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Thursday, May 16, 2019

Not since 1986 has the U.S. seen so few babies born. And it's an ongoing slump: 2018 was the fourth consecutive year of birth declines, according to the provisional birthrate report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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"It's a national problem," says Dowell Myers, a demographer at the University of Southern California.

"The birthrate is a barometer of despair," Myers says in response to the CDC data. Explaining that idea, he says young people won't make plans to have babies unless they're optimistic about the future."

"From January 2009 to December 2017, 36.6 million American jobs were lost. That's more jobs than were lost during the Great Recession," Damaske says. "So, even though the unemployment rate is better, companies are still using layoffs to maintain profits at the expense of their workers."

Good thing we don't have any immigrants to replace those lost workers, right?

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-15 08:16 PM | Reply

Robot jobs. Build more robots.

Wasn't that your answer before you latched onto the immigration issue?

yes, it was.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-15 08:22 PM | Reply

Tell us that one again about how you are against Open Borders?

That's hilarious!

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-15 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What are Open Borders?

Is that what we have under Trump?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 08:29 PM | Reply

Feminists have done a great job of making "motherhood" a dirty word, something akin to slavery.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-15 08:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

#2

Sheeple speak with Trumped tongue.

- Open Borders?

RoCotton just lies outright... but then, "lawyer", so that's his job.

It appears that anyone who is concerned about a low birth rate and jobs going unfilled is not for rational immigration laws.... you know, that don't include caging kids, but they must be for "open borders!".

Kinda like Bernie must be just like Stalin because "Socialist!".

One might have thought, once upon a time, that some rwingers were smarter than that.

C'est la vie. I guess the Montessori School of Real Estate Law doesn't produce any brighter grads than does Bob Jones U.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-15 09:44 PM | Reply

This is a positive trend in that most if our problems would be alleviated if there were fewer people.

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-16 11:00 AM | Reply

Well the 1% ain't gonna like having to pay higher wages when the labor pool starts shrinking.

#8 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-16 11:05 AM | Reply

This is a positive trend in that most if our problems would be alleviated if there were fewer people.

Those "problems" are designed to create Democrat voters. Fewer people means less democrat votes. That's also why they dont want to stem illegal immigration.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-05-16 11:16 AM | Reply

"Feminists have done a great job of making "motherhood" a dirty word, something akin to slavery."

Come on, go full Limbaugh Nulli, the word is FemiNazi! And tell the FemiNazis to stay off your lawn while you're at it.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-16 11:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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Who the hell would want to bring a child into THIS world! ....Except of course for those expecting the rapture, I guess they have an excuse.

#11 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-05-16 12:08 PM | Reply

Shouldn't the Left be celebrating this?

"Having children is one of the most destructive things you can to do the environment, say researchers

One fewer child per family can save 'average of 58.6 tonnes of CO2-equivalent emissions per year'

www.independent.co.uk

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-16 12:12 PM | Reply

Feminists have done a great job of making "motherhood" a dirty word, something akin to slavery.
#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

People say you haven't changed.

But Nulli that you used to be would have been happy to hear over population was slowing down.

Remember all your 2 parents 1 child posts.

Seriously. What happened to you? Reborn Christian? Did you pray the gay away and are now repenting?

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Shouldn't the Left be celebrating this?
#12 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

So. You're on the right now.

Like I said. You've changed. At least you admit it.

#14 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 12:15 PM | Reply

Those "problems" are designed to create Democrat voters. Fewer people means less democrat votes.
#9 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Then you should be ecstatic.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 12:18 PM | Reply

I would bet lots of money that the birth rate follows Idiocsophy. They mention races but not economic class, of course. I bet the birth rate for people in poverty hasn't slowed, at least not at the proportion it has for people with higher education and good networth.

#16 | Posted by humtake at 2019-05-16 12:22 PM | Reply

--But Nulli that you used to be would have been happy to hear over population was slowing down.

