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Sorry, someone has to say it. I think Season 8 is a cultural phenomena so I think it is appropriate for this board.

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So many expectations, so much disappointment. This is what the Mueller report felt like for the Liberals. So many plot holes so many unrealistic scenarios. All the enemies built up as unbeatable swept aside - Night King, Golden Company, Iron Fleet, Scorpion ballistas...this show wrecked it legacy in Season 8. Am I the only one disappointed?

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Who gives a ----?

#1 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-13 05:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So many expectations, so much disappointment. This is what the Mueller report felt like for the Liberals."

Will you look at this.

This retarded ---- even spams its own threads.

Kudos for actually starting one yourself and then spamming it, you crayon eating ------.

Any chance you can give the other waterheads a class on how the forum works? It would really clean the site up if people could follow the discussions.

#2 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-13 05:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IRA

"Am I the only one disappointed?"

No, you're not. I felt the same way. Something went terribly wrong in the E-5 episode. For some reason it just didn't measure up to the former production standards for all the reason's you stated. In fact, it looked downright cheap and never seemed to hit it's mark with the usual cliffhangers. So yeah, I was a little disappointed but that doesn't mean I'm not going to stick it out to the end. I'm terminally hooked!

#3 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 05:56 AM | Reply

This episode may have sucked, but it's nothing compared to all the sucking that used to go on in the Reagan Whitehouse.

www.washingtonpost.com

#4 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-05-13 06:06 AM | Reply

SILENCE

Game of Thrones does seem to mirror a lot of today's political escapades ~ only medieval style.

It's been a spectacular production and probably just as expensive ~ just like Washington D.C. and all their contenders for the Iron(fisted) Throne.

#5 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 06:16 AM | Reply

"So yeah, I was a little disappointed but that doesn't mean I'm not going to stick it out to the end. I'm terminally hooked!
#3 | POSTED BY TWINPAC "

I will make it to the end too - but this was pretty terrible. How did the Hound and Arrya just march on into King's Landing? Was it the black hood hiding the 6'5" dude with a sword? Why didn't John just send a bunch of Stark men the same and then open the gates? What was the point of the Golden Company? What about the Iron Bank? Why was Yaron the only one to wash ashore? Why did John's own troops not obey him? Just stupid. I used to love this show but this last season was just ridiculous.

#6 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-13 07:20 AM | Reply

It wasn't that bad. It could have been Lost's final season.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 08:08 AM | Reply

Not enough porn in that episode for you boys?

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-13 08:09 AM | Reply

"Not enough porn in that episode for you boys?
#8 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN "

Nah. I just feel like the writers through 8 years of character development out the window along with any semblance of realism they were able to capture (given it is a show with magic and dragons). I think they also killed interest in the planned spin-offs.

#9 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-13 08:22 AM | Reply

IRA

All good questions. The episode had holes in it big enough the drive a semi through. Why did Jamie wait so long to get Cersi out of there when the castle was clearly crumbling beneath her feet? Why didn't we see Yaron get captured? She just suddenly showed up, captured and in chains. Why was there any question about what Daenery planned to do after witnessing the vicious beheading of Yaron? Why was there even any need for John's army when Daenery and the dragon wiped out the whole place singlehandedly.

And when did that dragon get so much extra firepower. In the past, the dragons could only cough it up in quick spurts. Suddenly Daenery's last dragon turned into a regular flame thrower with no off button.

And where's the cliffhanger? Are John and Daenery going to get married and rule the Seven Kingdoms together? Or is Daenery's quest for the Iron Throne so powerful that she'll kill John, the rightful heir to the Iron Throne but also the man she dearly loves and whose baby she is carrying, so she can keep it all for herself? And what about John's half sister? She's still at Winterfel but does she also has a gleam in her eye for the Iron Throne herself? Will she kill John now that she knows he's the true heir?

I don't even call those real cliffhangers. Not like when they had a million strong Army of the Dead camped at Winterfel's doorstep.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 08:24 AM | Reply

"And when did that dragon get so much extra firepower. In the past, the dragons could only cough it up in quick spurts. Suddenly Daenery's last dragon turned into a regular flame thrower with no off button.
#10 | POSTED BY TWINPAC"

Yep. I also counted a total of 3 scorpion shots - from a deadly accurate weapon in E04 to useless in E05. Also, seems the whole army was resurrected from E03 which makes that episode cheaper and cheaper. I suspect we will have Arya kill Danny now and get it over with.

#11 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-13 08:44 AM | Reply

And where's the cliffhanger?

#10 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2019-05-13 08:24 AM | REPLY

There is no cliffhanger coming. John is going to murder Dany as she approaches the Iron Throne and take the black (again). Tyrion is going to pay for his treason. After that, they pick a new king and everybody goes home.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 08:53 AM | Reply

and good riddance. Least competent ruler, biggest butcher. The only people upset are the ones that named their kids khaleesi thinking she's the great white hope, liberating the ------- for peace and prosperity.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 09:00 AM | Reply

I thought it was well done. It made more sense than the previous episode and was arguably better than the battle of Winterfell. Yeah, I agree things felt rushed this season and it would've benefited from more time/episodes. I'm guessing they had to wrap it up for logistical reasons, and that many on the cast wanted to move on to other projects.

