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Thursday, April 18, 2019

Yoni Appelbaum: The redacted version of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report released on Thursday runs 448 pages. But its most important implication can be summarized in a single sentence: There is sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump obstructed justice to merit impeachment hearings.

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"the report explained:

Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

ALSO related:

Aides refused to help efforts to obstruct

Mueller reports that because aides and advisers to Trump refused to "carry out orders," the President was prevented from influencing the special counsel's investigation.

Here's the relevant line: "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

Mueller says Congress can pursue investigation of Trump obstruction

Members of Congress will zero in on one critical section in Mueller's report. The special counsel provides a constitutional justification for its own investigation, but also points out that Congress can also apply obstruction laws in investigating and impeaching a sitting president.

Here's the relevant line in the report: "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

The report also cites Supreme Court precedent and the separation of powers to say "the Constitution does not categorically and permanently immunize a President for obstructing justice."

www.cnn.com

"Bad Mueller Report! Down, Boy!"

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Barbara McQuade (@BarbMcQuade), Professor at the University of Michigan Law School. She served as United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan and Co-Chair of the Terrorism and National Security Subcommittee of the Attorney General's Advisory Committee from 2010-2017.

She explains how the report could be used as "a roadmap for Congress" on potential impeachment proceedings.

The Mueller Report appears to be a roadmap for Congress to conduct impeachment proceedings as to obstruction of justice. The report explains that the special counsel believed that a sitting president could not be indicted, and that "fairness counseled against" concluding that President Trump committed crimes because he could not avail himself of the normal adversary process for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

Instead, Mueller decided to "preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available." The report does not say that the special counsel left it to the Attorney General to decide, as Barr indicated in his letter to Congress.

Instead, Mueller lays out 10 episodes of potential obstruction of justice, stating, "While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

This is not a tie or a tossup. This is a referral to Congress. Mueller did not recommend charges because he did not believe it was his role to do so."

www.justsecurity.org

Five-finger discount... quote lifted from Gal's important thread quoting legal experts here:

www.drudge.com

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

President Bucket of ---- will not be impeached.

Senator McConnell is bragging about disenfranchising a Democratic President.

You think Pelosi has the balls to impeach President Bucket of ---- knowing McConnell will do nothing?

Hardly.

Despite it working to Republican advantage in 2000 after Clinton was impeached.

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-04-18 08:46 PM | Reply

...d'uh.
Trump could and should have been impeached before "Mueller."
what a joke.

it isn't "socialism" or "capitalism" that is the proceding threat to America and to democracy.
it's the lawless plutocratic mob and its co-conspirator minions.

#4 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-04-18 10:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Pelosi wants Trump in the Presidency in 2020.

#5 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-19 01:06 AM | Reply

Trump failed at obstruction because his aides refused to carry out orders, Mueller finds

Had President Donald Trump been left to his own devices, the findings in special counsel Robert Mueller's report released Thursday would have likely been far more damning for him.

Instead, the Mueller report makes clear, Trump's "efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful" -- but only "largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

www.nbcnews.com

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-19 02:36 AM | Reply

Do not bother to impeach this traitor. The best way to shut him up forever is to vote him out.

Just use the report as intended. A guide to call every person mentioned to Congress to testify.

Because they got some Splaining to do!!

After about a year and a half of that on the tv every night America will be sick of Trump and will kick him to the curb. And then Trump can spend the rest of life defending his criminal actions in court.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 08:03 AM | Reply

The Democrats got nothing. I say bring it.

#8 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 08:05 AM | Reply

The Democrats will do nothing, except whine and cry for ANOTHER year and a half about the Mueller Report. Then they will lose the 2020 election because the party splits over trying to impeach Trump, and they again will wonder why they never learned anything from 2016.

#9 | Posted by Spork at 2019-04-19 08:18 AM | Reply

they again will wonder why they never learned anything from 2016.

