Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, April 18, 2019

Page 290 of the Mueller Report: The Appointment of the Special Counsel and the President 's Reaction On May 17, 2017, Acting Attorney General Rosenstein appointed Robert S. Mueller, ITTas Special Counsel and authorized him to conduct the Russia investigation and matters that arose from the investigation .501 The President learned of the Special Counsel's appointment from Sessions, who was with the President, Hunt, and McGahn conducting interviews for a new FBI Director. 502 Sessions stepped out of the Oval Office to take a call from Rosenstein, who told him about the Special Counsel appointment, and Sessions then returned to inform the President of the news. 503 According to notes written by Hunt , when Sessions told the President that a Special Counsel had been appointed, the President slumped back in his chair and said, "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I' m f-----." 504 The President became angry and lambasted the Attorney General for his decision to recuse from the investigation , stating, "How could you let this happen, Jeff?" 505 The President said the position of Attorney General was his most important appointment and that Sessions had " let [him] down ," contrasting him to Eric Holder and Robert Kennedy. 506 Sessions recalled that the President said to him , "you were supposed to protect me," or words to that effect. 507 The President returned to the consequences of the appointment and said, "Everyone tells me if you get one of these indep endent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won 't be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me."

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Mueller Report: "Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgement, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgement. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgement. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. "

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Let the lies begin!

#1 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 09:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Delivered on Maundy Thursday because, you know, God sent Trump to save America.

What is Maundy Thursday?:

www.gotquestions.org

Don't forget Trump likes to "Drink my little wine, have my little cracker":

www.msn.com

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 09:43 AM | Reply

NO Collusion!

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 09:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Trump; 'I welcome the report. It will vindicate me'.
Fishpaw; 'just wait until that report comes out, all will be right in the world'

--later--

Trump; 'That report is full of lies and who needs it?'
Fishpaw; 'what report?'

disclaimer; for the purposes of this illustration, karenpaw is representative all the dotardians.

#4 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-18 09:46 AM | Reply

Rosenstein looks like a deer in the headlights.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 09:53 AM | Reply

Bar is still refusing to release grand jury information to Congress.

#6 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 09:53 AM | Reply

Barr gave a strong, clear defence of Team Trump on Russia but he did a verbal dance right around the obstruction issue. Sounds like Mueller team is saying multiple acts of obstruction was committed but the ultimate decision on whether the government can take action against a President.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-04-18 09:56 AM | Reply

One last blast from the collusion crack pipe. Unfortunately, the first hit wasn't free.

#8 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 09:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Let the lies begin!

Let the hysteria about "cover-up" begin, er, continue.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

MSNBC is going rabid right now. Totally Partisan.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 10:00 AM | Reply

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Limited redactions, and zero executive privilege redactions.

#11 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:02 AM | Reply

Let the hysteria about "cover-up" begin, er, continue.

#9 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Let the wing-ding confusion about what is 'political' and what is 'legal' continue.

Our legal system has no directive to make decisions based on Trump's polling numbers.

Throw Trump in jail!

#12 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-18 10:03 AM | Reply

It comes down to whether or not Congress is willing to do its job of impeachment, they were secretly hoping Mueller would do it for them. He produced his report but they will have to act but they are, for the most part, too cowardly. Trump gains from this report because the evidence is laid out but the cowards won't do anything about it so he rules with total impunity.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 10:04 AM | Reply

FOX NEWS is going rabid right now. Totally Partisan.

#10 | POSTED BY BOAZ

FTFY, Mr. nominal 'Moderate'.

#14 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-18 10:05 AM | Reply

"Limited redactions, and zero executive privilege redactions."

Barr got to decide what the redactions would be attributed to, he's a proven liar in his defense of two previous Presidents yet you still believe everything he says. That's just dumb. He's a Presidential Fixer, called in when a Republican President gets into trouble.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 10:06 AM | Reply

He produced his report but they will have to act but they are, for the most part, too cowardly.

For the millionth time, there's nothing to act on.

Trump gains from this report because the evidence is laid out but the cowards won't do anything about it so he rules with total impunity.

There's nothing to act on.

#16 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Barr got to decide what the redactions would be attributed to, he's a proven liar in his defense of two previous Presidents yet you still believe everything he says. That's just dumb.

Mueller's team participated in the redactions.

Literally everything you've said about the Barr's release of the report has been wrong. Not that that has stopped you before...

#17 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"There's nothing to act on."

You haven't read even the redacted report.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 10:11 AM | Reply

You haven't read even the redacted report.

You ignore Mueller's statements.

Is Mueller's team lying? No, they aren't.

#19 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Mueller's team participated in the redactions."

I'd like to hear that from Mueller, some of his staff have already spoken out about the mischaracterization of the report by Barr. You see only what you want to see.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 10:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There's nothing to act on.

#16 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

I'm sure his meetings with members of the russian mafia were just to exchange cookie recipes.

#21 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-18 10:12 AM | Reply

"Instead, the report recounts 10 episodes involving the President and discusses potential legal theories for connecting these actions to elements of an obstruction offense."

Posted by rcade at 09:30 AM | 18 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment

Mueller intended his findings to be evaluated by Congress.

#22 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

GAME OVER!

#23 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 10:13 AM | Reply

"Is Mueller's team lying? No, they aren't."

"Some on Mueller's Team Say Report Was More Damaging Than Barr Revealed"

www.nytimes.com

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Oh no! My lib neighbor just jumped off his roof while cursing Muleman.

#25 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-04-18 10:14 AM | Reply

twitter.com

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 10:14 AM | Reply

I'd like to hear that from Mueller, some of his staff have already spoken out about the mischaracterization of the report by Barr.

No you wouldn't. You're never letting go of this BS.

#27 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Is Mueller's team lying? No, they aren't.

#19 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

No one who supports Donald Trump is interested in, or alarmed by, lies.

As for the rest of us, I agree with DANNI. Let's get Mueller and his team under oath and get their testimony directly.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're never letting go of this BS.

#27 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at

If Barr and people like you didn't seem so eager to cover it all up it would be a lot easier to let go of it.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:15 AM | Reply

There's nothing to act on.

#16 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

This is what I mean. You haven't seen any God-damned thing yet.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You're never letting go of this BS."

Um.....Benghazziiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!

Nuf said.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 10:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

If Barr and people like you didn't seem so eager to cover it all up it would be a lot easier to let go of it.

You are truly insane from Trump Derangement. Barr is doing exactly what he said since day one. The report is to be released in mid-April, and that's exactly what happened.

#32 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This is what I mean. You haven't seen any God-damned thing yet.

I have Mueller's statement. You just make things up.

#33 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Barr is doing exactly what he said since day one"

What? Make a mess of an issue vital to the United States?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:20 AM | Reply

I have Mueller's statement. You just make things up.

#33 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18

What statement is that? As of this morning he wasn't even going to attend the "press conference".

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Beyond which, what we really need Mueller's Full Report, in addition to his sworn testimony.

You want this to go away, then work a little so we can see that you're serious.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:23 AM | Reply

What? Make a mess of an issue vital to the United States?

Make a mess? What are you talking about? Mueller's team involved. Limited redactions. No executive redactions.

That's exactly what you're going to see and you're still going to call it a cover-up exclusively through the hobgoblins of your mind.

#37 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:24 AM | Reply

Trump has been exonerated. The Deep State on behalf of Obama, Hillary and the Democrat Party took a swing at the king and missed. Now it's Trump's turn and I hope he brings out the long knives.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 10:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Redactions cover up Red Actions.

#39 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#37 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019

I note that you didn't respond to my question, "What (Mueller) statement"?

I'm a smart fellow. Give me the link and I look at it for myself.

#40 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:25 AM | Reply

--zero executive privilege redactions.

That's just a clever trick!

--Hystericrats

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 10:26 AM | Reply

Trump has been exonerated.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019

The Report's not even been released yet.

You haven't seen a God-damned thing.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:27 AM | Reply

Beyond which, what we really need Mueller's Full Report, in addition to his sworn testimony.

It still won't be enough for you. Nothing will ever be enough for someone who believes that Mueller's report has a smoking gun, yet Mueller is letting his and his team's entire professional career get dragged to cover up an investigation that he conducted. Biblical levels of stupidity.

#43 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Now it's Trump's turn and I hope he brings out the long knives.

#38 | Posted by visitor

Do you realize what historical connotations that has?

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It still won't be enough for you.

#43 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019

Trump and Barr can either do a complete job on this thing or suffer whatever legitimate suspicions flow from their lack.

#45 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:29 AM | Reply

Biblical levels of stupidity.

#43 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-04-18 10:27 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

What would be stupid is Congress not getting the full un-redacted report.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:30 AM | Reply

Trump; 'That report is full of lies and who needs it?'
Fishpaw; 'what report?'
disclaimer; for the purposes of this illustration, karenpaw is representative all the dotardians.
#4 | POSTED BY KUDZU AT 2019-04-18 09:46 AM | FLAG:

This is about as accurate as you saying you are an independant.

#47 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-18 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump and Barr can either do a complete job on this thing or suffer whatever legitimate suspicions flow from their lack.
#45 | POSTED BY ZED

When is it complete?

What do you need? What do you want?

The answer is you want Trump in jail, you don't care about the reason. You only have illegitimate suspicions.

Do you realize what historical connotations that has?

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-18 10:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

BEN, this is what's frustrating about Trump supporters, although I really do understand why they do it. Imagine a time when you had simple common sense, and could think of ways to reassure the American people that their Executive Branch wasn't trying to conceal things from them.

#49 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:32 AM | Reply

Now it comes down to public opinion. If the majority doesn't accept what Barr has done, congress will act. If the majority says that Barr's report of the Mueller report is good enough, then this episode is dumped into the dustbin of history. One thing for sure, the 100 million citizens that don't vote won't change their minds.

#50 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seems like MSNBC is pissed that Barr didnt come out and convict the President. It's like they are screaming "Why arent you on our side"!!!

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 10:33 AM | Reply

What would be stupid is Congress not getting the full un-redacted report.

#46 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-04-18 10:30 AM | FLAG:

I know, they could send it confidentially. It's not like any of the Dems in congress would leak any of it.

#52 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-18 10:33 AM | Reply

"You only have illegitimate suspicions"

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2

Get all the information out there and we won't need to have these arguments any more, ANDREA.

Until that happens, all the suspicions are legitimate.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:34 AM | Reply

It's not like any of the Dems in congress would leak any of it.

#52 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-18 10:33 AM

Leaking it is superior to having it buried. I've always said it would be leaked. I think that events are making that ever more certain.

#54 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:36 AM | Reply

Still waiting for "Mueller's Statement", BEN.

Hop to it, some of us gotta work.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:37 AM | Reply

Now it comes down to public opinion. If the majority doesn't accept what Barr has done, congress will act. If the majority says that Barr's report of the Mueller report is good enough, then this episode is dumped into the dustbin of history. One thing for sure, the 100 million citizens that don't vote won't change their minds.

#50 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2019-04-18 10:32 AM | FLAG:

Nope, if the majority accepts what Barr has done it won't matter to those on the left that have invested 2 and a half years saying there was collusion. They know they look like fools and will do anything including continuing to lie to try and justify it.

#56 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-18 10:38 AM | Reply

--The answer is you want Trump in jail, you don't care about the reason. You only have illegitimate suspicions.

Do you realize what historical connotations that has?"

"Show me the man, I'll show you the crime."

--Lavrently Beria

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 10:38 AM | Reply

Until that happens, all the suspicions are legitimate.

No, they are political.

#58 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 10:38 AM | Reply

No, they are political.

#58 | Posted by boaz at

Yes, BOAZ. They are legitimate criminal/political suspicions.

#59 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 10:40 AM | Reply

We've been told multiple times that Trump has been exonerated, yet some are so blinded by TDS that they believe the underacted report will say otherwise.

#60 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 10:40 AM | Reply

FOX News analyst Chris Wallace says William Barr's news conference this morning indicates an Attorney General acting as lawyer for the president, not the nation.

#61 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#56

Yep. Just like Benghazi!

#62 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:42 AM | Reply

BEN, this is what's frustrating about Trump supporters, although I really do understand why they do it. Imagine a time when you had simple common sense, and could think of ways to reassure the American people that their Executive Branch wasn't trying to conceal things from them.

#49 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-04-18 10:32 AM | FLAG:

Sure,common sense. Totally believing that Trump had Putin get him elected in exchange for letting Putin run this country so Trump could build a hotel in Moscow. Sure, that makes total sense Zed.

#63 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-18 10:42 AM | Reply

That damn liberal Chris Wallace just won't let it go.

#64 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:43 AM | Reply

Game Over!
-Boaz

The clock hasn't even started...

#65 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-04-18 10:44 AM | Reply

#56
Yep. Just like Benghazi!

#62 | POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2019-04-18 10:42 AM | FLAG:

So in other words, because they did it to Hillary we must do it to Trump. Lee, you left your pacifier on the teeder totter this morning.

#66 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-18 10:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yes, BOAZ. They are legitimate criminal/political suspicions.

No. They only have one purpose. To bring down Trump. Liberals have been doing it since Trump came down the escalator.

It's about trying to stop the other side only. It's about the liberal machine telling those of us who are conservative to shut up.

#67 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 10:46 AM | Reply

We still have 40 minutes before we can even read it. You may have to unroll your eyes and ------ yourself.

#68 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:46 AM | Reply

#66

Yep. We did it to Nixon, so you had to do it to Clinton. See how politics works?

#69 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:47 AM | Reply

It's about trying to stop the other side only.

#67 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-04-18 10:46 AM | REPLY

and? Welcome to politics. That was the Obama years, and Bush years, and Clinton years.

How do you not get this?

#70 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 10:48 AM | Reply

#67

Yep. We want to make Trump a one term president. Where have I heard that before?

#71 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#70

Selective dismay.

#72 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 10:50 AM | Reply

Christ, people. Get a grip. The report is being released today. It will be dissected with a microscope. Both Barr and Mueller are scheduled to testify before congress in a couple of weeks.

Let the process play itself out and let the chips fall where they may.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 10:51 AM | Reply

Welcome to politics. That was the Obama years, and Bush years, and Clinton years.
How do you not get this?

#70 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I've been saying this for a while now. Expect the opposition party to act like an opposition party.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 10:52 AM | Reply

Yep. We did it to Nixon, so you had to do it to Clinton. See how politics works?

#69 | Posted by lee_the_agent

But it needs to stop. It's what's wrong with the country.

#75 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 10:55 AM | Reply

"It's about trying to stop the other side only. "

After Garland didn't even get a Senate hearing for a year you have no credibility. None whatsoever.

#76 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"But it needs to stop. It's what's wrong with the country."

No, it needs to continue. It's called democracy.

#77 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 11:00 AM | Reply

Trump and the Republicans want to end democracy and prove it daily. Many of them will even admit it in private.

#78 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 11:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

You are sick Danni.

#79 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 11:04 AM | Reply

And BTW Danni,

We are not a Democracy.

#80 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 11:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 5

I bet MSNBC will read the report out loud when it's released.

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 11:05 AM | Reply

The link takes you to one of those crappy CNN news feeds.

All I'm seeing is yet another summary from Barr (by all appearances) and tweets by Nancy saying the WH got a private viewing prior to release.

Where is the actual report? That's all I care about.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You are sick Danni.

#79 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Actually, she's correct.

BTW as a person constantly calling for a civil war, you yourself fall under that category and, as such, have zero ability to call anybody sick.

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

And BTW Danni,
We are not a Democracy.

#80 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Chirp chirp chirp.

Any other inane comments to add?

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wait, trump said he believes putin that putin didn't try to affect the election.

Is he a liar?

If russia is doing this, and trump is refusing to defend america from a foreign attack, what should congress' response be?

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I bet MSNBC will read the report out loud when it's released.

#81 | Posted by boaz

And i'll bet you put your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalallala!"

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 11:12 AM | Reply

#84,

I'm correct as well, we arent a democracy, but because I'm a conservative, you wont admit it.

#87 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 11:14 AM | Reply

I'm correct as well, we arent a democracy, but because I'm a conservative, you wont admit it.

#87 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You know what she means.

