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The point of impeachment is to use it to so thoroughly expose Trump's crimes, most Americans decide he must go. That would leave Senate Republicans with the no-win choice of removing Trump to save their own individual prospects of reelection, or not removing him and losing their own seats for it. That way, no matter what the GOP Senate ultimately decides, the Democrats -- and America -- win. That means the Democrats need the majority of Americans to want impeachment before it starts.

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Once you get past the pundits who are falsely framing impeachment as a magic wand, so they can score cheap points with a frustrated populace by disingenuously attacking Democratic House leaders for not waving that wand, the reality is that impeachment is a complex equation. If the Democrats want a positive result from it, they have to do it in a very specific and calculated way.

The polls make clear that the Democrats' strategy is working: the William Barr hearings drove the pro-impeachment poll numbers from the 37-40% range, to the 45-49% range – and this was as a result of the testimony of a guy who was trying to help Trump.

We now have a House Republican getting out slightly ahead of the Democratic House leaders on impeachment. That gives them significant cover when it comes time for them to make the argument to the public – after Mueller and McGahn testify – that they're left with no choice but to impeach Trump. Talking heads aside, this is how the process works when it comes to taking Trump down – and it's falling into place.

Can't say I disagree with these points, but it's fun watching all the Trump-humpers huff and puff while decrying the Democrats for not jumping into impeachment before the public is ripe. While no sentient person is expecting Trump's loyal base to change their minds, even most Congressmembers obviously haven't read the entire report with all the detailed information exposing Trump's malfeasance, so placing its enormity into the proper context through hearings and testimony may make all the difference in the world to the majority of the public who haven't read it either.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-05-18 07:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The point of impeachment is to use it to so thoroughly expose Trump's crimes, most Americans decide he must go.

No it isn't, he didn't commit any crimes.

The purpose of the "impeachment" is purely political, Dems will wait until the election gets going. Then the "impeachment" will be an imperative to distract from the Democrats having no real new ideas or candidate worth a damn.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-18 07:59 PM | Reply

even most Congressmembers obviously haven't read the entire report

Hell, most Congressmembers that were trying to read it out loud yesterday obviously couldn't pronounce some of the words in it.

There is nothing "smart" about delaying impeachment (and Palmer doesn't even say that nor has he ever been called that) and Nadler, in admitting that Mueller will most likely testify in June at the earliest, is not helping things in the slightest.

But go ahead and keep posting excuses for the Dems "strategy", I am sure that it will succeed in starting impeachment proceedings in 2021.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-18 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is nothing "smart" about delaying impeachment

There is if they can do it during the election cycle, keep on the front page of WaPo, CNN and other crapola news sites -------- read.

The idea now for the Dems, is to throw up Gorilla Dust as much a possible till the election cycle.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-18 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- he didn't commit any crimes.

Obstruction of justice isn't a crime to Mattress.... it's a strength in a Republican President.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-18 08:16 PM | Reply

Unindicted co-conspirator says "What?"

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-18 08:22 PM | Reply

- Obstruction of justice

#5 | POSTED BY CORKY

Feel free to post a link to the indictment.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 08:27 PM | Reply

...he didn't commit any crimes.

Tell it to Amash.

Under our Constitution, the president "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." While "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is not defined, the context implies conduct that violates the public trust.

Contrary to Barr's portrayal, Mueller's report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.

The Mueller report is chock full of Trump "violating the public trust." It says volumes about your absence of character in blithely ignoring that unmistakable truth.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-05-18 08:31 PM | Reply

www.wbur.org

Here you go douchebag.

#9 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-18 08:31 PM | Reply

www.wbur.org

Here you go douchebag.

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-18 08:31 PM | Reply

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"That means the Democrats need the majority of Americans to want impeachment before it starts."

Americans will be so sick and tired of Democratic nonsense by the election, Biden may get less EC votes than even Hillary.

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 08:33 PM | Reply

It says volumes about your absence of character in blithely ignoring that unmistakable truth.
#8 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

LOL. The leader of your party won't impeach. They'll just keep saying Impeach for the next 16 months until impeach fatigue sets in.

On top of that, they're going to destroy all the progressive-liberal candidates to clear the deck for Joe.

