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Saturday, April 20, 2019

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Friday called on Congress to begin impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump. ... "The severity of this misconduct demands that elected officials in both parties set aside political considerations and do their constitutional duty," she tweeted. "That means the House should initiate impeachment proceedings against the President of the United States."

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Other Democratic hopefuls have said the report puts the question of impeachment on the table.

Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, told NBC News Friday that there's "evidence that this president deserves to be impeached" but added that he is not in Congress and will leave it those who are to decide whether to pursue proceedings.

Democratic presidential contender Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota dodged the question of whether Trump should face impeachment on MSNBC's "All in With Chris Hayes" Thursday, while Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., did not rule it out.

"Our job if there is impeachment brought, and that is up to the House, our job is to be the jury. So, I have been really careful about talking about what we would do if impeachment came before us," Klobuchar said.

"I think that there is definitely a conversation to be had on that subject, but first I want to hear from Bob Mueller," Harris told Hayes in a separate interview Thursday, "and really understand what exactly is the evidence that supports the summary that we have been given today."

Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., who recently announced a White House bid, said on MSNBC Friday that impeachment is "a conversation we have to have as far as holding this president accountable," but when asked to clarify whether that means he supports impeachment, he said, "I'm for bringing Bob Mueller in and see what the evidence is."

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 04:41 PM | Reply

She gets my vote

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-04-19 04:57 PM | Reply

Liz serves up the flavor of the day! She has no immediate consequences. Impeachment is unlikely in the House, but she won't need to be part of those proceedings. I put the chance of the POTUS being removed in a Senate trial even lower than impeachment getting out of the House. But it's a simple sound bite to rally the base. Well played Ms. Warren!! Impeach 45!

#3 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-04-20 08:13 AM | Reply

But it's a simple sound bite to rally the base.

#3 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-04-20 08:13 AM | Reply

Impeachment is justice.

Impeachment is what's good for the country.

After Mueller both things are obvious.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-20 08:18 AM | Reply

Impeachment for non-obstruction of a witch-hunt investigation of a hoax crime? Yes please.

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-20 08:45 AM | Reply

Impeachment for non-obstruction of a witch-hunt investigation of a hoax crime? Yes please.

#5 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Have you read the report? It is pretty damning.

No. We don't impeach for the nonsense in your head.

We do and should Impeach for Obstruction of Justice for trying to block a legal and necessary investigation into the Russians interference in our elections.

We should impeach for abuse of power.

The "witches" are being caught and are being tried and convicted.

So how was it a "hoax" again??

Has Trump even admitted publicly yet that the Russians did and are continuing to interfere in our elections and many elections around the world?

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 08:58 AM | Reply

Trump is a criminal. And in our Democracy no man is above the Law.

Investigate and call all involved to testify publicly starting with Mueller. Impeachment may be the End game. But we probably would not need to go that far. The investigations and testimony may do the trick and impeachment may not even be necessary.

Trump won't be to hold it together under that much pressure for that long.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 09:05 AM | Reply

The investigation of Trump was a political dirty trick designed to mask the fact that Obama spied on a political opponent during the campaign as well as hobble Trump's presidency. Mueller knew early on that Trump and the campaign didn't collude with the Russians and yet continued the investigation for 22 months. There were no indictments of any Americans for collusion or conspiracy with Russians attempting to influence the election.

#8 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-20 09:05 AM | Reply

There were no indictments of any Americans for collusion or conspiracy with Russians attempting to influence the election.

#8 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Collusion was the deflection. The Russians did not "attempt" to influence... this language shows your ignorance of the subject...they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams to manipulate our elections.

Trump denied and continues to deny Russians interfered.

He interfered and attempted to derail the investigation. A legitimate and legal and necessary investigation.

That investigation uncovered numerous contacts with the Russians. Trump to fire Mueller to stop the investigation.

That my friend is called Obstruction of Justice.

Interference in an legal investigation was an abuse power and obstruction of justice.

Congress now has the duty to hold this President accountable. Impeachment is one of those options.

Welcome to our Democracy Deplorables!!

It's messy.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 09:17 AM | Reply

Trump TRIED to fire Mueller to stop the investigation.

That is still obstruction. And Mueller laid out about ten other instances of obstruction of justice.

Stop lying and saying there was no obstruction.

There were about 10 instances of obstruction listed in the report

Now it is Congress duty to hold the President accountable for this obvious abuse of power.

And the chips will fall where they may.

