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Tuesday, May 07, 2019

Former Vice President Joe Biden has a 32-point lead in the Democratic presidential race in a Hill-HarrisX poll released Monday.

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Clearly the smart money in the Democratic Party realizes that Biden has the best chance of beating Donnie Little Hands.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-06 05:48 PM | Reply

SO, you'll be voting and campaigning for the Dem nominee, that is, against Trump rather than throwing your vote away again and helping to enable him?

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2019-05-06 05:57 PM | Reply

#2

I'm in CA Corky, which Biden is going to win going away, so my vote doesn't matter. Howvever and as I said in 2016, if Biden is the nominee then yes, I will probably vote for him.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-06 05:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Seems awful skewed towards Whitey.
Did they poll de negro Andrew Gillum?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-05-06 06:04 PM | Reply

I think this pretty much wraps up a Trump win in 2020. I suspect the GOP will lay off Biden until he is pretty much has the Dem nomination in the bag - then go all out on his declining mental faculties, corrupt kids, inappropriate touching, and lack of ideas other than bringing back failed Obama policies.

The rest of the Dems will be wise to not go too hard now - they are all playing for 2024 against Pence.

#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-07 02:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Seems awful skewed towards Whitey.
Did they poll de negro Andrew Gillum?
#4 | POSTED BY SNOOFY "

Your comment seems pretty skewed towards racist liberal. Did you give glances to both sides before typing negro?

#6 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-07 02:12 AM | Reply

| Posted by iragoldberg

Are you really Jewish?

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-07 07:44 AM | Reply

then go all out on his declining mental faculties, corrupt kids, inappropriate touching, and lack of ideas

#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-07 02:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

You talking about Biden or Trump?

#8 | Posted by Zed at 2019-05-07 07:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I suspect the GOP will lay off Biden until he is pretty much has the Dem nomination in the bag - then go all out on his declining mental faculties, corrupt kids, inappropriate touching, and lack of ideas other than bringing back failed Obama policies."

Hmmm. I don't know if the GOP is going to go all out on characteristics that Trump has exhibited himself...sometimes to far greater effect.

#9 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-07 07:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm not sure how much to care about a poll this far out from the primary. But if Biden really is the best the Dems can do this time around, that is profoundly sad and they deserve to lose.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-07 07:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Yeah let's nominate someone who excites on one, who stands for no progreesive ideas and who sponsored the bill which keeps millions indebted up to their eyeballs. I'm not supporting Biden, I want a progressive not a reactionary even if he has a D by his name.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-07 07:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll likely vote for Biden. I think he's a pretty solid dude. The catch is going to be who the VOP nom is. I suspect it will be someone who is completely OTL in order to satisfy those further left.

If he went with Andrew Yang, I would definitely vote for him.

#12 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-07 08:02 AM | Reply

"Yeah let's nominate someone who excites on one"

Getting the left wing base excited is going to do nothing for those who aren't part of the left wing.

You can always throw a protest vote. I nearly always vote Libertarian, even though I know they don't excite many voters outside the libertarian base, and have no real shot at winning.

There will probably be some kind of Green/Socialist/Communist on the 2020 ballot you can vote for.

#13 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-07 08:06 AM | Reply

Getting the left wing base excited is going to do nothing for those who aren't part of the left wing.

But which slice of pie is larger, left-minded people who don't vote at all, or "moderates" who might vote for Trump but might not if Dems nominate someone like Biden?

I'd argue the former group is much larger. There are about 110 million voting age people who didn't vote at all in 2016.

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-07 08:17 AM | Reply

In the end if Biden is our nominee I will hold my nose and vote for him because I am a loyal Democrat and because I would vote for anyone or even anything instead of Trump.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-07 08:18 AM | Reply

"But which slice of pie is larger, left-minded people who don't vote at all, or "moderates" who might vote for Trump but might not if Dems nominate someone like Biden?"

It's the moderates. It's pretty well understood that you need to capture the middle if you want to win an election, which is why all candidates, regardless of party, shift to the center once the primaries are decided.

Also, keep in mind that this poll was conducted among democrats. While I agree things could change, it's really Democrats who are saying that Biden is the best candidate. I would suggest that if the same poll were conducted to include a random sampling of the population, Biden's numbers would be even higher.

#16 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-07 08:38 AM | Reply

I will never do a protest vote, ever. I will also never not vote at all.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-07 08:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Libertarians supporting Biden should convince all Democrats that he should not be our candidate.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-05-07 08:42 AM | Reply

You'll vote for him. Get over it.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-07 10:08 AM | Reply

Not only will you vote for him, it's going to be a blind, party-line vote for a lot of people you don't even know the name of.

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-05-07 10:11 AM | Reply

Two words to save the Democratic Party and win 2020: Al Gore. At just 71, he is practically a spring chicken compared to the party's front runners, and he's not ostentatiously creepy or Marxist.

