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Thursday, April 25, 2019

Former US Vice-President Joe Biden has declared a presidential bid, putting an end to months of speculation. In a video announcement, Mr Biden warned that the "core values of the nation ... our very democracy, everything that has made America America, is at stake. ... I believe history will look back on four years of this president and all he embraces as an aberrant moment in time. But if we give Donald Trump eight years in the White House, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation, who we are, and I cannot stand by and watch that happen."

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#1 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-25 07:33 AM | Reply

If he doesnt make too many gaffs on the trail, you are looking at the next President of the United States.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 07:47 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

And if he doesnt push too far left.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 07:47 AM | Reply

If he doesnt make too many gaffs on the trail, you are looking at the next President of the United States.

#2 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-04-25 07:47 AM | FLAG:

And if he doesnt push too far left.

#3 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I agree with both. In any other country and any other time, a person like Biden would be considered a moderate conservative. For that matter, so would Clinton (bill not hillary), Obama and Bush 1 & 2.

#4 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-25 07:54 AM | Reply

Biden will never be President of the country nor should he be. America wants younger, more progressive leadership. Biden is a dinosaur on the wrong side of too many arguments. WE have several contenders talking about free college and student loan forgiveness, Biden sponsored the bill to make student loans incapable of being forgiven in bankruptcy. He won't be able to run away from his record, the other candidates are going to eat him alive. It is sort of interesting though that the only people really supporting him are Republicans who would never vote for him anyway. I feel sorry for him, he is a man who missed his chance 20 years ago and is now in for another round of disappointment.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 07:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The creepiest Dem is killing it in the polls. Too funny.

#6 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 07:59 AM | Reply

Biden will never be President of the country nor should he be.

#5 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-04-25 07:58 AM | FLAG:

You can save the spam. You'll shut up and vote for him over anybody from any other party.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 07:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Hell he might even get an anti-protectionist, pro-free trade vote from me.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 08:00 AM | Reply

You'll shut up and vote for him over anybody from any other party.

#7 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

This kind of bull from Danni is exactly why Hillary lost. Why can't she see that?

Danni, my old pal, STFU.

Just like you and the ultra left have whined about being included and respected, well, other people do not want to be excluded in a mad rush to swerve hard left. I want america to get our wheels out of the right wing ditch, but not so we can go across the road and put our other wheels in the left-wing ditch.

So, you vote for the person who will do the most for your cause AND ... AND...can actually get elected.

#9 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-25 08:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Not. Interested.

#10 | Posted by E1g1 at 2019-04-25 08:20 AM | Reply

Biden is yesterday's candidate in an election for tomorrows.

#11 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-25 08:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"AND...can actually get elected."

Like Hillary did, she was carried the same banner as Biden. Younger and more progressive voters want change, that's what got Trump elected. He promised to bring jobs home (failed), he promised cheaper and better healthcare (failed), he promised to stay clear of foreign entanglements (failed). Now we want someone who will actually do those things. Republicans gave themselves a huge ta cut promising it would boost the economy (failed) so now it is time to actually boost the economy. Let's reverse the Republican tax cuts and use the savings to do as Elizabeth Warren says and pay off student loans up to $50,000. That would actually put $$$ in consumers hands who would spend them on cars, houses and other goods and services.
Prediction: moderate Democrats aren't going to win this time, we've tried it your way. We need Progressive, forward thinking leadership not Grandpa.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 08:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Joe Biden would be a good president and a welcome antidote to Trump's corruption, obliteration of our alliances and constant need for attention like some dopey teen narcissist.

He has a decent shot to win the Democratic nomination but is not exactly an "out with the old, in with the new" candidate. The election would be another Boomer drama like the last one.

I suspect that both Bernie and Biden will see their poll numbers drop as more attention is paid to the race.

#13 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-25 08:27 AM | Reply

Biden 27, Sanders 20, Harris 8, Buttigieg 8, Warren 6, O'Rourke 4, Booker 2, Klobuchar 1, Yang 0, Castro 0, Hickenlooper 2, Gillibrand 0

My predictions, as the hopeless losers drop out, Biden will pick up the moderate Harris, Butti, and Beto voters. Sanders will pick up the Warren voters in the race for free ----.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 08:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's goofy to reduce this to Biden vs. Bernie already. The same logic said Jeb Bush was a GOP front-runner in 2016 and Obama had no shot in 2008. Front runners often fade.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-25 08:35 AM | Reply

Beto is your Obama, and he's too white to be popular. 2016 was the year of Trump. There are no Trumps in this Dem lineup. What's say.. Kamala going to do? Start talking ---- WWE style about the others to win? Hilarious if it happened, but we all know it won't.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 08:37 AM | Reply

BIDEN! BIDEN! BIDEN! USA! USA! USA!

#17 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-25 08:37 AM | Reply

Let's reverse the Republican tax cuts and use the savings to do as Elizabeth Warren says and pay off student loans up to $50,000. That would actually put $$$ in consumers hands who would spend them on cars, houses and other goods and services.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

Benjamin Franklin

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 08:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Old white guys are cool again for Dems. Time to run with it.

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 08:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Watch Trump steal some Democratic thunder like he did in 2016. Sanders talked about tariffs forever but Trump convinced enough blue collar workers in PA, MI and WS to win those states. Watch him now steal student loan debt (though he won't actually do anything about it). It's still a long time till the election and those who promise things won't be held accountable as we have definitely seen with Trump. Cheaper, better healthcare???? Anyone seen it????