Enjoy the Show.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 09:22 AM | Reply

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You deplorables need to ask yourselves.

What would have happened if this President was black and a report of a two year investigation came out with 400 pages of damning evidence of obstruction of justice and Abuse of power and cooperation with Russia during a presidential election ??

Now imagine what a Republican controlled House and Senate would have done or would be doing with that information right now.

That's right. It would be worse. Way worse.

The Democrats are being rather restrained and timid in comparison.

Impeachment is inevitable but there is more to be done by Congress first. Mueller needs to testify.

Baby steps.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 09:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"in our Democracy no man is above the Law."

The law disagrees. Here's just the first example I saw today.

boingboing.net

#12 | Posted by qcp at 2019-04-20 09:30 AM | Reply

Biden: 30
Sanders: 22.5
Beto: 8.8
Kamala: 8.5

Sanders & the far more likeable Mayor Pete tied at 6.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-20 09:36 AM | Reply

Warren & Mayor Pete tied. F this time for more coffee.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-20 09:36 AM | Reply

Re 21

He was found "not guilty".

By law.

So not ABOVE the Law.
(Doesn't mean we have to agree with verdict)


#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 09:45 AM | Reply

I see this as a legitimate investigation that was corrupted and weaponized by Democrats and the Deep State into an attempted coup against Trump. Meanwhile the Chinese and Russians smile.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-20 09:50 AM | Reply

media.giphy.com

#17 | Posted by qcp at 2019-04-20 09:54 AM | Reply

When Trump wins in 2020, it will be because of crap like this. Nobody likes Trump. It would be relatively easy for the Dems to ignore Trump, and just let the fire burn out. Instead, the continue to throw fuel on the fire and fan the flames.

#18 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-20 10:38 AM | Reply

Baby steps.
#11 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Followed by baby falls, baby cries, baby pacifiers, and a diaper change.

All the ingredients of a Dem meltdown and Trump's 2nd term.

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-20 11:05 AM | Reply

Has this changed anybody's choice for the Dem primary? Are you now going to vote for Warren because she was the first to say it?

#20 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-20 11:17 AM | Reply

There was both collusion with the Russians and obstruction of justice. What there wasn't was collusion that reached the legal threshold of conspiracy in two areas: Russian govt hacking of the DNC and Podesta and the IRA's social media election interference campaign. (Mueller's report outlines pages upon pages of Team Trump/Russia collusion, however.) What there wasn't was the ability for Mueller to prosecute Trump for obstruction, so he outlined the case for obstruction for Congress and/or future prosecutors to pursue once Trump leaves office. Hearings will make these facts known to the American people.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-20 11:21 AM | Reply

Dema ain't too smart......... They forget what happened when clinton was impeached.

#22 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-20 11:56 AM | Reply

#22 Clinton was impeached for lying about a -------. Trump should be impeached for requesting and accepting information stolen from Americans by a hostile foreign government to help him win an election. He has also lied about it daily, as did virtually all of the people around him. Get a brain if you can't tell the difference.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-20 01:02 PM | Reply

Go for it as it should be entertaining to watch the attempt.

#24 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-04-20 01:10 PM | Reply

Impeachment for non-obstruction of a witch-hunt investigation of a hoax crime?

#5 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-

You're not stupid.

That makes you evil.

It may be worthwhile to speak with you again after you've learned to recognize immediate reality.

And after you realize that you're sorry for you behavior.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-20 01:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All the ingredients of a Dem meltdown and Trump's 2nd term.

#19 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2

You're not stupid.

That makes you evil.

It may be worthwhile to speak with you again after you've learned to recognize immediate reality.

And after you realize that you're sorry for you behavior.

#26 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-20 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The guiding principle for impeachment must be what's good for the country.

That's an interesting debate, and I've already studied both sides.

Perhaps the best option is to beat Trump in 2020.

If he decides not to leave office voluntarily, arrest him.

If he leaves voluntarily, arrest him on the obviously forthcoming indictments.

Perhaps the second best option is Trump somehow succeeds in 2020 is to nonetheless win the Senate, then impeach him.

After he is impeached, arrest him on the obviously forthcoming indictments.

#27 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-20 01:45 PM | Reply

"Perhaps the best option is to beat Trump in 2020."

Agreed Zed. It is the Best Option

But after Congress gets their Full Release we will all feel much better. A full release is what we all need now after all this foreplay!!

And they can call witness after witness to testify (Mueller first)

Shine the light in these coach-roaches.

