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Wednesday, May 15, 2019

Thomas Klikauer: We live in the age of rampant right-wing populism. And we also live in an age of a looming ecological genocide -- ecocide. Together, they create ecocidal populism. The rise of populism during recent years may not have occurred unconnected to the environmental devastation caused by global warming.

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They're still going to vote for less-evil Biden.

He smiles, winks, and slaps you on the back while screwing you.

Democrats love that shtick.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-14 10:48 PM | Reply

Is this an Onion parody? So much stupid in this one...

#2 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-14 11:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ira, have you given an actual retort a thought or are you just reduced to name calling?

#3 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-15 12:02 AM | Reply

#3 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-15 12:02 AM |

Iragoldberg has the IQ of a carrot and mostly post extremely old worn out right-wing talking points that has been disproven decades ago.

As I said before he is either a Russian troll or a walking talking joke.

#4 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-05-15 12:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Jeebus...the author just spends the entire article making claims and pointing fingers.

Here's a question: let's say that starting tomorrow, every single person in the United States turned to renewble energy completely, started driving electric cars, and eschewed things like plastic packaging. Went uber-green.

What would be the net impact to global climate, oceanic pollution, etc...?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-15 02:33 PM | Reply

www.konformist.com

#6 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-05-15 03:03 PM | Reply

#5, The article is more about Capitalism's response to worker discontent, which is widespread, in case you haven't noticed. Management of workers through fear and misinformation. It touches on the need for structural changes in our society and points to the mass media as a major problem. I tries to bring to your attention the fact that national populism is a blatant attempt to halt or t least forestall any changes. It doesn't really attempt to solve the problem of global warming.

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-15 06:12 PM | Reply

#7 I didn't say it did. I asked the DR for their opinion on what impact such a thing nationally would have globally.

#8 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-15 06:58 PM | Reply

As I recall the USA is 6% of the world's population that consumes 25% of the world's resources. So, broadly, the effect would be like a 25% drop.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 07:05 PM | Reply

- Is this an Onion parody?

Unfortunately, SheepleTrumpskin is more of a barnyard Orwell parody.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-15 07:46 PM | Reply

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I like 99 percent of globalized crap goods sourced from china, don't you?

#11 | Posted by mutant at 2019-05-15 08:10 PM | Reply

Green Marxism from Counterpunch, not surprisingly. It's useful as it shows how environmental gloom-and-doom is being leveraged to support the Left's historical goal: an all-powerful centralized State. Instead of the traditional, moralistic "social justice" arguments for the Leviathan, which have failed, tell the masses they are going to die.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-15 08:25 PM | Reply

#12, Grotesque misinterpretation. The article is explaining how National Populism is expressed by Trump (the second wave) and was by Hitler (the first wave), takes our minds off the problems inherent to unregulated Capitalism and puts them on our enemies, Russians, Muslims, Jews, anything will do... it is a capitalists technique for managing labor.

#13 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-15 08:35 PM | Reply

We need better techniques for managing free time not labor. Ask what becomes of the tremendius first world technological based productivity gains and you shall find the answer.

#14 | Posted by mutant at 2019-05-15 08:40 PM | Reply

Maybe i can learn to type?

#15 | Posted by mutant at 2019-05-15 08:40 PM | Reply

"takes our minds off the problems inherent to unregulated Capitalism and puts them on our enemies"

Case in point:

For Nullifidian, and especially Andrea, a mattress, almost every economic shortcoming faced by Americans, especially minorities, can be laid at the feet of immigrants.

And occasionally, tech billionaires.

#16 | Posted by Snoofy at 2019-05-15 08:51 PM | Reply

said it before..say it again. we're already way past the fix-it stage. do what your conscience demands and enjoy. there are to many people. the only change will be increasingly tilted toward the time when it sparks a worldwide problem. we're not only looking a water shortages, we've severely depleted our aquifers. it may start with some sort of disease pandemic, that'd hit us too in the US, but I think it'll start in the mideast given a bit more time. pakistan and india have nukes and attitude.
and I truly believe that there are those that believe it wouldn't be anything but good if the world lost 4/5's of it's population starting at the bottom. with technology that we have now..they aren't needed but they still expect to eat. as a species, we crap to close to the house

#17 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-05-15 09:55 PM | Reply

Stiff tarriffs on countries without modern and comprehensive pollution controls is the only way to accomplish that goal. Every other plan is cocaine-fueled hot air blown out by rich, out-of-touch douchebags spewing smog with their private jets and conspicuous consumption, and chiding the little people for polluting too much while they make money hand over fist by producing overseas.

