem to comprehend why I can support many GOP policies but want to impeach Trump.

The funny thing is, whenever someone aligned with the GOP comes out in favor of impeaching Trump, they practically ------, but when I say it, their brains go haywire:

Rep. Justin Amash: "President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct."

DR Left: "Yay, he's a hero!"

...

ROC: "President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct."

DR Left: "You suck, what are you up to?"

TFF

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-20 03:04 PM | Reply

ROC: "President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct."
DR Left: "You suck, what are you up to?"
TFF
#43 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

HAHA!

Diabolical RoC, wut you up to?

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-20 07:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How does upholding the rule of law grab ya?

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-20 07:41 PM | Reply

Can't we just have sex with the shark? I mean, that worked for Bill. Sometimes I just don't understand where people are coming from....

#46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-05-21 09:59 AM | Reply

"Responsible for what?"

Stating unequivocally Trump has committed obstruction of justice.

You know... what you had the nads to do, but they don't.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 08:25 PM | Reply

"He refuses to ever call out Democrats"

Probably because Democrats aren't actively trying to ---- up the country on an ongoing basis.

Democrats didn't rewrite the tax code to favor the wealthiest again and again. Democrats didn't try to codify gays as second-class citizens, and Democrats didn't try to control women by outlawing abortion.

As soon as they do...I'll call them out.

Back to my point: why haven't YOU called out all the Republican Senators more afraid of tweets than truth? Oh, that's right: NOT ONE KEYSTROKE.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 08:33 PM | Reply

Go ahead, Nancy. Whip out your dick and do it!

#49 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-21 08:39 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-05-20 02:07 PM

#48 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-05-21 08:33 PM

Looks like someone is trying to wrest the "response lag at the end of the thread" title from Corky...

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 08:48 PM | Reply

Probably because Democrats aren't actively trying to ---- up the country on an ongoing basis.

But they are ....

Democrats didn't rewrite the tax code to favor the wealthiest again and again.

Well they are the ones paying tax in the tax code of which you speak.

Democrats didn't try to codify gays as second-class citizens,

Oh please....

Democrats didn't try to control women by outlawing abortion.

More sniveling...

Stating unequivocally Trump has committed obstruction of justice.

Because he hasn't ....

DramaKingDanForth... you are an anchor... literally..

#51 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-21 08:54 PM | Reply

"Oh please.... "

You must've had your head so far up your ass, you were unaware of the proposed Constitutional Amendment to codify gays as second-class citizens.

No surprise there.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 09:01 PM | Reply

There are 206 hateful bones in Andrea, a mattress's body.

207 if you count Nullifidian.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 09:01 PM | Reply

"More sniveling..."

Translation: Yeah, Republicans try to subjugate women. So?

#54 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 09:03 PM | Reply

"Because he hasn't ...."

He told Lester Holt he had.

Again, your head is just too far up your ass.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 09:05 PM | Reply

"you are an anchor... literally.."

Humpty Dumpty strikes again.

Figuratively.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 09:06 PM | Reply

"Well they are the ones paying tax in the tax code of which you speak."

If that's the case, they're not paying enough. The deficit budgets alone suggest raising taxes, and if, like you say, those are the folks who pay taxes...their taxes should go up.

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 09:09 PM | Reply

"Looks like someone is trying to wrest the "response lag at the end of the thread" title from Corky..."

And chalk up another hundred keystrokes from RoC without taking Republican Senators to task even once. Or Republican House members, for that matter.

Who's to blame for Trump? Why, Democrats, of course!

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 09:54 PM | Reply

And chalk up another hundred keystrokes from RoC without taking Republican Senators to task even once

Bears repeating (ala Corky):

"As Jeff correctly notes, this is civics 101 level stuff, no Senator is going to officially be on the record as to where they stand unless and until the House presents articles of impeachment to the Senate."

The Majority in the House controls impeachment proceedings, so the is no "taking to task" of GOP House members for not advancing impeachment, and unless and until impeachment articles are presented to the Senate by the House, there is not "task" to be taken.

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 09:59 PM | Reply

But keep up the Gorilla Panic, it suits you.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 10:00 PM | Reply

Who's to blame for Trump? #58 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Hillary's gift to the world. How ya liking him so far?