Continue the investigations. In public. For all to see. They may feel obligated to impeach. Probably will feel obligated to impeach. But there is no hurry as we know the Senate with block it. But the evidence is so overwhelming that many Senators will be forced to acknowledge that.

But just take slow. The drip drip drip should be enough to seal the deal with America. They will be so sick and disgusted they will gladly kick him to the curb. And right into prison.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 01:57 PM | Reply

Trump should be impeached for requesting and accepting information stolen from Americans by a hostile foreign government to help him win an election. - #23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-20 01:02 PM
Is that your first lie of the day or just another one?

#29 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-20 02:31 PM | Reply

Has he been convicted?

Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-20 02:36 PM | Reply

RE: #30 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2019-04-20 02:36 PM

I'd suggest you look up what impeachment means.

#31 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-04-20 02:42 PM | Reply

Followed by baby falls, baby cries, baby pacifiers, and a diaper change.

All the ingredients of a Dem meltdown and Trump's 2nd term.

#19 | POSTED BY Comrade Sheepie

Thank Gawd you predicted this as your predictions are ALWAYS wrong.
Remeber your prediction of no blue wave in the midterms, how did that turn out Yuri? You predict, the opposite happens.

#32 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-20 02:46 PM | Reply

Looks like the alt-right (R)tards got their talking points from Fox News early today.

#33 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-20 02:47 PM | Reply

- blue wave in the midterms

LOL. you voted in a circular firing squad.

They can't even agree to disagree. The open hostility is at best, awkward.

Enjoy the 2016 repeat, only this time, rabid Dem's will eat each other in the stretch.

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-20 03:06 PM | Reply

I wonder if Jill Stein will break 2% this time?

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-20 03:34 PM | Reply

I wonder if Jill Stein will break 2% this time?

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-20 03

You think the Russians will be working for her or just Trump in 2020?

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-20 03:53 PM | Reply

You think the Russians will be working for her...

No, I'm pretty sure they know a waste of time when they see one.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-20 04:29 PM | Reply

It seems nobody here has been swayed to Warren's candidacy by this.

#38 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-20 04:49 PM | Reply

Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, told NBC News Friday that there's "evidence that this president deserves to be impeached" but added that he is not in Congress...

Cowardly copout. Pathetic.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-20 04:59 PM | Reply

"It seems nobody here has been swayed to Warren's candidacy by this."

I initially gave Warren my endorsement, but it turns out I'm an Indian giver.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-20 05:12 PM | Reply

So many law professors and experts in this thread.

It's impressive that one single web news forum can draw such a brain trust.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-20 05:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- I initially gave Warren my endorsement - SNOOF

#metoo2 - But now that Bernie's running, I'm all in

until the DNC, CNN, and NBC do everything to torpedo him.

Then I'll just laugh as the establishment implode.

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-20 05:16 PM | Reply

she's right.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-20 05:17 PM | Reply

#44 nice

#44 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-20 06:25 PM | Reply

#40 even okay time to put down the phonr

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-20 06:26 PM | Reply

Democrat 2020 platform:

i2.wp.com

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-20 06:36 PM | Reply


@#5 ... impeachment for non-obstruction ...

Obviously you have not read Mr Mueller's report.

#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-20 07:37 PM | Reply


@#8 ... Mueller knew early on that Trump and the campaign didn't collude with the Russians ...

Again, have you read Mr Mueller's report?

#48 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-20 07:39 PM | Reply


@#46 ... Democrat 2020 platform: ...

That's not their platform. At this point, I'd say the Democrats are moving toward healthcare.

But if the Republicans continue to think that cartoon represents the Democrats' platform, it could get very interesting.

For example... given that Mr Mueller, in his report, has all but outright recommended that Pres Trump be indicted for obstruction once he leaves office, the likelihood of Pres Trump resigning, and a future Pres Pence pardoning fmr Pres Trump has increased a bit.

#49 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-20 07:51 PM | Reply

Cowardly copout. Pathetic.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian

Why? What can he do? Other than agree that Trumpy needs to be impeached.

But, more importantly for this thread. Do YOU agree with Warren that the House should take up the issue of Impeachment considering what was in the Report?

Let's see how "pathetic" and "cowardly" YOU are.

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-20 09:15 PM | Reply

What would have happened if this President was black and a report of a two year investigation came out with 400 pages of damning evidence of obstruction of justice and Abuse of power and cooperation with Russia during a presidential election??

