Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, May 14, 2019

Alabama is one signature away from enacting a near-total ban on abortions after the state Senate passed a controversial bill that makes performing the procedure a felony offense. Under the Human Life Protection Act, doctors who perform an abortion at any stage of pregnancy could face a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison. The only exception in the legislation is in cases where the life of the pregnant woman is at risk.

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Guess Roe v. Wade isn't settled law after all...

at least in Alabama if/when this bill is signed if it is upheld on all the inevitable appeals.

Welcome to Gilead Trump suckers.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-05-14 10:25 PM | Reply

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."
Senator Lindsey O. Graham (S.C., ...Alabama, Mississippi, ... same thing)

#2 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-05-14 10:28 PM | Reply

"Thank you!" - Viable J. Fetus, Esq.

#3 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-05-14 10:37 PM | Reply

This is going to dominate politics for the next generation.

#4 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-14 10:53 PM | Reply

Reason number 2041 I am glad I dont live in Alabama.

#5 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-05-14 10:57 PM | Reply

That's another State Alyssa Milano will not be having sex in any time soon.

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-05-14 10:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Reason number 2041 I am glad I don't live in Alabama.

#5 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

There is a minority of ultra-rightwing-evangelical idiots here that actually do go vote. The majority of decent people don't vote because they don't want to be involved in the corruption, so the nazi religionists get to do what they want.

These are the same people that voted for trump and roy moore jr.

#7 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-05-15 07:49 AM | Reply

#7, so what you're saying is you're all complicit.

#8 | Posted by qcp at 2019-05-15 08:50 AM | Reply

Yay, more Christian Sharia law in America!

#9 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-05-15 09:11 AM | Reply

This bill sponsored by the Wire Hanger Manufacturers of America.

#10 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-05-15 10:14 AM | Reply

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I lived in Mississippi which is just like Alabama, total s******e, swore when I was a teenager I would never be drug back. That's one promise I kept for myself. The majority of the white people I met there were total --------.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-15 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#11

I understand. I'm from Northern Alabama, aka Ohio. I will drive to Canada and take a boat across the lake if I have to get from Michigan to Pennsylvania

#12 | Posted by bocaink at 2019-05-15 11:11 AM | Reply

Guess Roe v. Wade isn't settled law after all...

This is just dumb, these States are passing these idiotic laws to set up a confrontation at SCOTUS but even with Justice Kavanaugh on the bench, CJ Roberts, as the new swing vote, is not going to allow Roe to be overturned during his tenure. If Trump gets another justice pick then there may be nothing Roberts can do about it, but even Justice Kavanaugh has been surprising court watchers by crossing over on a few rulings to join the liberal bloc.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-15 12:05 PM | Reply

Where are all the "less government conservatives" when you need them??? < crickets >

I think they used to claim to be libertarians?!?!?!?

#14 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-05-15 12:09 PM | Reply

Of the subjects certain to elicit the most polarized responses, abortion has to be Number One....and I for one just don't get it. Why would ANY reasonable person opt to take the most ridiculously extreme position either for or against? Our national debate on abortion has become the NeverBortion, rape-is-God's-will, life-begins-at-conception side versus the EverBortion, my-body, post-birth-abortion-is-cool side. WTF happened to discussion of things like viability, or health of the mother? You're all freaking whackadoodles.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-05-15 12:09 PM | Reply

Why would you need to overturn Roe vs Wade?

All you have to do is embrace the grey areas of the law and create a situation where you're not breaking Roe vs Wade, while still making it impossible for women to get abortions.

RoC. You present yourself as an intelligent person. But your entire philosophy of nonintervention towards Republican policy, "because they won't be able to." Has time and again proven to be, "they did."

#16 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-15 12:13 PM | Reply

Put it on the ballot. Let the majority decide. As with the President. And gun control.

#17 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-05-15 12:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Alabama's near total ban on abortion mirrors the situation in one corner of the UK: Northern Ireland.

But pro-choice campaigners in the region say Northern Irish anti-abortion laws are actually stricter than the legislation Republican senators have introduced in the southern US state.

They point out that, unlike under Alabama's new law, women in Northern Ireland can face jail sentences up to life because the Offences Against the Persons Act 1861 remains in place. Under this piece of Victorian legislation, anyone procuring an abortion – medical staff or pregnant women – can face life imprisonment.

Looks like Alabama will soon be having International visitors it wasn't expecting...

(WoW) Women On Waves Services are provided on a commissioned ship that contains a specially constructed mobile clinic, the "A-Portable". When WoW visits a country, women make appointments, and are taken on board the ship. The ship then sails out approximately 12 miles, to international waters, where Dutch laws are in effect on board ships registered in the Netherlands. Once in international waters, the ship's medical personnel provide a range of reproductive health services that includes medical abortion.

#18 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-05-15 01:45 PM | Reply

I just read where abortion is legal and free in Israel. Alabamians should call for all funding of Israel to be stopped.

#19 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-05-15 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I thought the GOP didn't like unwed mothers. They just voted to create more.

#20 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-15 02:34 PM | Reply

post-birth-abortion-is-cool side.

#15 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2019-05-

Post birth abortion is murder dummy. You've been drinking the Fox news too much.

#21 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-15 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

post-birth-abortion-is-cool side.
#15 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Conservatives love murder.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-15 02:55 PM | Reply

Conservatives want to go back to caveman rules.