#9 | Posted by Spork at 2019-04-19 08:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

I don't know about "Democrats", SPORK. But I've learned a lot from 2016 and I've learned a lot from you.

I sincerely think I might even get to understand people like you if you were only a little more honest about what you think and feel, and especially what your fantasies are. That won't happen. You guys camouflage yourself with ---- just like Trump. This is NOT a coincidence.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:22 AM | Reply

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Hahahahaha.

Yeah, Mueller was obstructed, but didn't mention it.

Oh, wait, that was blacked out according to US legal standards. Trump needs to switch us to Russian legal standards.

God you guys crack me up.

#11 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-04-19 08:25 AM | Reply

The Democrats got nothing.

#8 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 08:05

I know you people well enough to expect this sort of statement.

I've spent the last ten hours reading the Mueller Report. Guess what? It says you are a liar and a fool.

I don't know if Donald Trump will be impeached. That would be nice, good for the country.

But whether the man stays or goes he is the president of liars and fools, and my friend you fit right in.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Democrats got nothing. I say bring it.

#8 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

The Democrats have EVERYTHING.

And they will bring it.

Here is a little thought experiment for you.

What do you think would have happened if this report was the end of an investigation against Obama??

Could you just imagine a sweaty Gowdy waving this report in his hands and screaming for Obama's head on a platter and how it would have been used against Obama?? It would have been his Waterloo!!

You would ALL be screaming at the top of your voices about how corrupt Obama was and would be demanding Obama's impeachment. Fixed News would be freaking apoplectic.

The cacophony from the loonie bin would be deafening.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 08:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But I've learned a lot from 2016 and I've learned a lot from you.

You obviously haven't, as your comments continue to border on the hysterical. But I am a patient teacher, grasshopper.

#14 | Posted by Spork at 2019-04-19 08:27 AM | Reply

God you guys crack me up.

#11 | Posted by HeliumRat at 201

You're not laughing. You're doing something else. Maybe squeezing a kitten to see how you can suffocate it.

Mueller's Report didn't give us a silver bullet, and that's sad. It did provide silver ingots if someone wants to make bullets.

It also painted a dismal, dangerous, sad, corrupt picture of the current president of the United States and his Executive. If you loved this country, and I really doubt that you do, this is what you would be talking about.

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's try an experiment, SPORK. Did the Mueller Report establish beyond doubt that the Russians interfered and tried to interfere in the 2016 Presidential election on behalf of Donald Trump?

Since you seem right here with me, a quick response is appreciated.

#16 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

God you guys crack me up.

#11 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

arent you embarrassed about how wrong you were about the Russians interfering in out elections??

Have you read the report ??

Did you see the part about Russia's interference??

Did you read the instances of repeated contacts with Russia??

Did you read the part about all the instances of obstruction of justice??

All.

Clearly documented.

For all history.

You don't crack me up.

You kind of disgust me.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 08:32 AM | Reply

Quick responses don't seem to be your forte, SPORK. How much more time are you going to need?

#18 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:34 AM | Reply

SPORK?

Void your bowels so that we know you're alive.

#19 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

How much more time are you going to need?

#18 | POSTED BY ZED

Well. You did ask him to think. That may take a while. Hannity doesn't come on Trumpster TV until later tonight.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 08:40 AM | Reply

Ongoing investigations of Trump:

Federal US Attorneys:

- D.C.
- Northern District of Virginia
- Southern District of New York
- Federal prosecutors in multiple offices: Trump Campaign Fund investigation

State AG of New York:

- The Trump Foundation
- Real estate deals

The New York state tax department:

- Trump tax schemes

Trump's golf club employing undocumented immigrants:

- Multiple agencies

Attorneys general of Maryland and Washington D.C.:

- The emoluments lawsuit

Lawsuits:

- Michael Cohen's legal fees
- Summer Zervos defamation suit

Congressional investigations:

- House Intelligence Committee
- House Judiciary Committee
- House Oversight Committee
- House Financial Services Committee
- House Ways and Means Committee
- House Foreign Affairs Committee
- Senate Intelligence Committee

time.com

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-19 08:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So you see, SPORK, you are a dishonest coward.