#20 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 08:43 AM | Reply

""When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." "

Great, finally we can actually be a Democracy.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 08:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

And I sue as hell would prefer student loan forgiveness over a war with Iran. We've wasted trillions on wars, could have paid off every single student loan in the country, and we got nothing good from it. Killed 1 million Iraqis and thousands of Americans. Pay off student loan debts, let Iran alone, renew our deal with them that Trump broke, and help our own citizens.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 08:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Beto is your Obama ...

No, he isn't. He's just one member of the pack at this point who hasn't proven anything.

You and many others are taking the coverage in cable media too seriously. The Democrats who emerge from Iowa and New Hampshire are often the ones who campaigned best in person in those states, not the ones who got CNN and MSNBC the most excited.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-25 08:52 AM | Reply

Who should have to pay off the college debt? Kids that didn't go to college and the ones that already paid their own way? Are the professors and administrators going to work for free? Too bad that so many have racked up high debt getting a grievance studies degree at a quaint private schools and now don't want to pay.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-25 08:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#23 i dont consume cable media, but i know monied Dem donors and a couple campaign strategists. They pivoted off Beto for Biden, for now at least.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 09:03 AM | Reply

The election would be another Boomer drama like the last one.

#13 | POSTED BY RCADE

The boomers won't die. They still have the numbers. You win elections, not because you have the prettiest candidate, but rather, because you have the least ugly candidate.

#26 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-25 09:06 AM | Reply

Right, #24.

How can we pay for college?

We have much bigger priorities, like all of these helicopter pads that need built for companies that need handouts.

Like Amazon.

#27 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-04-25 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why should Dems feel pressured to nominate a moderate when Republicans will nominate an alt-right rapist?

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-25 09:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Great, finally we can actually be a Democracy.

#21 | Posted by danni

We now get to see who really hates America. I have always said it was people like Danni.

Maybe you would be happier in Europe Danni. America is not your type of country. Stop trying to change it into something it's not.

#29 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 09:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

"Maybe you would be happier in Europe Danni. America is not your type of country."

Incredible that you think you speak for our country. That is truly unAmerican.

"The boomers won't die. They still have the numbers."

Most of us boomers are much more concerned about our kids and grandkids than ourselves. That is an absolute truth. It will determine how most of us vote too.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I like Biden. The campaign ads will be brutal though.

#31 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-04-25 09:30 AM | Reply

Joe Biden:

Opposes single-payer healthcare
Opposes cannabis legalization
Supports the death penalty
Wrote the 1994 crime bill
Voted for DOMA
Voted for NAFTA
Voted for Iraq War
Voted for PATRIOT Act
Voted to repeal Glass-Steagall
Voted to make it harder to eliminate student debt

YEAH! Exactly what Democrats need to win an election! He's not Trump is his selling point, and that worked awesome last time.

If you think this guy is the answer for 2020, you need your head examined.

#32 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-25 09:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We will find out Ben,

I think the country is looking to put Trump out, but they arent looking for a leftist, socialist or someone far left.

I think a Democrat like Biden will win in a landslide. Trump will lose the moderate Republicans and Democrats he had the last time.

#33 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 09:37 AM | Reply

"Stop trying to change it into something it's not"

What a stupid statement-- the very definition of "change" is making something into something it once wasn't or back into something it once was.

She can try to change it into anything she wants, bozo-- it's her country.

Then there's hypocrites like you-- who work for a bureaucracy who's sole business is not to protect or to defend; it is to mind other people's business in other parts of the world-- telling them how their countries should or shouldn't be.

So you should be the one who's moving, not her.

#34 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-25 09:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The country is already something. She doesnt like it. So she's trying to change it. If she doesnt like it, she should leave. There are some people who like our country and the way it is and the way it has become.

She can try to change it, but people like me will fight her all the way. And we will win.

The country isnt leftist. I think we have proven that.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 09:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

And the whole problem and the reason we are a divided nation is because the liberals are trying to "change" things. Stop trying to change things and the division goes away.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 09:43 AM | Reply

Only Trump could best 15 or more candidates during a brutal primary, and then slay the Evil Hunched-Backed Cankle Monster against all odds in the election. Joe will be lucky if he can get out of bed in a year.

#37 | Posted by Spork at 2019-04-25 09:44 AM | Reply

I think a Democrat like Biden will win in a landslide.

I don't think he gets past Kamala. David Brock has plenty of ammo.

#38 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-25 09:46 AM | Reply

"The country is already something."

It was already something in 1861 as well.

"She doesnt like it. So she's trying to change it."

As any patriotic person should.

"If she doesnt like it, she should leave."

In other words, why didn't those pesky abolitionists go somewhere where slavery was outlawed instead of pushing their beliefs on all those innocent slave-holding plantation owners of the south?

"There are some people who like our country and the way it is and the way it has become. "

Like those white people pre-1960 who liked the separate but equal water fountains?

"She can try to change it, but people like me will fight her all the way. And we will win. "

I'm sure that someday, you'll be declaring victory atop your own personal dustbin of history.