You're focusing on her comment in a hyper literal sense because you have to have the last word. Not because she thinks we're a true democracy.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:16 AM | Reply

Trump has been exonerated. The Deep State on behalf of Obama, Hillary and the Democrat Party took a swing at the king and missed. Now it's Trump's turn and I hope he brings out the long knives.

#38 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

You're a POS.

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No, it needs to continue. It's called democracy.
#77 | POSTED BY DANNI

If Broadway Joe wins yuo can be assured it will continue.
Joe/meatgrinder

#90 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-04-18 11:18 AM | Reply

A Narcissist's Prayer
[aka Trump's Prayer]

That didn't happen.
[No collusion! No obstruction!]

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
[Okay, there was collusion, but it wasn't illegal.]

And if it was, that's not a big deal.
[Okay, there was obstruction, but president's can't do that.]

And if it is, that's not my fault.
[I was angry and frustrated!]

And if it was, I didn't mean it.
[I sincerely believed it was a witch hunt!]

And if I did ...
[Okay, there was collusion and obstruction but ...]

You deserved it.
[because HRC, Democrats, the Deep State, the MSM are so evil everything I did was justified!]

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

So team trump learned of a russian attack against americans, and they didn't tell anyone about it because it benefited them. What patriots.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're focusing on her comment in a hyper literal sense because you have to have the last word.

Liberals do that all the time. So now that I'm throwing it back in your face you are complaining?

Not because she thinks we're a true democracy.

No, she does think we are a democracy.

#93 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 11:21 AM | Reply

"Trump has been exonerated. The Deep State on behalf of Obama, Hillary and the Democrat Party took a swing at the king and missed. Now it's Trump's turn and I hope he brings out the long knives."

Narcissist's aka Trump's Halleluiah chorus:

Now I will have my revenge on anyone and everyone who tried to hold me accountable for my actions! AMEN!!!!

#94 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 11:22 AM | Reply

It's about trying to stop the other side only. It's about the liberal machine telling those of us who are conservative to shut up.

#67 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Well...when you're this much of a detached from reality, whiny little self-victimizing "alpha" male bitch you should shut up. That kind of behavior is why there's an adult's table and a kid's table. You, and most other "c-c-conservatives" belong at the kid's table.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:23 AM | Reply

Let the lies begin!
#1 | POSTED BY DANNI

The Democrats lost under the system we have in place. It's a good system. It's a fair system.

#96 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 11:24 AM | Reply

Liberals do that all the time. So now that I'm throwing it back in your face you are complaining?

This is why you're told to shut up. You're a child.

No, she does think we are a democracy.

#93 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I highly doubt that. Democracy is frequently used as shorthand for a voter-based government. Or did you actually believe we were spreading classical Greek-style Democracy in the ME all these years?

#97 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:25 AM | Reply

www.justice.gov

Here you go guys. No more relying on what Barr is saying Mueller said.

#98 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now I will have my revenge on anyone and everyone who tried to hold me accountable for my actions! AMEN!!!!
#94 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

That's the understatement of this millennium.

#99 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 11:25 AM | Reply

"Let the lies begin!"

Let the whitewash and coverup continue!

#100 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here you go guys. No more relying on what Barr is saying Mueller said.
#98 | POSTED BY JPW

When you find out that Barr was being honest and upfront, will you admit you were wrong? Can you start now?

#101 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 11:27 AM | Reply

Are you guys still looking for the second set of keys to the supply locker. FYI: Hillary ate the strawberries.

#102 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 11:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

www.bbc.com

"While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges," the report states.

"Among other things, the evidence was not sufficient to charge any Campaign official as an unregistered agent of the Russian government or other Russian principal."

This is my JPW prediction-

The right will hang their hat on the report stopping short of calling Trump, his campaign and his transition team's conduct criminal. All other critical thought and consideration will be tossed out the window because their only standard will be "is it criminal".

#103 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We've been told multiple times that Trump has been exonerated

#60 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 10:40

Well, Trump sure as hell told you he's exonerated, multiple times.

#104 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:30 AM | Reply

When you find out that Barr was being honest and upfront, will you admit you were wrong? Can you start now?

#101 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

LOL

Will you admit you're a sycophantic cult member?

#105 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

When you find out that Barr was being honest and upfront

#101 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019

You mean, like he hasn't been so far?

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:31 AM | Reply

The Democrats lost under the system we have in place. It's a good system. It's a fair system.

#96 | Posted by JordyPete

The president can't be indicted. He could shoots someone and not be prosecuted. That's a good system? Only if the president is republican right?

#107 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 11:32 AM | Reply

The right will hang their hat on the report stopping short of calling Trump, his campaign and his transition team's conduct criminal. All other critical thought and consideration will be tossed out the window because their only standard will be "is it criminal".

#103 | Posted by jpw at 2019

This is spot-on.

NOT that he isn't a low-life. NOT that he doesn't feather his own nest. And even NOT that he actually loves his own country.

#108 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:32 AM | Reply

106 Comments summed up in one sentence: I've read the entire report in the last 10 minutes and I've come to a conclusion that my position, whatever it might be, is a complete victory for whatever side I am on.

#109 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-04-18 11:32 AM | Reply

ummmm THIS IS KINDA FUN.... but kinda sad it costed 33 million dollars...money that Americans could have used for more important uses far away from DC.

Well THIS took 2 1/2 years of congress time. THIS and the New Green Deal is ALL the democrats have.

It's like there are no problems in America.

So if you voted democrat to "get Trump" you wasted your vote. You didn't get him.

But you did do great harm to other Americans that needed help.

These Americans will remember that in 2020

#110 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-04-18 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Democrats lost under the system we have in place. It's a good system. It's a fair system.

#96 | Posted by JordyPete

You're bragging about a criminal getting away with a crime and calling it a good fair system. Says a lot about you.

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 11:33 AM | Reply

Based on my reading of U.S. law, I'm pretty sure powerful white males are allowed to obstruct justice if they are frustrated.

#112 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

We've been told multiple times that Trump has been exonerated ...

Either you're dumb or you think everybody else is.

#113 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

So if you voted democrat to "get Trump" you wasted your vote. You didn't get him.

#110 | Posted by Pegasus

You're bragging about a criminal getting away with a crime. Says a lot about you too.

You're like the black people celebrating after the OJ verdict.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 11:35 AM | Reply

Trump and the Republicans want to end democracy and prove it daily.

#78 | Posted by danni at

This is also spot-on. Once you accept it a lot of things become clear.

#115 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:35 AM | Reply

No, she does think we are a democracy.

#93 | POSTED BY BOAZ

No, she doesn't. The word "Democracy" is rarely used in a strictly literal sense these days and hasn't for a long time.

When referring to the US as a Democracy what is being said is "Representative Democracy."

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"When you find out that Barr was being honest and upfront, will you admit you were wrong? "

What a riot from our resident mega-hypocrite Special Eddie.

Tell us, Eddie: Now that Trump has been proven to be a liar and NOT upfront, will you admit you were wrong?

#117 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Today is but the next step in this process.

#118 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 11:36 AM | Reply

#110 | Posted by Pegasus

Incomprehensible post.

No hurry explaining it. You can get it to me the same time BEN provides "Mueller's Statement".

#119 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:37 AM | Reply

But you did do great harm to other Americans that needed help.
These Americans will remember that in 2020

#110 | POSTED BY PEGASUS

If you voted for Trump you're responsible for far more harm to Americans than anybody else.

#120 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many DR Hystericrats are actually going to read the report? I'm guessing they can be counted on one hand.

#121 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 11:37 AM | Reply

When referring to the US as a Democracy what is being said is "Representative Democracy."

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019

When conservatives lean back on this weird distinction it feels unsettling.

Yes, we live in a Democracy. World War II was fought for Democracy. There are only two forms of Democracy, Representative and Direct.

What's the agenda on these terms that makes the Right argue about them so much?

#122 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:40 AM | Reply

When you find out that Barr was being honest and upfront, will you admit you were wrong? Can you start now?

#101 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Just so we are clear, are you talking about the first, second or third president for whom Barr has been caught lying?

If you are just talking about just this most recent lie, we probably should acknowledge his previous lies first, to show that he is in fact, like trump, a pathological liar.

When you find out he is a pathological liar, will you admit you are wrong? Can you start now?

#123 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-18 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Just read the introduction to the report.

This reads like a mob organization-a mutually beneficial relationship that is loosely held by the understanding of it being mutually beneficial.

A. Russia wanted Trump because they would benefit.

B. Trump's campaign accepted Russian help because it was beneficial.

C. A significant number of Trump associates had verified ties to Russian government assets.

D. The initial FBI investigation was not started because of the Steele dossier (there goes that righty talking point).

#124 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many DR Hystericrats are actually going to read the report? I'm guessing they can be counted on one hand.

#121 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04

There are more than five political nerds in the country, NULLI.

#125 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:42 AM | Reply

oh me... well I would have taken that 32 million dollars and turn it to a federal grant to process rape kits.

Some states have decades of unprocessed rape kits because they have no money.

To me that's a crime. So the choice was 400 pages of basically nothing or processed rape kits.

WWDD

What Would Democrats Do?

#126 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-04-18 11:42 AM | Reply

#126 | Posted by Pegasus

What are you so desperate to sell the lie that the report didnt show any crimes?

It found he obstructed justice and put it in congress' hands to prosecute. Sucks to be trump. Or his cult.

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Sure,common sense. Totally believing that Trump had Putin get him elected in exchange for letting Putin run this country so Trump could build a hotel in Moscow. Sure, that makes total sense Zed.

#63 | Posted by fishpaw

FISHPAW, you thinking me crazy is no excuse for Barr handling things like a cover-up.

#128 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:45 AM | Reply

"What Would Democrats Do?"

Well, clearly, if Republicans were in charge of surveillance, and Jeff Sessions walked into Kislyak's office...

...they'd have turned off the recorders.

#129 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 11:45 AM | Reply

The Right behaves like so many low-rent Abbie Hoffmans.

"Steal This Democracy".

#130 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:46 AM | Reply

There are more than five political nerds in the country, NULLI.

#125 | POSTED BY ZED

ha ha, he got you, he says he has 6 fingers on his hand.

------------

wait a minute, after further review and nulli getting a hired nurse to assist in the recount, it turns out that he only has five fingers.

nevermind

#131 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-18 11:46 AM | Reply

-- There are more than five political nerds in the country, NULLI.

I confined my post to the DR Hystericrats, Saint Zed. Reading is fundamental. Now get busy. Only 400 pages.

#132 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 11:47 AM | Reply

"How many DR Hystericrats are actually going to read the report?"

More, or less than the DR Trumperphluffers who initially claimed no ties to Russia whatsoever?

#133 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 11:47 AM | Reply

oh me... well I would have taken that 32 million dollars and turn it to a federal grant to process rape kits.

#126 | POSTED BY PEGASUS

Republicans DO LIKE their strawmen.

The Mueller investigation has seized about as much in assets from the prosecution of corrupt Trump associates as it has cost. So we have basically gotten justice served to a bunch of criminals for free.

#134 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-04-18 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

A. Russia wanted Trump because they would benefit.

B. Trump's campaign accepted Russian help because it was beneficial.

C. A significant number of Trump associates had verified ties to Russian government assets.

So will Trump continue to say Mueller exonerated him while saying this part of the Report is because of the "Deep State"?

#135 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 11:50 AM | Reply

I'm late to the party but from what I read...this could have all been Easily and legally dealt with if trump would have testified, is that right?

#136 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-04-18 11:52 AM | Reply

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".

Not quite the result a lot of people were hoping for.

#137 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 11:53 AM | Reply

"The Mueller investigation has seized about as much in assets from the prosecution of corrupt Trump associates as it has cost."

Now, now...

Don't go confusing the Republicans by using Actual Math. They only understand Republican Math™, where costs are counted, but not offsets if it hurts their narrative.

#138 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 11:53 AM | Reply

and it seems most of the redactions are either investigative techniques, or related to the ongoing Wikileaks prosecution.

#139 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 11:54 AM | Reply

I confined my post to the DR Hystericrats, Saint Zed. Reading is fundamental. Now get busy. Only 400 pages.

#132 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Aren't you going to read it so that you can set the DR Hystericrats straight?

Or are you going to continue to comment on the topic in your ignorance?

#140 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:55 AM | Reply

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".
Not quite the result a lot of people were hoping for.

#137 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Under a very narrow, legal definition. Namely, a tacit or explicit agreement. Something that was called some time ago IIRC.

The report, so far as I've read it, says there definitely was connections and coordination, just not to satisfy a criminal statute's definition.

#141 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

32 million to buy some fake news.

32 million don't buy much in democrat DC these days...

Sucks to be trump. Or his cult....

Yep but they gonna get 4 more years anyway thanks to you democrats.

WWDD? now?

#142 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-04-18 11:57 AM | Reply

it turns out that he only has five fingers........#131 | POSTED BY KUDZU

And they have names....Rosey_Posey_Sally & Sue. and Don

#143 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-04-18 11:58 AM | Reply

More, or less than the DR Trumperphluffers who initially claimed no ties to Russia whatsoever?

#133 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Yet another stupid talking point that anybody who isn't a Trump cultist knew to be false that gets blown out of the water.

The nice thing about this report being released is the righties will no longer be able to claim they haven't sold their soul for a "win" for their party.

#144 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 11:59 AM | Reply

--Aren't you going to read it so that you can set the DR Hystericrats straight?

Nope. I haven't been obsessing about it for 2 years. If I want to read something Russia-related, I'll read something more enriching, like Dostoevsky.

#145 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 12:00 PM | Reply

"Nope. I haven't been obsessing about it for 2 years. If I want to read something Russia-related, I'll read something more enriching, like Dostoevsky."

Nulli operates on the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil system when it comes to Trump.

#146 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Nope. I haven't been obsessing about it for 2 years. If I want to read something Russia-related, I'll read something more enriching, like Dostoevsky.

#145 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Good. Then I expect I won't see you posting on any Mueller report threads either?

#147 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:06 PM | Reply

The report, so far as I've read it, says there definitely was connections and coordination, just not to satisfy a criminal statute's definition.
#141 | POSTED BY JPW

You miss read it, the "criminal" definition requires requires Actus Reus and Mens Rea; what is being stated here is that they found one or none and thus Conspiracy was not committed. The law is clear, and written plainly. Bad actions aren't always illegal.

The nice thing about this report being released is the righties will no longer be able to claim they haven't sold their soul for a "win" for their party.
#144 | POSTED BY JPW

Whatever helps you think you "won" ..

#148 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-18 12:07 PM | Reply

#146 | Posted by danni

I assume you're going to read all of it, right? Or are going to wait for Rachel Maddow's spin?

#149 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 12:07 PM | Reply

You miss read it, the "criminal" definition requires requires Actus Reus and Mens Rea; what is being stated here is that they found one or none and thus Conspiracy was not committed.

You basically said the same thing.

Whatever helps you think you "won" ..
#148 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

This from the guy who just posted "bad actions aren't always illegal".

Keep justifying selling your soul, Andrea. Just stop acting as if you're a moral or decent person.

#150 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:10 PM | Reply


More, or less than the DR Trumperphluffers who initially claimed no ties to Russia whatsoever?
#133 | POSTED BY DANFORTH
#144 | POSTED BY JPW

Are you talking about the Trump Tower meeting? And you call me a cultist?
As Lloyd said, "So, what you're telling me is that THERE'S STILL A CHANCE!"

#151 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 12:10 PM | Reply

This from the guy who just posted "bad actions aren't always illegal".
#150 | POSTED BY JPW

I don't know about that. There are some prosecutors, investigators, maybe even some sitting Democrat elected officials who will for sure be going to jail over this episode.

BTW, where's Hilary?

#152 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 12:13 PM | Reply

"Trump on Mueller's Appointment: 'This is the End of my Presidency'"

Yet, he didn't obstruct. Keep trying though. This is very entertaining to watch.

#153 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 12:14 PM | Reply

Also, Andrea, the report goes out of its way to state that the fact that the investigation did not establish a certain set of facts does not mean that there was no evidence of said facts.

Boiled down, it says despite evidence of widespread contacts between the campaign and Russian government assets, there was insufficient evidence of "two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests."