#61 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-21 10:15 PM | Reply

"As Jeff correctly notes, this is civics 101 level stuff"

And taking a stand is Human 101 stuff. You're just all embarrassed how far over you'll bend.

Look at yourself: you're to the point where you have to pretend you'd be holding Republicans to the same standards...if only they'd kept control of the House.

I have to admit, I couldn't type that last sentence without laughing.

#62 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 10:20 PM | Reply

#62

I will say it again, slowly Dannie, so that you can comprehend: I would be demanding impeachment proceedings irrespective of who controlled the House, and if the articles made it to the Senate, would and will demand conviction.

The reason that you laugh while contemplating that is that your hyperpartisanship would never conceive of doing the same.

#63 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Some points

1. Jump the shark refers to the time in a tv show's running where the show is no longer as relevant as it once was the thus turn to more and more outrageous gimmicks to draw publicity.
2. The term "Jump the Shark" was invented by a John Hein-now working for the Howard Stern radio show, in the late 90's and early 00's to describe when a tv show turned from relevant to irrelevant.
3. Jump the shark originally referred to the Happy Days episode where the Fonz jumped a literal shark.
4. RoC would do well to criticize House Republicans for not calling for an impeachment vote. to state they have no power in the House because they are in the minority is absurd. Get a bunch of HoR Republicans calling for impeachment and see how the narrative would change.
5. By not impeaching Illegitimate President Bucket of ----, the Democrats will be losing support and IMO significant support. At some point you have to stand up for what is right and they are failing right now and looking weak the process. It is at the point where the Executive Branch has decided to ignore Congress. Now that is some successful leadership.

No Democrat will get my support unless they publicly stand for impeaching the --------- in the WH. Beyond that, their number one priority should be election security and passing laws that make what Illegitimate President Bucket of ---- did in 2016 unequivocally illegal. And if I had my druthers, they would call the 2016 election invalid, kick off the 2 SC judges from the SCOTUS, immediately declare all of Illegitimate President Bucket of ----'s Executive Orders invalid and rescind all legislation signed by him. But I can only dream on that front.

#64 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-21 11:01 PM | Reply

RoC would do well to criticize House Republicans for not calling for an impeachment vote. to state they have no power in the House because they are in the minority is absurd. Get a bunch of HoR Republicans calling for impeachment and see how the narrative would change.

There is a thing called reality that intrudes into fantasies like this and your final paragraph, as we have seen with the GOP backlash against Rep Amash for being principled and calling out Trump for his obstruction, the political reality is that no one in the GOP Minority, if they want to keep their job, is going to call for impeachment. If the Dems can present compelling evidence before a vote, that would be the time to pressure GOP House members to impeach, right now it is meaningless.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 11:14 PM | Reply

So, IOW, Danforth is correct. You won't criticize Republicans.

Hack.

#66 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-21 11:17 PM | Reply

So, IOW, Danforth is correct. You won't criticize Republicans.

I am demanding that the head of the Republican Party be impeached.

Hacks.

#67 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 11:34 PM | Reply

I know it freaks you all out that I am adamant about this, but if you shed the anger and partisan blinders and take a fresh look outside your bubble, there are millions of people like me that put little or no weight to the (Letter) after a politician's name and look mostly at what they have done in making determinations if they should stay or go.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 11:46 PM | Reply

If the Dems can present compelling evidence

There is none ... NONE .... its all for smell at this point...

#69 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-21 11:57 PM | Reply

#69

Except for that whole directing Don McGahn to fire Mueller thingy...

#70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-21 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I am demanding that the head of the Republican Party be impeached."

Word.

Did you make a compelling legal case for this someplace, or is it just that Trump has cooties?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-22 12:01 AM | Reply

"I am demanding that the head of the Republican Party be impeached."

Not via Republicans; never via Republicans.

The fact you've never made a peep about Republicans enabling Trump makes it pretty obvious how hollow your claim is.

#72 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:25 AM | Reply

"as we have seen with the GOP backlash against Rep Amash "

Well, you leaped in to defend Amash, right?