This, interestingly, is the essential fact about Donald Trump.

I know you understand why so many people dislike him, and you. This little exchange underscores that.

But you won't admit your understanding because....

You are a dishonest coward.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump failed at obstruction because his aides refused to carry out orders, Mueller finds

AG Jeff Sessions and White House counsel Don McGahn were among those who undermined the president, the special counsel said.

#23 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-19 08:43 AM | Reply

Re #21

NEWSWORTHY

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 08:44 AM | Reply

And, by the way, SPORK. You didn't fail the experiment, you proved it. You behaved exactly the way I knew and expected that you would. It's because I know people like you so well that you disgust and frighten me.

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 08:44 AM | Reply

Mueller's report is clear in pointing to Congress' responsibility in investigating obstruction of justice by the president," tweeted Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.). "As such, I'll be signing onto Rashida Tlaib's impeachment resolution."

Formally introduced last month, Tlaib's resolution directs the House Judiciary Committee to immediately begin investigating whether Trump "committed impeachable offenses."

#26 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-19 08:45 AM | Reply

Trump committed a crime, multiple times. The crime is attempted obstruction of justice. That he wasn't successful is not an exoneration. It is an indictment that he his guilty by law.

Stop letting people tell you "Trump was unsuccessful, so therefore he didn't obstruct". The law is clear. Trump is guilty of attempted obstruction of justice based on 18 USC 1505.

#27 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-19 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Looks like Dirty Donnie finally realizes the "Crazy Mueller Report" doesn't totally exonerate him:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Statements are made about me by certain people in the Crazy Mueller Report, in itself written by 18 Angry Democrat Trump Haters, which are fabricated & totally untrue. Watch out for people that take so-called "notes," when the notes never existed until needed. Because I never....
4:53 AM - 19 Apr 2019

..agreed to testify, it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the "Report" about me, some of which are total -------- & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad). This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened, a...
5:08 AM - 19 Apr 2019

So far he hasn't come back to finish that second tweet.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 10:07 AM | Reply

Stop letting people tell you "Trump was unsuccessful, so therefore he didn't obstruct". The law is clear. Trump is guilty of attempted obstruction of justice based on 18 USC 1505.

#27 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Did you read the report summary for volume II?

Go to page 12. He didn't obstruct justice. Everything he did was well within his enumerated powers. Did he abuse said powers? Not really. At the end of the day Mueller's investigation was unhampered. That's ultimately what matters here.

Keep in mind the fact that the investigation was ostensibly about conspiracy collusion with Russia. Volume I completely and unequivocally exonerated Team Trump on that. So, at worst, he made a couple of half-ass attempts to tamper an investigation into a crime that didn't exist.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-19 10:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Here's the bottom line...if anything, the summary of this report will likely push Democrats further away from pursuing impeachment.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-19 10:20 AM | Reply

Mueller Report: "If we had confidence ... that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state... . [W]e are unable to reach that judgement. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Read IV Conclusion here:

www.newsday.com

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 10:31 AM | Reply

The closest he came to actual obstruction was to give a directive to an aide, who didn't carry out the directive and then Trump didn't follow up.

If you want to try and bring Trump down on criminality, go after his business dealings. Hard. Trump U and the Trump Foundation are clear indicators that his business empire was built, at least in part, on criminality.

Keep harping on the Mueller report when there really isn't much there will only create a 'Boy Who Cried Wolf!' scenario when true criminality comes to light.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-19 10:35 AM | Reply

#31

I downloaded the PDF and read the summaries (plus the introductions) of both Volume I and Volume II yesterday.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-19 10:36 AM | Reply

#33 Then read Volume 2, page 8.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 10:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

.if anything, the summary of this report will likely push Democrats further away from pursuing impeachment.
#30 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I feels ya JeffJ, but were aren't dealing with rational people ...