That's a really strong leg to stand on.

#154 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:15 PM | Reply

"Or are going to wait for Rachel Maddow's spin?"

Rachel Maddow is fine with me, she's one of the smartest and most honest pundit on TV today.

#155 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 12:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 4

--Just stop acting as if you're a moral or decent person.

Oh look, Saint Zed has competition for the more-moral-than-thou crown.

#156 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 12:16 PM | Reply

I don't know about that. There are some prosecutors, investigators, maybe even some sitting Democrat elected officials who will for sure be going to jail over this episode.
BTW, where's Hilary?

#152 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

LOL every other right talking point has been show to be BS for the gullible. Why do you insist on continuing to be gullible?

Oh that's right. You're Trump cultist. "*Sluuuuurp* may I have another" is your motto.

#157 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:17 PM | Reply

Yet, he didn't obstruct. Keep trying though. This is very entertaining to watch.

#153 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

That's the opposite of what the Report says.

#158 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-18 12:17 PM | Reply

There are some prosecutors, investigators, maybe even some sitting Democrat elected officials who will for sure be going to jail over this episode.

And there's a child sex trafficking ring operating out of the basement of a D.C. pizza parlor with no basement.

You're really good at parroting the day's most dumbass right wing talking point. When there's an opening at Fox and Friends you should apply.

#159 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Are you talking about the Trump Tower meeting? And you call me a cultist?
As Lloyd said, "So, what you're telling me is that THERE'S STILL A CHANCE!"
#151 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

They admitted to the meeting and the reason for it. Funny how you guys go straight for the most obvious incident and try to paint is untrue or unimportant.

And no, I'm not holding out hope for anything. The report says what it says and we're likely stuck with Trump until 2020.

#160 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:19 PM | Reply

Can they prove Collusion happened? Yes.
Can they prove Collusion beyond a reasonable doubt? Maybe.

Can they prove Obstruction happened? Yes.
Can they prove Obstruction happened beyond a reasonable doubt? Yes.

#161 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-18 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Oh look, Saint Zed has competition for the more-moral-than-thou crown.

#156 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Compared to Trumpers that's not hard.

It's become a given that if a non-Trumper is talking to a Trumper then they're a. smarter and b. a more decent person.

#162 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

The russian mafia guy was given an office in trump tower. Not only that, but the office was right next door to trump's office.

You know how honest those russian mafia people are. I'm sure it was all just a coincidence.

#163 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-18 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bad actions aren't always illegal.

#148 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-18 12:07 PM | Reply

Did Trump do something bad, ANDREA?

#164 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is according to the notes kept by Jody Hunt, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions's chief of staff.

More fake news... real news reporters would have tracked down Jody Hunt and others in the room to verify the accuracy.

Remember when news people used to do that sorta thing...??

yea... that IS so last century...

#165 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-04-18 12:24 PM | Reply

I dont think Trump did anything illegal here. And even MSNBC is coming to that conclusion.

#166 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 12:24 PM | Reply

BTW Jordy.

The report states as fact that the Trump tower meeting occurred and that Don Jr, Mannafort and Kushner went their with the understanding of obtaining incriminating information on Hillary.

Apparently the only reason that doesn't rise to conspiracy or coordination is because the information that was presented at the meeting didn't rise to incriminating information.

Just read the report and stop making an ass of yourself.

#167 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The report shows Trump did collude with Russia but just doesn't prove it strongly enough because Trump wouldn't risk perjury by testifying. Instead, he got members of his administration to lie for him as Michael Cohen has stated. The Trumpers who defend him don't care if he is innocent or guilty, he's their guy and if he did commit crimes it's ok with them. Many of them still defend known crimes committed by previous Republican Presidents and they still idolize them.

#168 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 12:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 3

I dont think Trump did anything illegal here. And even MSNBC is coming to that conclusion.

#166 | POSTED BY BOAZ

LOL it took less than an hour for my prediction to be correct.

This is my JPW prediction-
The right will hang their hat on the report stopping short of calling Trump, his campaign and his transition team's conduct criminal. All other critical thought and consideration will be tossed out the window because their only standard will be "is it criminal".

#103 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-04-18 11:29 AM

#169 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And no, I'm not holding out hope for anything. The report says what it says and we're likely stuck with Trump until 2020.
#160 | POSTED BY JPW

Can you at least admit you were wrong then? I know that will never happen, but it sure ---- is a lot of fun trying to get you to say no and watch you make a hypocrite of yourself trying. Hey, I'm not hiding my motive here.

#170 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Many of them still defend known crimes committed by previous Republican Presidents and they still idolize them.

#168 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 12:24 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

They act like Scientologists.

#171 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:27 PM | Reply

rump has been exonerated. The Deep State on behalf of Obama, Hillary and the Democrat Party took a swing at the king and missed. Now it's Trump's turn and I hope he brings out the long knives.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 10:24 AM

Be careful, your fascism is showing.

#172 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-04-18 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The more I hear about the report the more I feel that Bill Clinton got royally screwed over much less important issues than the one's Trump seems to slide by on.

#173 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Can you at least admit you were wrong then?

#170 | Posted by JordyPete

What I'm getting from the Report is that we weren't wrong at all.

#174 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:30 PM | Reply

Can you at least admit you were wrong then? I know that will never happen, but it sure ---- is a lot of fun trying to get you to say no and watch you make a hypocrite of yourself trying. Hey, I'm not hiding my motive here.

#170 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

You do know the Report absolutely confirms Attempted Obstruction right?

#175 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-18 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Redacted Mueller Report

#176 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-04-18 12:32 PM | Reply

Can you at least admit you were wrong then? I know that will never happen, but it sure ---- is a lot of fun trying to get you to say no and watch you make a hypocrite of yourself trying. Hey, I'm not hiding my motive here.

#170 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Wrong how? The report is laying out clear instances of contact and cooperation.

It's all under the caveat of not rising to a criminal offense.

It hardly exonerates Trump or paints his win in a positive light.

#177 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rachel Maddow is fine with me, she's one of the smartest and most honest pundit on TV today.
#155 | POSTED BY DANNI

I compare her rhetoric based on false narratives to that of Tucker Carlson, but Carlson's show has the opposing view on for rambunctious debate. Maddow won't do this. She gets whiny idiots on her show who only support her. They lie too! Maddow is as bad as Sean Hannity. They both cross the line.

#178 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 12:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

They both cross the line.

#178 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019

Another right-wing talking point du jour.

#179 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:35 PM | Reply

"I compare her rhetoric based on false narratives to that of Tucker Carlson,"

Don't bother me with what you think, you're an idiot. If you haven't noticed I rarely respond to your idiotic posts. Nulli is a genius compared to you.

#180 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 12:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The report is laying out clear instances of contact and cooperation.

#177 | Posted by jpw at

And therefore a clear picture of Trump as a smarmy and traitorous SOB.

#181 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:36 PM | Reply

Can you at least admit you were wrong then?
#170 | Posted by JordyPete

The report verifies the worst.

#182 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-18 12:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"They lie too!"
~Eddie, when it's a Democrat.

Meanwhile, "I'm constantly under audit" gets...

(crickets)

#183 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 12:41 PM | Reply

"the long knives."

Are you aware of the incident you're invoking?!? Or is this another Strange Fruit moment?

#184 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 12:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wrong how? The report is laying out clear instances of contact and cooperation.
It's all under the caveat of not rising to a criminal offense.
It hardly exonerates Trump or paints his win in a positive light.
#177 | POSTED BY JPW

AAAAAAANnndd. There it is.

This is what this is all about. This is about how the Democrats are still grieving over a loss that they think they didn't deserve. Of, course they deserved to lose. Hilary was worse at campaigning than Mitt Romney. Trump and his campaign did a good job at winning an election that close to impossible for a Republican to win. They did it and they did it without cheating or any illegal activity. The entire Mueller investigation was supposed to find THAT and couldn't.

Now, for the meeting that you trying to "paint" as dishonest was not even a meeting. The Mueller Report explains that and what's more, "paints" a picture of this so-called Russian meeting to be a setup. Also working against you. Trump didn't know about it.

Trump was put into a position to prove that he was innocent and guess what? He did prove it.

Now what happens is that a whole lot of prosecutors, investigators and some former and sitting elected Democrat officials will be going to jail.

Manifort will be let out, exonerated and write a book and will become a millionaire just like BERNIE!

#185 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"They did it (won the election) and they did it without cheating or any illegal activity"

Except for the Russians.

#186 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:45 PM | Reply

Now what happens is that a whole lot of prosecutors, investigators and some former and sitting elected Democrat officials will be going to jail.

#185 | Posted by JordyPete

Neurological disorder. Has to be.

#187 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:46 PM | Reply

Trump was put into a position to prove that he was innocent and guess what? He did prove it.

#185 | Posted by JordyPete

Has to be.

#188 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:47 PM | Reply

Most are stuck in denial and anger, a few have made it to bargaining. None have learned acceptance.

#189 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Most are stuck in denial and anger, a few have made it to bargaining. None have learned acceptance.

#189 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-

This is what frustrates about Trump supporters, although I know why you do it. When the news about Trump is bad, the more flippant you become.

#190 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:49 PM | Reply

Are you aware of the incident you're invoking?!?

#184 | Posted by Danforth at 2019

An excellent question.

#191 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:51 PM | Reply

Don't bother me with what you think, you're an idiot. If you haven't noticed I rarely respond to your idiotic posts. Nulli is a genius compared to you.
#180 | POSTED BY DANNI

I'm smarter than you and that's why you hate me. The reason you are so abusive is because I make you think and when you think you experience cognitive dissonance. I've never seen a site where its long time members have had their heads so far up their "collective" asses for such a long time! There may be worse places, but here is a good place to jump right in a say something that brings a rant based on a false narrative to a screeching halt. That's why you hate me. I hate dishonesty. You are a liar and too stupid to know it. I call you out and you don't like it. OWN THAT!

Remember that you said Maddow is fine with you and you call me an idiot? That's like saying "Sean Hannity is fine with me".

#192 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 12:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#185 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Unless you're going to do something other than regurgitate right wing talking points and BS f--- off.

Moron.

#193 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 12:54 PM | Reply

I'm smarter than you and that's why you hate me

#192 | Posted by JordyPete

We hate you for your good looks, JORDY.

#194 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There is a wide chasm between "not indicted" and "exonerated". The report explicitly says it does not exonerate Trump. Any attempt to pretend it does is a direct falshood

#195 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-04-18 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

I'm smarter than you and that's why you hate me

#192 | Posted by JordyPete

I hate you for your slim figure, speaking strictly for myself.

#196 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:56 PM | Reply

--Rachel Maddow is fine with me

In other words you won't read it. Got it.

#197 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 12:57 PM | Reply

I hate dishonesty

#192 | Posted by JordyPete

Oh, I also hate you for your honesty.

#198 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 12:58 PM | Reply

"This is about how the Democrats are still grieving over a loss"

Nonsense. This is about how Republicans feel it's okay for a President and his campaign to repeatedly lie to the American people, and how partisan sycophants will excuse any behavior if they believe it benefits their "team".

#199 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Most are stuck in denial and anger, a few have made it to bargaining. None have learned acceptance.
#189 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-
This is what frustrates about Trump supporters, although I know why you do it. When the news about Trump is bad, the more flippant you become.
#190 | POSTED BY ZED

Visitor was talking to the DRLeft here.

The report concludes that the election was a fair election and all this will be over in a week and CNN and MSNBC will be changing their tact to get back viewers leaving the minority of haters and losers with no support.

#200 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:00 PM | Reply

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".

Not quite the result a lot of people were hoping for.

#137 | Posted by sitzkrieg

...followed by 10 concrete examples of criminal obstruction of justice.

Funny how you didn't mention that part.

My favorite: When trump finds out about the special council investigation his response was "I'm ------. This is the end of my presidency"

That's what innocent men say right?

#201 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

The report concludes that the election was a fair election and all this will be over in a week and CNN and MSNBC will be changing their tact to get back viewers leaving the minority of haters and losers with no support.

#200 | Posted by JordyPete

The report concludes that russia influenced the investigation. Trump says they didn't. So who is lying?

#202 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In other words you won't read it. Got it.

#197 | Posted by nullifidian

Are you reading it? I've been listening to people quoting from it all morning. 10 examples of obstruction... Trump pulling reagan's old "i cant recall" trick in his written answers... trump's team learning of a foreign intelligence attack and not alerting the authorities...

#203 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"This is about how the Democrats are still grieving over a loss"
Nonsense. This is about how Republicans feel it's okay for a President and his campaign to repeatedly lie to the American people, and how partisan sycophants will excuse any behavior if they believe it benefits their "team".
#199 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Bla bla bla. Perhaps identifying and believing in false narratives is not working for you?

It's time for Democrats to accept defeat and rebuild the party. The Democrats lost two years and gained far more problems in the process by electing far Left candidates. That's just dumb don't you think?

#204 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's time for Democrats to accept defeat and rebuild the party. The Democrats lost two years and gained far more problems in the process by electing far Left candidates. That's just dumb don't you think?

#204 | Posted by JordyPete a

This thread is about how trump is a crook. I know you're desperate to deflect to another topic, but it wont work today.

#205 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:05 PM | Reply

I guess JordyPete hasn't heard that Democrats retook the House last November.

#206 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 01:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are you reading it? I've been listening to people quoting from it all morning. 10 examples of obstruction... Trump pulling reagan's old "i cant recall" trick in his written answers... trump's team learning of a foreign intelligence attack and not alerting the authorities...
#203 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's why our system works. Innocent until proven guilty.

#207 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:06 PM | Reply

The report concludes that russia influenced the investigation. Trump says they didn't. So who is lying?

#202 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You're asking JORDY?

#208 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Bla bla bla."

So was Trump lying to you when he claimed he and his campaign had no contacts with Russians, or not?

A simple yes or no will do. Let's see if you can actually address reality instead of your incessant tap dancing.

#209 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That's why our system works. Innocent until proven guilty.

#207 | Posted by JordyPete

Not if youre the president. He could shoot someone in public and can't be indicted. Does that mean he's innocent?

#210 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:11 PM | Reply

"Perhaps identifying and believing in false narratives is not working for you? "

False narratives, like this one reported by the LA Times?

In his news conference, reporters repeatedly pressed President Trump on the question of whether anyone from his campaign had contacts with Russia intelligence officials, and he repeatedly avoided answering. Trump was asked the question five times and eventually said that "nobody I know of" had such contacts.

Trump was playing the country like chumps. It looks like the chumps are fine with that.

#211 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 01:12 PM | Reply

Funny how you didn't mention that part.

#201 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-04-18 01:01 PM | FLAG:

Not funny, you just can't read and have a habit of inferring intent without enough information.

#212 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:13 PM | Reply

Innocent until proven guilty.

What part of "Mueller refused to consider indicting Trump because he's the president" are you not understanding?

#213 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 01:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I guess JordyPete hasn't heard that Democrats retook the House last November.
#206 | POSTED BY RCADE

Yeah, what a feat. As Nancy Pelosi says, this glass of water would win. It's the nature of the system. They opposing party takes over the House at the mid-terms. We all know this. Stop pretending you don't know what I'm talking about. Under the same statistical forces, the Democrats should have taken over the Senate and lost. That's a loss. A huge loss. What's more, they elected a bunch of new young and ignorant, Far Left loud mouths who come off as racist and bigoted and is bringing the House to its knees and can't pass anything that has a even a remote chance of becoming law. That's a win? Really?

#214 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:13 PM | Reply

downloadable and searchable version of the report:
drive.google.com
Not my drive, but it worked for me.
Best of luck

#215 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 01:15 PM | Reply

I just finished reading the summary of Volume I. There's really nothing there that wasn't already publicly known. I'm going to move on to Volume II and then make a determination as to how much deeper I want to get into the weeds with all of this...

#216 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 01:15 PM | Reply

No collusion, no indictment on obstruction, didn't even bother considering it.

Bad day, he just handed Trump a 2020 win.

#217 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:15 PM | Reply

214 | Posted by JordyPete

Now you're trying much too hard, JORDY.

Look, my friend. It's obvious that what happened today is only the start of something.

Buckle up.