If the chick won't sleep with you. Just club her on the head and drag her back into your cave.

Make sure you rape her enough to get her pregnant. Just like god wanted you to.

Then you can sue for parental custody of you child.

Donald Trump and the entire Republican Party are pro rape.

Congratulations, you built that!

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-15 02:58 PM | Reply

Always they say that Roe vs Wade is not in danger. But it is.

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-05-15 03:00 PM | Reply

Without Trump there is no Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. And without those two, these laws never get passed in the first place.

Thanks Trump voters!

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-15 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""Thank you!" - Viable J. Fetus, Esq."

Telling isn't it: you have to play Humpty Dumpty with words to make your point. The fetus is NOT viable at 6 weeks.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-15 03:14 PM | Reply

" versus the EverBortion, my-body, post-birth-abortion-is-cool side."

Lie.

Next?

#27 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-05-15 04:19 PM | Reply

The Republican Party is drunk on power. All restraint is out the window. The party is going all in on every wedge issue imaginable. They see Trump as unstoppable, they see what he's doing on judicial appointments, they know the pendulum is going to swing against them big time, so they're in a frenzy to act before the public can vote them out, throwing every divisive thing they can at the wall to see what sticks.

Starting a trade war with China, throwing people off their Obamacare, cutting taxes to benefit the rich, provoking Iran, straining relations with our allies, and now pursuing a total ban on abortion.

No difference between the parties though.

#28 | Posted by cbob at 2019-05-15 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I just read where abortion is legal and free in Israel. Alabamians should call for all funding of Israel to be stopped "

^
This has the makings of an excellent billboard.

As a bonus, whoever puts it up will be accused of anti-Semitism by right-wingers!

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Republican Party is drunk on power...

Soooo... WHAT goes best with "power"?

trumpwinery.orderport.net

#30 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-05-15 05:13 PM | Reply

FYI...Trump Winery (formerly Kluge Estate Winery and Vineyard) is a Virginia winery situated on Trump Vineyard Estates in Charlottesville, Virginia. The vineyard was purchased by businessman (now U.S. President) Donald Trump in April 2011 and was officially re-opened in October 2011.

They have everything for your Republican party needs including my favorite... the Democrat wine stomping kit (but you better take your shoes off-democrats, like grapes will stain your feet).

#31 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-05-15 05:20 PM | Reply

White Supremacist groups have suggested that these anti-abortion bills don't go far enough. For them to be truly effective in accomplishing what America needs, they should only apply to 'White women'. Stop and think about that for a moment...

OCU

#32 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-05-15 07:17 PM | Reply

A state the ranks 50th in public education doesn't give a fat rat's ass about children.

#33 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-15 07:40 PM | Reply

Alabama will get a lot more black babies.
Black moms have the highest ratio of abortions.
Just like Margaret Sanger wanted, the "mongrels" and "human weeds" she wanted to eliminate are praying right along.

Talk about white supremacy.

#34 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 07:47 PM | Reply

"Alabama will get a lot more black babies.'

Anti-abortion whites are lining up to adopt them, right?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 07:50 PM | Reply

For all of you who claimed Democrats like HRC were no different than Republicans:

Anderson Cooper 360° @AC360

.@JeffreyToobin: "Trump said... 'if I get two or more appointments to the Supreme Court, automatically... Roe V. Wade will be overturned'... I think the President was exactly right. [It's] gone... every woman in Alabama who gets pregnant is going to be forced to give birth soon."

twitter.com

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-15 08:55 PM | Reply

Anti-abortion whites are lining up to adopt them, right?

#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-05-15 07:50 PM | REPLY

Yes. Yes they are. I can't even count the number of my prolife friends that have adopted. NONE of them care about the race. In fact, the majority of their kids are a different race than they are.

Prolife is compassionate.
Prolife is pro-science.

#37 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:14 PM | Reply

"I can't even count the number of my prolife friends that have adopted."

Funny flag.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 09:16 PM | Reply

Roe has hurt adoption.

Here's on article on transracial adoption:

www.nationalreview.com

#39 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:17 PM | Reply

It's MANY.
Many of my prolife friends have adopted.

You compassion-free abortion lovers twist everything.
Open your eyes and look at the evidence.

#40 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:19 PM | Reply

Starting a trade war with China, throwing people off their Obamacare, cutting taxes to benefit the rich, provoking Iran, straining relations with our allies, and now pursuing a total ban on abortion.

Unfortunately. This is what Trumpublicans want. All of it.

Everyone of them.

Democrats are fooling themselves if they believe Republicans are put off by anything Trump has done over the past few years.

Just reading "#NeverTrump" Jeff, a person who wants to be seen as reasonable, constantly gushing support for Trump, should open eyes.

Trump will win in 2020. There's less and less doubt in my mind every day.

America is turning into a useless USSR. The rich are stealing from the poor, destroying employment for middle America. And Trump is forming breadlines for them to collect government handouts.

Dysfunction is all the GOP have to provide America.

#41 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-15 09:19 PM | Reply

"Roe has hurt adoption."

So should government get the last word, or the woman and her doctor?

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-15 09:19 PM | Reply

"It's MANY."

Based on Actual Math, or Republican Math?