We have known this since the election.

Remember this is the same group that said we "must accept the election results", then when that failed "we must accept Mueller's report" ...

Good times...
aa
Its a never ending whine fest when they don't get their way, impeachment attempt is coming, I Guaraaaunteee (JustinWilson) .

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-19 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mueller Hints at a National-Security Nightmare

The missing piece of the report is a counterintelligence investigation that should set off alarm bells about our democracy and security.

www.nytimes.com

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 10:47 AM | Reply

"The closest he came to actual obstruction was to give a directive to an aide, who didn't carry out the directive and then Trump didn't follow up. "

"Mueller report unable to conclude 'no criminal conduct occurred' on obstruction"

www.cnn.com

Criminal conduct occurred but Mueller expects Congress to do their job and use impeachment if they want Trump to face justice. They are the only body than has the power to charge a sitting President. It's in the Constitution.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 10:52 AM | Reply

"Mueller wrote he accepted the Justice Department opinion that a sitting President cannot be indicted. But the special counsel report rejected the Trump team's legal argument that a President cannot commit obstruction of justice, leaving the door open for Congress to continue to investigate Trump.
"With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice," the report says."

www.cnn.com

#38 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 10:55 AM | Reply

"Go to page 12. He didn't obstruct justice. Everything he did was well within his enumerated powers. Did he abuse said powers? Not really. At the end of the day Mueller's investigation was unhampered. That's ultimately what matters here. "

False:

Mueller also said he faced several significant obstacles in investigating the underlying crime of conspiracy, such as lack of cooperation from some witnesses, false or incomplete statements, deleted communications and encrypted information.

"Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report," the report concludes.


"Keep in mind the fact that the investigation was ostensibly about conspiracy collusion with Russia. Volume I completely and unequivocally exonerated Team Trump on that. So, at worst, he made a couple of half-ass attempts to tamper an investigation into a crime that didn't exist."

There doesn't have to be an underlying crime for someone to commit obstruction of justice:

Mueller noted that an underlying crime isn't necessary to prove obstruction of justice, saying people might have reasons to obstruct justice that don't involve underlying crimes.

"The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong," the report says.


www.yahoo.com

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 10:58 AM | Reply

Impeach or get off the pot, crybabies.

#40 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-19 11:03 AM | Reply

#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Some of what Trunp did was covered by his enumerated powers. However, having the authority to take an action does not negate that action being taken as an attempt to obstruct justice. It muddies the water on proving obstruction because of the issue with underlying intent. It does not exonerate Trump for doing so. There is a pattern of behavior shown proving Trump was attempting to obstruct the investigation.

#41 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-19 11:03 AM | Reply

""Go to page 12. He didn't obstruct justice. Everything he did was well within his enumerated powers."

""With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice," the report says."

I'll take Mueller's opinion over yours Jeff.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 11:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Impeach or get off the pot, crybabies."

Such hypocrites. If the tables were turned and this report was about HRC instead of DJT, there would be GOP screams for impeachment along with weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Seems to me that we wouldn't be having this discussion had Trump not obstructed justice by refusing to testify under oath.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 11:09 AM | Reply

"Impeach or get off the pot, crybabies."

What Gal said tells it like it is.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 11:10 AM | Reply

"MICHAEL COHEN SAYS HE WILL 'TELL IT ALL' TO HELP FILL IN MUELLER REPORT REDACTIONS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE"

www.newsweek.com

I say YAY!

#46 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 11:13 AM | Reply

-- If the tables were turned and this report was about HRC...

I would say the same thing. Do your job! Abide by your oath of office which obligates you to attempt to remove a president you think is a criminal and/or traitor. Win or lose, it's the principled thing to do.

Impeach now!

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-19 11:16 AM | Reply

I strongly urge the Democrats to continue on this path all the way to impeachment. I think it would be disastrous for them. MAGA.