#39 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-25 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"She can try to change it, but people like me will fight her all the way. And we will win. "

Famous last words. Social Security, Workers Compensation, 8 hour work day, child labor laws, unemployment compensation, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare.....the list will continue to grow. There are more of us than there are of you. The only way REpublicans win is by cheating. Most Americans are aware of that and deeply resent the abuse of power. Hey, your guy Trump???? He is going to be impeached. I can't wait!

#40 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Joe Biden's campaign is going to be a parody of itself

Biden's candidacy is going to be a parody of itself. Get your bingo cards ready for the debates, folks. He's going to talk about being "a little rough around the edges," about how "times have changed," about how he admires young people for their "energy" about things like the Green New Deal and Medicare-for-all but that he's "seen a few things" in his time. He knows the difference between what sounds like a good idea and what's practical. He cares about doing what's right, but also about getting things done, even if it means "reaching" -- no pun intended -- "across the aisle." Has he made a few mistakes over the years? Yeah, sure, and he owns up to them. But he knows better now. He's "willing to listen," maybe even "to learn." Did I say to bring your bingo cards? Make that a barf bag.
theweek.com

Brutal...

#41 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-25 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kudos for the headline.

#42 | Posted by cbob at 2019-04-25 09:53 AM | Reply

"I don't think he gets past Kamala. David Brock has plenty of ammo."

I don't think he gets past Bernie either. David Sirota also has plenty of ammo. Some of which is invented:

David Sirota And The Bernie Left Are Now Smearing Joe Biden Over Social Security Cuts

If you listen to the speech, you'll notice Biden is in fact arguing the exact opposite. Not only is Biden making the argument that Social Security needs to be saved, he is advocating redistributing money from top earners to pay for it. He says:

"Paul Ryan was correct when he did the tax code. What's the first thing he decided to go after? Social Security and Medicare. Now, we need to do something about Social Security and Medicare. That's the only way you can find room to pay for it. I don't know a whole lot of people in the top 1/10 of 1% or top 1% are relying on Social Security when they retire."

Biden is saying rich people don't need Social Security, and it's unfair they are receiving it when more vulnerable people need the money. The entire speech is in fact an argument to change the tax code in America to redistribute more wealth and give working people a stake in the economy. Sirota is framing this however, as Biden agreeing with free market militant Paul Ryan, who dedicated his life to destroying Social Security and Medicare.


thedailybanter.com

Plenty to hit Biden on without resorting to lying about what he is saying.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-25 09:56 AM | Reply

Seriously....Biden is the Hillary of this cycle. Fail proof, right?

#44 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-04-25 09:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sanders wouldn't attack Clinton and lost. Now he has an attack dog like Sirota. Popcorn!

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-25 10:01 AM | Reply

"Sanders wouldn't attack Clinton and lost. Now he has an attack dog like Sirota. Popcorn!"

Part of Bernie's appeal is that he didn't go low and stayed above the fray. I agree he needs to go on the offensive more, but he needs to be careful how he does it. He should just stick to the facts and not invent stuff aka lie. That's what Trump does, and all the Dem candidates should separate themselves from Trump in that regard. From the article I quoted above:

We've seen these astonishingly misleading tactics used on other rising stars in the Democratic Party like Beto O'Rourke. Sirota attempted to portray O'Rourke as a stooge of big oil and gas companies, alluding to him taking money directly from the industry. O'Rourke had not taken a single dime from the oil and gas industry, yet Sirota claimed he was "the #2 recipient of oil/gas industry campaign cash". We vetted Sirota's claims and discovered O'Rourke had only taken money from individuals who worked in the oil and gas industry, not the industries themselves. O'Rourke was also the number one recipient of people working in the accounting industry in Texas too, but Sirota didn't deem that important enough to mention. Because why bother with facts if it harms your cause?

Personally, I hope Joe Biden doesn't run for president. He's too old (he'll be 78 in 2020), and there are more exciting candidates out there with fresher ideas. This doesn't mean, however, that I am willing to distort his positions and lie about anyone who threatens my preferred candidate. Sirota and the other Bernie fanatics should be ashamed.


#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-25 10:09 AM | Reply

"Biden is saying rich people don't need Social Security, and it's unfair they are receiving it when more vulnerable people need the money."

And he is exactly wrong about that. We paid for SS, it's not welfare but if you take it away from the wealth and make them pay more for it at the same time you turn it into welfare and give the Republicans an avenue to attack it.

#47 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 10:11 AM | Reply

#47 We have to do something to save SS. Biden is suggesting means testing:

"Biden wants to means test Social Security so that the ultra rich don't get money they don't need."

Other candidates may have other ideas on how to save the program. I just hope the problem actually gets talked about during the campaign season.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-25 10:17 AM | Reply

Instead of means testing we need to do the same thing that we did in the 1980s; raise the income level subject to SS taxes. The amount of money going to the ultra rich is miniscule in comparison to the amount we could raise by raising the level of income subject to SS taxes.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 10:19 AM | Reply

"We paid for SS, it's not welfare but if you take it away from the wealth and make them pay more for it at the same time you turn it into welfare and give the Republicans an avenue to attack it."

Republicans are already doing that, which is why comparing Biden to Paul Ryan on the issue is deceptive and cringe-worthy. Biden's idea may not be the best route to take, but at least he is trying to save SS, not destroy it as Ryan and others want to do.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-25 10:21 AM | Reply

Medicare is insolvent by 2026. Social Security by 2034.