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-15 09:21 PM | Reply

DR abortion loving regulars:

Underage girls pregnant from statutory rape:
Kill that baby

Girls pregnant from ------:
Kill that baby

Margaret Sanger wanted to kill minorities, whom she called "mongrels":
Whatever. Kill those babies, and make everyone pay for it.

It's we prolifers than are willing to adopt, pay for it, pay for private charity, give free ultrasounds, and help women even after they killed their babies.
Ohhh, and report the crime of rape and ------, when y'all just want the baby killed and justify PP *NOT* reporting it.

#44 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:23 PM | Reply

Roe has hurt adoption.

Here, educate yourself:

"Of the over 400,000 children in foster care in the U.S., 114,556 cannot be returned to their families and are waiting to be adopted."
adoptionnetwork.com

#45 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-15 09:26 PM | Reply

So should government get the last word, or the plantation owner for his slaves?

#42 | POSTED BY PROSLAVERY DANFORTH AT 2019-05-15 09:19 PM | REPLY | FLAG

That's how you sound.

It all depends on if a human's right are being denied, if an innocent life is adversely affected. Whether it's Dred Scott or Roe, the SCOTUS opinion can be wrong.

If a fetus (meaning literally "little one") is a life, then it's not JUST up to the woman. Two lives are at stake.

#46 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:28 PM | Reply

PP's ratio is 1 adoption for every 149 abortions.

There are certainly rival statistics.

Would you rather those foster children were killed NOW?

#47 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:31 PM | Reply

"It's we prolifers than are willing to adopt, pay for it, pay for private charity, give free ultrasounds, and help women"

Then why do you vote for people who make it harder to have and raise kids? Every time Republicans have been asked to increase prenatal care, or child care credits, or tax money for early childhood development, they vote against it.

Ultimately, this bill isn't about protecting a fetus; it's about controlling women and their reproductive systems. The authors can't even be truthful about the word "viable", so once again their plan is to lie, and expect their constituents to swallow.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-15 09:32 PM | Reply

I can't even count the number of my prolife friends that have adopted

Because you can't count zero.

#49 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-15 09:35 PM | Reply

Dozens. Prolifers adopt all the time.

Do any of you even KNOW prolife people well enough that you've been inside their house?

#50 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:37 PM | Reply

Do any of you even KNOW prolife people well enough that you've been inside their house?

#50 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU AT 2019-05-15 09:37 PM | REPLY

Yes. and i've not met ONE that adopted anything other than a dog.

Anecdotes really don't mean anything, yours or mine.

#51 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-05-15 09:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I can't even count the number of my prolife friends that have adopted.

You probably went to an Alabama public school.

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-15 09:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"Ultimately, this bill isn't about protecting a fetus; it's about controlling women and their reproductive systems."

It's always been about that.

Q: When did the first anti-abortion laws appear in America?

A: At the dawn of the women's rights movement.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 09:40 PM | Reply

Then why do you vote for people who make it harder to have and raise kids? Every time Republicans have been asked to increase prenatal care, or child care credits, or tax money for early childhood development, they vote against it.

Ultimately, this bill isn't about protecting a fetus; it's about controlling women and their reproductive systems. The authors can't even be truthful about the word "viable", so once again their plan is to lie, and expect their constituents to swallow.

#48 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-05-15 09:32 PM | REPLY |

I mentioned private charity. Name the liberal charity that does ANYTHING on this issue.

You statists refuse to see the problems with self-serving government "help" that almost always leads to subsequent generations (usually of the same family) needing more government aid.

You, and others, refuse to see any "care" from babies and mothers other than socialistic programs as legitimate.

Honestly, I don't oppose prenatal governmental care. So stop distracting from the issue.

#54 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:42 PM | Reply

As if being an unwanted child isn't bad enough, you have to live in Alabama.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-15 09:42 PM | Reply

Gotta love the completely inconsistent republicans.

Get government off your back, and into your wifes vag1na.

#56 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-05-15 09:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 3

You probably went to an Alabama public school.

#52 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-05-15 09:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Ole ad hominem Joe, again without an argument.
Lost the argument again, eh?

#57 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:43 PM | Reply

"If a fetus (meaning literally "little one") is a life, then it's not JUST up to the woman. Two lives are at stake."

The fundamental flaw in this line of reasoning is revealed through the observation that eggs are called eggs and chickens are called chickens, and the two terms are never interchangeable.

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 09:44 PM | Reply

"Honestly, I don't oppose prenatal governmental care. "

actually you do exactly that when you vote republican.

Sorry to have to rub your nose in it, but you crapped on the carpet with that one.

#59 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-05-15 09:44 PM | Reply

Q: When did the first anti-abortion laws appear in America?

A: At the dawn of the women's rights movement.
#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-05-15 09:40 PM | REPLY

It could be this. If it's simply an issue of "control," you abortion lovers should be able to produce ONE QUOTE (or YouTube video) of us prolifers saying that's why we gotta pass or advocate for these laws.

The other issue, far more likely, is the advances in medicine and science around the same time.

It's stupid we didn't give women the right to vote as a nation.

#60 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:47 PM | Reply

"PP's ratio is 1 adoption for every 149 abortions."

That's like saying the New England Patriots suck at hitting home runs.

Meanwhile, how many women did they help along with their successful pregnancies? And why didn't you include that stat...did the rest of the equation ruin your talking points?