#14 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-13 09:48 AM | Reply

HBO offered them 10 episodes and a bigger budget to do it all. The showrunners declined.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 09:53 AM | Reply

"scorpion shots - from a deadly accurate weapon in E04 to useless in E05"

The only reason they got Dany's other dragon was because it was both injured and caught off guard.

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-13 10:12 AM | Reply

"The only reason they got Dany's other dragon was because it was both injured and caught off guard.
#16 | POSTED BY SENTINEL "

Yes, they didn't expect her to attack from the sky this time. Probably explains why they were shooting 20 arrow barrages in E4 and only shot 3 times total this episode. Poor writing.

#17 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-13 10:15 AM | Reply

Official explanation from the show runners: "She kind of forgot there was an Iron Fleet".

Pay no attention to the cut scene where her advisers explained to her the problem of the Iron Fleet, right before the dragon was killed by it.

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 10:22 AM | Reply

"HBO offered them 10 episodes and a bigger budget to do it all. The showrunners declined."

Source? What was the reason they declined?

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-13 10:28 AM | Reply

It's all over reddit. Try /r/freefolk. They source materials for the claim were posted. They declined, officially, because they felt 6 was enough to end the story.

More likely a combination of burnout, actors wanting to move on, how long the project ran for, and lack of source material with RR Martin's final book unpublished still.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 10:31 AM | Reply

"Source? What was the reason they declined?
#19 | POSTED BY SENTINEL"

Dan and Dave, aka Dumb and Dumber are rumored to have been picked for Star Wars so needed to wrap it up.

#21 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-13 10:32 AM | Reply

#18, yeah, I think I noted at the time that episode 4 was full of people making inexplicably dumb decisions. Definitely the weakest episode this season. Episode 5 was much better than the previous two.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-13 10:32 AM | Reply

"are rumored to have been picked for Star Wars so needed to wrap it up."

Well there you go. I bet they weren't the only ones on the show who wanted to move on to something else.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-13 10:36 AM | Reply

"What was the point of the Golden Company?"

Zero point for him and Harry Strickland.

"The only people upset are the ones that named their kids khaleesi thinking she's the great white hope, liberating the ------- for peace and prosperity."

Do you really think that is what is behind parents choice to name their kids after Danerys?

"John is going to murder Dany as she approaches the Iron Throne and take the black (again)."

What's the point of the Night's Watch now that the Night King has been defeated.

"Not enough porn in that episode for you boys?"

Still not over Ros.

#24 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-05-13 10:38 AM | Reply

Do you really think that is what is behind parents choice to name their kids after Danerys?
"John is going to murder Dany as she approaches the Iron Throne and take the black (again)."
What's the point of the Night's Watch now that the Night King has been defeated.

#24 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE AT 2019-05-13 10:38 AM | REPLY

Sarcasm. She wasn't intended to be the Great White Hope freeing brown people. It's just how it goes when you need hundreds of extras sourced from one locale, you can't accurately represent the Greek style slavery George RR Martin wrote it up as. It has been the source of many memes.

What's the point of flying a dragon at 10,000 feet and not seeing the enemy fleet right in front of you when there's no overcast? Don't expect solid writing here. The spoilers have been freakishly accurate. They'd have been better off having Bronn shoot both Targaryans and cutting to black Sopranos style.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 10:45 AM | Reply

We're discussing a show where the Night King was just a mcguffin to bleed the mad queen's army.. which was promptly CGI'd up to troop levels where it didn't seem to happen at all. Not a lot of consistency in season 8...

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 10:50 AM | Reply

"What's the point of the Night's Watch now that the Night King has been defeated."

Canadians.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-13 11:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

the Mountain dispatching Qyburn was pretty satisfying. All that Qyburn was and will ever be-- dashed like a spilled bowl of porridge upon the rubble of King's Landing.

My favorite part? When Sandor frustratingly growls "FOOKING DIE! while stabbing his brother all over the place.

#28 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-05-13 12:05 PM | Reply

Gut reaction: As long as I don't think too much about it, I liked it. Most of the problems with the episode were the result of pacing - too much happening in a short amount of time. There are a couple plot points I would've preferred to have gone differently, but this far into the series, I've come to accept that the ideas that I think SHOULD have happened never will.

The thing about the scorpions is that last week, I remember angry fans (it seems like that's the only kind there are nowadays) were pointing out the Dany could have easily taken her other dragon behind the iron fleet and they wouldn't have had time to turn the scorpions before she torched them all. From a tactics perspective, I think she was successful in this episode because she came in much higher than they were expecting in her initial attack, and she changed angles frequently enough that they couldn't track her as easily as before. It's the same thing with the scorpions on the wall: she initially just came in very low, and by the time they re-aimed low, she was flanking them and behind them.

#29 | Posted by dylanfan at 2019-05-13 12:15 PM | Reply

The whole scorpion thing is pretty stupid to begin with.