#11 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2019-04-20 09:29 AM | REPLY |

I would recommend to my GOP friends that they seek therapy and counseling for their own internal issues that make them unhappy.

Loads of Republicans needed to do that in the last Presidency.

Loads of you Trump haters need to deal with your own internal issues that make you so unhappy. I hope you do.

Stop waiting for the externalities to make you happy. They never will.

You weren't happy with the summary.
You aren't happy with the full but redacted report.
You won't be happy with the full report or Muller testifying.

President Trump shouldn't be that hard to beat yet you guys are gonna manage to screw THAT up the way you're going.

#51 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-04-21 07:16 AM | Reply

President Trump shouldn't be that hard to beat yet you guys are gonna manage to screw THAT up the way you're going.

#51 | POSTED BY DRIVELIKEJEHU

Perhaps you are not actually IN America.

America has been effectively divided and neutralized. We may be the most powerful nation in the known universe.

But we are weak and helpless against Fakebook.

Yes. We will all need therapy after this is over.

You were convinced somehow to elect a con man and a literal idiot whose main intention was to increase his personal profit at the expense of our National Security.

And we did not fight hard enough to prevent it.

We will all have to learn to live somehow with the results.

Our confidence in our own election systems have been undermined. Have you noticed how close the elections are these days?? One little nudge at the very last second was all it took last time.

Even you think the choice is clear but I bet you would still vote for him again because of them evil socialist liberal Dems trying to turn is all into some liberal commie pinko ----. . Am I close??

Mission Accomplished!!

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-21 10:52 AM | Reply

When your chief investigator after this long says the evidence didn't prove or disprove being guilty, it is a stretch to call for impeachment.

Should impeachment be treated under the criminal level of proof or civil?

#53 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-21 11:49 AM | Reply

Has this changed anybody's choice for the Dem primary? Are you now going to vote for Warren because she was the first to say it?

Not this alone, but between this and her taking a strong stance on other issues I am definitely giving her a more serious look.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-21 01:15 PM | Reply

When your chief investigator after this long says the evidence didn't prove or disprove being guilty, it is a stretch to call for impeachment.

If Trump hadn't obstructed justice, Mueller would have said so. He clearly believes Trump obstructed justice but respected certain conventions and kicked it to Congress. There are multiple instances where he explicitly runs through the elements of obstruction and says each of them were met.

Maybe you should read the report.

#55 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-21 01:19 PM | Reply

I was wondering which Dem hopeful would be the first. It ends up being the injun.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-21 02:34 PM | Reply

Bottom line is Mueller's investigation was not impeded in any way.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-21 02:36 PM | Reply

Dems would do far better for themselves if they dropped this nonsense and focused on 2020.

Warren is trailing big time. This is her play to appeal to the base. It's a move borne out of desperation.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-21 02:40 PM | Reply

To the Democrats in the House. Go ahead and impeach Trump. All the Republicans that voted to reject his declaration of an emergency on the border will vote to impeach him as they hate him as much as you do. The big money donors of the Republican party (Koch brothers et al) also hate Trump and can convince enough of the rest of them to go along with the impeachment. That would put Pence as President. Pence would have to become McConnell's bitch to run for election in 2020 otherwise the donors will find someone who is not so far to the right. (Like Romney, Ryan, Jeb Bush, you get the picture). There is a strong chance that even the most left-wing Democrat could get elected President as almost all the Trump supporters would just F@@@ing stay home out of disgust. While I voted for Trump in 2016 and will do so again in 2020, I am old and dying. My grandkids are a bunch of snowflakes that refuse to take a job that they think is beneath them. They want all the free stuff, but do not understand nothing is free. Their parents are all busting their butts to have their kids at home doing nothing after scrimping and saving to put them through college. Only one of the 6 is worth a damn and she is a nurse. My time is almost over. The United States is dying, I had hoped that Trump would have been able to get it back on the right track, but the hate from the left and globalist right was just too strong.

#59 | Posted by LittleJake at 2019-04-21 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Warren is trailing big time. This is her play to appeal to the base. It's a move borne out of desperation."

Of all the candidates, saying that about Warren is the biggest lie possible. Warren has been representing the interests of working class people for a very long time and she is absolutely right about impeaching Trump and, apparently, unless things have changed in the last 24 hours or so, she is the only Presidential candidate with the guts to demand impeachment. The others are going to regret their weakness in the face of obvious danger to our democracy and nation represented by this gangster in the WH.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-21 03:27 PM | Reply

"Bottom line is Mueller's investigation was not impeded in any way."