Your party of corruption and corporate diddling is going to crash into the mountain. I can't wait.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 08:38 PM | Reply

Americans will be so sick and tired of Democratic nonsense by the election

You have noticed that a Republican Congressman has come out and said that Trump needs to be impeached. It's no longer just Dems and it never has been. Trump is an abomination upon the presidency and THAT has zero to do with his politics and policy. Personally he tramples on the public trust every single time he tries to pit one American against another. Presidents don't do that, they respect every American's rights to believe what they feel and speak their own minds openly in relative safety. We can disagree without demonizing fellow citizens practicing their rights by expressing their own beliefs contrary to the President's.

But Trump has done far more than just that visceral complaint. That is why he should be impeached once the evidence, testimony and the mood of the public says that he should. If that doesn't happen, he likely won't be, but with his ongoing drunkenness on power and vindictiveness bent, I say there's a strong possibility things reach a head before the end of summer.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-05-18 08:46 PM | Reply

That is why he should be impeached once the evidence, testimony and the mood of the public says that he should. If that doesn't happen, he likely won't be

Sheer genius...if you don't start proceedings, you likely won't impeach Trump. How did you ever come to that breakthrough?

The Dems need to stop being facepalmingly stupid and meek, grow some cojones and start impeachment proceedings.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-18 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Dems need to stop being facepalmingly stupid and meek, grow some cojones and start impeachment proceedings."

Why? As a lawyer, I'm sure you're quite aware once impeachment begins, the White House has a lot more avenues to delay the process until after the elections, meaning all Democrats will be doing is delivering a campaign issue to goose Republican turnout.

Of course, you know that... which is why you have such a raging ------ for Democrats to do what you've never advocated Republicans do, ever.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-18 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#15

Bingo!

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-18 10:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#15

Hardly, under House rules the Majority controls the process and the timing of the vote, and under Senate rules the Senate shall commence the trial the day after the articles are introduced by the House.

Moreover, most of the problems that the Dems are facing on the redacted report and getting the evidence are greatly diminished once the House commences impeachment proceedings.

But as an accountant, I didn't expect you to know that.

Nice try though.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-18 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Something very important happened today and Nancy Pelosi nor the Democrats had anything to do with it. The event is the first one of its kind and will most certainly change the dynamic of the impeachment question. An elected Republican congressional representative with a 91% Voting-with-Trump record in the 116th Congress publicly announced that after his thorough reading of the Mueller report he has come to two substantial conclusions: 1) AG Barr "... intended to mislead the public about Special Counsel Robert Mueller's analysis and findings...;" and 2) "President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct."

Now, does this event give the Democrats more or less impetus and public momentum to move closer to formal impeachment hearings? Would even a slow trickle of other elected Republican representatives coming forward with the same conclusions help or harm any impeachment efforts?

Bottom line, haven't today's events made it easier for the Democrats to move forward toward impeaching Donald Trump? The only answer is a resounding "yes," so why in the holy hell would Nancy Pelosi want to stop the momentum brought forth by Republicans and move for immediate impeachment without finding out if other Republicans are willing to admit the same thing once asked if they too have read the entire report as Rep. Amash did, and if not why not?

Every elected congressional Republican should be publicly asked to comment as to whether they've bothered to read the entire Mueller report as Justin Amash has admitted, and if they don't agree with his assessment, then what do they base their feelings on? And if they haven't read it, the follow up should be "Why haven't you? Doesn't fellow Republican Amash's conclusion give you pause and a need to form your own conclusion based on the report instead of how others portray what it says and doesn't say? Don't you think the issues surrounding this President are important enough for you to read the report yourself?"

#18 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-05-19 02:26 AM | Reply

Nancy Pelosi keeps saying that she wants to wait on impeachment until the evidence is there. But even as she says this, she keeps moving forward with an impeachment strategy – she simply isn't calling it that. If she announced tomorrow that impeachment has begun, it would largely consist of the same slow process we're seeing now: subpoena battles in court and carefully scheduled hearings. In fact, if Pelosi were calling it "impeachment" right now, Trump would boast that the necessarily slow and complex process was a sign that the Democrats had nothing on him.

