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Friday, May 17, 2019

A National Farmers Union executive and active Wisconsin dairy farmer joined Midwest agricultural leaders this week in condemning President Donald Trump's ongoing trade war with China, warning of increased financial stress and suicide among farmers.

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I understand the White House is worried about the farmers. Worried for their own sakes, not for theirs.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 07:58 AM | Reply

They conned the farmers into voting for them with their MAGAt -------- and then proceed to bend them over without the benefit of lube.

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-17 08:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's Spring. The farmers don't know what to plant. Again.

If they burn I suggest they make Trump burn with them.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 08:17 AM | Reply

I sympathize to a point but, hey I'm sorry, everyone knew this guy had the morals of a snake and was and is a con man. Pretend you didn't know all you want, you knew.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-17 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

My new nickname for Trump:

FeS2

#5 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-05-17 10:17 AM | Reply

--crackdown on immigration, which has made labor scarce, & natural disasters caused by climate change.

They got all the leftist talking points in there. Open borders so they don't have to pay higher wages and blame global warming.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-17 10:20 AM | Reply

Corporate farmers made the mistake of signing huge contracts with the mega-agriculture vultures. Many of the contracts stipulate that they take out huge loans for equipment, out buildings, lease extra acreage, and only purchase through corporate approved supply chains. In the case of seed/fert manufacturers, they are at the contractually obligated to purchase seed/feed at whatever they say it is.

Farmers where sold a plan and signed a contract based on high volumes and razor thin margins (for them). Of course, the thin margins are code for red ink.

Beans and corn were never intended to pay anyone except the corporations. Farmers were hoodwinked, and are now crying about the markets instead of the corporations.

Farmers: grow food for people. Become a local supplier to the food chain. Get off the corporate teat that always runs dry.

Produce food for America. Not beans and corn for the commodities markets.

#7 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:17 AM | Reply

We're importing the vast majority of our food products.

This is a recipe for disaster.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:18 AM | Reply

Poultry and hog farmers are slaves to Tyson, Purdue...hog farmers to Smithfield and Cargill.

Meanwhile, they're destroying the environment and poisoning their lands and waterways

trying to keep a super-farm alive. Buy Local. Buy Organic. Buy Real Food.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Buy Local.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-0

The irony. No, the arrogance. Talk to one of those local farmers Trump is ruining.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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The farmers at farmers markets roll in with a full truck and leave empty.

You're a fool, Zed

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:26 AM | Reply

If this trade war doesn't end with notable benefits to US farmers in the next maybe two months, kiss the farming States good-bye in 2020, Donald Trump. This fire under El Jefe's ass is the only hope local, independent farmers have going for them at the moment.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 11:27 AM | Reply

The farmers at farmers markets roll in with a full truck and leave empty.

#11 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Not if they lose their farms.

I live amongst farmers and ranchers, Pendejo.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 11:28 AM | Reply

We have farmers killing themselves in increasing numbers and some city boy wants to tell them how good they've got it.

Lucky they were never soldiers and went to war, am I right?

You guys are -------- not to recognize how many were and did.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 11:31 AM | Reply

"trying to keep a super-farm alive. Buy Local. Buy Organic. Buy Real Food."

Next week I leave for Switzerland. After a few days there seeing family and friends I am going to Morocco to work on a 3 hectare farm outside of Fes for three months. I'm totally jacked. My host and I and a dozen or so other volunteers are transitioning his farm to one that is all-organic and fully sustainable. In return for what amounts to a half days work for 6 weeks, I get free room and board and a guide to show me around Morocco. And the food... can't wait!

#15 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-05-17 11:31 AM | Reply

- I live amongst farmers and ranchers

I had a farm. I leased a large portion to a bean and hay farmer, where I got free hay for my horses and goats.

I know the whole story and how it works. It doesn't work, It just produces product for the corporations and the farmers-workers end up broke.