Did Trump refise to take the oath and testify like Clinton did, did his aides lie to Mueller at his behest, were emails destroyed, did Jeff lie? Yes to all!

#61 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-21 03:29 PM | Reply

Mueller's investigation was not impeded in any way.

Only because people like McGahn wouldn't follow Trump's orders. And your post is not how obstruction of justice works.

The President is a criminal. Anyone defending him is obnoxious.

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-21 03:32 PM | Reply

@ little racist jake....

Hopefully the Grim Reaper will do his job before the 2020 election and puts you out of your grandkids misery. Bring your sunblock Cleetus because where you are going it's going to be real hot!

#63 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-21 05:13 PM | Reply

Had to go the racist route right off did we. You do not know me, what I am like, what I have done and the people that are with me. That 5 of my 6 grandkids will not get off their asses and get jobs yet want to have kids of their own makes me sick to my heart. The little punks will demand that the tax payer support them and their kids instead of supporting themselves. Now you think about that, you will be paying for them. That I am going to hell is well known so your comment only stated what I know.

#64 | Posted by LittleJake at 2019-04-21 06:30 PM | Reply

Had to go the racist route right off did we. You do not know me, what I am like, what I have done and the people that are with me. That 5 of my 6 grandkids will not get off their asses and get jobs yet want to have kids of their own makes me sick to my heart. The little punks will demand that the tax payer support them and their kids instead of supporting themselves. Now you think about that, you will be paying for them. That I am going to hell is well known so your comment only stated what I know.

#64 | POSTED BY comrade racist little jake

I didn't "go the racist route", YOU did son, when you voted for and continue to support a racist.

As for your lazy grandkids... well they got your genes so I'm not real surprised a grifting alt-right racist troglodyte as yourself would have lazy grandkids.

#65 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-21 06:58 PM | Reply

I see this as a legitimate investigation that was corrupted and weaponized by Democrats and the Deep State into an attempted coup against Trump. Meanwhile the Chinese and Russians smile.

#16 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Jesus. Even with the report out righties are still toting this idiotic line.

#66 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-21 07:31 PM | Reply

When Trump wins in 2020, it will be because of crap like this. Nobody likes Trump.
#18 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Do you make a point of saying dumb, demonstrably wrong stuff?

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-21 07:32 PM | Reply

Democrat 2020 platform:
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#46 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You'll believe anything anti-Dem put in front of you, won't you?

#68 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-21 07:36 PM | Reply

The United States is dying, I had hoped that Trump would have been able to get it back on the right track, but the hate from the left and globalist right was just too strong.

#59 | POSTED BY LITTLEJAKE

Yeah, and Republicans are responsible for the vast majority of the 1,000 cuts.

#69 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-21 07:40 PM | Reply

NY Times: Says, the Steele dossier appears to be false, and possibly was a Russian disinformation effort. Which hand tied the President of the United States for two possibly three years...

And Democrats fell for it hook line and sinker .. they are traitors, doing Russias bidding.

Mueller Report Likely to Renew Scrutiny of Steele Dossier

Now the dossier -- financed by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee, and compiled by the former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele -- is likely to face new, possibly harsh scrutiny from multiple inquiries.
www.nytimes.com

Good luck morons...

#70 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-21 07:41 PM | Reply

they are traitors, doing Russias bidding.

And Trump isn't?

#71 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-21 07:49 PM | Reply

Fat Andy Mattress lying his fat ass off again.

#72 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-21 08:31 PM | Reply

And Trump isn't?
#71 | POSTED BY JPW

Correct. it was a hoax, Jim Beam breath.

#73 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-21 08:45 PM | Reply

#73 either you haven't read the report and you're just blathering ignorantly or you did read some of it and you're a lying sack of 💩.

Because the report doesn't in any way shape or form support the hoax notion.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-21 09:17 PM | Reply

"That 5 of my 6 grandkids will not get off their asses and get jobs yet want to have kids of their own makes me sick to my heart. The little punks will demand that the tax payer support them and their kids instead of supporting themselves. Now you think about that, you will be paying for them. That I am going to hell is well known so your comment only stated what I know."