I haven't changed my position. Population growth exacerbates virtually every social and environmental problem you can name.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-16 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't worry, the mandatory rape babies in red states will help push the numbers up.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-16 12:24 PM | Reply

The idea that we need to have more children just so they can grow up to work and get taxed to pay off the boomer debt is by definition kicking the can down the road. Less people is an important component to making our society environmentally sustainable. I hope this trend continues and expands to the global scale.

Nulli, I am not a lefty...just anti-Trump, and I am celebrating.

#19 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-05-16 12:26 PM | Reply

hey look

a bunch of childless internet -------- and deadbeat dads are whining about everyone else's birthrates

just another day in America

#20 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-05-16 01:19 PM | Reply

All three of my kids, 31, 27 and 24 have expressed little desire in bring a child into the uncertainty we live in. I don't blame them.

#21 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-05-16 01:24 PM | Reply

I don't feel the pessimism like so many others apparently do.

I think this phenomenon can't be explained simply.

Many factors.

More folks feel normal not having kids. it's less of an expectation
Intelligent use of birth control
Uncertainty driven by a 24/7 cycle of pessimism in the media

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-16 01:34 PM | Reply

-- Uncertainty driven by a 24/7 cycle of pessimism in the media

Which is an endless cycle of hysteria about phony crises: constitutional crisis, climate crisis, etc.

I did duck-and-cover drills in school during the Cuban missile crisis. That was real. Supermarket across the street was selling 2-week survival kits of staple goods.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-16 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I did duck-and-cover drills in school during the Cuban missile crisis. That was real.

How many missiles were launched at America? Zero.

Yea, super real crisis!

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I did duck-and-cover drills in school during the Cuban missile crisis. That was real.

And the school shooter drills of today are...fake?

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-16 01:46 PM | Reply

U.S. Births Fell to a 32-Year Low in Record Slump as abortion rates soar to new highs.

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-05-16 02:03 PM | Reply

Well the 1% ain't gonna like having to pay higher wages when the labor pool starts shrinking.

#8 | Posted by Nixon

Wow, a supply and demand fat nix. Next you are going to tell us you are going to vote for Trump in the next election.

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-05-16 02:06 PM | Reply

My wife and I celebrated the birth of our 7th child this past winter. I'm 44 and she is 35. 5 daughters and 2 sons, ranging in age from 15 on down.

Every child is a blessing.

#28 | Posted by ExpectingReign at 2019-05-16 02:27 PM | Reply

My wife and I celebrated the birth of our 7th child this past winter. I'm 44 and she is 35. 5 daughters and 2 sons, ranging in age from 15 on down.
Every child is a blessing.

#28 | POSTED BY EXPECTINGREIGN

My dad is the first of 7 and my mom is the 4th of 8.

I only have 2. Boys age 18 and 15. Both are Freshmen - High School and college.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 02:36 PM | Reply

Every time this subject comes up it seems that just below the surface is the right-wing denial that what they actually think is brown babies = bad and white babies = good.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-05-16 02:37 PM | Reply

-And the school shooter drills of today are...fake?

speaking for myself...it's every bit as real. I can't imagine that's what Nulli was comparing it to.

#31 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-16 03:24 PM | Reply

U.S. Births Fell to a 32-Year Low in Record Slump as abortion rates soar to new highs

#26 | POSTED BY SNIPER

False. The number of abortions have fallen since their peak in 1990. 1.4 million abortions in 1990, 640,000 abortions in 2015.

Wikipedia

#32 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-05-16 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

ANNUAL ABORTION STATISTICS

Based on the latest state-level data, approximately 879,000 abortions took place in the United States in 2017 -- down from approximately 892,000 abortions in 2016 and 913,000 abortions in 2015.

Yes der............ numbers are falling like a rock. Or is that a feather?

#33 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-05-16 05:44 PM | Reply

This is one reason we need to thank God for immigrants.

They are propping up our birth rates.

#34 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 06:26 PM | Reply

U.S. Births Fell to a 32-Year Low in Record Slump as abortion rates soar to new highs.