#48 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 11:27 AM | Reply

"Impeach now!"

First things first. Nadler is subpoenaing for the full report. It's important for some folks in Congress at least to know what the 12 redacted cases that were forwarded to other jurisdictions are. Do any of them, e.g., involve Trump himself? If so, for what sort of crimes? In addition, various House committees are going after things like Trump's tax returns and Deutsche Bank interactions. Let the Dems get all this information in hand as well having the Gang of 8 briefed on the CI investigation, which Mueller's report doesn't touch upon, before trying to impeach Trump. IOW, let the Dems in Congress get all their ducks in a row before they take the impeachment step. If they are going to go after Trump for crimes and misdemeanors, they might as well have all of them in line. For now though, they must continue to investigate, bring Mueller and his team in to be interviewed at a hearing. Wray and Rosenstein too. I wouldn't bother with Barr unless they want to get him under oath again now that people have read Mueller's report.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ongoing investigations of Trump:

Federal US Attorneys:

- D.C.
- Northern District of Virginia
- Southern District of New York
- Federal prosecutors in multiple offices: Trump Campaign Fund investigation

State AG of New York:

- The Trump Foundation
- Real estate deals

The New York state tax department:

- Trump tax schemes

Trump's golf club employing undocumented immigrants:

- Multiple agencies

Attorneys general of Maryland and Washington D.C.:

- The emoluments lawsuit

Lawsuits:

- Michael Cohen's legal fees
- Summer Zervos defamation suit

Congressional investigations:

- House Intelligence Committee
- House Judiciary Committee
- House Oversight Committee
- House Financial Services Committee
- House Ways and Means Committee
- House Foreign Affairs Committee
- Senate Intelligence Committee
time.com

#21 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

The Orange Skidmark was right for once, "He's f*cked!"

#50 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-19 11:40 AM | Reply

Here's the bottom line...if anything, the summary of this report will likely push Democrats further away from pursuing impeachment.- #30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-19 10:20 AM
Stop trying to ruin the narrative for them, JeffJ. They'll just ignore you when they should instead listen to the knowledgeable and reasonable elected Democrats like House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. after the report was released : "Based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point," he said. "Very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the American people will make a judgement."

#51 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-19 11:40 AM | Reply

- Crazy Mueller Report

How quickly the Donnie Worm Turns... and the Dulli Troll with him.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-19 11:43 AM | Reply

The problem with that idea Gal is we will be in the 2020 elections before all of that comes together. Trump is going to go to court on every subpoena, etc. I believe that the impeachment investigation itself will reveal so much more information which is unavalable now that Trump will emerge from the House impeachment in shambles even if the Senate refuses to convict which I'm not absolutely certain of because if the crimes are egregious enough they would virtually be forced to convict him for their own political futures.

#53 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 11:48 AM | Reply

They'll just ignore you when they should instead listen to the knowledgeable and reasonable elected Democrats like House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. after the report was released : "Based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point," he said. "Very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the American people will make a judgement."

He later said this:

Steny Hoyer @LeaderHoyer

Congress must have the full report & all underlying evidence in order to determine what actions may be necessary to ensure that the Congress & the American people have all the info they need to know the truth & all options ought to remain on the table to achieve that objective.
5:54 PM - 18 Apr 2019

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 11:49 AM | Reply

#53 Good points, Danni, and I don't disagree with any of them. I think there is a little time, but not a lot, for the Dems to take the next few concrete steps before launching a full scale impeachment investigation.

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 11:52 AM | Reply

"They'll just ignore you when they should instead listen to the knowledgeable and reasonable elected Democrats like House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer,"

No, we'll keep pointing out Jeff's factually wrong posts. As far as impeachment, if we don't impeach Trump for all he's done, and it isn't limited to what is in the Mueller report by a long shot, then we should just admit that impeachment is only something Republicans can do. If George Washington was like Steny Hoyer we'd still be a colony of Great Britain. We should have impeached Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2, it's time to let Republicans know that the same laws apply to them as to Democrats.