#21 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-05-07 10:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Biden has zero chance. The absence of self-reflection after 2016 is the greatest gift ever given to Trump and Republicans.

#22 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-05-07 10:20 AM | Reply

Two words to save the Democratic Party and win 2020: Al Gore. At just 71, he is practically a spring chicken compared to the party's front runners, and he's not ostentatiously creepy or Marxist.

#21 | POSTED BY KARABEKIAN

I certain massage therapist begs to differ.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-07 10:27 AM | Reply

#7 | Posted by Zed

I'm trying to figure out what banned poster Ira is...

#24 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-05-07 10:29 AM | Reply

If Biden wins the nomination I'll seriously consider voting for him. He's a safe, sane choice.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-07 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Biden has zero chance."

People said this about Trump, and look where he is now.

#26 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-07 10:32 AM | Reply

#23 Oh, wow! I totally forgot about that and had to look it up just now. I guess the Democrats are doomed after all. Don't say I didn't try to help.

#27 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-05-07 10:32 AM | Reply

Libertarians supporting Biden should convince all Democrats that he should not be our candidate.

#18 | Posted by danni

Since Biden doesn't hold Libertarian values it just makes me wonder what kind of "Libertarian" they are.

#28 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-05-07 10:32 AM | Reply

-- He's a safe, sane choice.

He's a hack who has spent 50 years in Washington and still doesn't have a platform.

#NeverBiden

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-05-07 10:39 AM | Reply

If Biden wins the nomination I'll seriously consider voting for him

Just like ROC will "probably" vote for him.

If you don't know right now whether you'd vote for Biden over Trump, you're just hiding your Trumpism.

#30 | Posted by JOE at 2019-05-07 10:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Imagine being an 18-34 year old and having to vote for the guy who put the noose around your neck with student loan debt, or have boomers call you an ----- for not supporting him.

#31 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-05-07 10:50 AM | Reply

Just like ROC will "probably" vote for him.
If you don't know right now whether you'd vote for Biden over Trump, you're just hiding your Trumpism.

#30 | POSTED BY JOE

It's not a Biden over Trump issue. It's a Biden over 3rd Party candidate issue.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-07 10:55 AM | Reply

and this is, to me, proof that the fix is in. our choice is between the tRump cartel or a lifelong political grifter who's done nothing but occupy a seat by virtue of pleading for the sympathy vote.
Dem leadership screwed us last time with clinton and they're trying again with biden.
sure, i'll vote for him over tRump if that's the choice...but i'll do all i can to make sure that doesn't happen. BERNIE.

#33 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-05-07 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

31 - Or if you have a slight Indian accent-"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

Or "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Poor Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton; they must be sad.

#34 | Posted by homerj at 2019-05-07 01:17 PM | Reply

Articulate and Clean...lol

#35 | Posted by homerj at 2019-05-07 01:18 PM | Reply

Clearly the smart money in the Democratic Party realizes that Biden has the best chance of beating Donnie Little Hands.
#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Same was said of Hillary.

#36 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-07 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Biden has zero chance."
People said this about Trump, and look where he is now.
#26 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Trump was never labeled the "next in line" candidate.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-07 01:30 PM | Reply

Polls taken since the former vice president's official declaration have shown him receiving support in the upper 30s to lower 40s, about twice as much as Sanders, his next closest rival.

Except prior polls had been proven to be manipulated. Why would that be?

The poll was taken Friday and Saturday among 440 registered voters

440 people! Wowweee! Let's cancel the primaries, Biden has already won amongst 440 people!

I get it. It's 2016 all over again. I guess we'll have to wait till 2024 to get Trump out of office.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-07 01:32 PM | Reply

#NeverBiden
#29 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I'm sure you shocked everyone on the DR with that declaration.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-05-07 01:34 PM | Reply

"Trump was never labeled the "next in line" candidate."

The label doesn't really fit Biden. He would've been 'next in line' in 2016 if he'd chosen to run. Bernie is actually the NIL candidate this time around.

#40 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-07 02:04 PM | Reply

"Same was said of Hillary."

Hillary could have won if she hadn't squandered the lead she had by taking things for granted, listening to bad advice and pissing off both the centrists and her base at the same time.

#41 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-07 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a Biden over 3rd Party candidate issue.

Exactly, unlike some mouthbreathers here on both sides who only vote party line, I tend to see who is actually nominated before making any decision.

That being said, I once again will not vote for Trump under any circumstances.

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-05-07 02:11 PM | Reply

Hillary could have won if she hadn't squandered the lead she had by taking things for granted, listening to bad advice and pissing off both the centrists and her base at the same time.
#41 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

All of the above tends to come hand-in-hand with any "next in line" candidate. Hence, should be expected of Senor Bideno.