#26 | Posted by Sniper

You should be banned. You are nothing but a ------- liar. I think I will start flagging your lies as abusive. Starting now.

The United States' abortion rate has fallen dramatically over the past decade, new federal data shows.

A new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that the national abortion rate declined 26 percent between 2006 and 2015, hitting the lowest level that the government has on record.

The abortion ratio -- the proportion of abortions to live births -- is also down to historic lows. In 2005, the abortion ratio was about 233 abortions for every 1,000 live births; in 2015, it was 188 abortions for 1,000 live births.

This decline in abortions is happening amid other positive trends in reproductive health. The number of teen pregnancies in the United States, for example, has decreased dramatically since the 1990s -- and a lot of that seems to have to do with young adults using better contraception.

It is also part of an international trend, too: Separate research has found that -- looking even further back in history -- abortion rates in developed countries across Europe and North America are all declining. In the early 1990s, there were 45 abortions for every 1,000 women between ages 15 and 44. That figure has now dropped to 27 abortions per 1,000 women.

www.cdc.gov

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-16 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Or is that a feather?

#33 | Posted by Sniper

Link or Lie you Liar.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-16 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You should be banned. You are nothing but a ------- liar. I think I will start flagging your lies as abusive. Starting now.

Jesus H. Christ, Donner.

When did you become such a snowflake?

An abusive flag for that?

All Sniper did was reproduce something he read.

That isn't abusive. It's not like he was C/P from a Neo-Nazi site, or something.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 06:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You should be banned. You are nothing but a ------- liar. I think I will start flagging your lies as abusive. Starting now."

There's a lot of liars on this site, most have the self respect to at least use a sock puppet account to peddle their --------. But in the case of this particular Retorter I think you're giving him way too much credit. You've been here over ten years now posting regularly. You should know the other regulars fairly well by now. Do you truly believe that he is aware of what is actually true and what isn't... at least to the extent that he can make the decision to intentionally spread misinformation? I've never seen evidence of that capacity in him.

#38 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-05-16 07:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"It's not like he was C/P from a Neo-Nazi site, or something."

How do you know? Maybe you two just read different Neo-Nazi pages.

#39 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-05-16 07:05 PM | Reply

One thing is for certain; the abortion rate in 'Bama is about to go up. Same with the child death, poverty, childbirth death, and rape rates.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-16 07:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The surge in anti-abortion legislation at the state level is terrific news for the manufacturers of wire coat hangers.

WINNING

#41 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-05-16 08:02 PM | Reply

An abusive flag for that?

All Sniper did was reproduce something he read.

That isn't abusive. It's not like he was C/P from a Neo-Nazi site, or something.
#37 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Actual blatant fake news is abusive. He is abusing his privileges here.

I am so tired of the blatant lies. I am about 10,000 times over my limit.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-16 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go ahead, Donner. let's see an explosion.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-16 09:56 PM | Reply

Do you not understand the difference between opinion and fact, Donner?

2 people can view the exact same set of facts and draw completely different conclusions.

That isn't abusive, it's human.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 10:13 PM | Reply

Maybe you two just read different Neo-Nazi pages.

#39 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE

Do you honestly believe I'm visiting Neo-Nazi sites? Serious question.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 10:14 PM | Reply

#24 | Posted by ClownShack You should have lived through that period of time. On the first Monday of each month the tornado/civil defense horns blow in my home town to be tested. When they went off as scheduled during the Cuban Missile Crises, there were several people that had heart attacks. Yes, it was tense. Very tense, more so if you lived outside a SAC base.

#46 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-05-17 08:34 AM | Reply

#35 | Posted by donnerboy, Why not point out that cumulatively there have been 60 million abortions in this country and a greater proportion of those abortions were preformed on black women more than any other group. The spirit of Sanger lives on.

#47 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-05-17 08:41 AM | Reply

"Do you honestly believe I'm visiting Neo-Nazi sites? Serious question."

You either read all the neo-nazi sites so you know that he didn't get what he posted from them or you're defending him absent any knowledge that defense is founded in truth. Which is it? Serious question.

