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whataboutism noun [hwuht-uh-bou-tiz-uhm, wuht‐, hwot‐, wot‐] a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else's misconduct, implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely blameless: Excusing your mistakes with whataboutism is not the same as defending your record.

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How is whataboutism used?

Whataboutism appears to broaden context, to offer a counterpoint, when really it's diverting blame, muddying the waters and confusing ... rational listeners.

-D.Zak

The best response to whataboutism has historically been to say that while, yes, other countries have their faults, injustice should not be tolerated anywhere.

-O.Khazan

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"...implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely blameless: Excusing your mistakes with whataboutism... "

I disagree with this obvious attempt to manipulate definitions, purpose, intent, and to declare victory.

Hypocrites never want to clean their own house. In fact, they don't even want anyone to look through the windows at the mess inside. They just want to throw mud and pretend you made the mess.

The cry of "whataboutism" is a deflection, in and of itself, attempting to hide double standards, incompetence, malfeasance, and is just a ruse for the lazy and dishonest.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-16 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

To be honest, it's a powerful argument around here. You use it quite effectively Comrade.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-16 12:23 PM | Reply

But what about strawmen?

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2019-05-16 12:28 PM | Reply

They just want to throw mud and pretend you made the mess.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-16 12:09 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Sometimes no one's pretending.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-16 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 is Whataboutism a type of strawman?

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-16 12:43 PM | Reply

No, but my post was attempting to be both whataboutism and a strawman.

#6 | Posted by qcp at 2019-05-16 01:01 PM | Reply

Whataboutism is a subject of discussion now?

Hurry Jeff! Finally a topic you actually know something about!

Jeff could teach advanced courses on whataboutism.

Your wife can finally let you out of the basement and possibly start respecting you again. Possibly.

#7 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 01:04 PM | Reply

"Your wife can finally let you out of the basement and possibly start respecting you again. Possibly."

Let's not get carried away here. We both know that's not going to happen.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-16 01:11 PM | Reply

I only teach those advanced courses if I get paid, Clown.

No degree for you unless you pony up.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 02:07 PM | Reply

Your wife can finally let you out of the basement and possibly start respecting you again. Possibly.

#7 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

She refers to me as, "The Gimp."

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 02:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#10 That's funny...same thing RCADE calls Corky. Oops...was that whataboutism?

#11 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-16 03:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The Dem media is lying about Biden's poll numbers - www.youtube.com

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-16 03:34 PM | Reply

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#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-16 03:36 PM | Reply

#10

That's disgusting you ableist!!!

-BoyDirkBadweekCooperStruan

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-16 03:56 PM | Reply

The cry of "whataboutism" is a deflection, in and of itself, attempting to hide double standards, incompetence, malfeasance, and is just a ruse for the lazy and dishonest.
#1 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Sheep both knows this and uses "whataboutism" regularly. Not a very sneaky troll, are you sheep?

#15 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-16 07:07 PM | Reply

You obviously have a reading comprehension problem, Jones. Are you illiterate, ignorant, or just dumb?

#16 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-16 07:15 PM | Reply

"Whataboutism" is shorthand for 'it's different when my team does it, because of reasons. Quit pointing out the hypocrisy'.

#17 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-05-16 11:04 PM | Reply

Speaking of, whatever happened to Goatman? I'm hoping he didn't finally ship off

#18 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-05-17 01:22 AM | Reply

The cry of "whataboutism" is a deflection, in and of itself, attempting to hide double standards, incompetence, malfeasance, and is just a ruse for the lazy and dishonest.
#1 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Don't worry sheeple, nobody expects intellectual rigor from you.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-17 09:01 AM | Reply

#17 the hypocrisy argument is for mental midgets.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-17 09:40 AM | Reply

#20 Agreed. Most hypocrites are indeed mental midgets.

#21 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-17 10:45 AM | Reply

is it a valid argument?

Of course not.

Whataboutism is an argument against the person; a form of ad hominem. If person A says "Trump is bad because _____," and Person B says "whatabout Obama," that is not a valid defense of ______, it is just an attack on Person A for not having some filmed or notarized proof that they adequately objected to purportedly similar conduct in the past.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-17 10:52 AM | Reply

sure, hypocrite.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-17 11:03 AM | Reply

Excellent argument.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-17 11:33 AM | Reply

If person A says "Trump is bad because _____," and Person B says "whatabout Obama," that is not a valid defense of ______, it is just an attack on Person A for not having some filmed or notarized proof that they adequately objected to purportedly similar conduct in the past.

If "whataboutism" isn't valid, then we have moral relativism, if we go down that path, then why even discuss anything, with anybody at any time.

We have no common ground, you won't hold "Obama" to the same standard you are holding "Trump". Whats the point in discussing anything with you.

In a marriage, society, or friendship this isn't fair or just.

it is just an attack on Person A for not having some filmed or notarized proof that they adequately objected to purportedly similar conduct in the past.

This is a strawman.

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-17 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"hypocrite"

Tu Quoque gets the highest mileage of any logical fallacy on the DR.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-17 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

you won't hold "Obama" to the same standard you are holding "Trump". Whats the point in discussing anything with you.

Great point. Don't ever discuss anything with me again. Problem solved.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-17 11:57 AM | Reply

20 Agreed. Most hypocrites are indeed mental midgets.

#21 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Dig deep enough into any of our posting histories and you could likely find an example of hypocrisy.

Choking in with that lame argument is only for those with nothing useful to add beyond partisan s$&@ posting.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-17 12:54 PM | Reply

If "whataboutism" isn't valid, then we have moral relativism, if we go down that path, then why even discuss anything, with anybody at any time.

Color me surprised Andreawindsock loves whataboutism.

Btw that line is such logical garbage it's making me gag.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-17 12:55 PM | Reply

I come here to dicuss issues. I prefer the Argument Clinic for real contradictons.

#30 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-05-17 06:40 PM | Reply

"Won't hold Obama to Trump's standard. "

Troll much? It's well established Obama would never have gotten away with 1/50th of the crap Trump has done in two years.

You, and them, are still irreparably deplorable

#31 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-05-18 06:08 AM | Reply

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