#43 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-07 03:28 PM | Reply

Bernie is actually the NIL candidate this time around.
#40 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. Hence, there is no such label for Bernie.

Besides, Biden has been around since 1972, well before Bernie came on the scene (federally speaking).

#44 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-07 03:30 PM | Reply

Bernie was the runner up in the last primary. That makes him NIL this time around.

#45 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-07 06:05 PM | Reply

Personally I think the Retort is partly to blame for Bernie's low poll numbers. All those threads on the front page bashing Sanders month after month...

#46 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-07 06:20 PM | Reply

Personally I think the Retort is partly to blame for Bernie's low poll numbers. All those threads on the front page bashing Sanders month after month...
#46 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Rogers would as happy as a pig in ---- if that were true. And rolling in money like a pig in ---- to boot.

#47 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-07 06:35 PM | Reply

Bernie was the runner up in the last primary. That makes him NIL this time around.
#45 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

The idea that a Democratic Socialist is considered the "next in line" is absolutely laughable, honestly. Part of the "next in line" label is tied to the 'electability' of said candidate, and its related 'centrism,' of which Biden is OBVIOUSLY further ahead than Bernie:

Biden takes 32-point lead over Sanders in new 2020 poll

Irony of this being the above poll indicates Biden is NOT the best candidate to run against an incumbent, as recent history suggests (e.g., Dole, Kerry, and McCain). If a "centrist" is going to be elected, that individual will be coming out of left field (i.e., under the radar; e.g. Reagan, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, etc.). Biden is not coming out of left field and Bernie is not a centrist.

Tad Devine, a Democratic strategist who worked on the presidential campaigns of Al Gore in 2000, John Kerry in 2004 and Sanders in 2016, said that Democratic primary voters may be looking less for governing experience this time around than for inspiration and evidence that a candidate can beat Trump.

"The old stuff is going by the wayside," said Devine. "The experience stuff -- while important, and Biden will dwell on it -- I don't think it's nearly as relevant as whether you have ideas that can excite people, whether you yourself can excite people."

www.latimes.com

Only issue with the latter quote is that the analysis has been more true than not over the past 40 years, not just potentially applicable to 2020.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-07 07:14 PM | Reply

Here we are again. Forcing the Status Quo down our throats yet again. Has the DNC not learned anything with bringing TRump to power by screwing over Bernie last election? Idiots!

#49 | Posted by Tknees2 at 2019-05-07 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#49

Jeez if you're going to do with the non-winner, why not nominate Gillibrand?

#50 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-05-07 10:02 PM | Reply

NIL Bernie Sanders supporters are sounding more and more like Clinton's did last time: they seem to believe their candidate is entitled to the nomination. I don't know ANYONE who's said that about Joe. If anyone can make the case that their candidate is in a stronger position to beat Trump, I'd like to see them make a POSITIVE case for it.

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-07 10:15 PM | Reply

Every time I see "Bernie Sanders" I catch a mild form of dyslexia and see "Barry Sanders", who is one of the greatest human highlight reels in sports history.

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-05-07 10:17 PM | Reply

Every time I see or try to type the name "Bernie", my mind goes to "Bernice", probably from years of reading Bernice Summerfield in The New Adventures.

#53 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-05-07 10:28 PM | Reply

Starman from Starbucks suddenly looking good?

#54 | Posted by Spork at 2019-05-07 11:04 PM | Reply

A parody website with embarrassing photos of Joe Biden is outranking his official campaign page on Google
www.cnbc.com

#55 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-05-08 12:09 AM | Reply

here's the parody site: joebiden.info
still #2 result for the search query, "joe biden website"

#56 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-05-08 12:11 AM | Reply

NIL Bernie Sanders supporters are sounding more and more like Clinton's did last time: they seem to believe their candidate is entitled to the nomination.
#51 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

What are you interpreting that from?

#57 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-05-08 07:24 PM | Reply

Not to get too psycho-babble about it but after Donald Trump, it's possible that the polls are showing just how nostalgic people are about Obama . . . and Biden is as close as they can get to the real deal.

I'm certainly going to vote for Biden if he's the nominee. But I'd feel more comfortable if his VP is highly electable in 2024. I just don't think Joe will be up to a second term and that could turn into another 4-yr dose of GOP insanity.

#58 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-05-08 11:33 PM | Reply

then go all out on his declining mental faculties, corrupt kids, inappropriate touching, and lack of ideas
#5 | Posted by iragoldberg at 2019-05-07 02:09 AM | Reply | Flag:
You talking about Biden or Trump?
#8 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-05-07 07:46 AM | FLAG:

----------- does have one thing that Biden can never match...the flow of 100% unadulterated -------- that flows out of his pie hole.

#59 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-05-09 07:28 AM | Reply

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