#48 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-05-17 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#48

Day in and day out Jeff proves he's nothing more than a Trumpublican sycophant.

His blind defense of Sniper is simply cult members looking out for one another.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 01:45 PM | Reply

Did sniper post a neo nazi link, or are you puds just whining to whine?

I plonked him ages ago, but I never got the impression he was the type to be in to that kind of thing.

#50 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-05-17 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Narrator: Thanks to feminism, your marriage choices are 1. emotionally unstable control freak, 2. gold-digging control freak, 3. jaw-dropping, breathtaking morbid obesity

Me: Uhhhh...hard pass. I'll stick to my weed, PBR, and video games

#51 | Posted by dialate at 2019-05-17 02:01 PM | Reply

"Did sniper post a neo nazi link, or are you puds just whining to whine?"

There wasn't a link, but the comment could very easily have come from one. It's hard to say these days, when the platforms of neo-nazis and republicans so closely mirror one another.

#52 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-05-17 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

are you puds just whining to whine?
#50 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Chair, what's the point of you posting if you're not being funny?

You used to be comic relief.

Lately, not so much.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 02:04 PM | Reply

"Uhhhh...hard pass. I'll stick to my weed, PBR, and video games"

Not that I begrudge anybody choosing the monastic life of beer, vids, and gaming (in an alternate reality that might be me, switching out the PBR for coffee), but if that's really what you think of feminism then the DNA pool of the future thanks you for choosing not to contribute.

#54 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-05-17 02:10 PM | Reply

Hag,
Ah, I obviously haven't see the comment.
It just seems odd because you're not a crybaby and Jeff isn't the type to defend neo nazi material.

#55 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-05-17 02:12 PM | Reply

Come on, go full Limbaugh Nulli, the word is FemiNazi! And tell the FemiNazis to stay off your lawn while you're at it.

#10 | POSTED BY DANNI AT

Did anyone else notice a sharp decline in the use of the slur "feminazi" when the GOP decided that actual Nazis are pretty good people?

I did.

#56 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-17 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jeff isn't the type to defend neo nazi material.

Looks like his opinions regressed and now he does.

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 02:30 PM | Reply

"Nazis are fine people, feminisms is destroying America."
-Trumpublicans

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 02:32 PM | Reply

"It just seems odd because you're not a crybaby and Jeff isn't the type to defend neo nazi material."

I'm not even particularly invested in the dispute. I just thought it funny that JJ would go out of the way to defend the poster who is at best the cousin Oliver of the Retort.

#59 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-05-17 03:17 PM | Reply

"Jeff isn't the type to defend neo nazi material."

He is merely the type to defend their peaceably assembled armed march with guns and torches while chanting Nazi slogans.

I am not aware of him stepping up for any other marchers.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-17 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do you not understand the difference between opinion and fact, Donner?

2 people can view the exact same set of facts and draw completely different conclusions.

That isn't abusive, it's human.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ

I understand the relativity principle better than most.

And it is true that one can observe something and both observers can see completely different things.

But, when we determine that something is a fact. Or we prove a formula to be true for all instances across the entire Universe and someone like snippy comes along and says nope! That's not how HE sees it! Then the burden of proof is on him. And I do not have to respect his opinion (especially on light of snippy's history )unless he an prove it. Which when push comes to shove he rarely does.

It is not a difference of a opinion or difference of perspective to inconstantly misrepresent the truth.

And you defend this because YOU want to do it.

If there are only 4 lights do not try and gas light us into thinking there are 5.

I WILL RESIST.

www.youtube.com

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-17 06:50 PM | Reply

2 people can view the exact same set of facts and draw completely different conclusions.
#44 | Posted by JeffJ

Yea. But one of them is coming to the wrong conclusion.

They should take a step back, re-examine the facts, find some reference, do some research and figure out the correct conclusion.

As much as Trump and KellyAnne Conway want there to be alternative facts. No such things exist.