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-15 09:47 PM | Reply

"DR abortion loving regulars"

It's like you're begging to not be taken seriously, which is convenient, because nobody does; seemingly not even yourself with comments like that.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 09:48 PM | Reply

"you statists"

that don't want the state deciding a womans health issues instead of her and her doctor.

you don't want a smaller government if you're pleased with this decision.

I can't imagine a bigger government overreach than forcing someone to give birth.

#63 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-05-15 09:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The fundamental flaw in this line of reasoning is revealed through the observation that eggs are called eggs and chickens are called chickens, and the two terms are never interchangeable.

#58 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-05-15 09:44 PM | REPLY |

Good point. So where's the line?

We also have "full term fetus that weighs 7 pounds"," "baby," "toddler", preteen and so on. When can we kill that "thing" so we can live consequence free lives?

#64 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:50 PM | Reply

"you abortion lovers should be able to produce ONE QUOTE (or YouTube video) of us prolifers saying that's why we gotta pass or advocate for these laws."

Actions speak much, MUCH louder than words. Ever notice the gender makeup at the pro-control signing ceremonies?

#65 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-15 09:51 PM | Reply

"It's stupid we didn't give women the right to vote as a nation."

Back on topic, we did give women the right to abort.

Abortion was legal in every state in the nation at the time of the Founders.

Was that stupid too?

Why didn't the Founders share your views on abortion, and women's suffrage?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 09:51 PM | Reply

"Good point. So where's the line?"

Go read Roe v Wade.
It's in there.
I'll wait for your explanation of why Roe draws the line wrong.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 09:52 PM | Reply

drive- you want to pass these laws because like most annoying pro life christians you feel that your religious views have to be followed by everyone.

which is how gay marriage somehow ruins straight marriage. you're control freaks.

#68 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-05-15 09:53 PM | Reply

I can't imagine a bigger government overreach than forcing someone to give birth.

#63 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-05-15 09:48 PM | REPLY

A fair point. Although small government conservatives believe the main role of civil government is the protection of innocent life and the administration of justice.

So protecting women's health and that of innocent children is within that primary role.

Federal arts programs, federal mandatory pre-K, the NEA, corporate welfare, and all the other GOP or DEM programs beyond the primary mission of civil government. A simple misunderstanding on your part.

#69 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:55 PM | Reply

"When can we kill that "thing" so we can live consequence free lives?"

I see you're already ascribing to women the motivation of being a ---- as the only rational reason for abortion.

See what we mean about it really being about control?

Of course you do.

Thanks for that softball, too bad it's only served up by a sock puppet.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 09:55 PM | Reply

Good point. So where's the line?"

Go read Roe v Wade.
It's in there.
I'll wait for your explanation of why Roe draws the line wrong.

#67 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-05-15 09:52 PM | FLAG:

And in Dredd Scott, black people weren't human.
For starters. You SURE you want to trust that institution with all things this important.

BESIDES, every prochoice person around refuses to acknowledge Roe's own conclusions about restriction possibilities in the third trimester.

www.care-net.org

#71 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 09:59 PM | Reply

which is how gay marriage somehow ruins straight marriage. you're control freaks.

#68 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2019-05-15 09:53 PM | REPLY |

One quote. Find one.

Snoofy, answer my question.

#72 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 10:01 PM | Reply

And WHO am i a sock puppet for?

Again, you and your ilk need to learn your logical fallacies.
Start with ad hominem attacks.

You at least bring many salient points to a topic. Joe just calls names.

#73 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 10:03 PM | Reply

Whatever happened to the abortion clinic escort, Herm?

#74 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 10:03 PM | Reply

Elizabeth Warren @ewarren

Republican men are on a march toward overturning #RoeVWade. And thanks to Trump stacking the courts with anti-choice judges, they're closer than ever. Women are scared, women are angry -- and we have a right to be. If you're an ally of women, now's the time to make that clear.

To watch the video:

twitter.com

#75 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-15 10:07 PM | Reply

Still waiting for your explanation of why Roe draws the line wrong.

Do you have that, or just bluster and ---- shaming?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:11 PM | Reply

Thomas Aquinas drew the line not far from where Roe puts it, albeit in strikingly sexist fashion.

Was he wrong too?

Moving on to more questions you don't have answers for: Should the state view miscarriages like manslaughter, murder, or what? Should the doctors involved in a pregnancy that doesn't end with live birth be viewed as suspects in a crime ora violation of civil rights?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:16 PM | Reply

"Roe's own conclusions about restriction possibilities in the third trimester."

The Alabama law spits on Roe, while lying about a heartbeat and viability.

#78 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-15 10:21 PM | Reply

Question I saw asked on Twitter:

"If an egg fertilized by a rapist has right to, & authority over, a woman's body, then how far is the GOP from extending the rapist that same right & authority?"

The idea that a fertilized egg deposited by a rapist should have the same rights as the woman who was raped is frankly obscene. It is utterly obscene when the fertilized egg is the product of ------ and the girl who is raped may be as young as 12 or 13.

BTW, those 25 arrogant men in AL who voted on this bill are one reason some women become manhaters.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-05-15 10:22 PM | Reply

"Care Net is an evangelical Christian crisis pregnancy center organization operating primarily in the United States. As a pro-life organization its centers seek to persuade a person not to have an abortion.[1] Headquartered in Northern Virginia, it is the nation's largest affiliation network of pregnancy centers." en.wikipedia.org

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:41 PM | Reply

Still waiting for your explanation of why Roe draws the line wrong.

