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The College Board is rolling out a new system that assigns SAT test-takers a score based on the environment they grew up in.

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It's interesting. I've never felt that knowing the parts of speech was instrumental in determining success, but dumbing down STEM requirements is just going to result in less qualified students appearing to be better suited to a course of study than they actually are. It's a short step from here to dumbing down academic requirements based on socioeconomic background.

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"We're trying to shine a light on resourcefulness on students who do more with less," Coleman said. "What is scarce is resourcefulness. It's not just that you grew up with adversity but that you did so much with it."

Before you enter Officer Training for the Air Force, you have to take a test that scores your overall aptitude for problem solving. You can purchase study guides for the test, but they only provide familiarity. It's not something that you can study for. Examples include showing a complex shape from one perspective, and then making the tester choose the same shape from a different perspective from a number of similar shapes. The test also included short data analysis sections where you had to quickly determine patters in a data set.

It's a pretty hard test, but it would be able to gauge aptitude more or less independent of academic background. In fact it's possible that someone without any formal education would do better than someone who just graduated as valedictorian.

#1 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-17 11:38 AM | Reply

Who will judge the rigor of their high schools? How will socio-economic status be determined? Will good kids from good schools in the north and west get disenfranchised by kids from states with crappy schools? I hope the next headline is "Universities abandon SAT as entry criteria".

#2 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-17 12:16 PM | Reply

Meritocracy has been so eroded in academia one might as well dispense with standardized testing and admit students on how high they score in the Intersectional Olympics. If you're a transgender of color, you're in. If a white male, go pound sand.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-17 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, rich parents are no longer gonna claim their kid was on the rowing team, but are gonna lie that they were share-croppers?

#4 | Posted by Spork at 2019-05-17 12:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"So, rich parents are no longer gonna claim their kid was on the rowing team, but are gonna lie that they were share-croppers"

Yep. Lori Laughlin is moving her family to Alabama any day now.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-17 12:30 PM | Reply

"If a white male, go pound sand."

Oh, the poor white male victims who are rich kids.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-17 12:36 PM | Reply

What about the poor white male? You know, your kids.

#7 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-05-17 12:43 PM | Reply

The SAT is an entrance exam. You're not really helping anyone much by reducing the standards for students to gain admission into a program when they haven't demonstrated the aptitude to succeed in it. The next logical step would have to be reducing academic standards for those students, or deal with the reality of them performing poorly-which would likely again be blamed on racism or classism.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-17 12:53 PM | Reply

White males will only get in if at least one parent is gay or a person of color in the new Intersectional Admissions System.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-17 12:56 PM | Reply

"The SAT is an entrance exam."

So is legacy status.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-17 02:03 PM | Reply

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Rich Ivy League school brats already get admitted regardless of academic performance. Ivy league schools, unlike most State Universities, have sluff classes which give you an automatic good grade without doing any work. That's how the two academic morons BushII and Trump made it through college. Their diplomas are prestigious and open many opportunities not available to ordinary people.

This change seems out of time and place given the current political winds in a country where family name and wealth trumps performance every time. So this change will have some effect of leveling the playing field for some people. I would be very surprised if it helps any of the native Americans we routinely slaughtered.

#11 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-19 08:50 AM | Reply

This may result in smart kids going to poor schools to give them an edge in college admissions. Or not. Maybe nothing will happen.

#12 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-05-19 09:06 AM | Reply

Very misleading headline in both the original article and this thread. Nothing is being "added" to anyone's "exam score." The testing company is merely providing additional context alongside the score, which univerisites are free to discard if they deem it irrelevant.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-19 09:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Grievance Proxies

The College Board plans to introduce a new "adversity score" as a backdoor to racial quotas in college admissions.