#218 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:16 PM | Reply

Bad day, he just handed Trump a 2020 win.

#217 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019

Curious way to see it.

#219 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:17 PM | Reply

There's really nothing there that wasn't already publicly known.

There's plenty, including the Trump quote in the headline of this link.

#220 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Innocent until proven guilty.
What part of "Mueller refused to consider indicting Trump because he's the president" are you not understanding?
#213 | POSTED BY RCADE

What evidence did Mueller point to when he said that?

I'm two steps ahead of you.

Mueller said this in the report in conclusion because he couldn't find any evidence to indict and further investigation is futile and was referring it to Congress and "They can investigate further if they want to"

That's the part I understand.

#221 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:18 PM | Reply

"The report explicitly says it does not exonerate Trump. Any attempt to pretend it does is a direct falshood"

Does anyone actually remember the Starr report on Clinton? Did he tell Congress to impeach or did he just give them his report and let them decide what to do about it? I suspect that was Mueller's intention here. Now it is up to Pelosi to decide whether colluding with Russians to help Trump win the election or if that is strategically a bad move. Personally, I think it is a bad strategy to not impeach Trump. When we look back at this moment in a few years I believe most Americans will realize what a bad decision it is to just let him off scott free. I know many people who think we erred badly by not doing more to Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 who all committed major crimes that were uncovered and should have been punished. I'm pretty sure though that Pelosi thinks impeachment would hurt Democrats in 2020 so it won't happen.

#222 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I'm going to move on to Volume II and then make a determination as to how much deeper I want to get into the weeds with all of this...

#216 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 01:15 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

If you don't go into the weeds NULLI can't respect you.

#223 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:18 PM | Reply

Not funny, you just can't read and have a habit of inferring intent without enough information.

#212 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Are you suggesting you need help inferring trump's intent when he obstructed justice 10 times?

#224 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:18 PM | Reply

I'm two steps ahead of you.

#221 | Posted by JordyPete at

Only two?

Maybe you aren't a genius after all.

#225 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:19 PM | Reply

Curious way to see it.

#219 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-04-18 01:17 PM | REPLY

Dem's only hope to beat him was an indictment.

#226 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:19 PM | Reply

Mueller said this in the report in conclusion because he couldn't find any evidence to indict and further investigation is futile and was referring it to Congress and "They can investigate further if they want to"

That's the part I understand.

#221 | Posted by JordyPete

That's not what he said. He said a president can't be indicted even if they committed a crime so it's up to congress to impeach.

Your lies make you smell really desperate today.

#227 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's plenty, including the Trump quote in the headline of this link.
#220 | POSTED BY RCADE

So, all you can gather from this is that the Mueller report is no more than fodder for the Press to chew on?

#228 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:20 PM | Reply

Bad day, he just handed Trump a 2020 win.

That's exactly the kind of thing Trump-plumping clowns said after the Barr memo. His approval has dropped since the memo came out.

Now we have 400 pages of damaging information on Trump and you think this helps him EVEN MORE!

#229 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dem's only hope to beat him was an indictment.

#226 | Posted by sitzkrieg

You're confusing a desire to get the truth and pursue justice with a desire to "BEAT HIM".

America needs to see how corrupt and criminal this man is. Now we are and the best you can do is say "well they couldnt prosecute him so we win!"

#230 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So, all you can gather from this is that the Mueller report is no more than fodder for the Press to chew on?

#228 | Posted by JordyPete

Keep saying it. Maybe that'll make it true if you post it 2000 times.

#231 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:22 PM | Reply

So, all you can gather from this is that the Mueller report is no more than fodder for the Press to chew on?

#228 | Posted by JordyPete at

You're-trying-too-hard.

#232 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:22 PM | Reply

"Maybe you aren't a genius after all."

Special Eddie a genius?

More like a Dunning-Kruger topic.

#233 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 01:22 PM | Reply

So, all you can gather from this is that the Mueller report is no more than fodder for the Press to chew on?

This is a stupid question.

#234 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 01:22 PM | Reply

-- If you don't go into the weeds NULLI can't respect you.

It looks like Jeff is actually reading it, which is more than one can say about the DR Left, Saint Zed.

#235 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 01:22 PM | Reply

#230 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-04-18 01:21 PM | REPLY

You still can't read. You can't even wrap your head around the fact I don't vote for Trump.

The reports out. Impeachment was taken off the table a month ago. Dems are screwed and we're going to get stuck with Trump for 4 more years. Get used to it.

#236 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:23 PM | Reply

I just finished reading the summary of Volume I. There's really nothing there that wasn't already publicly known. I'm going to move on to Volume II and then make a determination as to how much deeper I want to get into the weeds with all of this...

#216 | Posted by JeffJ

Sounds like you dont want to be fully informed if you dont like what the info is telling you.

Also sounds like you've been desensitized to trump's corruption and want to pretend like it's no big deal. All part of your ongoing efforts to pretend the GOP wont be forever scarred by their complicity in all of this.

Quick deflect to the dems!

#237 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:24 PM | Reply

That's not what he said. He said a president can't be indicted even if they committed a crime so it's up to congress to impeach.
Your lies make you smell really desperate today.

#227 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
That's what I just said!

Again, what evidence is Mueller pointing to when he says that?

What I want to know is why did Mueller say that? Does he know something that he is holding back or does he just say stupid crap like that to throw a bone to the Left? This is so comical to watch you take the bait. If there's no evidence, then Mueller is just another narcissist.

#238 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:24 PM | Reply

Saint Zed.

#235 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 01:22 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

It's all about me, NULLI. As it should be.

Seriously, everyone understands that this is no death blow so far. But it's bad. Will you be among those who spin it as good news?

#239 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:25 PM | Reply

The reports out. Impeachment was taken off the table a month ago. Dems are screwed and we're going to get stuck with Trump for 4 more years. Get used to it.

#236 | Posted by sitzkrieg

The reports out. Your party has become the cult of a proven crook and now the public can see the evidence. Get used to it.

#240 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:25 PM | Reply

If there's no evidence, then Mueller is just another narcissist.

#238 | Posted by JordyPete

There are 10 examples of obstruction in the report. For you to say NO EVIDENCE makes you look really really dumb.

#241 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If there's no evidence, then Mueller is just another narcissist.

#238 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:24 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

You mean like Trump? I only seek clarity.

#242 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:26 PM | Reply

So...

The fact that they decided not to "draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct" and what they did find did not exonerate him is an open invitation, if not a direct plea, to the Congress to implement impeachment proceedings to draw the necessary conclusions as to his guilt or innocence.

And if you can use the terms Donald Trump and 'innocence' in the a positive way the same sentence with a straight face, then you deserve an Academy Award.

#243 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It looks like Jeff is actually reading it, which is more than one can say about the DR Left, Saint Zed.

#235 | Posted by nullifidian

And instead of reading it, you're whining that people aren't reading it.

#244 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The reports out. Your party has become the cult of a proven crook and now the public can see the evidence. Get used to it.
#240 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-04-18 01:25 PM | REPLY

"Your party" lol. Keep clinging to that despite being factually wrong. It will take you far in life acting like Trump. You could be President.

#245 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Your party" lol. Keep clinging to that despite being factually wrong. It will take you far in life acting like Trump. You could be President.

#245 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Oh excuse me. I meant the party that you spend all day defending and attacking for like a loyal dog. My mistake.

#246 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:29 PM | Reply

Dems are screwed and we're going to get stuck with Trump for 4 more years.

#236 | Posted by sitzkrieg

We may be stuck with him for another twenty months or so.

Why do you have such investment in such a loathsome creature? It's a very serious question.

#247 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:29 PM | Reply

It's Antifa's Fault(tm) that Trumpifidian is not reading the Report!

#248 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 01:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

"So, all you can gather from this is that the Mueller report is no more than fodder for the Press to chew on?"
This is a stupid question.
#234 | POSTED BY RCADE

No, it's an honest question. Mueller has done nothing more than obstruct justice himself. The more that the truth comes out, the items that stand out the most were included in the report to make the report appear to be more important than it really is.

Did Trump commit an impeachable offense?

I think Mueller is just another narcissist in Washington.

#249 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:30 PM | Reply

--Sounds like you dont want to be fully informed

So you're reading the entire thing, right? Because you want to be "fully informed," right?

#250 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 01:31 PM | Reply

Keep saying it. Maybe that'll make it true if you post it 2000 times.
#231 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's the first time I said it. Perhaps you thought the same thing and it's been rattling around in your head for the last several hours.

#251 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:31 PM | Reply

"Mueller has done nothing more than obstruct justice himself."

Rcade, where is the "Desperately Ludicrous Made-Up --------" Flag?

#252 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 01:32 PM | Reply

Oh excuse me. I meant the party that you spend all day defending and attacking for like a loyal dog. My mistake.

#246 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-04-18 01:29 PM | FLAG:

My mistake is not plonking a sociopathic liar that uses Trump tactics.

#253 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:34 PM | Reply

Well, that's fixed.

#254 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:34 PM | Reply

So you're reading the entire thing, right? Because you want to be "fully informed," right?

#250 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 01:31

When all is said and done we will be hyper-informed.

Knowledge base appears to have little impact on evil. Can you help with this or are you going to sneer at people who notice evil?

#255 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:34 PM | Reply

The report concludes that the election was a fair election...

#200 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Obvious troll.

Rcade, is there a way to check if his IP is from Russia?

#256 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 01:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

- Why do you have such investment in such a loathsome creature?

He doesn't. Like Dulli, he is invested in trolling liberals who have the temerity to disagree with him.

I mean, these are politically astute legends in their own minds, and disagreeing with them is the ultimate folly.

#257 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 01:34 PM | Reply

Wow this thread just got a lot shorter.

#258 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 01:34 PM | Reply

I feel that Bill Clinton got royally screwed over much less important issues than the one's Trump seems to slide by on. - #173 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 12:29 PM
Well, it was at least a -------. I'm sure getting screwed wasn't out of the question.

#259 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 01:35 PM | Reply

That's the first time I said it.

#251 | Posted by JordyPete

Then it's original!

#260 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:35 PM | Reply

"Your party" lol. Keep clinging to that despite being factually wrong. It will take you far in life acting like Trump. You could be President.
#245 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Yeah, I get the same thing. We are all holding up our hands in the common gestor asking "where's the beef, ----?"

The Left just has to stop trying to beat Trump at his game. Trump owns the message and always has. He's not a typical Republican. LOL!!!

(He's not even a Republican)

#261 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:36 PM | Reply

Rcade, is there a way to check if his IP is from Russia?

#256 | Posted by jpw at 2019

It really isn't a bad idea.

#262 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:37 PM | Reply

Just finished the summary from Volume II.

Again, pretty much all of that was already publicly known. The nice thing about the both summaries is that it succinctly summarizes all of that which had been reported piecemeal over the past 2+ years and puts it in 1 place.

Here is a link to Volume II:

www.docdroid.net

Page 12 starts with Overarching Factual Issues. A reading of that makes it easy to see why Rosenstein and Barr concluded that the report didn't prove obstruction of justice.

Both summaries track pretty closely to Barr's public statements thus far. If there are any bombshells in either Volume, they certainly won't be found in either summary. Also, the redactions, at least in the summaries, were minimal.

I'll have to peruse/skim through the meat of both Volumes before drawing a more finalized conclusion, but based upon what I've read thus far this is a REALLY bad day for anybody who put their eggs in the Mueller basket in terms of taking down Trump.

#263 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 01:38 PM | Reply

- He's not a typical Republican

He is the ultimate Republican President; a crook like Nixon, a traitor like Reagan, and a witless buffoon like GW.

What more could you Republicans ask for?

#264 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"where's the beef"

Trump lied to you, repeatedly, expecting you to swallow those lies for breakfast. Why do you insist on acting like a battered spouse?

#265 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 01:40 PM | Reply

I think Mueller is just another narcissist in Washington.

#249 | Posted by JordyPete

Of course you do. Criminals always hate the cops.

#266 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:42 PM | Reply

Sounds like you dont want to be fully informed if you dont like what the info is telling you. - Speaks

I've read both summaries. I plan on reading more but am running out of time today and the next 5 days are going to be incredibly busy for me, so....

#267 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 01:43 PM | Reply

263 | Posted by JeffJ at

It would have been nice for a bombshell.

But if we have to make Trump go the old-fashioned way I'm up for that.

What we have against us is the wind of a negative American sub-culture.

JORDY and NULLI have different values than many of us do.

Radically different.

They won't be convinced. We'll have to beat them.

#268 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:43 PM | Reply

Both summaries track pretty closely to Barr's public statements thus far. If there are any bombshells in either Volume, they certainly won't be found in either summary. Also, the redactions, at least in the summaries, were minimal.

I'll have to peruse/skim through the meat of both Volumes before drawing a more finalized conclusion, but based upon what I've read thus far this is a REALLY bad day for anybody who put their eggs in the Mueller basket in terms of taking down Trump.

#263 | Posted by JeffJ

The bombshells have trickled out over the past 2 years. You are just so used to them that they no longer seem like bombshells.

Pretend you hadn't heard any of this before.

Better yet, replace TRUMP with OBAMA and see how it all strikes you.

#269 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Rcade, is there a way to check if his IP is from Russia?
#256 | Posted by jpw at 2019
It really isn't a bad idea.
#262 | POSTED BY ZED

Why is that even funny? That's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you. Why do you still use the "Russian Bot" thingy? That was a proven to be a false narrative a long time ago and you still use it? Comeon. Don't disable yourself.

#270 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:43 PM | Reply

#270 | Posted by JordyPete

You quack like a duck, JORDY.

But you don't waddle. Slim figure, remember?

#271 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:45 PM | Reply

sorry kids. the fun is over. Daddy has to go to work.

#272 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:45 PM | Reply

Why do you still use the "Russian Bot" thingy? That was a proven to be a false narrative a long time ago and you still use it?

You are lying. Russian bots are all over the place and there have been numerous stories about the Russian government agency where they work.

#273 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 01:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Daddy has to go to work.

#272 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019

Who's watching mommy?

#274 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:47 PM | Reply

You quack like a duck, JORDY.
#271 | POSTED BY ZED

One more.

The funny part is that you have to apply the "Russian" moniker because you are so ashamed of being anti-American.

You are so transparent.

#275 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-18 01:47 PM | Reply

That was a proven to be a false narrative a long time ago and you still use it? Comeon. Don't disable yourself.
#270 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Yet again, your post is in direct contradiction to the report.

So either you haven't read it and you're trolling (as I said).

Or you have read it and you're just spreading disinformation. Like a Russian troll would do.

#276 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 01:48 PM | Reply

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Congress could get "adequate" answers from the Turd in Chief during an impeachment proceeding.... since the Investigation could not.

#277 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 01:48 PM | Reply

moniker because you are so ashamed of being anti-American.
You are so transparent.

#275 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

You confuse anti-Trump with anti-American.

Which is why you're called a cultist.

Assuming you are an American.

#278 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 01:49 PM | Reply

Replace Trump with Obama? How about you replace whatever you're drinking with coffee?

#279 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 01:50 PM | Reply

Had Obama done half the things Trump has, there would be impeachment proceedings already.

#280 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 01:52 PM | Reply

Replace Trump with Obama? How about you replace whatever you're drinking with coffee?

#279 | Posted by wisgod at 2019

Not understand? Not surprising. His question required abstract thought.

#281 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

but based upon what I've read thus far this is a REALLY bad day for anybody who put their eggs in the Mueller basket in terms of taking down Trump.

#263 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It's also a really bad day for the Trump cultists.

The summary for part 1 verifies everything that has been publicly denied the past two years regarding Russian interference, assistance to the Trump campaign and connects of Trump's people to Russian intelligence assets.

Every single Faux News and right wing talking point has been shown to be brazenly false. So not only did Trump and the GOP lie their asses off for the past two years, but so has the major right wing "news" network in order to try and assist and cover for Trump.

Think about that for a while and try to see the bigger picture here beyond "woohoo Trump won't be impeached, take that libruls!"

#282 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Replace Trump with Obama? How about you replace whatever you're drinking with coffee?

#279 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Still believes the Obama years were terrible for America.