Oh, I forgot...NOT ONE KEYSTROKE.

"the political reality is that no one in the GOP Minority, if they want to keep their job, is going to call for impeachment."

Translation: "I don't want Republicans to take a stand where they'll lose their job, I want Democrats to take a stand where they'll lose their job."

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:36 AM | Reply

"I would be demanding impeachment proceedings irrespective of who controlled the House"

No you wouldn't. You'd be posting the same stuff you posted when Trump said he fired Comey due to the Russia investigation...

...nothing.

#74 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 01:02 AM | Reply

--The deficit budgets alone...

Never heard that phrase before. It sounds like "budget deficits" translated for dyslexics.

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-22 08:59 AM | Reply

It sounds like "budget deficits" translated for dyslexics.

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-22 08:59 AM | Reply

English is a flexible language for native speakers.

#76 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-22 09:35 AM | Reply

#74 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You've reached peak inanity on this thread and deserve only 1 response:

[stamp]
Please explain. Your claim is ridiculous. Stop repeating what you hear and educate yourself. What exactly was that supposed to prove? When your point is based entirely on an assumption, you didn't have a point to begin with. In order to make your point, you had to make something up completely. See the problem? Anything else that you would like to make up? The rest of your post was just mindless. I think you have only shown that you assume too much.
Do you ever actually understand what you are commenting on or does stupidity just take hold? Does anyone really understand what this person is babbling about?
[/stamp]

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 10:20 AM | Reply

Well, you leaped in to defend Amash, right?
Oh, I forgot...NOT ONE KEYSTROKE.
- Dannie

A thread was created about Amash's remarks. This was the thread headline:

GOP Lawmaker says Trump 'Engaged in Impeachable Conduct'

After 15 posts:

Comments are closed for this entry.

It seems Rcade didn't give anybody much opportunity to leap to Amash's defense.

Maybe you can create another thread about it. Bottom line is congressmen and senators rarely call out POTUS of their own party.

Democrats control the House and that's where impeachment starts.

To make the claim that myself, ROC or anybody else wouldn't call for the House to initiate impeachment if it was under GOP control is simply childish. You are lashing out like a juvenile over something ROC has no ability to do: Call on a GOP-lead House to initiate impeachment based upon Volume II of the Mueller report. And that's because by the time the report was released Democrats had already taken control.

You are clearly very insecure about all of this. You can't bring yourself to call out the Democratic Party for their failure to initiate impeachment so you are lashing out at others for not calling out Republicans to do something they are not in a position to do.

You are transparently partisan and watching you try and accuse others of being exactly what you are is hilarious. The self-irony is astonishing. That you keep doubling-down is reaching a point where it's eliciting pity for you. And I mean that in a very condescending way.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 10:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It seems Rcade didn't give anybody much opportunity to leap to Amash's defense. "

You're pretending posts = time. Unless RCade cut the time short, the reason there were no defenses of Amash by right-wingers are telling enough.

"Democrats control the House and that's where impeachment starts. "

That doesn't preclude anyone from going on record. And if 9 Republican Senators went on record, guess what would happen? Are you actively pursuing this road, or are you still blaming Dems for Trump, while excusing all Republicans?

"You are transparently partisan"

Today's Republicans are transparently awful. You've agreed on many occasions, just not in the voting booth.

"it's eliciting pity for you."

You can be as drunk as you want, coward.

"something they are not in a position to do. "

You're a liar. They're "in position"; their very title claims it. But they're afraid for their jobs, as RoC admitted. And, just like RoC, you (transparently) want to blame Democrats for something you've NEVER blamed Republicans for.

#79 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 11:01 AM | Reply

"Do you ever actually understand what you are commenting on"

Sure: Republicans are pretending they have no responsibility at all when it comes to Trump, especially once the Dems won the House.

But tell us Jeff: If Rs controlled the House, would they be moving toward impeachment? And would you be exhorting them in that direction?

OF COURSE NOT. Hypocrisy is on full display. If Rs controlled the house, you'd stick to BBQ threads.

I've clearly struck a nerve with this one.