Not the idea (they're a historical weapon so not arguing that) but more the cartoonish look of the projectiles (looked like they belonged in WoW where physics is irrelevant) and the utter absurdity of what they had them do.

There's no way a ship mounted scorpion would have been that accurate (three prompt direct hits), would have had that sort of altitude and been a surprise for Daenarys. If they had line of sight to fire she should have seen them long before they were a danger.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2019-05-13 12:26 PM | Reply

Simpler answer, plot armor. Even the horse gets some.

From savior to war criminal leading a band of marauding immigrant brown people that massacred a surrendering army and ran through the streets raping everything not on fire. Don't worry, she will be brought low by the masculine great white hope.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 12:29 PM | Reply

SENTINEL

"What's the point of the Night's Watch now that the Night King has been defeated."

You're right. We didn't hear much about the Night Watch or their lifetime commitment once the Night King used Daenery's ressurected-from-the-dead dragon to melt the Ice Wall and destroy the Night Watch's base of operation. Once the Night King took a daggar between the ribs and his whole army turn to dust, there was nothing to protect against. Thus no Night Watch.

I thought the whole idea of a "liftime commitment" was kind of stupid anyway. They were sort of like some version of the Knights of the Round Table I suppose. (or Donald Trump's cabinet)

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 12:29 PM | Reply

Brann is going to end up on the Iron Throne at this rate. All of the women leaders in GoT turned out to be exceptionally evil.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

SITZKRIEG

A lot of characters will have to die . . . and soon . . . before we know the answer to that.

As far as I can tell, there are no more great wars to be fought ~ unless John and Daenery get married and there's a battle over who's going to be the boss of Westeros.

#34 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 01:05 PM | Reply

Can't be married. She'll murder all the Starks. Can't have a free North.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 01:06 PM | Reply

After pretending to care about her subjects for years the blonde queen proceeded to burn everything and everybody alive, including mostly everything made of stone, everyone that surrendered and her own troops. All the drama and realistic violence vanished in one episode.

#36 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-05-13 01:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

SITZKRIEG

"Can't be married. She'll murder all the Starks. Can't have a free North."

But she can't afford to have a bastard child either. Who's going to inherit the Iron Throne.
I wonder if this means that Arya will have to kill Daenery which Arya is on a mission to do anyway.

That would certainly be a dramatic end to one problem.

#37 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 02:23 PM | Reply

Jon, by sword, in the throneroom.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-13 03:14 PM | Reply

BAY

I wouldn't call it realistic violence. The props looked like they were made from balsa wood.

#39 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 04:11 PM | Reply

SITZKRIEG

"Jon, by sword, in the throneroom."

You might be right. There's lot's of speculation Daenery goes completely mad and Jon is forced into a position of condeming her to death which means he will have to wield the sword himself.

So sayeth the soothsayers.

#40 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-13 06:12 PM | Reply

Brann is going to end up on the Iron Throne at this rate. All of the women leaders in GoT turned out to be exceptionally evil.
#33 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2019-05-13 12:30 PM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 1

I agree it's probable no Targaryen or dragon will survive.

#41 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-05-13 10:23 PM | Reply

I heard they filmed multiple endings to avoid leaks. But, when Jon was asked to describe the ending in one word, his word was "disappointing". Not a good sign.

Rumors abound from Bran being made King after Jon/Arya take or Dany to Sansa becoming queen after similar.

To be honest, what I would like to see is:

1.) Jon takes out Dany, then renounces the throne to return North where there are new signs of the Night King. However, he is ambushed and killed by a combo attack by Daarios Naharis (remember him?) and Yara
2.) Arya marries Gendry - who is made King of the 7 kingdoms based on Baratheons being the last legit King and takes Davos as his hand
3.) Brieann (sp?) is pregnant with Jamie's kid and is given Casterly Rock
4.) Tyrion is executed by Dany prior to Jon killing her
5.) High Garden is given to Sam

Even with all this improbably stuff, we still have total messes with: The Vale, the Tullys, the Iron Islands, all of Esos, what happens to Drogon, the absolute most rushed element - what happens to Bronn.

#42 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-13 11:11 PM | Reply

"what happens to Bronn"

If you think about it, he has the biggest motivation to kill Dany if she threatens to execute Tyrion.

#43 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-14 12:10 AM | Reply

"If you think about it, he has the biggest motivation to kill Dany if she threatens to execute Tyrion.
#43 | POSTED BY SENTINEL"

But, if he kills Dany, Tyrion will have little power to give him anything. In the case that he doesn't kill Dany, why would Tyrion "pay up"? Much easier just to have him killed off so he can't ask for anything else. Plus, he needs to explain to Dany that Bronn gets High Garden in exchange for not assassinating him - and that Bronn fought against her? Makes no sense. GRRM basically said that the role Bronn has is completely outsized from the book simply because the fans liked him on TV.

#44 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-14 01:05 AM | Reply

"But, if he kills Dany, Tyrion will have little power to give him anything."

Actually, with the re-usurper Dany out of the way, Tyrion would be the rightful heir to the throne under the status quo. If there are no children to the last king/queen, the line of succession is to go to the next living sibling.

#45 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-14 01:22 AM | Reply

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