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Wednesday, April 24, 2019

The US Treasury blew past a Tuesday evening deadline to turn over President Donald Trump's tax returns to House Democrats, with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin saying his department will "take final action on the Committee's request by May 6."

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Mnuchin saying his department will "take final action on the Committee's request by May 6."

Posted by rcade at 12:57 PM

Why is he waiting that long to say no?

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-24 01:02 PM | Reply

So the IRS will decide by May 6th if they will obey the the Law?

That is so very nice of them!

Delaying of Justice is Obstruction of Justice.

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-24 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

"Why is he waiting that long to say no?"

It will take AG Coverup that long to write a summary of Trump's tax returns.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-24 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Right under the right of Congress to request returns is the President's right to request returns.

So, if the WH asks for the committee's returns, no one will object.

#4 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-24 01:37 PM | Reply

The White House has no such legal requirement.

Congress does.

Section 6103(f)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) reads:

Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

#5 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-04-24 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

WH asks for the committee's returns, no one will object.
#4 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Sure, why not?

#6 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-24 02:22 PM | Reply

"WH asks for the committee's returns, no one will object."

Most, if not all of the committee released their taxes when they ran for office. Better try a different threat.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-24 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Nixon, WH 6103(g)

#8 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-24 03:15 PM | Reply

Richard Neal made the request. Where are his tax returns. So, who actually released their returns in full, Dan?

#9 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-24 03:23 PM | Reply

Richard Neal made the request. Where are his tax returns. So, who actually released their returns in full, Dan?

#9 | Posted by Petrous

Releasing tax returns doesnt hurt people who aren't crooks.

Why can't trump just release them?

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-24 03:40 PM | Reply

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Doesn't have to.

#11 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-24 03:45 PM | Reply

The law says "shall." There are no applicable exceptions. It doesn't take weeks or months to decide whether you will follow the law.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-24 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Unless there is a law that overrides that code section.

#13 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-24 03:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Unless there is a law that overrides that code section.

#13 | Posted by Petrous at 2019

Unless there is, or someone can quickly make, a furry purple unicorn to overfly that code section.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-24 04:06 PM | Reply

Not releasing his taxes at this point is an impeachable offense.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-24 04:07 PM | Reply

Unless there is a law that overrides that code section

Cite it. It doesn't exist.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-24 04:12 PM | Reply

"Doesn't have to."

What part of the word "shall" do you not understand?

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-24 04:14 PM | Reply

The law says "shall."
#12 | POSTED BY JOE

According to republicans, "shall" means could but absolutely shouldn't:

"[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States"

#18 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-04-24 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Doesn't have to.
#11 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Why risk looking like a crook trying to hide something when you can put it to bed, like B. Hussein did with his BC. Funny how Trump was central to that matter as well.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-24 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Doesn't have to.

#11 | Posted by Petrous

Even if that were true, which it's not, have you spent any time wondering why trump is so desperate to hide his financial history?

Or do you just blindly follow your cult leader and never question anything he does?

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-24 05:17 PM | Reply

Trump is not required to provide his tax returns.

If his returns are under audit, then releasing them could impair the IRS as well as Trump's right to challenge any IRS decision in court.

Any other party has to give permission for their information to be released that is in his files. According to the code section of Congress, it would have to be closed session.

Any disclosure by Congress and their staff carry severe penalties. The law may allow Congress to see them, but re-disclosure isn't granted unless there is a criminal element.

This section of law also hasn't been tested in court.

And the right of protection involving search and seizure is a Constitutional right. From court cases available, the IRS can secure info to enforce the tax laws. The courts dont accept the nut cases who think self incrimination protects them from paying tax.

However, the Congress request and intent may violate the search and seizure in the bill of rights.

Then, there is executive privilege and separation of powers. Also, Congress may lack power to enforce refusal to disclose. Only the executive enforces law, not the Congress.

#21 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-24 07:40 PM | Reply

If his returns are under audit, then releasing them could impair the IRS

Except the IRS Commissioner already said there is "no rule that would prohibit the release of a tax return because it's under audit."

The law may allow Congress to see them, but re-disclosure isn't granted unless there is a criminal element.

Nobody's talking about "re-disclosure." We're talking about a request by a Congressional committee that comports with the law. Try to stay with us.

This section of law also hasn't been tested in court

Yes it has. But even if your claim were true, it would be because most people are not brazen enough to challenge a plainly worded statute in its clearly applicable context.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-24 08:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It doesn't really matter.

I expect the Congress to get them.

Despite what happened years ago, Congress can't be sued for illegal disclosure due to the speech and debate clause.

It'll take the Supreme Court to stop the disclosure before Congress gets it under some other law or the Constitution.