And now, I will post the most important post of my life and the most honest one. I honestly did raise my three kids in a very lower working class neighborhood and sent them to a school where some of the good teachers would come to me and advise me to "get your kids out of programs" that were really just baby sitting services for teenagers. I always listened to them and today, they aren't lost souls. They have great lives. My son just bought a house here in S. Floria. To do that here without Daddy or Mommy helping, with a foreign wife, who owns a condo in Ukraine and has a son in college there too.....And another daughter who works for a university designing Medicaid for the future.....and worst, I just had a complete physical cuz my kids demanded that I do it, he said I will probably live forever. I'm 68, but I take no meds, blood pressure slightly high but not high enough for meds, I have to climb stairs every day....many times!
My beutiful grandson and his even more beautiful girl friend came by tonight. I so appreciate the love my daughters and sons show me but even more it is so wonderful to enjoy that which my grandchidren give me. I feel honestly blessed.

#75 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-21 09:33 PM | Reply

Danni you are indeed blessed. I did everything I could to put my kids through college. They all worked while in school so that when they finished they had no bills. They all had good jobs (the one that was a computer programmer had the hardest time due to the H1B visa program) He has managed to keep it together but it has been tough. My kids did not want their kids to have to work while in college. Student loans and the parents paying is how they did it. One was a woman studies major, one studied Ancient Norway mythology. One studied ancient Asia History, one did what he called pre-law (failed the LSAT) and one was a French history major. The one that went to Nursing school worked while in school and her parents did everything they could to help. She ended up with a debt of 10K but since she was working and making a good life, I paid the debt. I suppose that I am to blame, I taught my daughters and to some extent my granddaughters to never be beholding to any man. Stand on your own two feet and be strong. My library had books on all of the majors that the others took and when asked by them when they were younger, I took the time to inform them on the subject and give them the books. I wanted them all to think for themselves. When I saw what they were taking in college I tried to convince them to take classes that will get them jobs. All but one said I was just being an old fart and did not understand the new generation. You can guess which one did not desert the old fart. After my 3 heart attacks, and the 9 months in the hospital due to infection after infection, the only one that took the time to visit me was the youngest (nurse). My kids all let me know that they screwed up by not making their kids work and do chores the way I did to them. Personal responsibility can not be learned from a book but only from the parent. Maybe I was too hard on my kids, but they were all successful. I do love my grandkids, they are not stupid, they just think everything should be given to them, the way their parents gave to them as they were growing up and are still giving to them by letting them stay at home. Aborted Monson may get (his/her) wish and I will die before the 2020 election. But if not and if you Democrats manage to impeach Trump and get him convicted, I will be one of those that will stay home. The country will be lost and nothing I can do to save it. I have been teaching my kids (not the grandkids, they do not listen to me anymore) how to grow their own food, raise animals for food and make clean water and salt from sea water. Danni I truly envy you. You are blessed.

#76 | Posted by LittleJake at 2019-04-21 10:36 PM | Reply

"Gov. Romney, I'm glad you recognize al-Qaeda is a threat, because a few months ago when you were asked what is the biggest geopolitical group facing America, you said Russia -- not al-Qaeda. And the 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back -- because the Cold War has been over for 20 years. But Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980's, just like the social policy of the 1950's, and the economic policies of the 1920's."

Guess where this gem comes from ... a full throated defense of Russia....

Remember Obama bending over to let Putin take Crimea?

Was Obama Too Soft on Russia?
www.theatlantic.com

Obama team was warned in 2014 about Russian interference
www.politico.com

It just keeps getting deeper and deeper ....

#77 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-21 10:38 PM | Reply

Got a feeling "Little Jake" is a "story teller". Just remember to keep your lies straight Jake.
The more .you post, the more likely your lies will be exposed. Your Welcome.

Myself and others here have been exposing you alt-right (R)tarded trolls for years now.
Your BS won't fly here snowflake!

#78 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-21 11:26 PM | Reply

Ali H. Soufan @Ali_H_Soufan

"Total exoneration," is a perfect example of a lie traveling halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-21 11:43 PM | Reply

It just keeps getting deeper and deeper ....

#77 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-04-21 10:38 PM | FLAG | EYE ROLL

Just like your stupid... an infinite cesspit of asininity.

I bet you voted for Bush-hole 2... both times. He was supposed to fix all that bad that Clinton had done... we know how well that went... BTW Clinton was correct about bin Laden... and Bush-hole 2 chose to ignore that... because he was a friend of the family.

