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Sunday, May 19, 2019

President Trump declared himself "strongly pro-life" in a series of tweets Saturday night, -- but he made clear he's opposed to key elements of strict new abortion laws as he called for Republican unity on the issue.

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Headline should read abortion stance is not about protecting babies

#1 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-05-19 09:22 AM | Reply

John,

"Headline should read abortion stance is not about protecting babies"

Of course it isn't. Never was.

The core of pro-life is respecting the Sanctity of Human Life.

Funny how secular humanists don't get it.

You'd think they would.

Guess that shows me they don't care really care about human life.

#2 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-19 12:10 PM | Reply

Trump's position is that potential babies conceived of ---------- aren't worthy of the same protections those conceived otherwise. Explain to me how that is "respecting the Sanctity of Human Life".

#3 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-05-19 12:20 PM | Reply

"The core of pro-life is respecting the Sanctity of Human Life."

What about the sanctity of the life you're demanding keep an unwanted child in it?

How can you claim to respect the sanctity of life when you ignore the mother's life?

Be honest. You only respect the sanctity of unborn life. At the expense and burden of the mother.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The core of pro-life is respecting the Sanctity of Human Life."

So they bomb planned parenthood centers and vote for policies that increase abortions, childhood deaths, infant deaths, and childbirth deaths for mothers?

"Pro-Life" is the greatest marketing job in history. Literally kill more people but call it the opposite lmao. Genius. Pro-Choice people, we need to start calling ourselves anti-murder and anti-christian-sharia-law. We can have sensational titles like them, we don't even have to outright lie the way they do.

#5 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-19 01:02 PM | Reply

Trump's personal position/hypocrisy on abortion is irrelevant since he put his money where his mouth is and appointed anti-Roe judges to the SC.

We all know Trump is a lying --------. But hw gave evangelicals what they want.

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-19 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Literally kill more people but call it the opposite lmao."

They allow themselves to ignore statistics because their feelings are so strong.

There is no other explanation.

Colorado made birth control widely available and the abortion rate decreased significantly.

Find me the Pro-Lifer who wants to emulate Colorado.

There aren't any, because Colorado empowers women, and Pro-Lifers control women.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 01:07 PM | Reply

It sounds like Trump supports a reasonable compromise that most Americans can live with.

It's up to Dems to lay down their cards and admit they want inconvenience abortions right up to birth.

Klobuchar leads the way - www.mccl.org

"ST. PAUL -- Minnesota's two U.S. senators, Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith, today voted against advancing legislation to protect newborn babies who survive abortion. With the opposition of Klobuchar, who is currently running for president, and Smith, a former executive at Planned Parenthood in Minnesota, the Senate's 53-44 vote total fell short of the 60 votes required to break a filibuster and proceed with consideration of the bill."

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-19 01:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Colorado made birth control widely available and the abortion rate decreased significantly."

Absolutely. Study after study has shown education and access to birth control are the two driving factors.

Unfortunately, add those to prenatal care, early childhood development, and Head Start programs to the list of pro-life ideas the so-called pro life crowd is four-square against.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy,

You can take nearly any moral absolute out of context and play whataboutism ad nauseam.

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-19 03:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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Find me the Pro-Lifer who wants to emulate Colorado.
~Snoofy

I do, I have no problem with it, they need to do something about STD's though.

But overall I don't see the issue with what Colorado has implemented.

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-19 04:24 PM | Reply

BillJohnson.

Then don't.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 04:35 PM | Reply

Speaking of moral absolutes,

The balancing act between individual sovereignty and individual right to life necessitates a balancing act, which is addressed adequately by Roe v Wade.

Yours?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 04:39 PM | Reply

"But overall I don't see the issue with what Colorado has implemented."

If you cared about the unborn, you'd evangelize what Colorado has implemented.

But you don't, which is also fine.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 04:40 PM | Reply

It sounds like Trump supports a reasonable compromise that most Americans can live with

So. You believe women should compromise their right to control their own body?

How giving of you.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-19 04:43 PM | Reply

He forgot to mention when you get a porn star pregnant.

#16 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-19 04:45 PM | Reply

or when having a baby would be a pain in the ass.

#17 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-19 04:45 PM | Reply

#17

Hate to break this to you, but wrong hole.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-19 05:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think he mixes up Miranda rights with abortion rights; He's for them if the alternative might be used against you in a court of law.

#19 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-05-20 09:08 AM | Reply

Look, I really am strongly prolife.

And nobody prolife I know really think Trump is a true believer.

He was not Hillary, would who eat a baby to get elected.

She lost more than he won. And lots of us couldn't stomach to vote for him, KNOWING that he wasn't really with us.

A guy who'd mess with Stormy Daniels almost certainly isn't prolife, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear he's paid for some abortions.

Please give us a better choice 2020...

#20 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-20 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Re: prolife and supporting either free birth control and welfare/government mandated prenatal care etc:

I talked to a full time prolife worker about these issues.
We are glad they exist. They DO lower the abortion rate.

But they are kinda like being a used older Kia, versus a newer Toyota.
There are almost always underlying problems that are complicated, expensive or have other side effects that make it a lower quality choice.

Seriously though, all of you who suck the teet of state-ism should stop with this argument.

#21 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-20 12:04 PM | Reply

The average complexion around the world and in the USA is darkening. 60 percent of the 1.6 million abortions performed are by white women. Since 1972 white birthrates have lagged the replacement rate of 2100 births per 1000 women. The heightened anti-abortion campaign has fear of loss of white rule underlying it.