Do you have that, or just bluster and ---- shaming?

#76 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-05-15 10:11 PM | REPLY

I mentioned Roe's third trimester abortion restrictions (or the possibility thereof) and how every vocal prochoice disagrees (and supports abortiontil the point of birth). That is a monstrous position modern prochoicers take. It's debateable what the 5 in the 5-4 decision on Roe conclude.

Alabama and Georgia more rightly draw the line (compared to Roe): a measurable heartbeat, measurable brain waves and fetal pain are all present at six weeks. 46 years later, science has given us better knowledge. Don't be dogmatic about Roe.

Science points us to more and more prolife positions every day.

#81 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 10:49 PM | Reply

"I can't imagine a bigger government overreach than forcing someone to give birth."

Well, we could have the government rape them, then force them to give birth.

But that's only for migrant girls in detention.

#82 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I mentioned Roe's third trimester abortion restrictions (or the possibility thereof) and how every vocal prochoice disagrees (and supports abortiontil the point of birth)."

Fake news.

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:49 PM | Reply

It is utterly obscene when the fertilized egg is the product of ------ and the girl who is raped may be as young as 12 or 13.

#79 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-05-15 10:22 PM | REPLY

So YOU want that baby dead?
And should PP report that child molestation or not?
They usually do NOT.

#84 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 10:51 PM | Reply

"46 years later, science has given us better knowledge."

You're saying people didn't realize a six-week old fetus wasn't a human life until scientists recently pointed it out?
Laughable.
Science hasn't done anything to change our understanding of where babies come from.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:52 PM | Reply

#83 how is that fake news?

I posted a link. That's verifiable.

Don't like losing the debate, Snoofy?

#86 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 10:52 PM | Reply

"So YOU want that baby dead?"

Nobody said that.
We want that baby's fate to rest with the party most affected by its existence.
Why don't you?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:53 PM | Reply

"I posted a link. That's verifiable."

BS.

You mis-characterized the reason for legal late-term abortion, while elective late-term abortion is already illegal in something like 46 states.

Fake news.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 10:54 PM | Reply

46>50 states.
The 4 states matter.

Can a woman kill a 6 month old baby?
The mom is still the one most affected by that baby's existence.

Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

#89 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 10:58 PM | Reply

"Can a woman kill a 6 month old baby?"

Is a baby a person?
Is a fetus a person?
Therein lies the difference.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-15 11:00 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

So do YOU have a problem with a surgical abortion ending the life of a healthy white full term "fetus?"

Your answer to that will help me answer you.

#91 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 11:08 PM | Reply

Say 8 hours before the scheduled induction of the mom, to have her baby.

#92 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-15 11:09 PM | Reply

" a measurable heartbeat, measurable brain waves and fetal pain are all present at six weeks. "

You're lying.
www.livescience.com

#93 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-16 12:26 AM | Reply

From my above link:
"...science shows that based on gestational age, the fetus is not capable of feeling pain until the third trimester," said Kate Connors, a spokesperson for ACOG. The third trimester begins at about 27 weeks of pregnancy.

The article goes on to explain the neurons which transfer pain signals to the brain haven't developed at 6 weeks. Or 16 weeks, for that matter.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-16 12:30 AM | Reply

My bad. But measurable brain waves and a heartbeat ARE detectable at six weeks.

Danforth, can you agree surgical abortion of a full term fetus is wrong?
After the fetus can clearly feel pain is wrong?
How about every single surgical abortion that stops a beating heart is wrong? Which is basically every surgical abortion?

If you don't agree all three are wrong, then your above points are really just semantics.

#95 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 01:12 AM | Reply

"can you agree surgical abortion of a full term fetus is wrong?"

You're an idiot if you believe women are regularly aborting healthy 32-week old fetuses. In almost every case of a third trimester abortion, it's due to abnormalities or mortal danger.

"After the fetus can clearly feel pain is wrong?"

How about telling the truth about pain first.

"How about every single surgical abortion"

I'm not pro-abortion. I'm anti government control.

"If you don't agree all three are wrong, then your above points are really just semantics."

Nonsense. You're ignoring the fact the woman's life is always at some risk. Because of that alone, the woman should have the last word. It's not your choice, and it's not my choice.

#96 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-16 01:27 AM | Reply

And once abortion is declared illegal, birth control will be next on the list.

And let's think about an America where miscarriages will be investigated as potential crimes and pregnant women will be restricted from traveling to certain countries.

This is the proverbial slippery slope...

OCU

#97 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-05-16 02:26 AM | Reply

birth control will be next on the list.

#97 | POSTED BY OCUSER

Birth control is already on the list.

www.statenews.org

FTA:

"This bill will have grave impacts on Ohio's infant and maternal mortality rate," Miracle says.

And she says that's not all. She says it will ban insurance from covering popular methods of birth control.

"Birth control pills, IUD's and other methods of birth control like that – the bill states that any birth control that could act to stop a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus is considered an abortion under this bill," Miracle says.

#98 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-16 06:01 AM | Reply

The very fact Alabama is 50th in the nation in education shows they don't give a ---- about children.