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 07:04 PM | Reply

2 people can view the exact same set of facts and draw completely different conclusions.
That isn't abusive, it's human.

#44 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-05-16 10:13 PM |

If your conclusion denies or contradicts the facts it is not a valid conclusion. If you start with your conclusion and then only look at the facts that support it it is not a valid conclusion. If you present "alternate facts" you are a republican -------- artist.

#63 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-05-17 11:38 PM | Reply

If you present "alternate facts" you are a republican -------- artist.

#63 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

OK. How is that abusive?

Fair or not, you come across as wanting to define and censor - define anything you disagree with as "abusive" and then lobby to ban said disagreement.

How I am construing what you appear to be advocating doesn't really match up with what I've seen from you. So, please clarify.

Note: I'm not looking for a 'gotcha'. Just trying to understand your POV.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 12:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Feminists have done a great job of making "motherhood" a dirty word, something akin to slavery.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian

God your posts are so unintentionally hilarious.

You're so blind but yet want to tell everybody else what's going on.

Social media is loaded with Mommy bloggers who are feminists who push motherhood as one of the toughest, more respectable "jobs" out there.

"Motherhood" has been anything but a dirty wood the past 5-10 years.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 12:26 AM | Reply

Social media is loaded with Mommy bloggers who are feminists who push motherhood as one of the toughest, more respectable "jobs" out there...

#65 | POSTED BY JPW

I hope you are right about that. I don't do social media and what I see from sources that aren't right-leaning is a disdain toward motherhood, when mom gives up a career to be a mom.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 12:34 AM | Reply

Social media is loaded with Mommy bloggers who are feminists who push motherhood

1.0 or 2.0

Put up or shut up....

#67 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-05-18 12:35 AM | Reply

I did duck-and-cover drills in school during the Cuban missile crisis. That was real.

And the school shooter drills of today are...fake?

#25 | Posted by JOE

They're far more real than the duck and cover drills were.

Nulli will never admit to that, of course.

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 12:52 AM | Reply

1.0 or 2.0

Put up or shut up....

#67 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Not sure what that means...

#69 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 12:55 AM | Reply

Here is one.

www.scarymommy.com

www.google.com

Are you really not aware of Mommy blogging? Is it all feminist? No, of course not.

There's also the question of what definition of feminism you're pushing.

If it's the actual definition of those who promote wellness and equality for woman then there's tons.

If you're talking about the faux political definition of the tattooed, short dyed hair lesbian who refuses to be placed under the control of the patriarchy by having a child then you're just playing partisan games.

#70 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 12:59 AM | Reply

Wow. look at JPW go.

That's the Jim Beam talking.

#71 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 01:02 AM | Reply

Those "problems" are designed to create Democrat voters. Fewer people means less democrat votes. That's also why they dont want to stem illegal immigration.

#9 | Posted by boaz

Says the guy who openly admits he likes the current system because it makes the populated coasts less influential compared to the sparsely populated fly over states...

God damned dude. You're simply pathological. Dangerously so.

#72 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:02 AM | Reply

Wow. look at JPW go.

That's the Jim Beam talking.

#71 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Wow. Look at Sheeple shart nonsense.

That's the lack of firing neurons not talking.

Piss off you worthless sack of ----. This place is greatly improved when you're not here.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:03 AM | Reply

*glorp*

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 01:06 AM | Reply

www.scarymommy.com - JPW

I just did a quick perusal of it. I liked what I read.

I don't doubt the existence of such outlets (and I thank your for providing a link). When it comes to pop culture though, it's all about the clicks. To me, it seems like the most rabid (and toxic) brew of modern feminism is dominant in pop culture. Maybe it gets hyped simply because it's edgy or "woke".

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:07 AM | Reply

U.S. Births Fell to a 32-Year Low in Record Slump as abortion rates soar to new highs.

#26 | Posted by Sniper

www.npr.org

Don't you ever tire of being shown to be an unthinking, incurious moron?