Once in Congress' hands, they can make copies and mail them to the world without fear if criminality.

This is advancing a dangerous presidence. This kind of reckless political pursuit was long discussed since the turn of the 19th century.

Congress could prove untrustworthy of such access. It won't be the first time.

#23 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-24 08:19 PM | Reply

the Congress request and intent may violate the search and seizure in the bill of rights.

Lol. You think Congress viewing information already voluntarily provided to the federal government is a 4th amendment violation? Please show me your analysis.

there is executive privilege and separation of powers

Executive privilege applies to acts of the executive branch, not the acts of Donald J Trump the private citizen. Separation of powers likewise applies to governmental actions. The executive branch didn't file Trump's tax returns.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-24 08:22 PM | Reply

I think the framers were a lot more concerned about a scoundrel like Trump acheiving high office than they were about the public seeing his tax returns. And any Congress, of any party, up to about 30 years ago would have impeached this POS on day one.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-24 08:24 PM | Reply

"Trump is not required to provide his tax returns."

Reread the law, and get back to us.

"If his returns are under audit... "

They're not. He's been lying to you.

" releasing them could impair the IRS as well as trumps right to challenge any IRS decision court"

That's a bald- faced lie. Who is telling you these falsehoods, or are you making them up out of whole cloth?

" ... The right of protection involving search and seizure is a constitutional right"

Not when it comes to the president and his tax returns. Again, read the law and get back to us.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-24 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is not required to provide his tax returns.

#21 | Posted by Petrous

If the law applies to him, then yes he is.

Does the law apply to him?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-24 08:34 PM | Reply

#21 | Posted by Petrous

You dodged the question so I'll ask it again:

Have you spent any time wondering why trump is so desperate to hide his financial history?
Or do you just blindly follow your cult leader and never question anything he does?

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-24 08:35 PM | Reply

Also, Congress may lack power to enforce refusal to disclose. Only the executive enforces law, not the Congress.
#21 | Posted by Petrous

Actually, in this specific case, Congress has impeachment powers, which is an enforcement power.

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-04-24 08:38 PM | Reply

If his returns are under audit...
#21 | POSTED BY PETROUS

They're not. Trump's personal lawyer Rudy said so yesterday.

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-24 09:01 PM | Reply

It won't be the first time.
#23 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Then you have nothing to worry about.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-24 09:03 PM | Reply

"If his returns are under audit..."

According to tax law, if a taxpayer is audited and the IRS finds "no change", they can only be audited one more time in that area. If the IRS again finds "no change", that taxpayer cannot be audited on the topic for a number of years. IOW, Trump is either lying through his teeth, or he's doing something fishy every year.

So...Trump is lying to you, expecting you to swallow those lies.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-24 09:14 PM | Reply

"If his returns are under audit, then releasing them could impair the IRS as well as Trump's right to challenge any IRS decision in court."

That was an old excuse:

White House Chief of Staff Contradicts Trump, Admits President 'Could Always Allow' People to See Tax Returns Despite Audit

www.newsweek.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-24 09:35 PM | Reply

"That was an old excuse"

That was also a bald-faced lie.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-24 09:39 PM | Reply

If the law applies to him (Trump), then yes he is.

Does the law apply to him?

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 20

Under the theory of governance Trumpites apply----No, the laws do not apply to him.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-25 08:23 AM | Reply

This is advancing a dangerous presidence. This kind of reckless political pursuit was long discussed since the turn of the 19th century.

Congress could prove untrustworthy of such access. It won't be the first time.

#23 | POSTED BY PETROUS

Aren't you Special!!

Worrying about the the trust of Congress. Congress, who created the Law, that requires you to pay taxes, created a Law that allows them to make sure that the IRS, which was created by Law, which is created by Congress, is enforcing the Law fairly.

And this would not even be an issue if Trump would stop being such a Dick and release his returns, like he said he would, like all Presidents do now for obvious reasons...so we can see if he is obeying the the Law he is now tasked with enforcing.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-25 10:38 AM | Reply

It'll take the Supreme Court to stop the disclosure before Congress gets it under some other law or the Constitution

#21 | POSTED BY PETROUS AT 2019-04-24 07:40 PM | REPLY

Are you saying that SCOTUS will/should ignore "some other law" or the Constitution to protect Trump?

#37 | Posted by autonomous at 2019-04-25 01:36 PM | Reply

When these liars defend Trump's refusal to obey the law I just imagine that it were Obama instead of Trump and ask what would they have said about it then? The liars are such hypocritical sychophants of Orange Hitler that I want to vomit. They simply have no self-respect.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-26 07:05 AM | Reply

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