Right wing populism is correct on this one...we've tightened our belts enough, it is time for the Indias and Chinas of the world to start pulling their weight.

#18 | Posted by dialate at 2019-05-16 05:13 AM | Reply

The article is explaining how National Populism is expressed by Trump (the second wave) and was by Hitler (the first wave), takes our minds off the problems inherent to unregulated Capitalism.

Why didn't the author address how Communist, Marxist Socialist and State Capitalist countries are even worse about pollution? Could it be the author just hates capitalism?

#19 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-16 09:38 AM | Reply

Marx was a theorist. Russia and China latched onto Marx's language while creating dictatorships. Workers in the EU and USA have had more direct influence on their fates than anyone under Chinese or Russian tyrants.

#20 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-16 11:07 AM | Reply

"The article is explaining how National Populism is expressed by Trump (the second wave) and was by Hitler (the first wave), takes our minds off the problems inherent to unregulated Capitalism and puts them on our enemies, Russians, Muslims, Jews, anything will do... it is a capitalists technique for managing labor."

Where does Counterpunch address the naitonal populism expressed by Maduro. The author conveniently seems to have implied that left-wing populism died with Chavez. We know that not to be true.

The article also fails to address the problems inherent to socialism...which shouldn't be surprising given the source.

#21 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-16 11:18 AM | Reply

"Workers in the EU and USA have had more direct influence on their fates than anyone under Chinese or Russian tyrants."

Workers only have that freedom because they're not operating under a Marxist construct. You can have one or the other...not both.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-16 11:19 AM | Reply

#20 In case you haven't been paying attention, every socialist economy wound up as a dictatorship or saw the light and became capitalist.

#23 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-16 11:51 AM | Reply

We also live in a time of left-wing snowflakism that is destroying personal responsibility, but you don't see a long article attacking them about it. Why not be fair and actually report what is going on in reality and stop trying to demonize one side?

#24 | Posted by humtake at 2019-05-16 12:28 PM | Reply

Both the USA and Russia brutalized strikers. Only in the USA and the EU were strikers ever able to prevail. In Russia they were sent to Siberia if they weren't executed first. Regardless what propaganda dominates (East or West) elements of capitalism and socialism exist in every country.

In Venezuela it is the commune which has survived repeated attacks by the USA. Maduro is more of a figurehead. There are thousands of them in Venezuela which share responsibilities and resources. They are both socialist and democratic in their construct and operate at a local level, independent of the Federal Government. The countries largest commune and storehouse was the first thing that Gaido had burned down to no avail.

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-16 12:51 PM | Reply

What would be the net impact to global climate, oceanic pollution, etc...?

#5 | Posted by MUSTANG

Good question. But the problem is bigger. Fox news didn't tell you yet?

First, we can't even agree that it is a problem. So there will not be any fix until then.

Second, If we don't do something about global population growth at the same time no matter how well intentioned our Green Deal is it in itself will not prevent our own extinction.

Third, We have to change the way we think about our planet. If you do not have an earnest desire to save the world for your grandchildren then you will not be able to make the hard choices needed to do so. (they will be affected the most by our decisions or non-decisions today and they will be saying the Dinosaur's Prayer: "Lord, just a little more time!")

So make as much money as you can until the house of cards collapses.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-05-16 07:20 PM | Reply

hey're still going to vote for less-evil Biden.

He smiles, winks, and slaps you on the back while screwing you.

Democrats love that shtick.

#1 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Hey dum dum - who is better for the environment? Biden or Trump?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-05-16 10:15 PM | Reply

Neither, dum-dum

Neither one has poor and working-class America's best interests in view.

But you'll vote for the banker-friendly, special interest enabler. and crow about it.

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-16 10:46 PM | Reply

But you'll vote for the banker-friendly, special interest enabler. and crow about it.

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism

You dodged the question coward.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-05-17 01:28 AM | Reply

#26 You've hit on the key point - population. Until either humanity solves that problem or Mother Nature solves it for us, we're just spinning our wheels.

#30 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-17 09:55 AM | Reply

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