What we know is... Obama told Putin to "cut it out" and Trumplethinskin told the world he believed Putin didn't have a reason to interfere... in public... for the whole world to see... and he looked weak and pathetic standing there gushing at Putin while doing it...making it clear that he thought our intelligence agencies had it wrong and that Putin volunteered to come in and help us fix our problems with security.

Nothing is going to top Trumplethinskin's stupid in this matter.

#80 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-04-22 03:24 AM | Reply

"Remember Obama bending over to let Putin take Crimea?
Was Obama Too Soft on Russia?
www.theatlantic.com"

Hey stupid, Ukraine was not a part of NATO, we had no basis to go to war with Russia over Crimea. Pretend all you want, I'm not even going to read your article. I followed that situation quite well without the instructions from some pundit. You want to bash Obama, hey I'll help you. He should have insulted the royal family of Saudi Arabia, stood up to those murdering savages. I'll go along with that criticism but not a stupid one like yours.

#81 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-22 07:18 AM | Reply

EVERYONE that rails against our criminal justice system because it favors the rich and powerful should be "up in arms" about how the Mueller report avoids drawing a conclusion about obstruction and how the AG has spun the findings of the Mueller report. The CBC should be livid that justice is being denied (again) to a rich, powerful, white male. The CBC should become obstructionist, just like the tea party, and throw sand in the gears of anything the dems try to do until justice is served on rich, powerful and white perps just like it is on the poor and people of color. They won't because they, like the rest of their democratic colleagues, are a bunch of wimps.

Publicly, the dems are right to tamp down impeachment talk until after they have at least read the redacted sections to confirm that there is nothing that would thwart their impeachment efforts and until they have heard directly from Mueller.

Pelosi's statement that she doesn't want to divide the nation is a dodge; the nation is already divided and there is nothing she can do to fix it other than to cut out the cancer that is feeding the division. Also, the notion that the dems don't want to waste time on impeachment when when they can be carrying out their policy agenda is makes no sense at all. What makes them think that a republican held senate will pass anything that furthers the dems' agenda or that president Trump will sign anything that furthers their agenda into law?

Nothing that the dems want to get done will get done until Trump is brought to justice and the CBC should take all deliberate steps to ensure that the dems' efforts in the House are properly focused on that goal.

#82 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-04-22 07:32 AM | Reply

Only because people like McGahn wouldn't follow Trump's orders.

In this sense, Trump attempted to obstruct, but failed. Keep in mind that the underlying crime that was being investigated (collusion conspiracy with Russia) didn't even exist. He was innocent of what he was being investigated for.

And your post is not how obstruction of justice works.

His investigation was unimpeded. His investigation was not obstructed.

The President is a criminal. Anyone defending him is obnoxious.

#62 | POSTED BY JOE

Obnoxious is not accepting the outcome of this report. Trump likely has plenty of criminality in his business dealings - Trump U the Trump Foundation, etc. He's NOT guilty of collusion with Russia and he's NOT guilty of obstructing the Mueller investigation. ------- deal with it.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-22 10:40 AM | Reply

he's (Trump) NOT guilty of obstructing the Mueller investigation. ------- deal with it.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019

He's guilty of trying, a crime.

Dealing with things is good advice.

#84 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-22 10:52 AM | Reply

His investigation was unimpeded. His investigation was not obstructed.

That isn't the standard for the crime of "obstruction of justice," genius. 18 U.S.C.A. 1512(c) criminalizes any attempt to obstruct, impede, or influence any official proceeding. There are other obstruction statutes which also apply to the president's conduct, but suffice it to say that the broadly applicable one cited above eviscerates your "argument."

he's NOT guilty of obstructing the Mueller investigation.

#85 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-22 11:07 AM | Reply

My reply was deleted...

I can tell you haven't read the report, Jeff. In the obstruction section, Mueller examines several distinct acts by the president and determines that many of them meet all elements of the crime of obstruction. He then kicks the matter to congress.

#86 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-22 11:10 AM | Reply

I read the summaries of both reports, Joe. In Volume II fast-forward to page 12...this was a man innocent of the crime he was being investigated for acting well within the powers enumerated to the office he holds.

If a half-assed attempt to obstruct an investigation into a crime that didn't exist is all you've got....

Putin's intent was to sow discord. Anyone pushing the narrative in light the report's findings is acting as Putin's stooge.

Congrats. You built that.

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-22 12:12 PM | Reply

If a half-assed attempt to obstruct an investigation into a crime that didn't exist is all you've got....

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-22 12:12 PM | Reply

You yourself have said several times that it isn't.