#283 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 01:53 PM | Reply

I will say this - impeachment is officially off the table. There is no way House Democrats, other than the ones on the fringe, have any desire to impeach based upon what I've read in the 2 summaries.

Best thing this report can give to Democrats is some fodder where they can cherry-pick a few things here and there and try to make some political hay. Given that most of the air has been deflated out of this balloon, it's a tactic that might not work well and may even backfire a bit. Maybe congressional testimonies by Mueller and Barr will provide something meaningful. Maybe there are a few things in the meat of the 2 volumes that weren't adequately summarized that Democrats can seize on (I haven't worked through the meat of the 2 volumes yet).

In all honesty, that is a long-shot at best. I find it very difficult to believe that given his resume and the time and resources he had, the Mueller summaries wouldn't paint a clear picture.

#284 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 01:54 PM | Reply

#275 | Posted by JordyPete

I thought you were going to work? Oh, that's right. You are at work.

#285 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:55 PM | Reply

It's the economy, stupid

#286 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 01:55 PM | Reply

"is some fodder where they can cherry-pick a few things here "

Cherry-pick?

The lies fell of the friggin' tree like it was a hailstorm.

#287 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's the economy, stupid

#286 | Posted by wisgod at

How are you spending your tax cut? An extra pizza night?

#288 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pencil Neck still claims he has proof of collusion. What a joke the Democrats have become.

#289 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 01:57 PM | Reply

#282 | POSTED BY JPW

I must be following the wrong RW media outlets...

Every single Faux News and right wing talking point has been shown to be brazenly false.

Except that, every thing in both summaries from sources I relied on tracked with what was in both summaries.

I don't pay attention to Hannity, RW talk radio, Fox and Friends, Breitbart, etc.

This may come as a shock, but there are some honest and diligent RW media figures who try hard to just get to the truth and also try hard to hold their biases in check while doing so.

#290 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 01:58 PM | Reply

"How are you spending your tax cut? An extra pizza night?"

No can do. That would require over a month of tax cuts.

#291 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 01:59 PM | Reply

Pencil Neck still claims he has proof of collusion. What a joke the Democrats have become.

#289 | Posted by wisgod at

It's a contest of Good versus Evil. It's never been easy. But un-Gerrymandering Wisconsin would be a big help.

#292 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 01:59 PM | Reply

I will say this - impeachment is officially off the table.

This is a ridiculous conclusion. There's more than enough in this report to impeach and remove the president. You'd never accept this from a Democratic president. It's worse than Nixon.

The only reason impeachment is off the table is because Senate Republicans are too corrupt to impeach Trump no matter what he does.

#293 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 11

#282 | POSTED BY JPW

Spot on... and they are still recycling the same lying talking points here today.

#294 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 01:59 PM | Reply

Like you'd get a tax break, Zed. Medicaid isn't income, POP. Either are free catheters

#295 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:00 PM | Reply

"Pencil Neck still claims he has proof of collusion."

Still pretending attempted collusion isn't attempted collusion?

#296 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 02:00 PM | Reply

Best thing this report can give to Democrats is some fodder where they can cherry-pick a few things here and there and try to make some political hay. Given that most of the air has been deflated out of this balloon, it's a tactic that might not work well and may even backfire a bit.

How is that different than the right?

The report unequivocally states there was Russian interference, that the investigation was started because of said interference (good bye investigation of the investigators), that Trump's team attempted to coordinate but couldn't (at least no concrete evidence that they did) and that Trump acted to obstruct justice.

Your crowing over this is like saying you were lucky to survive a car wreck as a quadriplegic.

#297 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:01 PM | Reply

The reason I say it's a bad day for the "Twas the Night Before Mueller" crowd is that Barr's assessment of what was summarized was pretty much spot-on and the redactions were indeed light and didn't appear to be hiding much of anything. Plenty of embarrassing things reported about Trump, especially in Volume II were left bare for the world to see, which comports will Barr's promise that he wouldn't redact stuff that would be embarrassing to Trump.

#298 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:01 PM | Reply

Impeach him without a charge after 2plus years. Good luck with that stupidity in 2020.

#299 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:02 PM | Reply

"Like you'd get a tax break, Zed."

Too rich: Wisgod giving his two cents on taxes.

Remind us of your marginal rate in Wisconsin, Wis. Still higher than everyone else in the state by a magnitude?

#300 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If Dems decide against initiating impeachment hearings because it would be inconvenient politically, then they are putting political expediency above the rule of law.

They don't have to decide to impeach, but this Report is certainly grounds for Hearings.

#301 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

jPencil NeckW

#302 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:03 PM | Reply

(N)Either are free catheters

#295 | Posted by wisgod

I pee when and where I please. It's my God-given right as a Texas.

#303 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:03 PM | Reply

Come on, WISGOD. You know you're on the losing side of this morally. Why doesn't that seem to matter to you?

#304 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:04 PM | Reply

The only reason impeachment is off the table is because Senate Republicans are too corrupt to impeach Trump no matter what he does.

#293 | POSTED BY RCADE

If that was the universal conclusion of House Democrats - if House Democrats came out and said that Trump deserves to be impeached over the contents of the report but the GOP Senate is so corrupt that this is the only reason we won't consider it....yeah, maybe that talking point might fly.

#305 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:04 PM | Reply

Stay on topic, DanWort. This thread isn't about your 3 year bruise.

#306 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:05 PM | Reply

It's my God-given right as a Texas.

#303 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18

That's right, I'm a Texas, not a Texan.

Trump is wearing off on me after all.

#307 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:06 PM | Reply

This may come as a shock, but there are some honest and diligent RW media figures who try hard to just get to the truth and also try hard to hold their biases in check while doing so.

#290 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I'm well aware of these extreme exceptions to the norm.

But they're not the ones who get the most air time, nor are they the ones who's segments and talking points are taken and run with by the cultists.

The mantra the past two years, by Trump, his spokespeople, the GOP and the cultists, has been the whole Russiagate thing is fake news drummed up by the deep state, Obama and Hillary in a pizza parlor basement as an attempted coup because they were bitter about the election.

NONE OF THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE REPORT!

How sad is it that, in light of the above, the right is wiping their collective brow that Trump likely won't be impeached because his conduct wasn't brazenly criminal?

F--- me. And the right says the left and Obama wanted to destroy the country? Take a look at your (all righties) own lack of standards and how far you've sunk out of pure partisan hackery.

#308 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Haha. I'm on the losing side. Ouch! Let me wrap my investments around my boo boo

#309 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:07 PM | Reply

Stay on topic, DanWort. This thread isn't about your 3 year bruise.

#306 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18

What it's about ultimately is why men volunteer themselves to be led by inferior beings.

I already asked you what your reason was.

#310 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:07 PM | Reply

jPencil NeckW

#302 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Better check those fries, cheesedick. You've got the lunch crowd lining up at the drive through.

#311 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:08 PM | Reply

There's more than enough in this report to impeach and remove the president.

That's true of any president. Impeachment is a political remedy, not a legal one. Iran Contra could have triggered an impeachment, but it didn't because the political will wasn't there. And THAT was a true bombshell. What came out in this report is far less than all of the MSM bombshells over the past couple of years that were proven false.

The GOP Senate isn't the reason you won't get articles of impeachment based on this report.

#312 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:08 PM | Reply

The reason I say it's a bad day for the "Twas the Night Before Mueller" crowd is that I'm only interested in the partisan scoreboard.

#298 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

FTFY

#313 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:08 PM | Reply

Haha. I'm on the losing side. Ouch! Let me wrap my investments around my boo boo

#309 | Posted by wisgod at

Well, yes. You're losing if you value being a good citizen and human being. But you value your money, so I guess you answered my question after all.

#314 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:09 PM | Reply

Come on, WISGOD. You know you're on the losing side of this morally. Why doesn't that seem to matter to you?

#304 | POSTED BY ZED

Because he has no morals?

#315 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:09 PM | Reply

"This thread isn't about your 3 year bruise."

I wasn't the one bruised, ninny: you were the one exposed as clueless and proud of it.

But I see you're still butt-hurt over your ignorance, and blister at the mention. Kewl.

#316 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 02:09 PM | Reply

Take a look at your (all righties) own lack of standards and how far you've sunk out of pure partisan hackery.

#308 | POSTED BY JPW

I am not going to speak for anyone other than myself as it pertains to your comment.

Which lack of standards am I applying to this report of our pure partisan hackery?

#317 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:10 PM | Reply

"The GOP Senate isn't the reason you won't get articles of impeachment based on this report."

If it were a Dem Senate would they?

If you honestly answer, then YES, the GOP Senate IS the reason.

#318 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 02:11 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences, JPWuss. So will the next one with the group you've got.

#319 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:11 PM | Reply

Which lack of standards am I applying to this report of our pure partisan hackery?

#317 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That this is somehow a good thing. In any way, shape or form.

#320 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:11 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences, JPWuss. So will the next one with the group you've got.

#319 | Posted by wisgod at 2019

You usually show here when the Trump news is bad. So how bad do you think it is?

#321 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:12 PM | Reply

Why do you still use the "Russian Bot" thingy? That was a proven to be a false narrative a long time ago and you still use it? Comeon. Don't disable yourself.

#270 | Posted by JordyPete

Actually that was proven to be true. You live in opposite world.

#322 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 02:12 PM | Reply

Elections have consequences, JPWuss. So will the next one with the group you've got.

#319 | POSTED BY WISGOD

JPWuss? You probably laughed at that as you typed it, didn't you you dumbf---.

#323 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:12 PM | Reply

So will the next one with the group you've got.

#319 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:11

The damned wishing for the advent of Hell.

Perhaps we are in the Last Days.

#324 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:13 PM | Reply

The GOP Senate isn't the reason you won't get articles of impeachment based on this report.

#312 | Posted by JeffJ

Yes it is. He would be impeached for obstruction if the GOP had any patriotism.

#325 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yes, Danforth. You mean so much to me after all. Someone as childish as you makes me reflect on third world children

#326 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:13 PM | Reply

Or abuse of power...

#327 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 02:14 PM | Reply

Someone as childish as you makes me reflect on third world children

#326 | POSTED BY WISGOD

You calling somebody else childish. That's rich.

#328 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:14 PM | Reply

Someone as childish as you makes me reflect on third world children

#326 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:13 PM | Reply |

As dinner?

#329 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:14 PM | Reply

The reason I say it's a bad day for the "Twas the Night Before Mueller" crowd is that I'm only interested in the partisan scoreboard.

#298 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

FTFY

#313 | POSTED BY JPW


Says the same go who admonished Jordy Pete with:

Unless you're going to do something other than regurgitate right wing talking points and BS f--- off.
Moron.

POSTED BY JPW

I'm wearing my political hat and my reactions thus far are based primarily upon the conclusions of the reports coupled with Barr's commentary and the political ramifications of it. That's it.

If you aren't going to do something other than regurgitate straw man arguments and BS, eff off.

#330 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:14 PM | Reply

Haha, I laughed at your response, potty mouth. Typical

#331 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:15 PM | Reply

If that was the universal conclusion of House Democrats - if House Democrats came out and said that Trump deserves to be impeached over the contents of the report but the GOP Senate is so corrupt that this is the only reason we won't consider it....yeah, maybe that talking point might fly.

Instead of admitting that Senate Republicans would never remove Trump from office for anything, you want to change the subject to House Democrats.

I can understand why you would do this. Under Republican control the Senate is a gang of crooks following the lead of their corrupt president. You're going to keep avoiding that subject forever so you don't have to admit that the GOP has become a criminal enterprise unworthy of your support.

#332 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Come on, WISGOD. Trump is a punk, and worse than that. Doesn't hurt as a simple matter of pride to have him lead you?

#333 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:16 PM | Reply

I did it without emotion or F-bombs, #Drama Queen

#334 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:17 PM | Reply

"Mueller didn't accuse Trump of a crime, in large part, because he didn't think he could -- and not necessarily because the evidence was so inconclusive. That's hugely significant, because it takes some sting out of the argument that Mueller didn't find a crime -- or, as Trump has claimed, "totally exonerated" him."

.

"For instance, we knew that Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had shared polling data with a business associate, Konstantin Kilimnik. Kilimnik is a man who the U.S. government said had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence. We also knew they met during the campaign.

Now we know it went beyond that.

When the two met in August 2016, according to the report, they discussed not just a pro-Russian Ukraine "peace plan" but also how they "believed the plan would require candidate Trump's assent (were he to be elected president)."

They also discussed Manafort's plan to win voters in key Midwestern states. And importantly, the report says, "the sharing (of polling) continued for some period of time after their August meeting."

Also, we learned for the first time, definitively, that Russia attacked the Clinton campaign's email system after Trump publicly suggested it should: see link"

We knew they were attacked around the time Trump made this statement. Now we know they came the same day and after Trump said it."

.

"One of the most intriguing parts of this report is the window it provides into how Trump's aides view him. We've had many leaks suggesting internal discord in the White House, but here the aides were compelled to tell the truth.

And a common thread is forming: Trump often asks aides to offer narratives or deny things they won't or can't deny."

excerpts from "3 early takeaways from the Mueller report"

www.washingtonpost.com

#335 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 02:17 PM | Reply

If it were a Dem Senate would they?

No. They honestly wouldn't.

I don't see any way there is sufficient public support for impeachment based upon this report, especially due to how much it has been over-hyped for the past 2+ years.

It's a political remedy. If the public isn't on board (and it doesn't appear to be) there is no way Dems would make a serious push on impeachment even if they had the Senate.

#336 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:17 PM | Reply

This will be like Bush v Gore 7-2 & 5-4 votes.

This will be like the Senate vote: not a single Democrat voted to remove Clinton.

This will be like who invented liquid soap and why.

There will never be an accepted decision.

#337 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 02:18 PM | Reply

Look, I'm really trying to understand. It would go far towards explaining why countries fail and civilizations fall if we knew why people come to admire and follow bad men.

#338 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:18 PM | Reply

Says the same go who admonished Jordy Pete with

LOL I know you are but what am I isn't a good response.

And do you disagree with my statement to Jordy? Are you going to claim he was doing anything other than posting demonstrably false talking points?

If you aren't going to do something other than regurgitate straw man arguments and BS, eff off.

#330 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Pointing out the short sightedness and bias in your analysis isn't "regurgitating straw man arguments".

Whether or not the report was enough to remove Trump from office wasn't the be all end all. At least not for some of us...

#339 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:19 PM | Reply

Haha, I laughed at your response, potty mouth. Typical

#331 | POSTED BY WISGOD

I'm sorry, would it be better if I made a lame joke about catheters being income?

Some people really are just too ---- stupid to know how stupid they are.

#340 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No. They honestly wouldn't.

You honestly have no idea what would happen if the Senate had enough votes to remove Trump. He's worse than Nixon. He'd probably resign to avoid the shame of being removed, just like Tricky Dick.

The biggest reason House Democrats aren't impeaching Trump is that it won't result in his removal from office. So they are focusing on removing him in 2020.

#341 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That this is somehow a good thing. In any way, shape or form.

#320 | POSTED BY JPW

It's good in the sense that we are approaching some finality on all of this. I've been consistent in that let's wait for the report to be released and let the chips fall where they may. I have been repeatedly admonished over the past couple of years by taking that approach, notably by Speaks, but Speaks wasn't alone on that.

Today, I'm trying to be matter-of-fact with my commentary. I am not trying to gloat in any way and if that's how I've come across in any of my posts, then I'll try even harder to better articulate what I'm trying to convey so that I'm not misconstrued.

#342 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:21 PM | Reply

Just like the "no collusion" crowd, anyone thinking that the Mueller Report in and of itself was going to be the ipso facto grounds for impeachment have obviously ignored the myriad, countless stories on how the investigations into the Watergate break in ultimately led to the resignation of President Nixon. Key point: It wasn't the investigative report that led to his resignation, it was the Congressional inquiry that utilized leads and evidence coming from the outside investigation.

Mueller's report sets the grounds for further congressional investigations and witness testimony regarding the multiple instances of President Trump violating his oath of office by his overt refusal to "faithfully execute the Office of the President," full stop. I can't think of anything more germane to a President's fitness for office than whether he upholds laws or continuously tries to circumvent laws and attacks those investigating possible crimes by any and all means necessary to protect himself, particularly on issues nowhere related to the nation's best interests and security, and in actuality in direct opposition to them as matters of fact.