#56 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 11:55 AM | Reply

"Congress must have the full report & all underlying evidence in order to determine what actions may be necessary to ensure that the Congress & the American people have all the info they need to know the truth & all options ought to remain on the table to achieve that objective."

And they would be in a much stronger position to demand it when they hold impeachment hearings.

#57 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 11:55 AM | Reply

I'd really like to know what all the Democratic presidential candidates think about impeachment because they are going to be out there on the campaign trail, participating in debates and eventually primary contests while all of this is potentially unfolding. It would be nice to know that all, or at least most, of them were on board with the process and would themselves speak to the need to impeach a compromised and corrupt President.

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 11:58 AM | Reply

" It would be nice to know that all, or at least most, of them were on board with the process and would themselves speak to the need to impeach a compromised and corrupt President."

I agree, now is not a time for fence sitting nor is it a time to just go along with the Speaker. I remember when "impeachment is off the table" for Bush which, IMHO, was a terrible mistake. No President should get to lie us into a war and get away with it.

#59 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-19 12:01 PM | Reply

One thing I've been wondering about: there is not mention in Mueller's report regarding Cambridge Analytica, and yet we know Mueller interviewed former employees of CA during his investigation. Could information related to those interviews be in the classified CI investigation and not in the criminal one Mueller's report outlines? Or could that info be in one of the reports redacted and referred cases? If he found nothing there with regard to CA, I'm surprised his report didn't indicate that.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 12:03 PM | Reply

This:

No, Mueller did not find a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, and no, he did not conclude that President Trump had obstructed justice. But Mueller emphatically did not find that there had been "no collusion" either. Indeed, he described in page after damning page a dramatic pattern of Russian outreach to figures close to the president, including to Trump's campaign and his business; Mueller described receptivity to this outreach on the part of those figures; he described a positive eagerness on the part of the Trump campaign to benefit from illegal Russian activity and that of its cutouts; he described serial lies about it all. And he described as well a pattern of behavior on the part of the president in his interactions with law enforcement that is simply incompatible with the president's duty to "take care" that the laws are "faithfully executed" -- a pattern Mueller explicitly declined to conclude did not obstruct justice.

#61 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-04-19 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

1. if president.party == 'REPUBLICAN':
2. print("Impeach now!"
3. else:
4. print("S'All good man.")

#62 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 12:26 PM | Reply

Impeach or get off the pot, crybabies.

#40 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

No. We won't do what you want.

Reverse psychology won't work either.

But the investigations will continue until morale improves.

Enjoy the ---- show.

Humpy and you deplorables built that.

#63 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 12:26 PM | Reply

a pattern Mueller explicitly declined to conclude did not obstruct justice.
#61 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

This may be where the misinformation begins.

Mueller was NEVER tasked with making any conclusions.

That is up to Congress and should be up to Congress.

It should not be up to ANY political appointees.

Period. Full stop. 🛑

A Full Release is always the Best Release!

#64 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 12:30 PM | Reply

1. if president.party == 'REPUBLICAN':
2. print("Impeach now!"
3. else:
4. print("S'All good man.")
#62 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

From the Party that impeached Clinton for a BJ.

#65 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-19 01:07 PM | Reply

1. if president.party == 'REPUBLICAN':
2. print("Impeach now!"
3. else:
4. print("S'All good man.")

#62 | Posted by visitor_

Yeah that's it. Dems impeach all repubs. Dubya, his dad, reagan, all of them. Right dum dum?

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 01:15 PM | Reply

How recently were you born? Do you have memory problems? Have you read any of Danni's posts about Republicans?

#67 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 01:25 PM | Reply

How recently were you born? Do you have memory problems? Have you read any of Danni's posts about Republicans?