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 11:06 AM | Reply

Wow, such moral high ground some of you dwell in. LOL

Republicans are not going to turn on trump if they figure it's gonna cost them their own jobs. They don't care about Trump. They care about keeping their own jobs. They're afraid of alienating the hard-core base of Trump in their respective district and/orstate.

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-22 11:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Wow, such moral high ground some of you dwell in."

Especially that ground where you can be silent when the obstruction is being committed before your very eyes, and then outraged when it's convenient.

#82 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 11:26 AM | Reply

Trump is the master of reality TV and if he had nothing to hide, he would welcome Mueller, McGahn et al testifying, with wall-to-wall coverage, to demonstrate his innocence. The fact that he is fighting every witness and every request for documents is very telling.

#83 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-22 11:28 AM | Reply

I've clearly struck a nerve with this one.

#80 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

No you haven't. You are beclowning yourself.

Hypocrisy is on full display. If Rs controlled the house, you'd stick to BBQ threads.

Where is the hypocrisy? Rs don't control the House. You are accusing me of being hypocritical about a situation that doesn't exist.

What's funny is that you are lashing out at the likes of me for not taking a position about a situation that doesn't exist - a GOP-controlled House, and yet you are refusing to call out Democrats for a situation that does exist - a Democrat-controlled House.

Where is your outrage over Pelosi keeping a lid on impeachment? This is something she's actively doing. Yet, your only response is to lash out at me for not calling out a fictional GOP-lead House.

Seriously, take your gaze off of your life-sized Obama posters and think about the argument you are making. If you give it a moment of sober thought you'll see how silly you are being.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 11:39 AM | Reply

"They're afraid of alienating the hard-core base of Trump in their respective district and/orstate. "

They're cowards then, since they swore to uphold and defend the Constitution, not their own careers.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-22 11:44 AM | Reply

"Where is the hypocrisy?"

The silence when Rs were in control, vs the screaming now that Dems are in control. Have you noticed, or are you already hammered this morning?

"Where is your outrage over Pelosi keeping a lid on impeachment?"

I'm not outraged at all. Impeachment is a dead end, until 9 Republican Senators come forward. Luckily, you'll be exhorting those 9 Senators any moment now.

Be sure you don't run over RoC as you both rush to condemn silent Republicans.

#86 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 11:44 AM | Reply

"What's funny is that you are lashing out at the likes of me for not taking a position about a situation that doesn't exist"

No I'm not. I'm pointing out the rank hypocrisy of silence when Rs could've done something, compared with screaming that Pelosi should start traveling a dead-end road.

Additionally, if you & RoC REALLY believed what you claim, you'd be exhorting Republican Senators to pull an Amash. That's "a position" you could take. Instead, you're suggesting Dems stick their necks out, something you've never suggested to Republicans.

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 11:49 AM | Reply

I think the point Danforth is trying to convey is, because of math, impeachment will require a bipartisan effort.

Now, which party is more reluctant to impeach? That's the one that needs encouragement.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-22 11:51 AM | Reply

"Now, which party is more reluctant to impeach? That's the one that needs encouragement."

Not a chance. You'll NEVER get The Party of Responsibility to accept any responsibility. To this point, their answer is Dems should put their re-elections on the line.

#89 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 11:54 AM | Reply

The silence when Rs were in control,

From Day 1 my position was I'd wait for the release of the Mueller report and let the chips fall where they may. The report was released after Democrats took the House.

I'm not outraged at all.

Yeah, we know. It's incumbent upon Democrats to take action and we know how you feel when Democrats don't do what they should do.

until 9 Republican Senators come forward.

No Republican Senator is going to come forward until after articles of impeachment have been introduced. Democrats aren't initiating the process and you're all self-righteous about me not deriding the GOP for something that is incumbent on Democrat actions.

Your lack of understanding of our civic processes is mind-boggling. Give me a PO address and I'll mail you a copy of Schoolhouse Rock to at least bring you up to a rudimentary level of understanding.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 11:55 AM | Reply

I'm pointing out the rank hypocrisy of silence when Rs could've done something, compared with screaming that Pelosi should start traveling a dead-end road.