Even as opportunist pundits and confused observers within the Resistance continue to yell and scream at Nancy Pelosi for not waving a magic wand at Donald Trump – or whatever it is they think they want her to be doing – the reality is that this process keeps tilting more heavily in her favor. When it comes to taking Donald Trump down, everything is lining up just as any realist with an understanding of the process would hope.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-05-19 02:34 AM | Reply

It wasn't until the tapes were discovered that the tide turned against Nixon towards impeachment.

After America hears from Mueller (+ McGahn, Flynn, ????) America may be ready to boot this -------.

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-19 04:29 AM | Reply

That means the Democrats need the majority of Americans to want impeachment before it starts.

That's not the position of Pelosi. Pelosi wants bipartisan (i.e. elected representatives in congress) agreement that impeachment is warranted. Given that many (most?) moderate republicans in the HOR lost their seats as a result of the 2018 mid terms, most (many?) republicans that are left in the HOR are right wingers.

The problem with elected dems is that they are to timid to do anything unless they are compelled by the base to take action. For them, political expediency (aka protecting their asses) takes precedent over everything else and that includes doing the right thing.

People want to vote for politicians that have the right instincts when it comes to issues they care about and the will to act on those instincts. That is what got Trump elected and doomed the HRC campaign. When a politician doesn't have much of a history, people have to project onto them their belief that (s)he will do the right thing. When a politician has a history (ala Biden), they know what they are getting. For many Black people and poor people in general, Biden's history is troubling; not troubling enough to vote for Trump but troubling enough not to be enthusiastic about showing up to vote in massive numbers. You can bet that if Biden were the nominee, republicans would exploit Biden's history in an attempt to suppress the Black and poor vote. No amount of cloaking himself in the "cloak of Obama" is going to change things because a whole lot of Black/poor folk are unhappy with the Obama presidency.

#21 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-05-19 06:53 AM | Reply

No it isn't, he (Trump) didn't commit any crimes.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackri

You're position, of course, is that he never committee a crime.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-19 09:07 AM | Reply

No it isn't, he (Trump) didn't commit any crimes.

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackri

Your position, of course, is that he never committed a crime.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-19 09:08 AM | Reply

it's fun watching all the Trump-humpers huff and puff while decrying the Democrats for not jumping into impeachment before the public is ripe

They'll be the same ones defending Trump throughout the impeachment process and mocking Dems for their failed effort after Senate Republicans vote to acquit. A rightwinger's opinion on impeaching Trump is worth just about nothing to me.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-19 09:16 AM | Reply

As long a majority of Americans believes there was no collusion, no obstruction, there will not be strong public support. That is the situation Barr and Trump have engineered through censorship. Democrat public hearings in the House are necessary to educate the public on the true facts, which continue to be obscured through censorship. A powerful State weapon in any language.

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-19 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Impeachment? How about a plan to fix medical care that makes it affordable for working class people?

#26 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-05-19 10:24 AM | Reply

"Impeachment? How about a plan to fix medical care that makes it affordable for working class people?"

Well, Donnie promised that, and the Republicans have been working on the issue since they first uttered "Repeal and Replace"...

... so I'm sure the plan will be announced any day now.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 10:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I'm sure the plan will be announced any day now.

He already said we won't see it until after the 2020 election.

He's like a cartoon swindler. To this day i don't understand how anyone falls for it.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-19 10:58 AM | Reply

Stockholm Syndrome.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 12:48 PM | Reply

"and under Senate rules the Senate shallcommence the trial the day after the articles are introduced by the House."

How long did the OJ trial last?
Why wouldn't this one be twice as long?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 01:12 PM | Reply

Other than Impeachment based on a vindictive witch-hunt, Democrats are offering nothing.

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-05-19 01:13 PM | Reply

"based on a vindictive witch-hunt"

Serious question: why do you accept a President who lies to you regularly, and expects you to swallow those lies on a daily basis?

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-19 03:25 PM | Reply

"Because it's better than Hillary" is really about as thoughtful an answer as you'll ever get, Danforth.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-19 03:32 PM | Reply

No it isn't, he didn't commit any crimes.

-Fat Andy Mattress

You are becoming an unhinged and uppity grifter.

You are also a habitual liar and a fraud.

You are gullible enough to be fooled and radicalized by Fox News, Breitbart, Infowars and other anti-American alt-right propaganda sources.

You wouldn't know what the truth was if came up and bit you on your enormous cellulite encrusted arse.