I knew the poultry, beef, and hog farmers in western Virginia where I listened to their stories and saw the destruction brought on by corporate promises.

You're an idiot, Pendejo.

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:34 AM | Reply

"They got all the leftist talking points in there."

Yeah! Those damned lefty farmers.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-17 11:34 AM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

That's awesome!!

#18 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:35 AM | Reply

- We have farmers killing themselves in increasing numbers

Because of unsustainable dept that they can never repay.

Because the signed on the promise that was never intended to be fulfilled.

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:37 AM | Reply

Because the signed on the promise that was never intended to be fulfilled.
#19 |

I don't know how it works -- what are the big corporations promising the farmers?

#20 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-05-17 11:38 AM | Reply

"The election of Barack Obama in November 2008 was largely seen as a win for NFU, who had graded each of the candidates based on their policies. Obama received a perfect 100 percent rating, based on his support of the 2008 Farm Bill and a renewable fuel standard. On the other hand, the organization gave John McCain a grade of zero percent, in part because he was in favor of reducing subsidies for ethanol and food products. The NFU typically supports liberal policies, such as increased government and environmental regulation, anti-trust activities, and social safety net programs.[16][17]"

Leftwing activist group that wanted to keep the ethanol subsidy.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-17 11:39 AM | Reply

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism

To be a small farmer means risk and sacrifice. always.

Trump took the risk. Guess who is sacrificing?

Guess who is worried about their future and their families?

Meanwhile, Donald Trump makes millions each year off the Office of the Presidency. Off of freaking public office.

Sooner or later warped elitism will catch up with all you evil sumbitches.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The only people who consistently connive to lower wages are capitalists. For Nulli to pretend liberals are responsible for this outcome is one more grotesque misrepresentation of the facts. It's become a regular pattern.

#23 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-17 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Whether farming commodities is an unrealistic dream or not, it doesn't refute the cliam that Trump's trade war is increasing farm bankruptcies and farmer suicides.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-17 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Leftwing activist group that wanted to keep the ethanol subsidy."

And now Nulli is stunned advocacy groups actually advocate.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-17 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NULLI and others want American farmers to vote for Trump and then eat sh-- and die quietly.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-17 11:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Farmers over-leveraged and over-extended huge loans for land and equipment that would only pay-off under limited scenarios; slim margins for unrealistic production, or subsidies. They made a life changing mistake.

Tell me Zed, when have mega farmers taken a dubfflebag of money to the bank in the last 40 years?

Small, sustainable farming has ALWAYS been the answer to making a living. Not over-extended debt-saddled farming.

#27 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:51 AM | Reply

Nulli wants farmers to stop asking for welfare.

Sugar Subsidies Are Welfare for the Rich
America's biggest welfare recipients are often politically connected corporations.

reason.com

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-17 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"increased financial stress and suicide among farmers."

Let the weak farmers kill themselves.

It's better in the long run.

#MAGA

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-17 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Farmers over-leveraged and over-extended huge loans {...} They made a life changing mistake."

STFU. It's called the loan approval process. Farmers aren't entering these deals solo; banks are also signing on the bottom line, and for profit purposes. Where is their responsibility in your equation?

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-17 12:03 PM | Reply

#15 Nerf

That sounds like an incredible experience in front of you. Bang the ---- out of Leia while you are there and you will have achieved nirvana.

Joking aside it really does sound awesome. It conjures images of the movie "City Slickers".

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-17 12:06 PM | Reply

- Where is their responsibility in your equation?

Guilty as charged. see my Bernie bank rip off thread.

#32 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 12:15 PM | Reply

The farmer and tariff situation is the very epitome of American politics today. It is pretty much the shining example that illustrates the hypocrisy inherent in partisan politics, mainly because of how easy it is to understand. Liberals hate farmers so much they work harder every election cycle to ensure rural votes don't count. Yet, then they love farmers as soon as they are being negatively impacted by Republican policies. Republicans cater so much to rural America that they use their votes as proof the Electoral College is needed. Yet, then they completely ignore them when it comes to creating legislation that is supposed to have their best interests incorporated.