So, the GOP should have stuck their collective necks out to initiate impeachment against a GOP POTUS before the Mueller report was released but now that it's been released and Volume II is an impeachment road map it's a dead-end because it might hurt the Dems electoral chances? If you didn't have double-standards you'd have no standards at all.

Bottom line: Republicans are not going to lead the charge of impeachment against a president of their own party when Democrats control the House.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:00 PM | Reply

"From Day 1 my position was I'd wait for the release of the Mueller report "

When Trump told Lester Holt he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation, Mueller hadn't yet been appointed. And your response was...aw, who am I kidding? You were silent.

"It's incumbent upon Democrats to take action"

Posts the guy who was silent when it was incumbent on Republicans.

"No Republican Senator is going to come forward "

That sure is a big skirt you're hiding behind.

"Your lack of understanding of our civic processes..."

I'm very aware of our civic processes, and how Republicans could've acted. But we both know (and only ONE of us is denying) if Rs still controlled the House, the Nuneses and the Gowdys of the world would be silent....JUST LIKE YOU WOULD BE.

#92 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:00 PM | Reply

"So, the GOP should have stuck their collective necks out to initiate impeachment against a GOP POTUS before the Mueller report was released"

Aw...look at you...admitting it was about politics, and not truth.

And now you want Dems to do the same thing that turned you into an apologist.

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Rumor has it Madame Tussaud's has a restraining order on Danforth.

#94 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:04 PM | Reply

I'm very aware of our civic processes

Clearly you're not. You demonstrate even less understanding of our political processes.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:06 PM | Reply

"Bottom line: Republicans are not going to lead the charge of impeachment against a president of their own party"

Then stop pretending it's about the ability to take a stand; it's not. It's tribalism over truth.

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:06 PM | Reply

"You demonstrate even less understanding of our political processes."

Posts the guy who "wants" the Dems to impeach, knowing it'll be a campaign tool as Trump runs out the clock.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:08 PM | Reply

It's tribalism over truth.

#96 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Oh, THAT's rich.

#98 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-22 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then stop pretending it's about the ability to take a stand; it's not. It's tribalism over truth.

#96 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Where have I ever suggested otherwise?

Posts the guy who "wants" the Dems to impeach, knowing it'll be a campaign tool as Trump runs out the clock.

#97 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I have never said I "want" Dems to impeach. My position has been that impeachment is warranted but it's ultimately a political remedy and right now the public support isn't there for it and that Dems would be making a mistake by initiating it.

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:11 PM | Reply

"Oh, THAT's rich.'

Tell us Sheeple...why do you swallow Trump's lies on a daily basis? And why do you act like a battered spouse, like you somehow deserve to be lied to?

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:11 PM | Reply

I don't in any way condemn Democrats for failing to start the impeachment process. That's because I understand how our political processes work.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:13 PM | Reply

"My position has been that impeachment is warranted"

Do you mean impeachment and removal, or impeachment and Republican Senators line up to fellate Trump?

#102 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:14 PM | Reply

Do you mean impeachment and removal, or impeachment and Republican Senators line up to fellate Trump?

#102 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Based on Volume II and other things - constantly debasing the office, chaos and constant turnover among staff, etc. I absolutely think removal is warranted after impeachment.

#103 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danforth,

Just because you are a hyper-partisan doesn't mean everybody else is.

You need to understand that some people don't view every issue through a partisan lens like you do.

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Just because you are a hyper-partisan doesn't mean everybody else is. "

Remember when you went on record condemning Trump's firing of Comey? No one else does either.

And remind us: did you last vote for a Democrat---

a) In the last election
b) in the prior election
c) in the last decade
d) more than 10 years ago

Oh, that's right: "D" is the answer.

But tell me again how "partisan" I am.

#105 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:19 PM | Reply

Well, you leaped in to defend Amash, right?

Oh, I forgot...NOT ONE KEYSTROKE.

#73 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-05-22 12:36

Except for these keystrokes from the third post on the original Amash thread and a bunch of other posts on others because the Drudgelord shut it down quickly:

Amash is not wrong, but the so-called strategy of the Dems sure is.

#3 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-05-18 08:06 PM

Your Gorilla Panic is bordering on pathetic at this point.