#34 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-19 04:38 PM | Reply

In order for impeachment to become a reality, Democrats need to build momentum toward it.

They seem to be doing the exact opposite of that.

Politically, they need to either crap or get off the pot as it pertains to impeachment IMO.

Trying to keep the issue alive without actually doing anything will grow wearisome for the public which doesn't help their 2020 chances.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 10:10 AM | Reply

It's weird to see rightwingers clamoring for immediate impeachment of the guy their party elected.

Here's a clue, maybe don't elect a human dumpster fire next time around and you won't have to blame democrats for not impeachinf him fast enough.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-20 10:21 AM | Reply

Joe,

I'm not sure #36 was directed at me....

I'm not blaming Democrats for anything. Impeachment is a political process and right now the public doesn't sufficiently support it.

Right now they are trying to build support for it. I don't think the tack they've taken so far has been successful.

If the public doesn't support it they'd be making a mistake to aggressively pursue it IMO.

I do understand the argument that were they to aggressively pursue it public support would build because Trump's awfulness would be on full display.

I just disagree with that because of Trump fatigue. Over 90% of the MSM coverage of this administration has been negative and that's in spite of a roaring economy and no new foreign policy entanglements. Fair or not, I think some people view all of this as 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' and will tune out all of the legit Trump criminal conduct.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 10:42 AM | Reply

90% of the MSM coverage of this administration has been negative

Even assuming that is true, Trump largely brings that on himself by being a complete dolt on a daily basis.

and that's in spite of a roaring economy

Are you suggesting the economy is not reported on?

no new foreign policy entanglements

Sucking up to dictators, trashing our intelligence services, breaking with our allies and failing to secure our election systems are "foreign policy entanglements" that will reverberate for decades. The fact that he hasn't (yet) put boots on the ground in another nation does not mean he isn't an abject failure when it comes to foreign policy.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-20 10:49 AM | Reply

Had a great talk visiting an out of town church.

The consensus: we couldn't vote for Trump but we sure as hell couldn't vote for Hillary. "Wasted votes."

That being said, the public will never come around enough for him to be impeached.

#39 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-20 11:51 AM | Reply

Public opinion has nothing to do with impeachment. [unless wishy washy dems need some 'moral support to 'pull the trigger]] That being said, guess how the dems will look if they try to impeach and fail - now that black eye would be make fun headlines.

#40 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-05-20 12:19 PM | Reply

Public opinion has nothing to do with impeachment.

Sure it does. Impeachment is a political remedy. Most political remedies require strong public support. This is why Dems have taken it off the table even though Trump has done plenty to warrant it.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 12:51 PM | Reply

The point of impeachment is to use it to so thoroughly expose Trump's crimes, most Americans decide he must go.
No it isn't, he didn't commit any crimes.

#2 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

No, that's not what the Report said. Can't you read?

The Report said they didn't find substantive evidence of illegal collusion (coordination) with Russia. But that substantial records were destroyed before being turned over.

The Report did say there was significant evidence of Obstruction but did not come to a conclusion on whether it was a crime. Only Barr jumped in and said it wasn't. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the authority to decide that issue.

Worse, even IF crimes weren't committed, the President still should be impeached.

1. Trump knew he was getting illegal help from Russia (in the Report).
2. He lied about it to the American people repeatedly.
3. He didn't tell the DOJ, FBI, or any other oversight or investigation body.
4. He encouraged the illegal help at Rallies.
5. He tried to shut down the investigation repeatedly even though illegal help had occurred and he knew it.

HOW does 1-5 not warrant Impeachment?

#42 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-05-20 03:50 PM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

The problem with all of that is impeachment is a political process and in order for it to succeed it requires strong public support.

As a political issue it doesn't have said support which is why Dems have taken it off the table while coyly suggesting that they haven't.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-20 04:09 PM | Reply

HOW does 1-5 not warrant Impeachment?

Mueller would have said that same thing about conspiracy that he said about obstruction if there was evidence on any of 1-4 sufficient to punt that issue to Congress. There wasn't, so he didn't.

There is sufficient evidence to impeach on number 5, but I guess the Dems are "trying" to be "smart" about it, if Corky/Tony/Dannie etc are to be believed.

I'm not buying it...start impeachment now, there is enough evidence of obstruction.

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-20 04:32 PM | Reply

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