That's the bar. If you can't understand that and see how it illustrates just how terrible partisan politics are, then should definitely not be voting. On the flip side, if you are someone who understands, please run for office. We need to fill the government with people who are willing to work together, not be hypocritical about every single issue just because opinions differ.

#33 | Posted by humtake at 2019-05-17 12:39 PM | Reply

MAGA and WINNING, farmers. You voted for him!

#34 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-05-17 02:08 PM | Reply

Where is their responsibility in your equation?

Apparently not in the Oval Office.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 02:19 PM | Reply

You voted for him!

And they will again.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 02:20 PM | Reply

STFU. It's called the loan approval process. Farmers aren't entering these deals solo; banks are also signing on the bottom line, and for profit purposes. Where is their responsibility in your equation?

#30 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The farmers signed exclusive contracts with Monsanto, ADM, Tyson, Cargill, and the likes. They bought or leased millions of acres, then leased or financed millions of dollars worth of tractors and implements, sheds and outbuildings in an attempt to mass-produce beans, corn, poultry and hogs on razor-thin margins for overseas buying contracts and hopes for subsidies.

What could go wrong? Apparently, everything.

Farm small. Farm food for people. Buy Local. Buy organic.

Say no to factory farming and Big-Ag. They're killing the planet and the watershed.

Are you a climate denier?

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Are you a climate denier?"

Are you an idiot? What does that have to do with the loan approval process?!?

To your points, the bride and I have been part of a CSA for over a decade. We source meats and dairy as well. I abhor monoculture, and agree it's effing up the watershed.

That said, blaming the farmers for trying to make money under the assumption we wouldn't have a chimpanzee in the White House is callous, at best.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-17 03:01 PM | Reply

"The farmers signed exclusive contracts with Monsanto, ADM, Tyson, Cargill, and the likes. They bought or leased millions of acres"

What a surprise that they are losing it all to debt after voting for the Debt King!

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-17 03:17 PM | Reply

We're importing the vast majority of our food products.
This is a recipe for disaster.

#8 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2019-05-17 11:18 AM | FLAG:

uhhhhh when's the last time you bought food imported from china? we get a few things from mexico, but we're making enough food.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-17 05:06 PM | Reply

#37 Not every farmer that's failing signed a deal with a mega agribusiness, not every organic local farmer is making it. Stop peddling your myopia. Your experience isn't the entirety of the world.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-17 05:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

uhhhhh ...
#40 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

www.nytimes.com

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 05:29 PM | Reply

#41 | POSTED BY JOE

Local family farms with less than a few hundred acres and a couple paid-for tractors aren't doing business with China.
If they ARE growing spray beans and cow corn, they're just taking it to the local co-op for market price.

Food farms are work. Spray farms are lazy, and they'll never make money. Same with hot house chickens and hogs.

The required investments in feed systems and housing stipulated in the contracts negates any potential profits.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 05:38 PM | Reply

We're importing the vast majority of our food products.
This is a recipe for disaster.

#8 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Most of America's fruit.

Is not the same as the vast majority of our food products Comrade.

Regardless... this is all part of The Plan.

Reduce the available food and you reduce the population and we will ALL live better lives.

--Trump/Thanos 2020

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-17 05:40 PM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

The chart in the article that you didn't read shows us approaching 50% fruits and over 40% vegetables.

...and rising steadily.

Most of the meat is factory farmed under conditions you're not allowed to videotape.

You're a stooge. These farms are poisoning the land and waterways.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 05:46 PM | Reply

--Reduce the available food and you reduce the population and we will ALL live better lives.

I've heard that strategy put forth seriously. By radical environmentalists.

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-17 05:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Anybody having ground turkey for dinner?

Would you even dare?

#47 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 05:53 PM | Reply

Local family farms with less than a few hundred acres and a couple paid-for tractors aren't doing business with China.