Trump's behaviors and decisions before he was inaugurated and more importantly after taking office are more than enough to justify new investigations as well as support ongoing ones surrounding known incidents. It should not be inferred that any impeachment inquiry is bound to lead to Trump's ouster, but it certainly can provide needed insight and under-oath testimony to the breadth of what actually transpired due to his actions since 2016. Americans deserve no less.

#343 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-04-18 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ask Obama and Holder. Your standards are laughable. Remember Obama explaining Russian interference when you sheep ate it up?
A squirrel has a longer memory span than you clowns

#344 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:22 PM | Reply

I can understand why you would do this. Under Republican control the Senate is a gang of crooks following the lead of their corrupt president. You're going to keep avoiding that subject forever so you don't have to admit that the GOP has become a criminal enterprise unworthy of your support.

#332 | POSTED BY RCADE

I naively (and foolishly) hoped the release of this report would reset the conversation and we could at least have a more honest one based on a confirmed set of facts.

But I see the gaslighting of the conclusions has already begun and new excuses are being conjured to justify the continued cult like adherence to Trump.

#345 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:23 PM | Reply

I've been consistent in that let's wait for the report to be released and let the chips fall where they may.

Will you admit that Mueller's refusal to consider indicting Trump is the biggest reason he wasn't indicted?

#346 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Remember Obama explaining Russian interference

#344 | Posted by wisgod

No, actually. Feel free to explain. It would be nice to get some response from you.

#347 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:24 PM | Reply

The president immediately recognized the threat of the investigation. When he learned of Mr. Mueller's appointment, he slumped in his chair and said, "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm f**ked."

If this were Obama, having done ONE thing Trump has, y'all on the right would have called for his resignation.

Hypocrites.

#348 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Also, we learned for the first time, definitively, that Russia attacked the Clinton campaign's email system after Trump publicly suggested it should: see link"

We knew they were attacked around the time Trump made this statement. Now we know they came the same day and after Trump said it."

And these Trump Apologists like Dulli and JordyP wonder why they are called Comrade and asked about their ruble income.

They must be SO proud of their Dear Leader.

#349 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 02:24 PM | Reply

Has Trump or anyone in the GOP condemned Russia's interference in the 2016 election yet?!?

#350 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Focusing on 2020? Looks more like the House is focused on 3 freshmen members who couldn't open a door without instructions

#351 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:24 PM | Reply

Strange the Dems won't impeach Trump because 'they know' he won't be removed.

How do they know without forcing the Senate.

The Republicans impeached Clinton. We know by the vote where Democrats stood on the conviction.

#352 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 02:25 PM | Reply

LOL I know you are but what am I isn't a good response.

Sure it is. I'm holding you to the same standard you are holding others.

Pointing out the short sightedness and bias in your analysis isn't "regurgitating straw man arguments".

That's not what you were doing. You were specifically assigning a position to me that I wasn't taking. But, maybe that's on me - see #342.

You honestly have no idea what would happen if the Senate had enough votes to remove Trump.

Neither do you, which is why your original question really was a non-starter and I should have treated it as such in lieu of responding with speculation of my own.

#353 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:25 PM | Reply

Remember Trump explaining Russian interference?

Well of course you don't. Trump denies such interference, even to this day.

#354 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember Obama explaining Russian interference when you sheep ate it up?

You mean the multi-approach interference the report lays out that is well documented and the reason the FBI began it's investigation into Trump campaign personnel?

That interference?

Maybe you should at least read the summaries before opening your fly trap (other than to breath, of course).

#355 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:25 PM | Reply

But I see the gaslighting of the conclusions has already begun and new excuses are being conjured to justify the continued cult like adherence to Trump.

The people who support Trump will never clean that stink off.

The people who do not oppose Trump will never clean that stink off.

#356 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Today, I'm trying to be matter-of-fact with my commentary. I am not trying to gloat in any way and if that's how I've come across in any of my posts, then I'll try even harder to better articulate what I'm trying to convey so that I'm not misconstrued.

#342 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Fair enough.

#357 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:27 PM | Reply

Has Trump or anyone in the GOP condemned Russia's interference in the 2016 election yet?!?

#350 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019

Never explained and never admitted. And some complain when others see treason.

#358 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:27 PM | Reply

Mueller's decision not to indict?

No reasonable prosecutor would bring a case.

#359 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 02:27 PM | Reply

A lot of cons struggling with the reality of the situation right now. I guess it's hard to admit when the best con is a -------.

#360 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-18 02:27 PM | Reply

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even -- you could even rig America's elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved," Obama said during a press conference at the White House in October 2016.

#361 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:28 PM | Reply

"Whether or not the report was enough to remove Trump from office wasn't the be all end all. At least not for some of us..."

There is plenty there to remove him from office but we don't have a Senate that would convict no matter how much evidence is presented.

#362 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 02:28 PM | Reply

How do they know without forcing the Senate.

They have a brain.

Unlike anyone who would ask such a ridiculous question.

#363 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Choke on it, deniers

#364 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:29 PM | Reply

"... the investigations into the Watergate break in ultimately led to the resignation of President Nixon. Key point: It wasn't the investigative report that led to his resignation, it was the Congressional inquiry that utilized leads and evidence coming from the outside investigation."

Which we will have; a Congressional investigation that could ALSO invoke initiation of impeachment hearings if that is the only way they can get the full, unredacted Report... which could still lead to Trump's political demise.

#365 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 02:29 PM | Reply

Strange the Dems won't impeach Trump because 'they know' he won't be removed.

We all know that. It takes 67 votes. There would need to be 18 Republicans willing to remove him. Nobody believes that is possible.

#366 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Will you admit that Mueller's refusal to consider indicting Trump is the biggest reason he wasn't indicted?

#346 | POSTED BY RCADE

See: Page 12 starts with Overarching Factual Issues.

When I read that which came immediately after all of the other stuff in the summary in Volume II, there is no way Mueller could recommend an indictment, regardless of DOJ guidelines governing indicting a sitting President.

#367 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:29 PM | Reply

Choke on it, deniers

#364 | POSTED BY WISGOD AT 2019-04-18 02:29 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Changing the topic is pretty weak.

#368 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-18 02:30 PM | Reply

Vol. II, Page 75: Substantial evidence indicates that the catalyst for the president's decision to fire Comey was Comey's unwillingness to publicly state that the president was not personally under investigation, despite the president's repeated requests that Comey make such an announcement.

#369 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sure it is. I'm holding you to the same standard you are holding others.

What standard is that exactly? I was admonishing Jordy for chirping long repeated talking points that were a. known to be untrue for as long as they've been trotted out and b. directly contradicted by the report.

That's not what you were doing. You were specifically assigning a position to me that I wasn't taking. But, maybe that's on me - see #342.

I took your focus on Barr being correct/incorrect to be blinders. I thought we cleared that up?

#370 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:31 PM | Reply

I don't want to get too far ahead of things...I STILL haven't read the meat of the 2 concurrent reports. Also, Barr and Mueller are both set to testify to congress within 2 or 3 weeks.

So, perhaps I'm jumping to conclusions a bit too prematurely...

#371 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:32 PM | Reply

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even -- you could even rig America's elections, in part, because they are so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved," Obama said during a press conference at the White House in October 2016.

#361 | Posted by wisgod at

First, let me say it's great to see you still have a pulse.

Second, are you trying to tell me the Russians didn't interfere with the presidential election of 2016? Are you -------- me?

#372 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:32 PM | Reply

#369

Yeah, but see that's OK behavior for a Pres as far as Trump apologists are concerned.... which means not at all concerned about the rule of law.

#373 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 02:33 PM | Reply

Geez, Bruce. What was the investigation about again? Trump spitting on a sidewalk?

#374 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:33 PM | Reply

I took your focus on Barr being correct/incorrect to be blinders. I thought we cleared that up?

#370 | POSTED BY JPW

That's not how it came across. Thanks for the clarification. With that, we have cleared that up. :-)

#375 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:33 PM | Reply

The Mueller report goes to show the advantage of engaging in nefarious behavior and having lawyers on staff. This also shows that Trump engaged in activities the Constitution never considered occurring. Barr ought to resign.

He mis-characterized many of Mueller's conclusions. It's clear there were contacts between Trump and the Russians but that the evidence didn't rise to the level where they could be criminally prosecuted. Instead of stating this Barr puts on a show and says the Mueller report exonerates Trump.

Mueller clearly felt limited in the scope of his actions by DOJ policy not to indict a President and Barr flat out lied about Mueller's failure to come to a conclusion about obstruction. Barr also exhibited super-human powers claiming to know what Trump was thinking or feeling which is simply not possible. His press conference was an abomination

#376 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#361 | Posted by wisgod at

You're attempting to play a semantic game between words such as "rig" and "influence".

But you know that. Why would you want to?

#377 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:34 PM | Reply

Zed, he said it. Take it up with your Messiah. History is a bitch

#378 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:34 PM | Reply

--Congress could get "adequate" answers from the Turd in Chief during an impeachment proceeding.... since the Investigation could not.

Then they should hold impeachment hearings. What are they waiting for? It's the principled thing to do regardless of what happens in the Senate--if they actually believe what they say.

#379 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 02:35 PM | Reply

Barr should resign for Charges never presented. Derp.

#380 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:36 PM | Reply

Zed, he said it. Take it up with your Messiah. History is a bitch

#378 | Posted by wisgod

WISGOD---Did the Russians interfere with the 2016 election?

#381 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:36 PM | Reply

Trump Still Hasn't Condemned Russia for Meddling in the 2016 Election

The president has denied wrongdoing, played the victim, and refrained from criticizing Russia's role in the election.

Traitor

#382 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Come on, WISGOD. Man up. Manhood is more than what you've got in your pants.

#383 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:37 PM | Reply

Come on, WISGOD. Man up. Manhood is more than what you've got in your pants.

#383 | POSTED BY ZED

Wis will easily fulfill that low of a bar...

#384 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:39 PM | Reply

Meddling on Social Media? Oh, my God! Everything is true on there !

#385 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:40 PM | Reply

If WISGOD can't concede that the Russians interfered with out elections in 2016 then he's obliquely placed his finger on why Trumpism is so un-American.

#386 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:40 PM | Reply

Meddling on Social Media? Oh, my God! Everything is true on there !

#385 | Posted by wisgod at

You fascinate me.

#387 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:41 PM | Reply

... there is no way Mueller could recommend an indictment ...

If Mueller thought there was no way he could recommend an indictment, he would have said that.

Instead, here's the conclusion of the report: "Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgement. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Mueller's refusal to consider indicting Trump is the biggest reason he wasn't indicted. You and others want to claim that he weighed the evidence and judged it insufficient to prosecute, but we can all see that's not how this went down. A prosecutor who wasn't willing to indict somebody didn't indict him.

#388 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

In single syllables just for you, JPee

#389 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:41 PM | Reply

"Here are 7 key lines from the Mueller report

Trump campaign "expected" help from Russians but did not conspire

Here's how the report put it:

"[T]he investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts..."

Aides refused to help efforts to obstruct

Mueller reports that because aides and advisers to Trump refused to "carry out orders," the President was prevented from influencing the special counsel's investigation.

Here's the relevant line: "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

Mueller says Congress can pursue investigation of Trump obstruction

Members of Congress will zero in on one critical section in Mueller's report. The special counsel provides a constitutional justification for its own investigation, but also points out that Congress can also apply obstruction laws in investigating and impeaching a sitting president.

Here's the relevant line in the report: "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

The report also cites Supreme Court precedent and the separation of powers to say "the Constitution does not categorically and permanently immunize a President for obstructing justice."

much more at the link

www.cnn.com

This Report is basically saying that "yeah, the criminal robbed the bank, but he wasn't in our jurisdiction".

#390 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 02:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 9

Meddling on Social Media?

#385 | Posted by wisgod at 2019

Did the Russians interfere?

You won't say it, will you?

#391 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:42 PM | Reply

That's nice Zed. But I'm straight. Not Corkyish

#392 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 02:43 PM | Reply

In single syllables just for you, JPee

#389 | Posted by wisgod at 2019

What have you people got against honesty? What did it ever do to you?

#393 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:43 PM | Reply

That's nice Zed.

#392 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-

Answer the question or go away.

Seriously.

#394 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-18 02:45 PM | Reply

Mueller's refusal to consider indicting Trump is the biggest reason he wasn't indicted. You and others want to claim that he weighed the evidence and judged it insufficient to prosecute, but we can all see that's not how this went down. A prosecutor who wasn't willing to indict somebody didn't indict him.

#388 | POSTED BY RCADE

A prosecutor either indicts or he doesn't. He issued plenty of indictments during the course of this investigation.

#395 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:45 PM | Reply

"A prosecutor either indicts or he doesn't. "

Does anything change when the person is the President?

ANYTHING?

Think hard.

#396 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 02:47 PM | Reply

People read into the report want to read or mentally redact from the report anything that they don't want to read. It's a modern Rorshach Test. Certain things though can not be denied. The report indicates ten ways in which Trump may have obstructed justice. It is up to Congress to decide whether or not to impeach him for it. (Which is another way of saying that anyone who feels the report "exonerates" Trump is a liar or a fool.)

#397 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-04-18 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

A prosecutor either indicts or he doesn't. He issued plenty of indictments during the course of this investigation.

This is an idiotic thing to say when Mueller's conclusion, which I quoted to you in the comment you are responding to, explains clearly that he refused to consider an indictment of Trump.

#398 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Flip it.

If Trump was a dem, the R's impeach, and the dems controlled the Senate, would they remove THEIR president?

Of course not, Clinton remained.

Both parties protect their own. All the ridicule of the R's in the Senate are no different than the D's during Clinton.

Feel free to depend either aisle.

Both parties suck

#399 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 02:50 PM | Reply

"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgement. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

That is the one major criticism I have with this report (so far). To me, that comes across as weasel-words. Either sufficient evidence exists that a crime was committed, or it doesn't. After nearly 2 years you'd think he wouldn't talk out of both sides of his mouth in respect to what I just reproduced.

Hopefully a reputable source, Lawfareblog, or something like that, can distill down and explain why Mueller framed it this way. To this layman, that makes no sense.

#400 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 02:51 PM | Reply

"The evidence does indicate that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns," the report states."

www.politico.com

#401 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 02:51 PM | Reply

In single syllables just for you, JPee

#389 | POSTED BY WISGOD

LOL the obtuse idiot acting like he's the smart one.

#402 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:52 PM | Reply

Meddling on Social Media? Oh, my God! Everything is true on there !
#385 | Posted by wisgod at
You fascinate me.

#387 | POSTED BY ZED

Interesting. I find cultists disgusting.

#403 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 02:53 PM | Reply

Petrous: Your comment pretends that what Clinton did and what Trump did are equally bad.

Nobody believes that, even the sad sacks who resort to bothsidism.

Clinton lied about an extramarital affair. If that's an offense worthy of removal from office, Trump illegally paid hush money to the porn star he was ------- behind the back of his wife who just gave birth to his son.

#404 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

A prosecutor either indicts or he doesn't. He issued plenty of indictments during the course of this investigation.

#395 | Posted by JeffJ

Mueller explained that the reason he didn't indict was that although Trump definitely tried to obstruct the investigation in a number on instances - firing Comey, telling McGhan to have Mueller fired, encouraging others to lie, etc - a president has powers under Article II to fire the FBI director, Mueller, etc.

None of that means Trump didn't commit obstruction.

And Trump's reaction, "I'm f**cked" upon hearing of Mueller's appointment, says volumes about his guilt before the investigation even started.

#405 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 02:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Did he lie about it under oath? If he did you have a point.

#406 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 02:56 PM | Reply

To me, that comes across as weasel-words. ... Hopefully a reputable source, Lawfareblog, or something like that, can distill down and explain why Mueller framed it this way. To this layman, that makes no sense.

Mueller wasn't playing games with words.

Lawfare is just going to explain what reporters and experts have said for a long time: It is DOJ policy never to indict a president. Mueller followed that policy.

It's a terrible policy that means presidents can commit crimes with impunity while in office. But it's perfect for a president who wants to commit crimes.