#99 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-16 06:41 AM | Reply

#96
Danforth, you won't answer a single question honestly and directly.

Yet you want your questions answered.

You're either a manipulator or a hypocrite. Or both.

#100 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 07:23 AM | Reply

The very fact Alabama is 50th in the nation in education shows they don't give a ---- about children.

It really is tiresome to listen to conservatives pretending to be pro-life. Red states have the worst infant mortality rates in the country. And when the people they vote for oppose things like a first-world parental leave policy or universal prenatal care, you see how much they really care about "life."

#101 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-16 08:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So do YOU have a problem with a surgical abortion ending the life of a healthy white full term "fetus?""

Depends on the reason.

If it's medically indicated, then of course I do.

If it's medically indicated, why don't you?
???

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-16 09:07 AM | Reply

Snoofy, so there are abortions you are opposed to.
Great.

So really the debate is where to draw the line.

Roe leaves us options, but there is a starting point.

#103 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 10:11 AM | Reply

Put it on the ballot. Let the majority decide. As with the President. And gun control.

#17 | POSTED BY PHESTEROBOYLE

Funny how it's always righties who are abjectly ignorant of how our government works.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-16 11:22 AM | Reply

If a fetus (meaning literally "little one") is a life, then it's not JUST up to the woman. Two lives are at stake.

#46 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

Considering you're neither of them why don't you STFU?

#105 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-16 11:30 AM | Reply

So protecting women's health and that of innocent children is within that primary role.

Except they don't do a thing to protect women's health. They usually act against it.

Is there any righty anywhere who isnt completely a shameless liar?

#106 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-16 11:34 AM | Reply

Looking at this law, the overly extremist position of not excluding rape or ------ as well as the harsh treatment for doctors of life in jail seems to me that they want the bill to fail just so they continue to tell the dummies that vote only on abortion..."See we tried, but these damn activist judges foiled us again!"

#107 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-16 12:30 PM | Reply

"The greatest destroyer of Love and Peace is Abortion"

Mother Teresa

#108 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-05-16 01:18 PM | Reply

On one hand, Republicans want to 'save unborn babies' by taking away a women's rights.

On the other, they adamantly object to taking away gun rights for weapons that kill tens of thousands of people a year in America. Oh, and take away health insurance, school lunch programs, and other things that the born need to survive.

Make sense? Doesn't to me either.

#109 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-16 01:51 PM | Reply

Americanunity,

Let me explain it:

Fetuses are living human beings, who have a heartbeat and measurable brain waves and at some point feel pain. (See The Silent Scream).
These babies also have not committed any crimes, and been sentenced to death by a jury of their peers, with NUMEROUS proper due process protections. Therefore we do not support their murder. The woman's body ends where their body begins.

Convicted murderers are found GUILTY by a jury of their peers and have all the rights found above.
Prolife means we protect innocent life.
Imprisoning and executing those found guilty (with very strict due process protections, is actually prolife.

No one has produced a quote of a prolifers talking about or writing about how they want to control women, we talk about how we want to save babies, help women (look at the high rates of suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, and subsequent abuse of "wanted" children to the same women), and help the subsequently born children. There are way more crisis pregnant centers than abortion clinics in this country.

On why SOME prolifers aren't for big government programs, there are valid reasons. MANY prolifers love those big government programs.

Ever seen a poll on the subject?

So many of you that either suck on the teet of big government or want other to suck it can't get over this subject. You should do your own research on the subject.

I'm glad for many of our government programs that help the poor, the elderly, the sick and so forth. I'm glad for the private charities that do it too.

#110 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 02:05 PM | Reply

#110 | Posted by drivelikejehu

Tell all that to the families of students gunned down by assault weapons at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, or the synagogue, or any of the other dozen sites of mass shootings. I'm sure they'd like to the lives of their loved ones back.

Oh, but it's so important to protect the rights of people to carry assault weapons, right? Can't be taking away those rights. Oh, no! We've got to expand them, if anything!! - Republicans.

Either you're 'pro-life' and support protecting the lives of everyone or your not.

Most Republicans stand against social safety nets and "Obamacare" or funding child health programs or women's health clinics where abortion is a small percentage of the services they provide in addition to cancer screenings, STD prevention, prenatal care, and more ...

Saving 'the unborn' while standing against saving 'the born' is a double standard that cannot be parsed into logic.

#111 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-16 02:13 PM | Reply

Considering you're neither of them why don't you STFU?

#105 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-05-16 11:30 AM | REPLY

Make me, Jezebel

And you have no idea what gender I am.

And you have no problem accepting the opinions of the 5 who decided Roe-WHO ARE MEN!

#112 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 02:18 PM | Reply

Americanunity,

What has killed the most people:
(1). Americas abortion holocaust
(2). Communist revolutions in the 1900s
(3). The Inquisition
(4). American gun deaths.

Look it up then realize your point is laughable in the face of historical facts.

You don't have to acknowledge the facts, but there they are, staring you in the face.

#113 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 02:21 PM | Reply

#111, were you not intelligent enough to read that plenty of prolifers like government programs?

Go find a straw man to punch. A real one.

#114 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 02:23 PM | Reply

"What has killed the most people:"

You're playing Humpty Dumpty with words. "Kill" has a definition. So does "people".