"The SAT's critics notwithstanding, no alternative measure of student capacity exists that better predicts student success. "Leadership," "character," "persistence" -- all these earlier attempts to come up with a more politically palatable proxy for racial preferences are far less valid as a measure of academic capacity than the SAT. The College Board's "adversity score" will be no different. And it will subject its alleged beneficiaries to the same problem as overt racial preferences -- academic mismatch. Students admitted to a selective college with significantly weaker academic credentials than the school norm will, on average, struggle to keep up in their classes. Many will switch out of demanding majors like the STEM fields; a significant portion will drop out of college entirely. Had those artificially preferred students enrolled in a college for which they were academically prepared, like their non-preferred peers, they would have a much higher chance of graduating in their chosen field of study. There is no shame or handicap in graduating from a non-elite college. The proponents of racial preferences, like all "woke" advocates, claim to be against privilege. Yet those anti-privilege warriors adopt a blatantly elitist view of college, holding, in essence, that attending a name-brand college is the only route to life success."

www.city-journal.org

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-19 09:49 AM | Reply

We already know this information. We ask for your parent's tax returns, so we don't really need anyone to tell us what neighborhood you live in. We know what high school you went to. We know how many people are on free and reduced lunches at that high school. And, more importantly, we know how much money your parents make. And, honestly, we don't care about that as much as we care about you being out of state (you pay us more money) or international (you pay us more money AND you're "diverse.") We'd like you to only market to you if we know you're going to enroll, and we'd like you to be a success (we're not monsters) but every year we have application, and enrollment deposit numbers we need to hit. Diversity is not what we're watching like a hawk every May first. It's enrollment deposits, every, single, year.

I see 2 things here:

Data analytics are huge in college admissions right now. We are trying to fill our funnel with applicants that can pay, can succeed, and are likely to enroll. There are a lot of companies trying to sell us algorithms that predict all of this, and this score seems tailor made to fit into those algorithms. These guys: capturehighered.com and these guys: www.ruffalonl.com and these guys: www.cappex.com and so many more. They're all about collecting data, adding buzzwords like AI and Machine Learning and Algorithms (!) to the data, and then selling the output to college admissions. This will just be another variable in the function they run on the data and may, or may not, increase the validity of these services.

Also - The SAT isn't the only score in town and many colleges have dropped the SAT's writing test (read - less revenue for SAT.) They have to continue to find compelling reasons for college applicants to take their test. This extra score is a signal to poorer parents that they should take the SAT because they'll get special consideration. But those applicants are already getting exactly this kind of special consideration, anyway. Sure this is an easier way for a college admissions worker to digest it, but this new score just makes the information easier to read the screen. The same decision was going to be made either way.

The best way into college is to have a high gpa, high test scores, don't commit any crimes or be disciplined by your school, and don't be a jerk in your essay. Stuff like what the SAT is doing here is just -------- snake oil sold to people who don't understand the process. Skip the SAT and take the ACT instead - it's (a little) cheaper.

#15 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-05-19 10:29 AM | Reply

All a waist of time. College is going to be free for all.
~AOC

#16 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-05-19 10:33 AM | Reply

Once a 36 waist, I'm now a 40 waist.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-19 10:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Rich Ivy League school brats already get admitted regardless of academic performance."

By the time your rich Ivy League Brats reach college, they've already attended a plethora of expensive prep schools that have ensured their academic scores are above par. Unless you're Lori Laughlin, who seems to have been content to let her daughters look cute on Instagram, until she realized that they weren't going to get into college without her paying someone off.

The real advantage to admitting rich Ivy League students is that it allows the schools to admit those who aren't rich at a discount, or even cost free.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-19 11:11 AM | Reply

--The real advantage to admitting rich Ivy League students is that it allows the schools to admit those who aren't rich at a discount, or even cost free.

Let's reduce inequality and class privilege. Abolish the Ivy League. It's a device to reduplicate the elite.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-19 11:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

A White Man who has the temerity to cry unfair...i'm a little white boy and i'm being discriminated against..I won't be able to grow up and assume my rightful place at the head of the table.
who will discriminate against women and people of color if the white man is disenfranchised?
For all Real Men, some of whom happen to be white, I apologize

#20 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-05-19 11:33 AM | Reply

--who will discriminate against women and people of color if the white man is disenfranchised?

Like asians? Aren't they people of color?