#22 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-20 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course Dotard supports abortion in cases of ------. He knows that if he knocks up Ivanka the kid would come out as ------ up as ------------------.

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-05-20 04:19 PM | Reply

"A guy who'd mess with Stormy Daniels almost certainly isn't prolife"

A guy who opposes universal health care certainly isn't pro-life either.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-20 04:29 PM | Reply

- A guy who opposes universal health care

Like Obama, Hillary, and Biden?

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-20 04:52 PM | Reply

Did they ever claim to be pro-life? No.

Did Trump? Yes.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-20 04:55 PM | Reply

Are you expecting Sherp to hold Trump to any standards?

Why start now?

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-20 05:38 PM | Reply

It sounds like Trump supports a reasonable compromise that most Americans can live with.

#8 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

So you agree that are some embryo's are more worthy of being birthed than others?

#28 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-05-20 06:06 PM | Reply

So you agree that are some embryo's are more worthy of being birthed than others?

#28 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

Pfft, no. Why would I agree with that?

Sounds like something Hitler or Goebbels would say.

#29 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-20 06:21 PM | Reply

#26 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Well Snoofy, what I do know is that every Democrat who is NOT for UHC obviously opposes quality, affordible healthcare for Americans and is batting for the insurance and Pharma industry.

Spin it any way you want, but thats the bottom line.

#30 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-20 06:25 PM | Reply

"Well Snoofy, what I do know is that every Democrat who is NOT for UHC obviously opposes quality, affordible healthcare for Americans and is batting for the insurance and Pharma industry."

One question:

How come you don't know who President Donald J. Trump is batting for?

Another question:

Why don't you even care who he's batting for?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-20 11:25 PM | Reply

The other instance Trump failed to mention is when he's knocked up someone.

Rev. Dave Barnhart put the whole issue in truthful terms:

"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bringall that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you.

You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are (fetuses), in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

Prisoners? Immigrants? The Sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-20 11:35 PM | Reply

#31 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Trump only bats for himself.

Party Democrats bat for Citigroup, Aetna, McDonnell Douglas, Bayer, Goldman Sachs, Blackstone Group, AT&T

You believe they care about you? minorities? the poor and working class?

How quaint and nostalgic. They've chosen Biden for a reason.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-20 11:45 PM | Reply

"#31 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Trump only bats for himself"

So, not for you or me.

"Party Democrats bat for Citigroup, Aetna, McDonnell Douglas, Bayer, Goldman Sachs, Blackstone Group, AT&T"

That's called freedom of speech.
It's what the Founders intended, according to Republicans.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-20 11:50 PM | Reply

"You believe they care about you? minorities? the poor and working class?"

I believe, and the evidence supports, that Democrats are more likely to enact policies that benefit me, minorities, the poor, and the working class.

Why don't you believe that too?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-20 11:55 PM | Reply

- more likely
- Why don't you believe that too?

By all means, if you're satisfied with crumbs while the elite dine and feast? Settle, and keep voting for it.

Personally, I expect more from my gov't. Why don't you believe that too?

#36 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-21 12:01 AM | Reply

"Personally, I expect more from my gov't."

Do you get more when Republicans are deciding what you get, or Democrats are deciding what you get?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 12:03 AM | Reply

"By all means, if you're satisfied with crumbs while the elite dine and feast? Settle, and keep voting for it."

That's a feature of capitalism, not of democracy.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 12:04 AM | Reply

It's a feature of both parties, and you're right, "not of democracy."

Neither is it democracy when the DNC delivers their preferred candidate.

But you keep voting for it. Enjoy the fruits of your voting habits.

Me? I won't contribute to it. When enough people stop enabling them, they'll go away.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-21 12:08 AM | Reply

"Me? I won't contribute to it. When enough people stop enabling them, they'll go away."

So, your plan is to wait for Citigroup, Aetna, McDonnell Douglas, Bayer, Goldman Sachs, Blackstone Group, AT&T to go away, then?

Who do you imagine dies first, you or them?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 12:14 AM | Reply

Who do you imagine represents us, Biden or Sanders?

Who do you imagine represents them?

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-21 12:21 AM | Reply

"Who do you imagine represents us, Biden or Sanders?"

Either Biden or Sanders better represents me than literally any Republican.

You?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 12:29 AM | Reply

Biden only represents better lip service and pandering.

Enjoy the fruit basket of promises never kept.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-21 12:46 AM | Reply

"The core of pro-life is respecting the Sanctity of Human Life"

Absolute nonsense. Not a single "pro-life" faction is for making it easier for women to bring pregnancies to term, with programs of prenatal education, access to low-cost birth control, and early childhood development.

It's about controlling women and their bodies, period.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-21 12:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pro life tend to be pro gun, pro war, pro death penalty...

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-21 01:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Biden only represents better lip service and pandering.

What does Trump represent?

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-21 01:04 AM | Reply

Prophylactic birth control should be free and ubiquitous.

Medicare for all pregnant women and children from birth to 18 years old.

#47 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-05-21 01:06 AM | Reply

"Biden only represents better lip service and pandering."

So, assuming that's true, Biden would net me nothing.

Which, again, is better than what litetally any Republican is offering.

Why can't you agree?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 04:16 PM | Reply

-So, assuming that's true, Biden would net me nothing.

nothing? ousting Trump nets you nothing?

then what the ---- is all the complaining about??

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-21 04:19 PM | Reply

"nothing? ousting Trump nets you nothing?
then what the ---- is all the complaining about??"

If you're gonna be that way about it, then not ousting trump nets me a loss.

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 11:57 PM | Reply

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