#115 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-16 02:26 PM | Reply

"Kill" has a definition. So does "people".

#115 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Abortion is killing.

It's long been a matter of debate as to whether or not "fetus" is "person".

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 02:32 PM | Reply

Here is your answer from prolifers:
twitter.com

#117 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 02:51 PM | Reply

Danforth,
Here's a special one just for you:

What has killed the most people:
(1).
(2). Communist revolutions in the 1900s
(3). The Inquisition
(4). American gun deaths.

Now answer the question.

#118 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 02:53 PM | Reply

A snarky woman asked what individuals have done for single moms.

#119 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 02:59 PM | Reply

The interesting thing is that Danforth is just like proslavery people in the 1800s, minimizing and redefining who is and is not a bonafide person, saying shee like "well it ain't really ‘killing' if they are property/a clump of cells.'

#120 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 03:02 PM | Reply

#120 Just because you reject scientific consensus does not mean aborting a clump of cells is the same as slavery.

Forcing women to carry inbred alabama rape babies is similar to slavery, though. No one educated will argue against that.

#121 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-16 03:07 PM | Reply

#121

#1
Show a citation on the scientific consensus.

#2
No one educated will argue..
Bwahahaha. You don't know anything about science, or humility.

#3
So you want the baby dead and the mom to have an increased risk of suicide, breast cancer and addiction?

#122 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 03:12 PM | Reply

JERU

Republicans are forever trying to expand the rights of anyone to buy, own, and use military assault weapons that were designed for one purpose: to kill. And they've killed A LOT of people, but no action whatsoever by Republicans to even ensure people buying them at gun shows or in private transactions are legally able to. In fact, they've opposed even those common sense measures.

As to social safety nets, you are among the minority of Republicans who support programs that save lives.

My wife and I, self employed, are now finally able to purchase good health insurance we couldn't before the PPACA, aka "Obamacare." Republicans even want to take THAT away from us.

Republican hypocrisy is blatant and purposeful.

#123 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-16 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A snarky woman asked what individuals have done for single moms.

#119 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

Yep. On Twitter. And she was flooded with responses by people who walk the walk.

To her credit, her follow-up to all of the responses she got was anything but snarky.

She seemed genuinely surprised that so many people sacrifice so much of themselves to help others, in this case needy children and low-income single moms.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 03:21 PM | Reply

"Forcing women to carry inbred alabama rape babies is similar to slavery, though."

It enslaves women, nine months at a time. With an optional 18 year extension.

Naturally, the slavers argue they are honoring human life, not enslaving it.

I don't think they're capable of sufficient intellectual honesty to even acknowledge that construing rights is a balancing act, or what hangs in the balance.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-16 03:30 PM | Reply

-My wife and I, self employed, are now finally able to purchase good health insurance we couldn't before the PPACA, aka "Obamacare." Republicans even want to take THAT away from us.

I am employed and have benefits there so I haven't had to personally deal with this stuff.

But my clients who are farmers primarily have seen the "good health insurance" dry up since the passage of Obamacare.

What kind of plan are you able to get and for what cost?

#126 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-16 03:31 PM | Reply

"A snarky woman asked what individuals have done for single moms."

The problem here is the GOP anti-abortion non-snarky answer is: Delivered them a miracle in the form of rape and unwanted motherhood.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-16 03:33 PM | Reply

"It's long been a matter of debate as to whether or not "fetus" is "person"."

Who debates this? Name names. Teach the controversy.

Point is, I'm pretty sure you're lying.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-16 03:35 PM | Reply

It's long been a matter of debate as to whether or not "fetus" is "person".

Not by anyone with any knowledge of biology.

Seems like the only people confused by this are people who get overwhelmed by emotional attachment. By the concept of a child.

Either way. What right do you have to tell another person what to do with their bodies?

You don't. You're a megalomaniac. Religion gives you a false sense of superiority. A false sense of justification for your beliefs.

Leave people alone to deal with their lives the way they see fit.

#129 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 03:44 PM | Reply

Hey Eberly,

Have your farming neighbors figured out that Trump is trying to bankrupt them?

Just curious.

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-16 03:52 PM | Reply

"Danforth, you won't answer a single question honestly and directly. "

What a coincidence: you won't frame a single question honestly and directly. I've stated clearly where I stand, I agree with the additional points JPW and Snoofy made, and it ultimately comes down to who decides, the government, or the woman whose life is at risk?

#131 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-16 03:55 PM | Reply

130

yes...some at least.

#132 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-16 03:56 PM | Reply

"Danforth is just like proslavery people "

Can you taste the stupid when you post something that dumb?

#133 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-05-16 03:58 PM | Reply

Either way. What right do you have to tell another person what to do with their bodies?
You don't. You're a megalomaniac. Religion gives you a false sense of superiority. A false sense of justification for your beliefs.
Leave people alone to deal with their lives the way they see fit.

#129 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Jeez. How much can you get wrong in 1 post.

I'll spell it out for you.

1. I was raised Catholic and consider myself a Christian. I haven't practiced my faith since getting out of college - that would be 26 years.

2. I am pro-choice and think abortion needs to be legal through the first trimester, in cases of rape or ------, or late in pregnancy if the mother's life or physical health is at risk.

I know you were just trolling, but you need to be more subtle if you want it to be effective.