#407 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Did he lie about it under oath?

Trump refused to answer questions under oath.

#408 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Did he lie about it under oath? If he did you have a point."

That is exactly why he didn't allow Mueller to question him under oath.

#409 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 02:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Equally bad or enough to be removed from office?

I do believe Clinton should have been removed from office. Perjury to a grand jury and obstruction.

Do you disagree these are cause for removal?

As for Trump, bring the charges and convict. That's what Congress needs to do.

Impeach and I gladly support removal.

#410 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 03:01 PM | Reply

"Choke on it, deniers"

Speaking of denial: did Team Trump lie over 100 times about contacts with Russians, or not?

More to the point, did they lie to you because they respect you, or because they're playing you like a sucker?

#411 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:01 PM | Reply

Barr intentionally misled the public about the Mueller Report in his memo four weeks ago.

Look at this partial quote he used and what the rest said:

twitter.com

#412 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

As for Trump, bring the charges and convict. That's what Congress needs to do.

Impeach and I gladly support removal.

#410 | Posted by Petrous

You know darned well Republicans in the Senate will never do that. Hell, they've been his water boys.

Knowing they'll never convict him in the Senate for hat reason, do you still support Trump or not?

#413 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 03:03 PM | Reply

"I do believe Clinton should have been removed from office."

He shouldn't have even asked those questions, it was totally irrelevant to the Whitewater investigation. I was glad he was not convicted in the Senate.

#414 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 03:03 PM | Reply

Mueller explained that the reason he didn't indict was that although Trump definitely tried to obstruct the investigation in a number on instances - firing Comey, telling McGhan to have Mueller fired, encouraging others to lie, etc - a president has powers under Article II to fire the FBI director, Mueller, etc.
None of that means Trump didn't commit obstruction.
#405 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Unless I'm wrong, this is the first time the question of whether or not it constitutes obstruction of justice for a POTUS to fire the man investigating him.

I would have to imagine Mueller wasn't too keen on breaking that new legal ground all on his own. So he necessarily issued a conservative report.

#415 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 03:04 PM | Reply

Do you disagree these are cause for removal?

Telling a lie about an embarrassing extramarital affair is a flimsy reason to remove a president.

Knowing that Russia is committing crimes against your opponent to help you win the presidency and obstructing justice to hide your involvement with them is a rock-solid reason to remove a president.

#416 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"the porn star he was ------- behind the back of his wife who just gave birth to his son."

So schtupping gets censored??? Call the Blog God!

#417 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:06 PM | Reply

Barr intentionally misled the public about the Mueller Report in his memo four weeks ago.
Look at this partial quote he used and what the rest said:
twitter.com

#412 | POSTED BY RCADE

But but this report exonerates Trump and clearly shows Barr was as pure as the driven snow!

Barr would never risk his reputation (as a fixer) to accurately portray the truth, right? LOL it's cute how some people are so naively hopeful.

#418 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 03:06 PM | Reply

He shouldn't have even asked those questions, it was totally irrelevant to the Whitewater investigation. I was glad he was not convicted in the Senate.

If Trump was questioned under oath about anything, is there a single person here who thinks he wouldn't lie?

The only way he can escape perjury is if he never speaks under oath.

#419 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 03:07 PM | Reply

Unless I'm wrong, this is the first time the question of whether or not it constitutes obstruction of justice for a POTUS to fire the man investigating him.

If Trump knew he was innocent, his reaction on the appointment of Mueller would have been along the lines of "Meh, let them investigate. I have nothing to hide" instead of taking all the measures he did to thwart, disparage, and end the investigation.

#420 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 03:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not surprised by Mueller's unwillingness to indict the President, the founders put impeachment in the Constitution as the method by which to charge a President with crimes or misdemeanors.
That is how it is supposed to be done.

#421 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 03:07 PM | Reply

Knowing that Russia is committing crimes against your opponent to help you win the presidency and obstructing justice to hide your involvement with them is a rock-solid reason to remove a president.

#416 | POSTED BY RCADE

Bingo.

#422 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgement. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
From what I've heard from more knowledgeable commentators, Mueller indeed was never going to indict Trump regardless of the evidence because of the DOJ memo and the myriad ramifications of indicting a sitting President and their inability to defend themselves after the fact. The ONLY THING Mueller could have done in this report would have been to exonerate Trump, something he clearly states he could not do. Since Mueller could not return an indictment, he did not pursue all the avenues of investigation at his disposal that would have/could have been used if he had the power to indict. If Trump were indictable, Mueller would have likely subpoenaed Trump to appear before the grand jury to answer questions (unlike allowing him to return 37 written questions with variations of "I don't recall the specifics of said events...(paraphrase)" as he did. Also the other witnesses who lied to Mueller would have likely been charged for their transgressions though such charges might still be forthcoming at a later date.

In short, because Mueller could not indict, he did not utilize all his power to uncover more facts even when faced with lies and obstinance from witnesses. Instead he issued a template that Congress could follow and use to decide themselves whether evidence and future testimony in front of congressional committees may indeed provide enough evidence for them to act regarding the President's conduct and actions.

#423 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-04-18 03:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There are 25 criminal cases referred or transferred by Mueller. Of those 25, 13 are still redacted. Congress needs the unredacted report as per 6(e)(3)(D). That's 13 criminal cases redacted.

Muller's report specifically states that if they could exonerate Trump, they would. But there is too much evidence to the contrary and so they can NOT exonerate Trump.

#424 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why has Trump done NOTHING in response to Russians interfering in our elections?

His actions and lack of action as president over that one particular and conclusively determined act by an adversary should be reason enough for any patriotic American to turn their backs on him.

#425 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#423 Tony

Beat me to it. Mueller says EXPLICITLY that Trump is NOT exonerated and there exists evidence with which to consider criminal prosecution.

#426 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 03:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dear Trumpers and associated Apologists:
If there was "NO COLLUSION!", then why was there so much LYING and WHY would Trump say "this is the end of my presidency"?

Looking forward to your spin and deflecitons.

#427 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-04-18 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Mueller says EXPLICITLY that Trump is NOT exonerated"

And based on that, Trump claims he was "totally exonerated".

How many Rs are eating that lie for breakfast this morning?

#428 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:13 PM | Reply

How many Rs are eating that lie for breakfast this morning?

#428 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

They've already finished it.

They're absence from the thread suddenly means they've gone back for seconds.

#429 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 03:15 PM | Reply

Mueller can't exonerate.

#430 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-18 03:15 PM | Reply

"If there was "NO COLLUSION!"..."

...It wasn't for lack of trying.

"If it's what you say, I love it"
~Junior

#431 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:17 PM | Reply

I did it without emotion or F-bombs, #Drama Queen

#334 | Posted by wisgod

Your ability to remain calm while defending crook is truly impressive. clap clap clap.

#432 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mueller can't exonerate.

#430 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Funny, trump said he was exonerated. Is he a liar?

#433 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 03:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Funny, trump said he was exonerated. Is he a liar?"

Ooh, Ooh...I know the answer! Call on me, teach!!!

#434 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won't be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me,"

The rest of the quote, and he wasn't wrong

#435 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-18 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not surprised by Mueller's unwillingness to indict the President, the founders put impeachment in the Constitution as the method by which to charge a President with crimes or misdemeanors.
That is how it is supposed to be done.

#421 | Posted by danni

The founders never imagined a party as corrupt, unpatriotic, or treasonous as the modern GOP.

#436 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If it is rock solid, impeach.

After impeachment, every Republican in the Senate takes the same risk as every Dem did in Clinton's case. Let the votes fall where they may.

I don't care to hear about what the Dems think he did. Impeach him. Prove Trump dis it. It's rock solid. What more is needed to start impeachment.

I blame Pelosi because she wouldn't impeach Bush and I thought he was worse than this...like comparing Trump to Clinton.

Pelosi is the reason, will be the reason, Trump is reelected if she doesnt impeach him now

#437 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm correct as well, we arent a democracy, but because I'm a conservative, you wont admit it.

#87 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Emphasis on 'con'

You are a traitorous stain on the military.

#438 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To me that's a crime.
#126 | POSTED BY PEGASUS

To me, institutional racism is a crime.

And yet here we are. The law is what's written, non-subjective.

#439 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-18 03:24 PM | Reply

"This is the worst thing that ever happened to me."

Don't run for president if you've spent a lifetime doing dirty and illegal ---- and you can never speak three sentences without telling a lie.

#440 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

At least start it. It doesnt even need to finish. Trump is done if impeachment starts by the nomination cycle.

If he was smart, snark, Pence does a Ford

#441 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 03:25 PM | Reply

I enjoy how much Boaz loves saying "we aren't a democracy." It's an acknowledgement that he knows Republicans can't win a majority of the vote any more.

#442 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

At least start it. It doesnt even need to finish.

The Democrats can cast a spotlight on Trump's criminality and unfitness for office with Congressional investigations. Maybe they will impeach him, but it seems like they'd rather focus on kicking his sorry ass out of D.C. in 2020.

#443 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Don't run for president if you've spent a lifetime doing dirty and illegal ---- and you can never speak three sentences without telling a lie.

#440 | POSTED BY RCADE

I've been saying it since he was elected - winning the election was the worst thing that could have happened to him. It put all of his ---- under a microscope in a way that never would have happened had he lost. Instead, he'd be working on his media empire and would likely have been far better off.

#444 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

it seems like they'd rather focus on kicking his sorry ass out of D.C. in 2020.

#443 | POSTED BY RCADE

That would be a far more productive use of their time, at this point.

#445 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 03:30 PM | Reply

#430 | POSTED BY ANDREA

"Mueller can't exonerate Trump"

And that's a lie. Because Mueller says the opposite in his report. He says if he could say Trump didn't obstruct justice he would. But confidently saying Trump did not obstruct justice is not a true statement so therefore Mueller won't say it.

#446 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 03:33 PM | Reply

"The Democrats can cast a spotlight on Trump's criminality and unfitness"

I'm looking forward to the debate moment when Trump's opponent starts listing the provable lies. My guess is it'll take at least an hour.

#447 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:38 PM | Reply

#428
#429

Exactly. My biggest concern is that in an effort to respond to Trump's claim of total exoneration Dems and the media are not setting the narrative. The Media needs to report and quote the report, not chase the 1000 lies being told by Trump and Co.

#448 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 03:41 PM | Reply

#447

That's one reason I believe Buttigieg is the right candidate for 2020. He has the wit and intellect to destroy Trump in a debate and seems to have no qualms about making bold assertions..and supporting them by facts.

#449 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 03:43 PM | Reply

Whatever. Lets have an impeachment and see what happens. I'm tired of your liberal BS. It's going to be a shame for the country that every President gets put "under indictment" as soon as they come into office.

Something you liberals have started.

#450 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-18 03:46 PM | Reply

"Something you liberals have started."

What a maroon.

Let me guess: Nixon was the victim of a witch hunt.

#451 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:48 PM | Reply

Trump should should fire everyone in the FBI and justice department involved in promoting the Russian collusion hoax. It's not obstructing justice to thwart an unjust investigation of a non-crime.

#452 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-18 03:50 PM | Reply

"every President gets put "under indictment" as soon as they come into office."

Never happened to Obama.
You hate Obama.
LOL

#453 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 03:50 PM | Reply

From the report...

"obstruction of a criminal prosecution is punishable...even if the investigation reveals no underlying crime"

So the intent Mueller lays out is enough to prosecute Trump. I am shocked at how absolutely 180 degrees from Barr's report the actual redacted report is. Screw the redactions. There is enough here to begin impeachment proceedings.

#454 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump should should fire everyone in the FBI and justice department involved in promoting the Russian collusion hoax."

Exactly. Just like we should fire every policeman and investigator when they don't produce prosecutable results...right?

Do you even read what you're writing before you post???

#455 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not sure how people are missing this:

George Papdopoulos is now confirmed to have multiple Russian contacts and know about the Russian possession of Clinton emails while serving on the Trump campaign.

This is proven Collusion by the campaign but not by Trump.

The only thing missing is proving Trump knew about it.

#456 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-18 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's going to be a shame for the country that every President gets put "under indictment" as soon as they come into office.

Something you liberals have started.

#450 | Posted by boaz

If dems ever elect a crook like your party did I hope they get impeached too. Problem is dems dont love crooks like your cult does so they wont elect one.

Trump should get impeached because his actions deserve it. You live in a bubble so you think they're attacking him for no reason and they'd do the same thing to anyone. Trump isn't anyone. He's a lifelong con man. You cant see it because you're a moron. Or you see it and approve of him anyway because you're a bad person.

#457 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 03:55 PM | Reply

"Trump should should fire everyone in the FBI and justice department involved in promoting the Russian collusion hoax."

Nobody at Justice or FBI promoted collusion.
Merely investigated it.

#458 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 03:56 PM | Reply

It's not obstructing justice to thwart an unjust investigation of a non-crime.

#452 | Posted by visitor_

Yes it is. Sorry. It's also abuse of power.

Remember how hard your cult was spiking the football and dancing in the endzone a few weeks ago?

Different story today isn't it. Now you're back to "crimes aren't really crimes!"

#459 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 03:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent counsels it ruins your presidency. It takes years and years and I won 't be able to do anything. This is the worst thing that ever happened to me."

Posted by rcade

Thanks for including the clarifying part of the quote, RCade.

Turns out Trump was half right. The Special Counsel did take years, but Trump was still able to get a lot done, including turning the table on the traitors that sought to frame him.

Trump's perception at the time that the Special Counsel was the worst thing that ever happened will no doubt flavor his enjoyment of pursuing the traitors.

#460 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 03:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm ------."

From your lips to God's ears, Donnie. Happy Holy Thursday!

#461 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 03:59 PM | Reply

The Special Counsel did take years, but Trump was still able to get a lot done, including turning the table on the traitors that sought to frame him.

The traitors who sought to frame him? Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I could not have more pity for you than I do at this moment.

#462 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 04:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Yeah, what a feat.
#214 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Sarcasm aside, indeed. One in which follows the pendulum swinging pattern recent history has offered. You can expect the Senate to be taken by the Dems and Trump to win again in 2020 just as I do.

The question then becomes will the Dems have the balls to impeach with that much power.

#463 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-18 04:01 PM | Reply

I enjoy how much Boaz loves saying "we aren't a democracy." It's an acknowledgement that he knows Republicans can't win a majority of the vote any more.

#442 | Posted by rcade

Such insipid talking points the Dems are pushing these days.

Tell it to Abe Lincoln, Boss.

Or Bill Clinton, for that matter.

#464 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:02 PM | Reply

"the traitors that sought to frame him."

Frame him for what? The guy was lying left and right, and his Team was meeting with Russians on a seemingly daily basis.

Were the investigators surveilling Kislyak really supposed to turn off the recorders when AG Jeff Sessions walked in???

"pursuing the traitors."

The only traitors in the bunch are the ones who believe a sitting President is immune...provided he's on the correct "team".

#465 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump's perception at the time that the Special Counsel was the worst thing that ever happened will no doubt flavor his enjoyment of pursuing the traitors.

#460 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Delusion. The traitors are the people INVESTIGATING russians interfering with our election. Not the people who happily accepted that assistance without telling law enforcement.

The only way trump's team isnt the traitors is if you're russian.

But please, tell us how trump was "FRAMED" so we can laugh at you.

#466 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 04:03 PM | Reply

...pursuing the traitors.
#460 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

HAHAHA! The idiocy is not surprising, but refreshing.

#467 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-18 04:03 PM | Reply

"This is the worst thing that ever happened to me,"

Patience, Donnie, patience.

#468 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That's why our system works. Innocent until proven guilty.
#207 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE AT 2019-04-18 01:06 PM | REPLY

That's right. Not innocent until convicted in criminal court. Trump has been proven guilty. Explicitly NOT exonerated. Just not convicted because Mueller deferred to the AG for prosecution and the AG is a partisan hack. Trump could shoot someone on 5th avenue with 100 witnesses and Barr wouldn't even scold him

#469 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-04-18 04:04 PM | Reply

"Or Bill Clinton, for that matter."

Why Clinton? He won a plurality of the votes, and the EC. Weren't you paying attention?