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-19 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

don't understand your post..i assume you're crying about asians screwing you over or something

Say what's on your mind, i.e. "White men are having to share/even give up their hard fought for power and they are damn well butt hurt and it shouldn't be fair because they are WHITE MEN (like god)"

#22 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-05-19 01:17 PM | Reply

Ivy league schools, unlike most State Universities, have sluff classes...

One is PRIVATE and so free to run as they see fit.

The other is PUBLIC that uses TAX Money and can and do put people in prison for breaking laws.

One can have parents do whatever they need to do to get their offspring in.

The other.... you go to prison.

Lori Laughlin picked the wrong one.

#23 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-05-19 01:18 PM | Reply

Will the oppressed White Male ever catch a break?

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-19 01:26 PM | Reply

Sigh.

Just sigh.

And the fact that so many Libs sarcastically bring up white people here obviously don't understand that white people make up a larger percent of the people that these changes apply to. This whole racism against white people because a small portion of them are rich and get whatever they want truly shows how bad Liberals have become, since they actually believe one form of racism is OK while demonizing other forms. It's quite pathetic.

#25 | Posted by humtake at 2019-05-20 12:20 PM | Reply

they actually believe one form of racism is OK while demonizing other forms.
#25 | POSTED BY DUMTAKE

"Racist" isn't a race. Its perfectly okay for us to be against racists. Quit crying. We settled this in 1865; this country doesn't tolerate racists. Go move to some middle eastern right wing -------- if you want to be a racist.

#26 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-20 01:39 PM | Reply

"Say what's on your mind, i.e. "White men are having to share/even give up their hard fought for power and they are damn well butt hurt and it shouldn't be fair because they are WHITE MEN (like god)"

I would say it's more the Asians being forced to share/give up their share for the benefit of someone else. Asians have traditionally been one of the most discriminated races in this country. There were anti-Chinese laws on the books in California up until the mid 1960s.

But boy, did they show us.

"Will the oppressed White Male ever catch a break?"

Or the Asian female.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-20 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Its perfectly okay for us to be against racists."

Like ending the prejudicial treatment of Asian Americans by holding them to a higher academic standard than students of other races?

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-20 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What about jews? Jews tend to be pretty successful as a whole?

is it time for another boot to the throat to put them in their place?

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-20 09:39 PM | Reply

What are you even rambling about? What does any of that have to do with a testing company providing a little context to universities alongside an applicant's test score? Jesus christ, rightwingers are the biggest reactionary snowflakes on earth.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-20 10:55 PM | Reply

This is a stupid idea. Really, really stupid.

#31 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-05-20 11:15 PM | Reply

"Like ending the prejudicial treatment of Asian Americans by holding them to a higher academic standard than students of other races?"

Asian parents do that to their own Asian kids.

Are Asian parents racist?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-20 11:56 PM | Reply

"What are you even rambling about?"

The article. Did you read it?

"What does any of that have to do with a testing company providing a little context to universities alongside an applicant's test score?"

Because they're not adding context based on the experiences of the individual...they're adding context based on demographic information. Individual context IS provided through testing by demonstrating academic achievement. Other context is provided by letters of recommendation, student essays, etc.

"Jesus christ, rightwingers are the biggest reactionary snowflakes on earth."

Reactionary huh?

Maybe the most popular pejorative that communists would use to describe those who they disagree with...right behind fascist.

#33 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-21 08:13 AM | Reply

Because they're not adding context based on the experiences of the individual...they're adding context based on demographic information.

So what?
What is the harm?

#34 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-21 08:31 AM | Reply

"So what? What is the harm?""

I don't guess there is any "harm" in it. About like giving some extra points for being good looking or having nice handwriting.

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-21 06:05 PM | Reply

#35 Nobody is getting "extra points" you illiterate, it's a separate point of information altogether.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-21 10:59 PM | Reply

"#35 Nobody is getting "extra points" you illiterate, it's a separate point of information altogether."

Did you read the Twitter feeds?

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-21 11:34 PM | Reply

"Because they're not adding context based on the experiences of the individual...they're adding context based on demographic information."

Because that's what context is.

The SAT scores themselves in Math, Reading, or whatever they call it these days, are the experiences of the individual.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-21 11:59 PM | Reply

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