To save it, you have to screw over the people that paid in, and then expect them to keep you in power.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#49 That's what I mean about sticking to the facts to attack someone's position instead of lying about it.

#51 Letting the programs go belly-up probably isn't a big vote-getter either.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-25 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Medicare is insolvent by 2026. Social Security by 2034."

Raise the cap on wages subject to SS and Medicare taxes like we have done in the past even when Reagan was President.

#53 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 10:33 AM | Reply

Joe Biden would make a good president. I hope that's not a fatal flaw.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-25 10:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Republicans are already doing that, which is why comparing Biden to Paul Ryan on the issue is deceptive and cringe-worthy."

I agree with you there, Biden is no Paul Ryan.

#55 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-25 10:35 AM | Reply

Great idea, since I'm semi-retired I will pay nothing additional.

#56 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-25 10:37 AM | Reply

Raise the cap on wages subject to SS and Medicare taxes like we have done in the past even when Reagan was President.
#53 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-04-25 10:33 AM | FLAG:

That's just kicking the can down the road. Remember, this is social security. It's money you paid to get back from the government. Now you want somebody else's to cover the gap?

#57 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't think Biden stands a chance. That is not based on any polls or inside info. Just my hunch. Way too much baggage. Not nearly HRCesque, but still, too many reminders of the past. Someone newer and less tarnished will get the nomination. And, like it or not, the Democratic Party is currently in the Age of Women.

#58 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-04-25 10:48 AM | Reply

"Biden wants to means test Social Security so that the ultra rich don't get money they don't need."

Who are you to tell someone what they dont need?

And why is the poor's money that they put into SS different than a wealthy person's money they put in as well? And the wealthy person put in more.

If the poor can invest in SS, why cant the rich?

#59 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 10:50 AM | Reply

but if you take it away from the wealth and make them pay more for it

So basically, you want someone to pay more for something they wont get?

Taking other people's money, right? So you are taking money from people who have it to give it to people who dont..

Great selling point.

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 10:52 AM | Reply

50 years on the government teat. a professional BS artist. he'll cry about "sacrifices" he's made, compare your last fifty years of employment and tell me who worked hardest. NO BIDEN

#61 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-04-25 10:57 AM | Reply

If blow dry joe is smart, he'll pick a young minority female for VP.
He does that and its a shoe-in.

#62 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-04-25 11:03 AM | Reply

Biden would make a terrible president, But still better than Trump.

#63 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-25 11:04 AM | Reply

Joe Biden:

Opposes single-payer healthcare
Opposes cannabis legalization
Supports the death penalty
Wrote the 1994 crime bill
Voted for DOMA
Voted for NAFTA
Voted for Iraq War
Voted for PATRIOT Act
Voted to repeal Glass-Steagall
Voted to make it harder to eliminate student debt

YEAH! Exactly what Democrats need to win an election! He's not Trump is his selling point, and that worked awesome last time.

If you think this guy is the answer for 2020, you need your head examined.

#32 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-25 09:32 AM

Yup, All True

#64 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-25 11:18 AM | Reply

I think both Bernie and Joe would do well to pick "a young minority female for VP."

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-25 11:18 AM | Reply

If blow dry joe is smart, he'll pick a young minority female for VP.
He does that and its a shoe-in.

Kamala's just hangin' around, being nice. It's almost guaranteed that, if one of the white guys wins the Clown Car Follies, she will be in a very good position.

#66 | Posted by Spork at 2019-04-25 11:20 AM | Reply

Stacey Abrams would be another good VP for either Bernie or Joe, provided she doesn't run for Senator from GA.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-25 11:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Stacey Abrams

Sore loser with no qualifications. Perfect.

#68 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-25 11:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Mia Love would be a good VP selection..

#69 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 11:32 AM | Reply

#66 | POSTED BY SPORK

This is my speculation, as Snoofy says skills don't matter, diversity has its own quality.

Did I hear Joe correctly ...

YA'LL WHITES ARE RACISTS, VOTE FOR ME!
~Biden

#70 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-25 11:48 AM | Reply

And the whole problem and the reason we are a divided nation is because the liberals are trying to "change" things. Stop trying to change things and the division goes away... Now go make me a sandwich!

#36 | POSTED BY BOAZ

FTFY

#71 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-04-25 11:51 AM | Reply

"Mia Love would be a good VP selection"

I'm sure Biden would agree- he probably would love to put his arm around her waist and whisper into her neckline on stage at the national convention.

#72 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-25 11:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The boomers won't die. They still have the numbers.

That remains to be seen. Boomers will be fewer than 40% of eligible voters in 2020. There will be as many Millenials as Boomers voting on election day.

It's possible that the last presidential election dominated by Boomers was 2016.

www.pewsocialtrends.org

#73 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-25 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We now get to see who really hates America.

Give me a ------- break. There has never been a major presidential candidate who expressed more negativity about America than Donald Trump. You lapped it up like a cat at a saucer of milk.

If that didn't make you an America hater nothing Danni is saying makes her one either.

#74 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-25 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Taking other people's money

That's all taxation. Instead of telling people to leave America, where "taking other peoples' money" is enshrined in the Constitution, perhaps you should go find the tax-free paradise you wish for. I hear Somalia is beautiful this time of year.

#75 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-25 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I think we have proven that.