#134 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 04:02 PM | Reply

Clown,

The concept of personhood isn't a scientific debate, it's a philosophical debate and it's as old as civilized man itself.

#135 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

a fetus (meaning literally "little one")

No. It doesn't.

#136 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 04:04 PM | Reply

As it pertains to the personhood debate, it will eventually take place when AI reaches a certain level of sophistication, like HAL in 2001.

#137 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 04:04 PM | Reply

-Not by anyone with any knowledge of biology.

No, it's being debated by plenty of folks on both sides with all sorts of knowledge.

-What right do you have to tell another person what to do with their bodies?

right now there are restrictions on abortions. The difference is that most restrictions are considered reasonable by most in the pro-choice crowd.

It's about degrees and where we draw the line.....but we DO draw a line on what people can do with their bodies.

Alabama in attempting to draw the line too far away from where Roe says it should be.

#138 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-16 04:05 PM | Reply

Alabama in attempting to draw the line too far away from where Roe says it should be.

#138 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It will go to court, for sure.

I'm telling you right now, Roberts is nervous about this. He's hoping a lower court will rule it as unconstitutional. If that happens, no way he allows an appeal to come to SCOTUS.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-16 04:12 PM | Reply

a fetus (meaning literally "little one")

No. It doesn't.

#136 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-05-16 04:04 PM | REPL

Teach us then. It's from Latin...I figured you didn't know

#140 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 04:56 PM | Reply

EVERLY

There were NO good plans we could buy into pre-ACA. The best thing we could find were catastrophic plans.

Now, we have CIGNA through the health exchange. Thanks to GOP skullduggary, BCBS pulled out.

#141 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-16 04:56 PM | Reply

Men could easily put an end to the vast majority of abortions without passing a single law by the simple act of being selective about who they sleep with and when they opt to not use condoms. Don't want women to have abortions? Then don't get a woman pregnant who doesn't want to have a baby with you.

Issue addressed. No government intervention needed. No human rights stripped from anyone.

#142 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-05-16 05:10 PM | Reply

#140

Borrowed from Latin fētus ("offspring").

Again. You're wrong.

Not that it's a surprise.

#143 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 05:20 PM | Reply

Not by anyone with any knowledge of biology.

No, it's being debated by plenty of folks on both sides with all sorts of knowledge.
#138 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Really. There are biologists arguing that a fetus is a person?

Let's see all the articles and citations you have on the subject

Or, you can just admit you like the taste of Jeff's dong.

Pony up buttercup.

#144 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-16 05:24 PM | Reply

144

my point is that folks with an education in science argue on both sides....IOW, it's more philosophical than science. As Jeff's dong said....

you don't care about the science anymore than a biologist will. You care about the right of the woman. Fair enough...it's the same with me.

If a fetus could crawl out of a woman and beat your ass in a game of poker, you'd still argue for the right of the mother to terminate the pregnancy.....so you can just admit that.

It's not about the science to you....

#145 | Posted by eberly at 2019-05-16 05:40 PM | Reply

Men could easily put an end to the vast majority of abortions without passing a single law by the simple act of being selective about who they sleep with and when they opt to not use condoms. Don't want women to have abortions? Then don't get a woman pregnant who doesn't want to have a baby with you.

Issue addressed. No government intervention needed. No human rights stripped from anyone.

#142 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE AT 2019-05-16 05:10 PM | REPLY

This is correct.
It's a good place to start: men take responsibility!
Almost every issue in our society would get better.

#146 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 06:03 PM | Reply

#122 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

The scientific consensus is that sex is a biological trait and gender is a psychological construct. The fact that you've got too many chromosomes doesn't suddenly make gender and sex the same thing.

#147 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-05-16 06:57 PM | Reply

Wrong thread, Indy?

#148 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-05-16 07:46 PM | Reply

Make me, Jezebel

LOL so anybody who disagrees with you must be a radical feminist loon?

Idiot.

And you have no idea what gender I am.

Well then rub my face in my comment and reveal that you're a woman.

And you have no problem accepting the opinions of the 5 who decided Roe-WHO ARE MEN!

#112 | Posted by drivelikejehu

Because they erred on the side of staying out of other people's business.

Something you "c-c-conservatives" have always claimed to be all about.

#149 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-16 08:06 PM | Reply

#118 | Posted by drivelikejehu

Way to move the goalposts.

Gun violence killed 40,000 people LAST YEAR!

Oh, but that 'right' is sacrosanct. No closing the gun show loophole, no banning weapons of war, no universal background checks, no requirement to register every gun like we do freaking cars. Nope, Republicans are against all of them.

And that's just guns. Start including all the Republican states that refused to expand Medicaid and provide access to health care for millions of Americans, or defunded school lunch and children's health care programs, women's health clinics that provide cancer screenings and prenatal care, ... the list could go on more words than a single post can contain.

Take your goalposts and hit yourself over the head. Then think about it.

You're either 'pro-life' or you aren't. Y'all act as though life ENDS once you're born!

#150 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-05-17 04:58 AM | Reply

It is just zealot ignorance people thinking abortion should be stopped in anyway, history has apparently failed in their studies.

#151 | Posted by Crassus at 2019-05-17 05:17 AM | Reply

Florida: I'm the most fkkked up state!

Alabama: Hold my sister.

#152 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-17 01:37 PM | Reply

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