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Saturday, April 20, 2019

Yeltsin's US economic reforms had spiked unemployment and inflation. Between 1990 and 1994, the average life expectancy among Russian men dropped by an astonishing six years. When Yeltsin began his reelection campaign in January 1996, his approval rating stood at 6%, lower than Stalin's. So Bill Clinton demanded the International Monetary Fund give Russia a $10 billion loan, which Yeltsin distributed to woo voters. Three American political consultants, Richard Dresner, a Clinton veteran, worked on Yeltsin's reelection bid. Dresner sent the White House the Yeltsin campaign's internal weekly polling. When Bill met Yeltsin in April, Dresner advised him what he should say to boost Yeltsin's campaign. In a stunning turnaround, last place Yeltsin defeated his rivals by 13%. Some international observers judged it to be a free and fair election." But Michael Meadowcroft, a Brit who led an election-observer team claimed there had been widespread voter fraud.

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In Chechnya, which international observers believe contained fewer than 500,000 adults, one million people voted, and Yeltsin, despite his brutal war in the region, won 70%. Bombed out of existence, and they still supposedly voted for Yeltsin. Clinton officials knew the election wasn't truly fair.

It begs a question that few American pundits and politicians have answered yet: Is Russia's behavior in 2016 something that America should respect as well? During the Cold War, America's leaders saw nothing wrong with electoral interference, so long as the United States was conducting it. We bragged about it.

Danni could have figured this out in 2 minutes by googling it, but she prefers to live in denial.

http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html

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The problem is that two wrongs don't make a right... a proverb used to rebuke or renounce wrongful conduct as a response to another's transgression.

And this was not even a response to some old transgression. The entire idea is a Whataboutism, and irrelevant to Russia's actions interfering in elections here and around the world today.

en.wikipedia.org

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-21 11:43 AM | Reply

o'bummer did it so that is OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How about 3 wrongs cor? Does that make it righter?

Obama State Dept: $350K For Campaign Infrastructure Used Against Netanyahu In Israel Election
Michael W. Chapman
By Michael W. Chapman | December 12, 2016 | 2:52 PM EST

According to the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (PSI), the State Department gave $349,276 in U.S. taxpayer-funded grants to a political group in Israel to build a campaign operation, which subsequently was used to try to influence Israelis to vote against conservative Benjamin Netanyahu in the March 2015 election for prime minister.

In the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report about the State Department's action, Chairman Bob Portman (R-Ohio) said, "It is completely unacceptable that U.S. taxpayer dollars were used to build a political campaign infrastructure that was deployed -- immediately after the grant ended -- against the leader [Netanyahu] of our closest ally in the Middle East. American resources should be used to help our allies in the region, not undermine them."

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-21 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

His point, which you are willfully avoiding, is that the narrative of Russians working to influence our elections being "unprecedented acts of aggressive influence" is absolutely false, and it is detrimental to our ability to achieve our general goals of human cooperation and happiness.

#3 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-04-21 02:41 PM | Reply

The point is, most large governments do it. They have been for years.

#4 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-21 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- the narrative of Russians working to influence our elections being "unprecedented acts of aggressive influence"

Sorry, haven't heard anyone naive enough to claim that this Russian action, this continuing action, is "unprecedented". But then, I don't watch network news, so maybe they do.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-21 05:29 PM | Reply

You got more than that.

#6 | Posted by Ottodog at 2019-04-21 06:57 PM | Reply

I've never meant this to be an excuse for Russia. I've always maintained that Obama's sanctions were an appropriate response.

I is wrong for Russia to interfere in US elections. It is wrong for the USA to interfere in other domestic elections.

The US should announce its intention to cease and desist along with holding other countries to the same standard.

I still doubt Russia tipped the scales and the Mueller Report reaches the same conclusions. Gerrymandering and the idiotic Electoral College is sufficient to explain the whole fiasco. But there are other factors which play favorably for Trump today, as long as the economy remains on an upward trend.

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-21 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

His point, which you are willfully avoiding, is that the narrative of Russians working to influence our elections being "unprecedented acts of aggressive influence" is absolutely false, and it is detrimental to our ability to achieve our general goals of human cooperation and happiness.

#3 | Posted by Ottodog

WTF was hiltabeast doing buy paying a foreign agent to get false information from russia to sway the election....... What was the FBI doing using that false information for an attemped coup against an elected president? Who was trying to rig what?

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-22 02:33 PM | Reply

"I'm not interested in US interference and atrocities around the globe."

-Danni Cork Tuesday

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-22 03:48 PM | Reply

Corky,

"The problem is that two wrongs don't make a right"

That's what you've got?

A cliche?

Come on admit it.

Liberals wouldn't give a rat's patootie about "meddling" if Hillary had won.

And the part that really hurts is that the hacking of the DNC servers revealed how badly the democrats sabotaged Bernie Saunders and were determined to rig the system for Hillary to be nominated.

How embarrassing.

This article points out the truth.

Liberals being offended is situational and not really based on principle as they want everyone to believe.

#10 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-22 07:37 PM | Reply

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Bay,

I'm not so sure how much I believe this DNC sabotage reveal didn't change the election.

I mean...how many Bernie supporters stayed home on election day?

#11 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-22 07:52 PM | Reply

Bay,

Did it change the results of the election?

Who knows?

All we can do now is speculate.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-22 07:58 PM | Reply

As I've said repeatedly, it is impossible to quantify unacceptable Russian interference, but many obvious domestic facts look larger, gerrymandering and the stupid electoral college are sufficient to entirely explain the tragic outcome. Hillary won the popular vote in spite of the fact that gerrymandering provided the razor thin margins in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin that gave Trump the only number that actually mattered.

#13 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-22 11:16 PM | Reply

Bay,

Another odd occurrence with the 2016 election was that nearly all polls got it wrong.

Hillary was a sure thing, but she lost.

I've read Trump supporters were in higher numbers than believed.

That is possible. I can well imagine Trump supporters keeping their opinions close to the vest even with pollsters.

However, my feeling on the matter is people polled identified as Democrat and appeared to pollsters as "a vote for Hillary".

I noticed Bernie supporters were raging mad.

Mad enough to poll as Democrat but stay home?

Would explain the poll discrepancy.

#14 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-23 06:04 AM | Reply

I have never approved of the U.S. interfering in elections anywhere but the point is I don't want American politicians encouraging other nations to interfere with our elections. In Russia no one is naive enough to actually believe the results reflect the true will of the people but I used to think we were a more democratic nation than Russia. Apparently, some here today don't even care if we are or not. Can't ever forget Manafort giving a Russian oligarch the polling data for several key states. It is one thing to have to deal with foreign states infecting our election system, it is quite another to assist them as they do it and that is what the Trump campaign did do.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-23 12:09 PM | Reply

Danni,

"Apparently, some here today don't even care if we are or not."

Yea...I know. I've seen this routine all my life.

Aaaahhhh....no one else cares like you do.

Are you telling me you "used to think" America's democracy was better than Russia but now you don't?

Perhaps the Democratic Party should be renamed the Pity Party.

"We're the only ones who care."

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-23 12:18 PM | Reply

Three forces are at work undermining our democracy, apathy, money and an unelected bureaucracy which does what it wants while Congress and the White House bicker.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-23 07:53 PM | Reply

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