#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT

If you have to devise schemes to keep a large % if the population from voting you've certainly proven something, normal people probably don't think it's the same thing you think it is though..

#76 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-04-25 12:08 PM | Reply

Maybe joe should pick madam puglosi for VP. Guaranteed no touching there.
Jayzuz ~kak!

#77 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-04-25 12:16 PM | Reply

#75,

Taxation to put in the pockets of other Americans isnt in the constitution. Roads, infrastructure, the military, yes, but socialism, no..

#78 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 12:23 PM | Reply

"Taxation to put in the pockets of other Americans isnt in the constitution. Roads, infrastructure, the military, yes"

So how do we pay for roads, without putting tax dollars into the pockets of road workers?

I can't wait for your genuis explanation!

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-25 12:26 PM | Reply

#78 The Constitution doesn't say anything about "roads" or "infrastructure." It does authorize spending on the "general welfare." Perhaps you should read it sometime.

#80 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-25 12:30 PM | Reply

So how do we pay for roads, without putting tax dollars into the pockets of road workers?

In between the handing of that money is the labor of said workers.

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 12:51 PM | Reply

Taxation to put in the pockets of other Americans isnt in the constitution.

Are you sure?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

What is "general welfare"?

A general welfare clause is a section that appeared in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare. In some countries, this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Looks like the constitution grants the governing body the power to enact laws to promote the health, safety, morals, and well being of the people.

Therefore.

Taxation to put in the pockets of other Americans is in the constitution.

Not that you've ever looked at the constitution.

The party you choose to vote for, and have represent you, uses the constitution as toilet paper.

Boaz, it's time for you to get an education.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It does authorize spending on the "general welfare."

Infrastructure is "general welfare". Food stamps is not. Direct cash welfare is not.

That is "individual welfare".

#83 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 12:52 PM | Reply

#80

Boaz doesn't know the definition of welfare. Don't bother asking.

#84 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-25 12:53 PM | Reply

#82,

You couldnt be more wrong, Clown. You have convinced yourself. There's not much I can do to correct your wrong opinion.

Taxation to put in the pockets of other Americans is in the constitution.

Laughable. I have a quote from one of the founders that says the opposite.

#85 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 12:55 PM | Reply

Boaz doesn't know the definition of welfare.

Oh? So what have you liberals changed it to mean this week?

#86 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 12:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Joe Biden will do a good job of re-establishing the foundations of this country and the rule of constitutional law. He knows what needs to be fixed and who can assist. We need a steady hand at the tiller. After that, the new generation can have their say.

#87 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-25 12:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You couldnt be more wrong, Clown.

Prove me wrong Boazo.

Here's your chance.

Retort #82 with something other than your gut feeling that I'm wrong.

Because #82 is what our constitution states and an explanation of the term "general welfare".

You're up boazo.

Let's see your work.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 12:58 PM | Reply

#86

The same definition James Madison and Thomas Jefferson had.

wel·fare
/ˈwelˌfer/
noun
noun: welfare

the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.
"they don't give a damn about the welfare of their families"
synonyms: well-being, health, good health, happiness, comfort, security, safety, protection, prosperity, profit, good, success, fortune, good fortune, advantage, interest, prosperousness, successfulness
"local authorities have a duty to promote the welfare of children"
antonyms: hardship
statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need.
"the protection of rights to education, housing, and welfare"
North American
financial support given to people in need.
synonyms: social security, benefit, state benefit, benefit payment, public assistance

#89 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-25 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So what have you liberals changed it to mean this week?

Wahhhh. Liberals are explaining the constitution to me!

Boaz. You're such a sad sack.

You lead with your ignorance and cry foul when confronted with facts.

#90 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 12:59 PM | Reply

Don't get me started on 'forming a more perfect union'

#91 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-25 01:01 PM | Reply

#88

Not only is it his 'gut feeling', it's the voices in his head that's Boaz problem.

#92 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-25 01:03 PM | Reply

"In between the handing of that money is the labor of said workers.
#81 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

Find us where the Constitution says that's okay, Boaz.

#93 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-25 01:05 PM | Reply

James Madison Refutes Expansive Reading of the General Welfare Clause

tenthamendmentcenter.com

#94 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-25 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

From the link in #94:

"In a speech on the House floor, Madison said that while there was arguably justification for it under the commerce clause, it was not something that was supported by the general welfare clause"

Well there you go.

Just say it promotes commerce -- which any welfare program I can think of surely does -- and you have no objection.

Great link, thanks for sharing!

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-25 01:15 PM | Reply

94

Good point. Have any politicians, especially prominent Democrats, used the general welfare clause to justify the services and funding we set aside to help out the poor? Services that we commonly referred to as "welfare"?

What does it mean welfare is bad and it doesn't mean that welfare is not constitutional If it isn't justified by the general welfare clause.

I've always dismissed that as a silly argument.

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-25 01:16 PM | Reply

95

I actually agree with you.

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-25 01:18 PM | Reply

Thanks, I guess, but you voted for Hillary, so your opinion means nothing to them. ;)

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-25 01:24 PM | Reply

If Biden shows a preference for a good young VP for the future of the party... and does it early before the primary vote, he'll have a good chance to win the primary and the Presidency.

And that will be a much better thing than more Trump.

