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Wednesday, May 15, 2019

Gates pointed out that the current increase in pro-socialist rhetoric in the United States does not really refer to socialism according to any conventional definition of the word. "Socialism used to mean that a State controlled the means of production", and, according to Gates, "many people here who promote socialism do not define it in that classical way." "The majority do not argue against capitalism ... What they actually want is capitalism with a better level of taxation," says Gates. The federal employment guarantee of AOC, for example, would consist of a reference standard for employment that would include a minimum wage of $15 linked to inflation, full medical care, and paid leave for sickness and children. (That) is capitalism with a strong social safety net.

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Many other billionaires agree, though not all. Socialism and Communism has been drug through the pig pen in an effort to prevent change for the better. If we can't even try to understand each other this argument will never be settled. Just more relentless stupidity firmly entrenched fools claiming victory over nothing..

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Gates pointed out that the current increase in pro-socialist rhetoric in the United States does not really refer to socialism according to any conventional definition of the word.

"The majority do not argue against capitalism ... What they actually want is capitalism with a better level of taxation,"

(That) is capitalism with a strong social safety net.

Which is exactly what Nulli and I have been saying all along...what the so called Democratic Socialists have been calling for as "socialism" is really capitalism with high levels of social welfare spending.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-15 07:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"The majority do not argue against capitalism"

You'd have to be willfully ignorant to not figure that out by now.

"Why people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are labeled as socialists, and even sometimes they call themselves by that term?

Because Fox News spent Obama's years calling all the Democratic Party's policies so. As a result, there are two generations (Millennials and Generation Z) who simply use the term socialist without worrying too much about what it exactly means."

What can I say, Bill Gates knows his audience!

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 07:55 PM | Reply

#1

That's hilarious. What Nulli, Mackris, Mythbomber, and most the other rwingers here have been saying is that Bernie is a Capital S Socialist; a Lenin, Marx, Mao trifecta of Red Commie Scare.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-15 08:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3 | POSTED BY CORKY

No, that was YOUR claim, as cankles limped to the finish line.

100 lefty economists
Krugman says...
ain't gonna werk
too old
can't win the general

Looks like it was her that couldn't win the general.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-15 08:07 PM | Reply

rwingers here have been saying is that Bernie is a Capital S Socialist; a Lenin, Marx, Mao trifecta of Red Commie Scare.

Well, Bernie called himself that.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-15 08:20 PM | Reply

#4

Looks like it was you that didn't listen to Bernie and bent over for Trump.

- Well, Bernie called himself that.

Well, no, he didn't, either.

Bernie: ‘Democratic Socialist' a Synonym for New Deal Lib

www.drudge.com

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-15 08:29 PM | Reply

Sheeple had one job that Bernie asked him to do.... and he f'd that up big time.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-15 08:42 PM | Reply

All I've herd for months out of you right wingers is that socialism is public ownership of the means of production and you have the dictionary to back you up. That definition was provided by the likes of JP Morgan and distributed by the western propaganda machine.

#8 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-15 08:42 PM | Reply

Sheeple had one job that Bernie asked him to do....
#7 | POSTED BY CORKY

He asked me to caucus for him in Utah. I did. He won.

Then your superdelegates revolted. and delivered Trump. For 8 years.

your party is responsible for their demise. you...are responsible.

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-15 08:49 PM | Reply

"He asked me to caucus for him in Utah. I did. He won."

What have you done for Bernie Sanders lately?

Not as much as you've done for Jill Stein, Vladimir Putin, and Donald Trump.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 08:54 PM | Reply

Well, no, he didn't, either.

Actually, yes he did.

That definition was provided by the likes of JP Morgan and distributed by the western propaganda machine.

Actually, no, that definition was provided by Karl Marx in his Communist Manifesto.

Nice regurgitation of idiotic talking points though.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-15 08:54 PM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Denial and blame. unable to accept that your poor candidate couldn't get enough votes that mattered.

If you don't get your way, you can always threaten to

abolish the electoral college, stuff the Supreme Court, abolish the constitution, and burn down Main Street.

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-15 09:18 PM | Reply

- He asked me

To vote for and support Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump.... and you did just the opposite.

Which is why you are dead to him now.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-15 09:46 PM | Reply

#11, RoC As if there hasn't been a concerted effort to discredit socialism/communism and protect capitalism at all costs. Monopoly capitalism that a few enjoy, as explained by Marx, is unsustainable because perpetual growth is not possible, because poorly understood poisons are being introduced onto the planet, because it has led the human population to the brink with global warming and nuclear annihilation. The threat Marx represented to business as usual was recognized immediately. The war of words were always at the center of the cold war conflict, until the Cuban missile crisis took center stage. But you deserve a Madison Avenue trophy for that pop up.

#14 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-15 10:15 PM | Reply

I guess AOC would like us to be more like France with it's 'FREE' progressive' social programs for the people:

French Incomes Are Below America's Poorest States... And The Protesters Know It www.zerohedge.com

Moral of the story is: TANSTAAFL

#15 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-05-16 10:41 AM | Reply

--I guess AOC would like us to be more like France...

With the exception of all those carbon-free nuclear power plants.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-16 10:45 AM | Reply

"French Incomes Are Below America's Poorest States"

Reading the article, it turns out the author is comparing apples and oranges, comparing gross income in the poorest states with disposable income in France.

It's another one of those websites that gets the answer first, then tries to convolute the parameters to fit. Here, the author is betting the readers don't know any better.

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-16 10:54 AM | Reply

Gates is trying to shine a turd.

From Wiki:

Ocasio-Cortez is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.[10] Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib are two of the first two members of the group in Congress.

The DSA sees itself as a big tent and multi-tendency organization with members expressing a wide range of socialist and anti-capitalist views.

#18 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-16 11:20 AM | Reply

"That's hilarious. What Nulli, Mackris, Mythbomber, and most the other rwingers here have been saying is that Bernie is a Capital S Socialist; a Lenin, Marx, Mao trifecta of Red Commie Scare."

With Bernie it's pretty easy...he never hid the connective tissue between himself and global communists. Can a tiger change it's stripes?

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-16 11:50 AM | Reply

"French Incomes Are Below America's Poorest States"

And yet the French get universal health care and university tuition is $200.

How many US states have that?

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-16 12:23 PM | Reply

US states don't engage in the regressive taxation to fund it.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-16 01:44 PM | Reply

45% income tax + 20% VAT in France. They've began cutting taxes to stimulate their economy in 2016.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-16 01:46 PM | Reply

When the new, rather extreme carbon taxes arrived, they started setting things on fire.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-16 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Europe to this day feels eternally grateful to the USA for saving them during WWII. We couldn't have done it without the Russians, yet they have failed to get their share of the credit. Right now Europe is overwhelmed with refugees created by the USA for no good reason. That has led to a rise in right wing nationalism. The same kind of thing that started WWII. France, England and Germany are feeling the brunt of that, which was not caused by socialism, but their socialism becomes a magnet for those desperate to survive. The same phenomena explains the spike in immigration at our Southern border. All those desperate destitute people are suffering from the consequences of US foreign policy. Like most Americans, they have no control over their own government. But they know there is more money available in the regions they are migrating into.

#24 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-18 09:16 AM | Reply

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