#67 | Posted by visitor_

You must be under 11 years old if you dont recall CONGRESSIONAL republicans calling for obama's impeachment a month after he was elected. Care to google what they wanted to impeach him for?

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 01:51 PM | Reply

1. if president.party != me.party:
2. print("Impeach now!"
3. else:
4. print("S'All good man.")

Is that better?

#69 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 02:30 PM | Reply

Is that better?

#69 | Posted by visitor_

Warmer. Except you're still intentionally omitting that dems impeach repubs for crimes. Repubs impeach dems for -------- or being a minority.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 02:45 PM | Reply

Except you're still intentionally omitting that dems impeach repubs for crimes. Repubs impeach dems for -------- or being a minority. - #70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 02:45 PM
I'm not sure why you are trying to remake history or who you are trying to mislead, but no republicans have ever been impeached, only Democrats.

#71 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-19 02:53 PM | Reply

...but no republicans have ever been impeached

That's true. Tricky Dick did cut and run.

#72 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-19 02:55 PM | Reply

I'm not sure why you are trying to remake history or who you are trying to mislead, but no republicans have ever been impeached, only Democrats.

#71 | Posted by Avigdore

Nixon ran away first. If trump is impeached it will be for obstruction - a crime.

Clinton was impeached because he lied about a -------.

Congressional republicans wanted to impeach obama for being black one month into his presidency.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:07 PM | Reply

Clinton was impeached because he lied about a -------. - #73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:07 PM
That lie was an attempt to obstruct justice and it was perjury.
"The impeachment of Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was initiated in December 1998 by the House of Representatives and led to a trial in the Senate on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice."
en.wikipedia.org

Were you just ignorant of reality or were you trying to intentionally mislead people?

#74 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-19 03:20 PM | Reply

Congressional republicans wanted to impeach obama for being black one month into his presidency. -#73 Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:07 PM
Ah, ok so you're just lying. Not surprised.

#75 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-19 03:21 PM | Reply

...and led to a trial in the Senate on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice."

And he was convicted of neither. Swing and a miss (x2).

#76 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-19 03:30 PM | Reply

Were you just ignorant of reality or were you trying to intentionally mislead people?

#74 | Posted by Avigdore

I aknowledged it. He lied. That's perjury. But lying about a ------- is not something reasonable people expect impeachment for.

Lying about receiving help from our enemies to get elected is.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:54 PM | Reply

A Brief History of GOP Calls for Obama's Impeachment
www.theatlantic.com

In 2010, Rep. Darrell Issa said Obama could face impeachment after Rep. Joe Sestak claimed the White House offered him a job to prevent him from challenging Arlen Specter in a primary.
In 2011, Rep. Michael Burgess told a local Tea Party group that Obama's impeachment "needs to happen," without specifying why.
In 2012, Sen. Jon Kyl said "impeachment is always a possibility" over Obama's immigration policies.
Last May, Rep. Jason Chaffetz said he was not pushing for impeachment, but didn't rule out that Obama could be kicked out of office over the Benghazi affair.
In 2013, Sen. Tom Coburn told the audience at a town-hall meeting that Obama was getting "perilously close" to qualifying for impeachment. Coburn's fellow Oklahoma senator, James Inhofe, agreed.
In 2013, Rep. Kerry Bentivolio said his legislative dream would be to impeach Obama.
During the debt-ceiling crisis, Rep. Louie Gohmert told an interviewer that defaulting on the U.S. government's debt would be an "impeachable offense."
While Sen. Ted Cruz has demurred on calls for Obama's impeachment in the past, but has called it "a good question" and "a question for the House to assess."

But obstructing justice and taking help from out enemies to get elected? Nope not impeachable is it?

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 04:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From wikipedia:

In December 2016, Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren, Dick Durbin, Chris -----, Ben Cardin and Jeff Merkley introduced a bill that would require the President of the United States to divest any assets that could raise a conflict of interest, including a statement that the failure to divest such assets would constitute high crimes and misdemeanors "under the impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution.