#99 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-25 01:32 PM | Reply

If Biden shows a preference for a good young VP for the future of the party... and does it early before the primary vote, he'll have a good chance to win the primary and the Presidency.

#99 | POSTED BY CORKY

If he would do that AND throw full support behind universal healthcare, I might agree.

#100 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-04-25 01:53 PM | Reply

Um, I think you guys need to re-read #94.

I, sir, have always conceived -- I believe those who proposed the constitution conceived; it is still more fully known, and more material to observe, those who ratified the constitution conceived, that this is not an indefinite government deriving its powers from the general terms prefixed to the specified powers -- but, a limited government tied down to the specified powers, which explain and define the general terms.

The gentlemen who contend for a contrary doctrine are surely not aware of the consequences which flow from it, and which they must either admit, or give up their doctrine.

He even says the "general welfare clause isnt designed to give away money when the government wants.

#101 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 02:01 PM | Reply

#88,

I already did, but you are too stupid to understand. I even gave a quote from one of our founders.

#102 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-25 02:04 PM | Reply

#100

But if he does that, but doesn't come out publicly fully for universal health care... would you still vote for him over Trump or throw your vote away on someone who can't win?

That was the question that some people failed to answer correctly the last time. OH, and Bernie was not one of those people; he knew the best answer and asked his followers to actually follow his lead.

Some of them decided they'd just as soon have Trump.

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-25 02:25 PM | Reply

Mia Love would be a good VP selection..

#69 | POSTED BY BOAZ

For a Democrat? She's a conservative Republican and just lost an election. She's a black conservative, which makes her particularly toxic to the left.

As for government spending....if you read Article I, Section 8 in it's entirety - and then skip to the 10th Amendment - it's pretty clear that congress is actually quite limited on what it can appropriate spending on. Having said that, the genie is long out of the bottle and it's not going back in, so any discussion about SS or welfare being unconstitutional is meaningless at this point.

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-25 02:35 PM | Reply

IMO, Biden would mop the floor vs Trump. Voters in MI, WI, PA and elsewhere would vote for him over Trump.

I want to see progressive ideas enacted, but until we get Trump and the recalcitrant Republicans out of office that'll never happen.

Four years of Biden and flipping the Senate and America could get back on course making America work for average Americans again. Then a VP like Harris or someone else can take the reins. But until the Senate flips there's little hope of making any progress at all at making America work for everyone again.

The #1 goal in 2020 HAS to be getting rid of Trump. He's a despicable human being who only cares about himself. Four more years of Trump would also more than likely mean another SC justice or two. That would mean progressive ideas, voting rights, and so much more would be stymied for another whole generation.

#105 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-25 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The nice thing with a conservative SCOTUS is you end up with a lot of narrow decisions which forces the issues back to congress, where they belong.

#106 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-25 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I already did, but you are too stupid to understand.

Oh. I see. You already created such a sterling post about why taxation for the general welfare is theft that you can't produce it again.

Whatever Boaz. If lying to yourself is all you got left. Then so be it. Conservatives need to regularly lie to themselves to get through the day.

I even gave a quote from one of our founders.
#102 | POSTED BY BOAZ

No you didn't. You posted something from the link in #94 which has zero quotes in it.

It's literally a work of fiction.

There are zero citations, quotes, references.

It's garbage. Which is why Nulli posted it.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 02:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The bad thing about a conservative SCOTUS is all the fascist ---- they pull to keep themselves in power in all three branches of government.

#108 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-25 03:00 PM | Reply

The bad thing about a conservative SCOTUS is all the fascist ---- they pull to keep themselves in power in all three branches of government.

#108 | POSTED BY RCADE

Like what?

#109 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-25 03:01 PM | Reply

Boaz,

Just Incase you missed it.

Retort #82 with something other than your gut feeling that I'm wrong.

Because #82 is what our constitution states and an explanation of the term "general welfare".

Let's see your work.

Its on you Boaz. You love to vomit up bullshht.

Let's read some facts.

#110 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 03:02 PM | Reply

"As for government spending....if you read Article I, Section 8 in it's entirety - and then skip to the 10th Amendment - it's pretty clear that congress is actually quite limited on what it can appropriate spending on."

So you just ignore "Necessary and Proper."

You paint yourself as a strict Constitutionalist, JeffJ.

Why make a fool of youself in this way?

???

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-25 03:23 PM | Reply

"So you just ignore "Necessary and Proper.""

And punctuation.

And the General Welfare part.

#112 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-25 03:26 PM | Reply

If "General Welfare" and "Necessary and proper" were deemed to be limitless, they wouldn't have even bothered with the remainder of Article I, Section 8.

But, like I said, the cat is out of the bag and nothing is changing that now.

#113 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-25 03:31 PM | Reply

Right now, Mayor Pete seems to be the most logical choice for his VP. Young, articulate, not too extreme and would motivate many Millennials to go out and vote.

#114 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-25 03:33 PM | Reply

Great. The punctuation police have arrived.

#115 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-25 03:35 PM | Reply

Here is my prediction. As the clown car occupants toss each other under the bus, Michele Obama will announce she is running half way through the campaign and win by a land slide, with all the Obama supporters, woman's vote and the black vote. As a bonus Trump wouldn't/couldn't debate her as he would a man and the GOP has very little sound bites to work with to smear her name in commercials.