We can buy phones that give us more information than 99% of humans who have ever lived had access to combined and righties insist on being ignorant, unteachable ----- anyway.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:07 AM | Reply

*glorp*

#74 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Duuuhhhhhhhhhhhhh *orderly wipes drool*

No surprise you'd follow nulli down that stupid path. Because just like him you have nothing to say and you know, even if you won't admit it openly, that you're beneath me.

So you try to punch up anyway you can.

Just accept there are people who are your better and accept your low place in life. You might want to thank society while you're at it for supporting your likely-would-have-died-in-early-childhood ass.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:09 AM | Reply

That's the Jim Beam talking.

#71 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

I'm sipping a Glen Morangie at the moment. I normally tend toward the peaty stuff, like Ardbeg, but we've finally strung together a couple of decent weather days (we've had a HORRIBLE Spring so far) and I'm trying to pretend it's summer, hence, the lighter Scotch.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:11 AM | Reply

When it comes to pop culture though, it's all about the clicks. To me, it seems like the most rabid (and toxic) brew of modern feminism is dominant in pop culture. Maybe it gets hyped simply because it's edgy or "woke".

#75 | Posted by JeffJ

I can agree with that to an extent.

I think because clicks matter the most inflammatory get the most outside coverage. That's true for blogging, news ect ect.

But most of them tend to be flashes in the pan.

In any case we're way off in the weeds.

As a mid 30 something having kids hasn't happened because the economic conditions simply haven't been great and I've been taught to place career above all else. So that's what I've done.

Now that I'm finding myself in the position financially to think about kids I'm finding age wise I'm getting into weird territory. It's a regrettable situation and highlights quite well just how badly the boomers have screwed my generation in multiple ways (if I may drag us into a different patch of weeds lol).

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:14 AM | Reply

I'm sipping a Glen Morangie at the moment. I normally tend toward the peaty stuff, like Ardbeg, but we've finally strung together a couple of decent weather days (we've had a HORRIBLE Spring so far) and I'm trying to pretend it's summer, hence, the lighter Scotch.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ

I could never get into that scotch (had a bottle of 16 year). Was just too light and had a flavor to it I couldn't place that just wasn't good. Maybe an older bottle would be better.

I've found that Cragganmore is my favorite lighter scotch, even though it's not really that light. I think I just don't like the light stuff.

Sucks for you though. We've been hovering around 90 for the past couple days here and I've been grilling for a month.

#80 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:19 AM | Reply

We can buy phones that give us more information than 99% of humans who have ever lived had access to combined and righties insist on being ignorant, unteachable ----- anyway.

#76 | POSTED BY JPW

That triggered a really interesting memory...

About a year ago I was watching a documentary about octopus.

They are fascinating and when put through a series of controlled experiments they displayed amazing intelligence.

Their capacity to learn is what really caught the attention of scientists.

Octopi have 2 limiting issues as it pertains to learning:

1. They have a relatively short life-span. Whilst they do learn quickly they don't have much time to really build upon it.

2. Because they are solitary, they can't benefit from the learnings of their peers.

I put that in bold for a reason. The acidification of our oceans has created some quasi-dead-zones where octopi that were solitary before, are now sharing space with other octopi...and they are learning from each other. It's fascinating stuff.

My apology for temporarily hijackinbg the thread. Let's please presume talking about whatever political narrative is dominating our discourse today...

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:21 AM | Reply

McCallen 12 Sherry Cask.

yum. and not too pricey.

#82 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 01:22 AM | Reply

- the peaty stuff, like Ardbeg

I keep looking at it, but haven't selected it yet.

I may have to give it a whirl.

#83 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-18 01:24 AM | Reply

Hey, I just moved to Alabama to do my part. And no, I'm not ----- or anything but It's just that I am up doing my best to help of nation in it's time of nead. Also, I'm trying alternative lifestyles such as swinging ("I'm sorry honey, the condom just broke!") and polygamy. Still having issues with others. So don't be so judgemental.

#84 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-05-18 01:26 AM | Reply

My apology for temporarily hijackinbg the thread. Let's please presume talking about whatever political narrative is dominating our discourse today...