That's more proactive than a maybe or should be looked into.

#79 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 04:28 PM | Reply

" It would be nice to know that all, or at least most, of them were on board with the process and would themselves speak to the need to impeach a compromised and corrupt President."

MSNBC @MSNBC

JUST IN: Citing details from the Mueller report, 2020 presidential candidate Sen. Warren calls for the US House to initiate impeachment proceedings against President Trump

Sen. Warren on her decision to call for the House to begin impeachment proceedings:

"The severity of this misconduct demands that elected officials in both parties set aside political considerations and do their constitutional duty."


Elizabeth Warren @ewarren

The Mueller report lays out facts showing that a hostile foreign government attacked our 2016 election to help Donald Trump and Donald Trump welcomed that help. Once elected, Donald Trump obstructed the investigation into that attack.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A Brief History of GOP Calls for Obama's Impeachment - #78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 04:00 PM
You forgot to list the one where they "wanted to impeach obama for being black one month into his presidency." You know, the one that would make you anything other than a liar.

#81 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-19 04:33 PM | Reply

The Mueller report lays out facts showing that a hostile foreign government attacked our 2016 election to help Donald Trump and Donald Trump welcomed that help. Once elected, Donald Trump obstructed the investigation into that attack.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

And has done nothing since to ensure it won't happen again.

Remember how the right mocked Obama when he gave the stink eye to Putin? THAT's what you do to adversaries who commit egregious acts, not stand beside them and state you believe them over our own American intelligence services and shower them with valentines.

#82 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-19 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Has anyone noticed that the PDF version of the Mueller Report, which was released by the DOJ, is NOT searchable? It appears to be a scanned copy of a printed version of the report. This makes the file much larger than it needs to be as well as impossible to use any sort of search tool. It's been reported that this was done as it was the safest way to make sure that the redactions stay redacted. That's not true of course since there are PDF tools which will make all redacted content totally unreadable, no matter what anyone might try to circumvent the redaction process. However, it does make it very difficult for people to look for specific content or passages, which will only slow researchers and could lead to future problems if people attempt to use OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software and it proves to be less than 100% error free.

OCU

#83 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-04-19 07:01 PM | Reply

Impeach 45. Russia! Like emoluments. Also the tax cut for the rich. Attempted obstruction of justice for crimes that could have occurred. Impeeeeeeach!

#84 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-04-20 08:03 AM | Reply

Impeach 45. Russia! Like emoluments. Also the tax cut for the rich. Attempted obstruction of justice for crimes that could have occurred. Impeeeeeeach!

#84 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2019-04-20 08:03 AM | Reply |

One thing I've come to understand is why the smirking face of Pepe the Frog is a symbol of the Alt Right.

#85 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-20 08:23 AM | Reply

BTW, I finally found a downloadable and fully searchable PDF version of the Mueller Report:

www.washingtonian.com

Also note that it's much smaller, 41 MB versus 151 MB for the scanned PDF version of the report.

OCU

#86 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-04-20 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dems: must accept election results
Trump: wins election
Dems: Trump colluded with Russians
Trump: I didn't collude
Dems: Wait for Mueller
Mueller: Trump didn't collude
Dems: Wait for full report
Full report: Trump didn't collude
Dems: Impeach Trump

2020 is a guaranteed landslide

#87 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-20 06:04 PM | Reply

#87 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

I think everyone here has learned to take your guarantees with a heaping spoon of salt.

#88 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-20 06:10 PM | Reply

Actually Trump and his people DID collude. What Mueller couldn't prove was whether it reached the level of being a criminal conspiracy or not. And the report states that evidence was destroyed and that people lied, so if he had been able to get at the facts, they might have been able to prove conspiracy. Besides, while you have to prove a crime to indict, you do NOT have to prove any criminal acts to impeach. Impeachment is a political, not a legal, approach to solving a problem.

OCU

#89 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-04-20 09:21 PM | Reply

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