#116 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-04-25 03:40 PM | Reply

You love to vomit up bullshht.
#110 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

That must mean he swallows down a whole bunch of bullshht.

#117 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-25 03:44 PM | Reply

"...the GOP has very little sound bites to work with to smear her name in commercials."

That's never stopped them before. Why on Earth would it stop them now?

#118 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-25 03:51 PM | Reply

"If "General Welfare" and "Necessary and proper" were deemed to be limitless, they wouldn't have even bothered with the remainder of Article I, Section 8."

Then answer this:

Is the Air Force Constitutional?

Why or why not?

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-25 03:53 PM | Reply

"If "General Welfare" and "Necessary and proper" were deemed to be limitless..."

More like if they didn't want wiggle room they wouldn't have written it in.

And limitless??? Space Force on line one for you.

#120 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-25 03:57 PM | Reply

Establishment status quo 2020!
It worked out great last time!

#121 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-25 04:01 PM | Reply

#120

Based on your interpretation of "general welfare" and "necessary and proper", what limits do Article I, Section 8 place on congress?

Is the Air Force Constitutional?

Yes.

Why or why not?

It's a branch of the military. Airplanes didn't exist when this country was founded, but the concept of a military (army and Navy) did.

It's the same reason the government can't censor on-line speech. But, if the existence of the Air Force as a separate division of our military really bothers you, perhaps the government can put it back under the army, which is where it was originally.

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-25 04:01 PM | Reply

"The punctuation police have arrived."

You'd have to be an idiot to believe writers of Constitutions don't sweat and argue over punctuation, especially when it changes the meaning.

A semicolon and a colon have different meanings, even if that fact screws up your argument.

#123 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-25 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And limitless??? Space Force on line one for you.

#120 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-04-25 03:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

We have 4 armed forces each with their own Space Forces. Consolidating them is one of the precious few things Trump is right about. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson is for it.

#124 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-25 04:48 PM | Reply

Biden gets a big endorsement...

twitter.com

#125 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-25 05:51 PM | Reply

Biden and Beto.
Taking Texas would be game changer for Dems.

#126 | Posted by Docman at 2019-04-25 06:05 PM | Reply

"Consolidating them is one of the precious few things Trump is right about."

Oh, please. Trump's idea of a Space Force is sharks with lasers in orbit.

#127 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-25 06:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Oh, please. Trump's idea of a Space Force is sharks with lasers in orbit.
#127 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

"Not a bad idea." -- Dr. Evil

#128 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-25 06:36 PM | Reply

"Biden and Beto.
Taking Texas would be game changer for Dems."

Beto failed to take Texas last time. What's changed since then that making him VP would likely carry the state?

#129 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-25 07:43 PM | Reply

Beto failed to take Texas last time. What's changed since then that making him VP would likely carry the state?

#129 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Well. There's a lot of Republicans who claim they would vote for Biden.

Although. I don't really believe Trumpublicans any further than I could throw their (on average 300+ lbs) bodies.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 07:59 PM | Reply

That must mean he swallows down a whole bunch of
#117 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

He consumes a steady diet of the substance.

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 08:01 PM | Reply

Biden looks good for late 70s. What kind of work do you think he has done? And is he cycling HGH? I want to age as gracefully as John Kerry, and to a lesser degree, Biden.

Tryna avoid turning into a Bernie.

#132 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-04-25 08:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Biden looks good for late 70s.

It's good to be rich.

And moisturize.

What kind of work do you think he has done?

A little Botox here, a little face lift there.

Definitely good moisturizers.

He's glistening.

And is he cycling HGH?

He's probably drinking stem cell smoothies.

Helps with age reversal.

#133 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 08:37 PM | Reply

"He's probably drinking stem cell smoothies.
Helps with age reversal."

It didn't help Christopher Reeve. And he drank them directly from the source. I saw it on live TV.

#134 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-25 08:49 PM | Reply

It didn't help Christopher Reeve.

It did help him.

But, as you pointed out, he was drinking from the source, uncut, which drove him crazy. He had to be put down.

The smoothie balances out the psychotic side effects.

#135 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-25 08:55 PM | Reply

US allies need Biden to send the noxious orange jizzfart packing.

www.google.com

#136 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-04-25 09:22 PM | Reply

Why should Dems feel pressured to nominate a moderate when Republicans will nominate an alt-right rapist?

#28 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-04-25 09:11 AM |
Evidently rapists are popular among the masses. The majority of the voting public wanted to put one back in the White House for a third term

#137 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-26 12:16 AM | Reply

And that will be a much better thing than more Trump.
#99 | POSTED BY CORKY

Every single Dem candidate running is much better more Trump.

Every single one.

Democrats should be proud. Now they need to get it together and kick some Deplorable butt.

#138 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-26 09:48 AM | Reply

Hours after entering 2020 race, Biden attends Big-Money Fundraiser hosted by Comcast, Blue Cross Execs.

Gee I wonder what that means: no more net neutrality, no medicare for all.

#139 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-26 10:19 AM | Reply

Evidently rapists are popular among the masses. The majority of the voting public wanted to put one back in the White House for a third term

#137 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

By that definition, it's pretty likely we have a rapist in the White House right now.

#140 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-04-26 11:27 AM | Reply

"Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To..."

JeffJ are you arguing if it isn't listed there, Congress does not have the power?