#81 | Posted by JeffJ

No, lets not. LOL that's a far more interest topic.

Or better yet, should we speculate if there's octopus who refuse to learn from others because there's a Rush Octopi preaching that that's socialism and that a true octopus would live out in the dead zone like a man?

How about some overly pierced, angry octopus who squirts artificially dyed purple ink in response to being triggered by the octopus patriarchy?

#85 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:31 AM | Reply

So Helium, you like squealing like a pig huh!

#86 | Posted by Crassus at 2019-05-18 01:31 AM | Reply

As a mid 30 something having kids hasn't happened because the economic conditions simply haven't been great and I've been taught to place career above all else. So that's what I've done.

Now that I'm finding myself in the position financially to think about kids I'm finding age wise I'm getting into weird territory. It's a regrettable situation and highlights quite well just how badly the boomers have screwed my generation in multiple ways (if I may drag us into a different patch of weeds lol).

#79 | POSTED BY JPW

One of the biggest misreads I had with my marriage was kids. I assumed my wife didn't want kids and that's what I thought I wanted as well. As it turned out, I was wrong. When we really distilled it down, she was pretty clear early on that she wanted a family and I was kind of in denial. I was in a tough spot. I grudgingly agreed to 2 kids. After #2 I got snipped. No more kids.

At mid-30 your window is narrow. Either crap or get off the pot. It's pretty much now or never, unless your fiancé is younger than you.

As someone who walked into parenthood reluctantly, I can tell you that it's awesome.

It absolutely is. On my end it comes with one caveat though - my boys are exceptional. The best day of every year going back 14 years has been parent/teacher conferences. Our boys have rocked it in school.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:31 AM | Reply

McCallen 12 Sherry Cask.

yum. and not too pricey.

#82 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Macallan is a great scotch you drunk :)

So you can respond to threads without trolling. Did that hurt? Seriously question. OK...maybe not.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:32 AM | Reply

I keep looking at it, but haven't selected it yet.

I may have to give it a whirl.

#83 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I recommend it.

A friend bought me a bottle when I finished grad school. Was shocked at how lightly colored it was but slap you in the uvula smokey it is.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:34 AM | Reply

McCallen 12 Sherry Cask.

yum. and not too pricey.

#82 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

It's a high value bottle.

I just picked up 2 bottles for my Father-in-law today

Glen Scotia 15 (from the Campbletown peninsula)

Lagavulin Distillers Edition

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:34 AM | Reply

My weak spot is Islay - Ardbeg, Laphroaig, Lagavullin, Bowmore, etc.

Big, peaty and smokey. I think the fact that Michigan weather is cold for too much of the year contributes to that.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At mid-30 your window is narrow. Either crap or get off the pot. It's pretty much now or never, unless your fiancé is younger than you.

Oh I'm well aware. She's a few years younger but not much, so the window isn't quite as small but getting smaller.

It absolutely is. On my end it comes with one caveat though - my boys are exceptional. The best day of every year going back 14 years has been parent/teacher conferences. Our boys have rocked it in school.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ

Well I'm a scientist and she's a teacher so I'm expecting we'll do as much as we can to push learning and curiosity and independence. If that translates well to school then we won't be surprised. If it doesn't we'll just remind ourselves Einstein did poorly in school because he was too smart LOL.

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:38 AM | Reply

I also find they go well with a cigar. Two big, bold flavors that can't cancel each other out.

I'm a fan of Oban. Good level of peat for flavor without tasting like you're drinking a camp fire.

#93 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:41 AM | Reply

I can't believe you people don't have a single positive idea on what to do about this - too me it seems so obvious.

(Salutes flag)

#94 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-05-18 01:44 AM | Reply

Well I'm a scientist and she's a teacher so I'm expecting we'll do as much as we can to push learning and curiosity and independence. If that translates well to school then we won't be surprised. If it doesn't we'll just remind ourselves Einstein did poorly in school because he was too smart LOL.