Tell me Dannie, have you emailed your Congressman demanding impeachment? I have, and he came out yesterday saying that "we have reached the inflection point" where impeachment is necessary.

Oh, that's right, you don't want the Democrats to look bad by impeaching Trump.

#106 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-22 12:21 PM | Reply

"constantly debasing the office"

He was doing that the first two years as well.

Thank God you called Trump out over and over, and stopped voting for his enablers.
/snark

#107 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:21 PM | Reply

Danforth. you're becoming unhinged.

and by becoming, I mean always has been.

#108 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-22 12:25 PM | Reply

And remind us: did you last vote for a Democrat---
a) In the last election
b) in the prior election
c) in the last decade
d) more than 10 years ago

a) Lieu, Feinstein
b) Lieu, Harris
c) Lieu, Waxman, Brown, Obama, Feintein
d) Waxman, Clinton, Feinstein

Your turn.

#109 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-22 12:26 PM | Reply

Remember when you went on record condemning Trump's firing of Comey?

I thought Comey's firing was justified, especially after the IG report of the Clinton email investigation was released.

Lemme guess, he's a saint to you. Well, that's not entirely true. He didn't become a saint to you until he called on the country to vote for Democrats in the midterm election.

#110 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:44 PM | Reply

"Your turn."

It was Jeff's question to answer. "D" would be the correct one.

For me, it's "A".

#111 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:48 PM | Reply

But tell me again how "partisan" I am.

#105 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You display your hyper-partisanship daily on the DR.

I recall one time you criticized the Obama administration about something.

It was early in his first term.

He made a promise that any bill put on his desk would be put online for 5 days for public viewing before he signed it.

He immediately signed a bill and your post was, "WTF is this? Whatever happened to that promise for putting a bill online for 5 days before signing?"

After that point, you were a constant cheerleader and apologist. You remain so to this day.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I thought Comey's firing was justified, especially after the IG report of the Clinton email investigation was released. "

So you bought that bullschitt story? The reason Comey was fired was because of her emails?!?

You'll swallow anything, won't you?

#113 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:50 PM | Reply

And remind us: did you last vote for a Democrat---
a) In the last election
b) in the prior election
c) in the last decade
d) more than 10 years ago

Your turn:

For me, it's "A".

#111 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

We already knew that.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:52 PM | Reply

"You display your hyper-partisanship daily on the DR. "

I point out how Republicans are actively trying to f^ck over the country, and you pretend that's support for Democrats.

I said yesterday they were less worse, which you then said about Republicans.

But where and how? Specifically.

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 12:52 PM | Reply

#113

I thought Comey deserved to be fired. Period.

Had his firing in any way impeded any investigations into Trump, yes I would have derided that as an abuse of power.

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 12:53 PM | Reply

you pretend that's support for Democrats.

#115 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Calling out GOP malfeasance isn't support for Democrats. Further, there is nothing wrong with supporting Democrats.

Where you get yourself into trouble is when you try to accuse others of being partisan hacks. You live in a massive glass house when it comes to being a partisan hack.

Seriously, any time a thread is created that is about a legitimate transgression of a Democrat or the Democratic Party you will quickly show up and immediately engage in deflections to the GOP. You do it every time. That, over anything else, is why I call you hyper-partisan.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For me, it's "A".

I'm sorry, anyone with a brain would have known I was asking when you last voted for a Republican, given your hyperpartisan viewpoint.

I will take that as "not during those time frames".

#118 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-22 01:06 PM | Reply

"They're cowards then, since they swore to uphold and defend the Constitution, not their own careers."

They're career politicians. They believe they have to keep their jobs in order to do their jobs. But what they spend all their time doing is keeping their jobs.

#119 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-22 02:45 PM | Reply

"I will take that as "not during those time frames"."

You'd be wrong.

"I was asking when you last voted for a Republican"

The last election. But not on a national level.

#120 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-22 02:48 PM | Reply

Hyper-partisans merely believe they are partisan for just cause.

#121 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-22 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I was asking when you last voted for a Republican"
The last election. But not on a national level.

#120 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

At the non-national level in '18 half of my votes went to candidates who weren't Republicans.

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-22 02:57 PM | Reply

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