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-26 11:35 AM | Reply

He's probably drinking stem cell smoothies.
Helps with age reversal. #133 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Maybe Biden will try to be hip and do an Instagram post with his moisturizer routine.

#142 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-04-26 01:13 PM | Reply

We now get to see who really hates America. I have always said it was people like Danni.
Maybe you would be happier in Europe Danni. America is not your type of country. Stop trying to change it into something it's not.

#29 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Better in Europe? I'm back in Europe with free health care, safe streets, 1 EURO coffee, and a sane President. Hell for Boazo

#143 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-04-26 01:58 PM | Reply

Oh, please. Trump's idea of a Space Force is sharks with lasers in orbit.

#127 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-04-25 06:26 PM | FLAG:

Funny, but ignorant way to look at it.

How many different spaces forces do you want to pay for? Right now it's 4, with a 5th on the way.

"There is a new landmark at the Coast Guard Academy and it is helping to launch the Coast Guard into an era of space operations." -Feb 2019

#144 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-26 01:59 PM | Reply

6 if you count CIA space assets

#145 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-26 02:00 PM | Reply

Everyone wants some of the space and cyber money.

#146 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-04-26 03:34 PM | Reply

It does authorize spending on the "general welfare."

Infrastructure is "general welfare". Food stamps is not. Direct cash welfare is not.

That is "individual welfare".

#83 | Posted by boaz

Once again proudly displaying for all your lack of maturity of being Human.
1. Dependance
2. Independance
3. Interdependance

Only 3 phases to develop full maturity as a Human Being and some can just never seem to get to level 3.

Sad.

isaaccmwiya.wordpress.com

#147 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-26 05:10 PM | Reply

"Infrastructure is "general welfare". Food stamps is not. Direct cash welfare is not."

How about public health?

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-26 05:16 PM | Reply

"How many different spaces forces do you want to pay for? Right now it's 4, with a 5th on the way."

Are you going to pretend SF is created from the budgets of the existing 4? Guess again.

#149 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-26 05:27 PM | Reply

Biden for President. There's my vote. The only man who can defeat Trump, if Trump doesn't steal it again.

#150 | Posted by MisterCarajo at 2019-04-26 06:16 PM | Reply

"Democrats should be proud. Now they need to get it together and kick some Deplorable butt."

More likely, they're going to kill each other and hand Trump another victory.

True statement.

#151 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-26 07:05 PM | Reply

"Are you going to pretend SF is created from the budgets of the existing 4? Guess again."

Wouldn't it? Have you seen something different.

It would seem to me the only way to do it would be to pull the various component forces (AFSPACE, ARSPACE, MARSPACE, NAVSPACE) and combine them. That's kinda the way it happened when the AF became a separate service, the difference being that the AF had formerly been a branch of the Army.

#152 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-26 07:08 PM | Reply

"I still believe it's a gateway drug. I've spent a lot of my life as chairman of the Judiciary Committee dealing with this. I think it would be a mistake to legalize." - Biden
www.marijuanamoment.net

#153 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-26 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I still believe it's a gateway drug. I've spent a lot of my life as chairman of the Judiciary Committee dealing with this. I think it would be a mistake to legalize." - Biden
www.marijuanamoment.net
#153 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-04-26 07:48 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Yep. Bought and paid for by Big Pharma, who also brought us the inescapable opiod family death crisis, saddling millions with debt, sorrow and dysfunction.

Biden is no different from Feinstein, imo. Lifetime scum.

#154 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-04-26 08:23 PM | Reply

Imagine if Obama becomes Biden's VP?

(mic-drop)

#155 | Posted by MisterCarajo at 2019-04-26 10:21 PM | Reply

Imagine if Obama becomes Biden's VP?
(mic-drop)
#155 | POSTED BY MISTERCARAJO

how did that last "micdrop" workout? FAIL

#156 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-26 10:50 PM | Reply

Are you going to pretend SF is created from the budgets of the existing 4? Guess again.

#149 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2019-04-26 05:27 PM | FLAG:

Right now we have 4 SF paid for by 4 different budgets, running overlapping projects, with a 5th on the way.

The only reason people are now glued to this paradigm is because Trump said something. It's pathetic.

#157 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-27 08:27 AM | Reply

Right now we have 4 SF paid for by 4 different budgets...

Any you can bet those 4 budgets will stay with the individual branches and the SF will get a new one on top of them.

The navy and air force might give up their space projects but they are certainly not going to give up the money.

#158 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-27 08:44 AM | Reply

The navy and air force might give up their space projects but they are certainly not going to give up the money.

#158 | POSTED BY REDIAL AT 2019-04-27 08:44 AM | FLAG:

Possibly. It is political, but the army didn't keep its the vast majority of its aviation budget when the Army Air Corp was split off to become the Air Force.

Biggest loser from this would be the USAF. Not sure what the current ratio is, but 85% of military space funding went to them last time it was brought up.

#159 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-27 10:04 AM | Reply

...the army didn't keep its the vast majority of its aviation budget when the Army Air Corp was split off to become the Air Force.

It's not 1947 anymore.

#160 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-27 10:12 AM | Reply

"Right now we have 4 SF paid for by 4 different budgets,"

Agreed. And your pretense the other 4 are going away, and the 5th will be created from the budgets of the other 4, is ludicrous.

#161 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-27 11:09 AM | Reply

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