The drop in demand affects prices for everyone you illiterate ----.

Food farms are work. Spray farms are lazy, and they'll never make money. Same with hot house chickens and hogs.

Why are you blabbing out this information? Are you saying every bankrupt farmer has a spray farm and didnt work? Why all the red herrings and generalizations?

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-17 06:11 PM | Reply

Why all the red herrings and generalizations?

It's an attempt to muddy the waters and lessen Trump's blame for his actions.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 06:32 PM | Reply

You're a stooge. These farms are poisoning the land and waterways.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism

And you are a fool if you stop there.

The problem is bigger than outsourcing our food. It is bigger than getting onto alternate energy, its bigger climate change. Reduce the total population of the planet and our effects on the climate would be less also.

We have too many humans on the planet because we make too much food! It as basic scientific fact. Reduce the resources available and the population will drop.

And right now we are eating everything. We think everything is here for us to eat. We take up all the space from any other life form. And so we push species out of existence. For us to make more food. For us. To make more people to make more food. WE ARE POOPING IN OUR OWN RICE BOWL.

What do you think living on this planet will be like when we double our population again to 15 billion people?

I am thinking Blade Runner.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-17 06:32 PM | Reply

--We have too many humans on the planet because we make too much food! It as basic scientific fact. Reduce the resources available and the population will drop.

That's true. When you starve people they die and don't reproduce. Now go out and advocate reducing food production. Hope you're prepared to be accused of genocide. Daniel Quinn, author of the ludicrous Ishmael, has some videos on youtube promoting that philosophy.

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-17 06:38 PM | Reply

#50 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Jesus. you forgot to mention the gas chambers and ovens.

#52 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 06:53 PM | Reply

It's an attempt to muddy the waters and lessen Trump's blame for his actions.
#49 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Trump is to blame for 50 years of corporate farming propaganda?
For crushing family farms and spreading pesticides and herbicides for 30+ years?

Don't forget antibiotics in meat, the waste runoff into the rivers, and proliferation of antibiotic resistant superbugs.

Don't forget Dow dumping chems in the 70's and 80's. All the Fat Orange man's fault.

#53 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 07:00 PM | Reply

read the article.

#54 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-05-17 07:08 PM | Reply

We elected an abject ------ president.

This is a recipe for disaster.

#8 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Fixed.

youtu.be

#55 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-18 10:47 AM | Reply

My mother hat two gardens on our place. Each was less than a half acre. One for fall the other for spring. With that, she grew enough food to supply us year round with fruit and veggies and she probably gave away twice as much as we kept to family and friends. She fertilized with manure and lime. The dairy down the way gave the manure to her just to haul it off. Each year we bought a bull dairy calf for $50 dollars and raised it for beef. Dad also raised one hog a year for meat. On top of that mom had laying hens that produced enough eggs for dad to sell at work. Mom owned a beauty salon until she was about 29-30 yrs old. She sold it and decided to take care of her family. It was awesome. I want to retire early and do something similar. Forgot to add that although dad did have a tractor it was mainly used for planting the 6 acre field in corn, which they gave away. The garden implements were a gravely walk behind then a Troy built tiller later on.

I can see that with the 12 acres they had they easily could have turned it into a business.

#56 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-05-18 11:54 AM | Reply

#56 When I had the farm, we were giving away veggies and eggs too. I don't think we ever had less than 2-3 dozen eggs in the fridge, and that was with only 4 hens.
We had so much canned veggies it filled a walk-in closet. I never got a steer calf, but we did buy local grass-fed beef. The food we grew was the best tasting meals we ever had.

#57 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 12:03 PM | Reply

57.

Mom had as many as 50 hens at one time. Back in '79 she was selling yard eggs for $2 a dozen.

#58 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-05-18 12:28 PM | Reply

Sheep,

hmm....

you convinced me I need to put more effort into buying local at markets.

#59 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-05-18 04:09 PM | Reply

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