It was only half-assed at all because certain people ignored and defied him.

Attempted perversion of justice is attempted perversion of justice. I want Donald Trump to be held to the same standards a person like me and you would.

I also want Trump out of office before he can do more damage.

#88 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-22 12:22 PM | Reply

pushing the narrative

#87 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019

There's only the one narrative: Donald Trump is unfit for office and needs to leave.

There's only one political question of interest: How to best do that.

#89 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-22 12:24 PM | Reply

How to best do that.

#89 | POSTED BY ZED

Win 2020. Period. That is the best way and, at this point, the only way to do that. The only other avenue is assassination and I highly doubt that is something you'd support.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-22 12:37 PM | Reply

I read the summaries of both reports

Which explains why you are so ignorant of the report's contents.

this was a man innocent of the crime he was being investigated for

Not necessarily. On the issue of conspiracy, the report makes clear that the investigation was "materially impaired" by the repeated lies about coordination with Russia by several members of Trump's team.

If a half-assed attempt to obstruct an investigation into a crime that didn't exist is all you've got....

Attempted obstruction is a federal crime. If your only defense is to lie about the attempt being "half assed"...

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-22 12:53 PM | Reply

Here's what we know.

Russians interfered in our election, and wanted Trump to win.

Trump, his family, and his surrogates retweeted fake news stories generated by Russian social media accounts.

Russians criminally hacked the email accounts of American citizens. Trump openly encouraged this, and publicly delighted in the results.

When contacted by investigators about their connections to Russia, virtually every member of the Trump campaign lied to investigators. They also deleted relevant communications that might have helped investigators.

Trump committed several acts that satisfy every single element of obstruction of justice, which is a crime.

If you think this person should be president, you are an unpatriotic hack.

#92 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-22 01:17 PM | Reply

Which explains why you are so ignorant of the report's contents.

I wasn't referring to Barr's summary.

I read Mueller's summaries in both reports - Volume I and Volume II.

#93 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-22 01:17 PM | Reply

"the President took no act that in fact deprived the Special Counsel of the documents and witnesses to complete his investigation."

Given how prior administrations have dealt with being investigated, this is actually stunning, especially considering Trump.

#94 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-22 01:28 PM | Reply

"the President took no act that in fact deprived the Special Counsel of the documents and witnesses to complete his investigation."

If Mueller says that, I'll believe.

#95 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-22 01:40 PM | Reply

"the President took no act that in fact deprived the Special Counsel of the documents and witnesses to complete his investigation."

Everyone else around him did, to the point where the investigation was "materially harmed."

#96 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-22 01:42 PM | Reply

"the President took no act that in fact deprived the Special Counsel of the documents and witnesses to complete his investigation."

Did We Just Get Gaslighted By The Attorney General?

First, it's important to know that there are three things necessary to make a case for obstruction of justice: an intent to obstruct, knowledge that this obstruction is related to an actual investigation and "corrupt intent." Direct excerpts from Mueller's report clearly show corrupt intent, stating, for example, that various actions Trump took were to "protect himself from an investigation" or to "prevent further investigative scrutiny of the president's and his campaign's conduct" or to "deflect or prevent further scrutiny of the President's conduct towards the investigation."

Barr, however, blithely and globally ascribes "non-corrupt motives" to the president. From his press conference today: "Nonetheless, the White House fully cooperated with the Special Counsel's investigation, providing unfettered access to campaign and White House documents, directing senior aides to testify freely, and asserting no privilege claims. And at the same time, the President took no act that in fact deprived the Special Counsel of the documents and witnesses necessary to complete his investigation. Apart from whether the acts were obstructive, this evidence of non-corrupt motives weighs heavily against any allegation that the President had a corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation."

Barr's pseudo-logic goes like this: if the President did one thing properly and without corrupt motives (release documents, give witnesses "permission" to talk), then he has non-corrupt motives, so the instances of corrupt motives related to specific instances are ... .by definition also non-corrupt? Irrelevant? Not real? It may be the attack on our perceptions and sense of reality that's the most damaging to the national psyche.


www.forbes.com

#97 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-22 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#83 | Posted by JeffJ

Annotated heat map for 14 instances of obstruction, ends up a mixed bag. www.lawfareblog.com

#98 | Posted by et_al at 2019-04-22 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Looks like a whole lot of obstruction going on.

#99 | Posted by bored at 2019-04-22 03:35 PM | Reply

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