#92 | POSTED BY JPW

I expect your kids, if you have them, will be intelligent. The question is whether or not to have them at all. I was 30 when our first was born. I'm 48 and my youngest is finishing his freshman year in High School. In less than 3 1/2 years my youngest will go to college and my wife and I will have an empty nest. As my kids have gotten older they've aged like a fine red wine - I enjoy their company more and more. Having said that, part of me is looking forward to the empty next. Life for me and my wife will revert back to us, at least for a little while. We'll both be 51 when my youngest goes to college.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:47 AM | Reply

I'm a fan of Oban. Good level of peat for flavor without tasting like you're drinking a camp fire.

#93 | POSTED BY JPW A

Oban is nice. It's gotten too pricey for me though. I personally prefer the Highland Park 12 over Oban, and at approximately $50 for a bottle, it's a much better value IMO.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:49 AM | Reply

I can't believe you people don't have a single positive idea on what to do about this - too me it seems so obvious.

(Salutes flag)

#94 | Posted by HeliumRat

I'd say have a few drinks and relax but I know how that suggestion would be received coming from me...

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 01:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can't believe you people don't have a single positive idea on what to do about this - too me it seems so obvious.

(Salutes flag)

#94 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

I'll quote Jimmy Buffett: Let's all get drunk and screw.

#98 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 01:59 AM | Reply

I expect your kids, if you have them, will be intelligent.

Maybe. My only concern is that they enjoy learning and seek it at all times. I'll consider it a job well done if I succeed in that at least.

We'll both be 51 when my youngest goes to college.

Well at our age the awkwardness of their dad using a walker at their high school graduation (hyperbole of course...a bit) is the best case scenario. Although I certainly know many people in academia who have made that timeline work.

She wants them so having kids isn't a question. I just hope the safety precautions during all those years of using radioactive material were as good as they were claimed to be lol.

#99 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 02:00 AM | Reply

She wants them so having kids isn't a question...

#99 | POSTED BY JPW

If she wants it - it will happen.

I hope you have to work harder for it than we did.

I am not joking, both of my kids were conceived the moment we pulled the goalie.

I was hoping for months of "trying". My wife always mocked that term as a euphemism for, "We are having sex a lot."

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 02:14 AM | Reply

I hope you have to work harder for it than we did.

I am not joking, both of my kids were conceived the moment we pulled the goalie.

I get the joke you're making but I'm not hoping does. A significant number of friends from grad school and post-grad school had real trouble conceiving. Not sure why as I didn't ask pointed questions but it was a significant number.

Don't want the types of losses they went through and would rather find out it simply can't happen than go through that.

Besides, I hear pregnant women are...ahem...interested in such activities.

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 02:21 AM | Reply

A significant number of friends from grad school and post-grad school had real trouble conceiving. Not sure why as I didn't ask pointed questions but it was a significant number...

#101 | POSTED BY JPW

Yeah, that' s the other end of the spectrum.

As it pertains to you, I just wish for the timing to be off a bit

You are a scientist Tweak the clock so that "trying" isn't instantaneous.

#102 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 02:26 AM | Reply

JPW,

*Why do women always smile when they walk down the aisle?

They know they've given their last -------.

#103 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-18 02:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

As it pertains to you, I just wish for the timing to be off a bit

Yeah that was more serious than was necessary...

You are a scientist Tweak the clock so that "trying" isn't instantaneous.

#102 | Posted by JeffJ

HA are you suggesting I drug her?!?!?!

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 02:40 AM | Reply

#103 | Posted by JeffJ

I'm...ummm...gonnna leave that alone.

#105 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-18 02:40 AM | Reply

*Why do women always smile when they walk down the aisle?

They know they've given their last -------.

#103 | Posted by JeffJ

That was funny!

Do you know where the tradition of women carrying flowers at their wedding came from?

In the Middle Ages, the masses only got a bath once or twice a year. Women carried flowers to hide their body odor. True.

#106 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-18 05:16 AM | Reply

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