#470 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:04 PM | Reply

You can expect the Senate to be taken by the Dems and Trump to win again in 2020 just as I do.
The question then becomes will the Dems have the balls to impeach with that much power.

#463 | Posted by rstybeach11

Why should anybody expect that? Trump will win 2020 in a landslide, and retake the House while he's at it.

#471 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Can't wait for the Reichstag Fire.

#472 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump will win 2020 in a landslide"

I'll save that quote.

BTW, what will your new handle be at that point?

#473 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:07 PM | Reply

Why Clinton? He won a plurality of the votes, and the EC. Weren't you paying attention?

#470 | Posted by Danforth

Oh, I was paying attention Danforth, and you know it. RCade spoke of winning "the majority of votes" not the plurality.

LOL *good boi!*

#474 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:07 PM | Reply

Why should anybody expect that? Trump will win 2020 in a landslide, and retake the House while he's at it.

#471 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Remind us about your predictions for the 2018 midterms again...

#475 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 04:07 PM | Reply

"RCade spoke of winning "the majority of votes" not the plurality."

Then by all means, compare him with the guy who DIDN'T win either the majority OR the plurality.

#476 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:09 PM | Reply

BTW, what will your new handle be at that point?

#473 | Posted by Danforth

My favorite handle will always be my ----. Yours?

#477 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:09 PM | Reply

the guy who DIDN'T win either the majority OR the plurality.

#476 | Posted by Danforth

Trump won both the plurality and the majority of the electoral votes, which we all know is how the game is played.

*you silly*

#478 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:11 PM | Reply

#477. I asked for "new", not favorite.

You were clearly some other name in the past. Who will you be in the future?

#479 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I said 'always'.

#480 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:13 PM | Reply

Changing usernames is for cowards and russians.

#481 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 04:14 PM | Reply

Remember this from Barr's first letter?:

Barr quoting Mueller:

Barr quotes Mueller: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Here's the full quote:

Mueller:

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities," the report reads.

#482 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Trump won both the plurality and the majority of the electoral votes"

Well now you've moved the goalposts. You're using one barometer for Trump, and another for Clinton. If you were consistent, and only judging on the basis of the EC, you'd have to admit Clinton won the majority of the votes, and RCade was right.

So which is it? Was RCade right, or are you wrong?

#483 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:14 PM | Reply

"I said 'always'."

Which was responding to a question not asked.

But since we're on the topic, I'll ask directly: What other name(s) have you posted under on the DR?

#484 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:16 PM | Reply

Mueller Did Not Establish ‘Collusion,' But Notes Lies, Deleted Comms ‘Impaired' Probe

Yet, Mueller's redacted report also notes that the investigation was "materially impaired" by witnesses lying, invoking their Fifth Amendment rights, and perhaps most notably, by witnesses deleting emails or using encryption apps, preventing the Mueller team from reviewing all communications. Because of this, the Mueller team "was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts," according to the redacted report.
"The Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report," the document reads.

talkingpointsmemo.com

#485 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#482 - Gal

Can't remember who but, I remember someone stating weeks ago they would bet the sentence Barr was quoting started with "Although". Great find.

#486 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-18 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

RCade was wrong. Go back and read again.

Meanwhile, speaking of moving the goalposts, you fellas are whining about winning the popular vote but losing elections. Do you know where the goalposts are these days? Exactly where they were placed in 1788.

#487 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:21 PM | Reply

Dirty bird Burr:

Burr apparently fed info on FBI's Russia probe to White House, Mueller says

www.msn.com

#488 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:22 PM | Reply

the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities," the report reads.

#482 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Rather straightforward.

You guys never fail to deliver on the tears. So, *impeachment* next week?

#489 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:23 PM | Reply

Meanwhile, speaking of moving the goalposts, you fellas are whining about winning the popular vote but losing elections. Do you know where the goalposts are these days? Exactly where they were placed in 1788.

#487 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

I totally get why instead of discussing the topic of this thread you're trying to deflect to another subject, but take it to another thread.

This thread is about how your cult leader obstructed justice and possibly colluded with russia, and refuses to admit russia was involved in the election when they were.

#490 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 04:24 PM | Reply

As long as you want to cry about collusion, obstruction and impeachment you can just call me "Daddy."

#491 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:25 PM | Reply

Rather straightforward.

#489 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Not straightforward at all.

DID NOT ESTABLISH because they refused to cooperate and obstructed justice is not the same as DID NOT ESTABLISH because they were innocent.

#492 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 04:26 PM | Reply

"So, *impeachment* next week?

I hope the House will investigate Trump on obstruction. Personally, I think there is probably already enough evidence to impeach Trump on obstruction of justice and on Trump and his family being national security risks.

#493 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#490

Dude, the topic is:

The Mueller Report found no collusion and no obstruction.

You guys want to talk about winning the Presidency with a majority of the popular vote, winning the Senate in 2020, impeaching Trump after winning the Senate in 2020, parsing the insignificance of the word "although", my username -- future and past -- and my ----.

I'm not the one *deflecting* here.

ROTF

#494 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:32 PM | Reply

Gal,

There is always enough to impeach any president, so long as the political atmosphere and public will supports it.

At this point, I think impeachment is most likely dead. Democrats would be far better off focusing on 2020 now IMO.

#495 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-18 04:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mueller Report: Team Couldn't Rule Out Obstruction ... Or Firmly Establish It

www.npr.org

#496 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:36 PM | Reply

"RCade was wrong. Go back and read again"

YOU moved the goalposts. Go back and read it as many times as it takes: you judged Clinton on total votes, and Trump on the EC.

Pretending you can't tell the difference is laughable, as is your ludicrous claim.

#497 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:40 PM | Reply

"The Mueller Report found no collusion and no obstruction."

A bald-faced lie on its face.

#498 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not news, Gal. Mueller's team of angry Democrats' job was to establish obstruction and the couldn't.

That's the news.

#499 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:41 PM | Reply

Mueller's team couldn't rule out that Trump criminally obstructed justice.

The team members concluded they had to leave the decision to Congress about how to handle their evidence of Trump engaging in obstruction.

twitter.com

Scroll down to read the excerpt from IV Conclusion.

#500 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"RCade was wrong. Go back and read again"
YOU moved the goalposts. Go back and read it as many times as it takes: you judged Clinton on total votes, and Trump on the EC.
Pretending you can't tell the difference is laughable, as is your ludicrous claim.

#497 | Posted by Danforth

Two points here, Mr. Pants on Fire:

1) It wasn't me that judged Trump on the Electoral College; it's written in the Constitution that way.

2) RCade in his post was portending to have specific knowledge of Boaz's true thoughts. It is silly for you to so vigorously defend this proposition.

Read better!

#501 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Mueller report suggests Congress should judge whether Trump obstructed justice

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state," Mueller wrote in his report, which the Justice Department released in redacted form on Thursday.

"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment," the report said.

Mueller did not conclude that the president committed a crime. Instead, in its 448 pages of legal analysis and supporting evidence, his report detailed "multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations."

"The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests," the report said.
The report indicated that Mueller decided earlier in his investigation that he would not make a specific decision about obstruction charges and would, instead, defer to lawmakers.

"We determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes," the report said. Because Justice Department policy holds that a sitting president can't be subject to trial, an accusation of criminal conduct would put a president in limbo, under a cloud, but unable to clear himself, he wrote.

That problem doesn't apply to congressional proceedings, Mueller wrote, and Congress has full power to judge the president's conduct.

Even if a president exercised powers that came with his office, "Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice," he wrote.

Mueller did not express an opinion on whether the evidence would add up to an impeachable offense but noted that "the conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."


www.latimes.com

#502 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"Do you know where the goalposts are these days? Exactly where they were placed in 1788."

Then why were your end zone lines different for Trump than Clinton?

With Clinton, it was popular votes. With Trump, it was EC votes. If you used the same barometer for both, either Rcade was right, or you were wrong. Or both. God knows we can't rule that out.

#503 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:49 PM | Reply

" It wasn't me that judged Trump on the Electoral College; it's written in the Constitution that way."

But you didn't judge Clinton via the same barometer.

Are you actually so stupid you can't at least admit as much? At this point, you're either a dissembler, or an idiot.

#504 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 04:50 PM | Reply

Right, Gal. I get it. Mueller did not conclude there was obstruction.

Sorry.

*not sorry*

#505 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:51 PM | Reply

I'm parsing this lengthy thread and have not read either volume summary yet.

Everyone's posts are fascinating, you RW are giving a strange battle on the topic of what makes this American democracy a failure.

Corky's conclusions seem accurate. JPW is mainly implying RWingers have zero credibility. I really like AmericanUnity just blatantly stating pro-Trumpers as "traitors". Zed sees reds for what they are, and strangely the RW don't seem to care one whit how much of a Russian asset Trump and company factually are. Danni is expressing what everyone should be most interested in - the redactions themselves and how they specifically limit Congress.

I am impressed with JeffJ's intelligent posts, which makes me slightly agitated that it's taken this long for you to take this stuff seriously, but it's welcome nonetheless. I am not impressed with others conclusions based on rationale from a decade or more ago. Obama would obviously be destroyed by this kind of criminality expressed and implied in the report.

Nobody mentions Kushner throwing Don Jr. under the bus to save his dealing with MBS. Why does anyone imagine Trump would want to leave the Yemen crisis to the Saudi? And remember what they did to Qatar the week after Kushner was begging for money? They were essentially frozen by Saudi military backed by United States.. Wow, we were assaulting our own Air Force position in the ME. And like MAGIC 666 5th was purchased by a Canadian realtor.. funded by Qatar. Magical.

Rcade keeps slamming them home too, and nobody has refuted him yet aside from JeffJ.

#506 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-04-18 04:53 PM | Reply

I do judge Clinton by that same barometer. It was RCade that spoke of a majority. You deflected to the concept of a plurality.

By the way, why can't I be both a dissembler AND an idiot? Your limitations don't apply to me.

#507 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:53 PM | Reply

#506 Great summary of the lib's reactions hoping for an overtime period, but you should have watched the actual game instead.

Collusion 0
Obstruction 0

FINAL (Regulation)

#508 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why aren't you guys happier that your President did not collude nor obstruct?

*weird*

#509 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 04:58 PM | Reply

The traitors who sought to frame him? Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I could not have more pity for you than I do at this moment.

#462 | Posted by rcade

Dig deep and you'll find more. I among Retorters am so flawed! Blessed art thou for religously feeding the hamster that powers this site.

I wouldn't want to ruin your pity party, though, so thanks, Chief!

#510 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:04 PM | Reply

Looks like we got to 5:00 Eastern. Quittin' time, huh guys?

#511 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

My favorite handle will always be my ----. Yours?

#477 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

So that's what you and Trump have in common... tiny hands.

- Corky's conclusions seem accurate.

Just repeating what the Report said.... they really didn't have jurisdiction to indict, they reccommend that Congress could follow up on their findings, proved that Russia stole the emails the same day after Trump publicly said they should.... and agreed that had it not been for his aides that refused orders to obstruct justice, they would have been able to detail that obstruction.

If you don't believe all of that, click my name and read the fact for yourself as reported today in the news using direct quotes from the Report.

AND it's just too cool that George Conway won his bet, which I posted the other day:

@eliehonig
Barr quotes Mueller: "[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Barr omitted first part of that sentence. Want to bet it starts with "Although"?

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-04-15 02:27 PM

rofl!

#512 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 05:09 PM | Reply

"I do judge Clinton by that same barometer. It was RCade that spoke of a majority. "

And then you claimed Trump had a majority, because he had the majority of the EC.

Clinton's barometer was different than Trump's. Anything else you claim is a lie. I get you're embarrassed, but you don't get out of the hole by continued digging.

Still...it's fascinating you can't even admit you got caught using different measures.

#513 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:11 PM | Reply

--Looks like we got to 5:00 Eastern. Quittin' time, huh guys?

You don't expect them to do this unless they're on the employer's clock, do you? No pay, no blog.

#514 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 05:13 PM | Reply

"Collusion 0"

Shots-on-goal notwithstanding.

#515 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:13 PM | Reply

POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-04-15 02:27 PM

rofl!

#512 | Posted by Corky

ROFL!

#516 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:16 PM | Reply

And then you claimed Trump had a majority, because he had the majority of the EC.

#513 | Posted by Danforth

Show me that part. Exactly that part.

You're having a hard time today down at the end.

#517 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:18 PM | Reply

Good God, Danforth. I used a simple bar trick to play on the difference between a majority and a plurality. And you fell for it.

Blog harder next time.

#518 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:19 PM | Reply

"Why aren't you guys happier that your President did not collude nor obstruct?"

*Citation needed.

#519 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 05:20 PM | Reply

"Show me that part. Exactly that part."

It's not my fault you can't read. Everyone else can tell you used one barometer for Clinton--popular votes--and one for Trump--EC.

Tap dance all you want. Everyone can see what you wrote, and how now you're lying about it.

Keep digging, Einstein.

#520 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:20 PM | Reply

I just think we should put up this sentence over and over...

"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

-Mueller Report

#521 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-18 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Telling a lie about an embarrassing extramarital affair is a flimsy reason to remove a president. - #416 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 03:06 PM
It seems that you misspelled 'lying under oath to obstruct justice'. Is it different because he's a Democrat?

#522 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I used a simple bar trick to play on the difference between a majority and a plurality."

And then used one measure for Clinton, and a different measure for Trump...and got called out on it.

It's all there in black and white, whether you've got the nads to admit it or not.

#523 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:23 PM | Reply

"It seems that you misspelled 'lying under oath to obstruct justice'. Is it different because he's a Democrat?"

Trump lied repeatedly to obstruct justice. Is "under oath" your only barometer, or just the most convenient one?

#524 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:24 PM | Reply

Dude, the topic is:

The Mueller Report found no collusion and no obstruction.

#494 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

That is the opposite of what they found. Why do you keep posting a lie? Do you think lying on an obscure website is somehow going to help trump get away with his crimes?

Or are you paid per post?

#525 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 05:27 PM | Reply

- The Mueller Report found no collusion and no obstruction.

Same lies, different day.

www.usatoday.com

#526 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 05:28 PM | Reply

Also revealed today - sarah sanders just makes crap up and lies to america.

She said the FBI employees didn't like comey and that's why he was fired. The report says there is zero evidence of this.

#527 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 05:29 PM | Reply

I enjoy how much Boaz loves saying "we aren't a democracy." It's an acknowledgement that he knows Republicans can't win a majority of the vote any more.

#442 | Posted by rcade

Such insipid talking points the Dems are pushing these days.
Tell it to Abe Lincoln, Boss.
Or Bill Clinton, for that matter.

#464 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

That's what I wrote, ------. Doesn't say nuthin' like what you say it says.

#528 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:31 PM | Reply

Is "under oath" your only barometer, or just the most convenient one?

#524 | Posted by Danforth

The barometer today is the Mueller Report. Not what you thought it would be, all these many months, is it?

I can understand why you Dems are always looking for new barometers. The tradtional barometers are against you these days.

#529 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:35 PM | Reply

Just like you don't want to use the words I wrote in #446 as the barometer of the words I wrote in #446.

I still love you, Danforth.

#530 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:36 PM | Reply

#464 not #446. Pardon my unconscionable error.

#531 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:36 PM | Reply

The barometer today is the Mueller Report. Not what you thought it would be, all these many months, is it?

#529 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

It's exactly what we expected - trump obstructed justice. It's there in black and white. It's up to congress to impeach him.

BTW your cult leader says putin didn't help him in the election - is he lying or is the entire report fake?

#532 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It says exactly what I thought it would say... the Report said they really didn't have jurisdiction to indict, they recommend that Congress could follow up on their findings, proved that Russia stole the emails the same day after Trump publicly said they should.... and agreed that had it not been for his aides that refused orders to obstruct justice, they would have been able to detail that obstruction.

#533 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 05:38 PM | Reply

"That's what I wrote"

And after that, you told Rcade he was wrong claiming a majority, and then used a different barometer--EC--to claim Trump won a majority.

"Doesn't say nuthin' like what you say it says."

No, not the part you cherry-picked. But nice AG Barr impersonation...leaving out the salient part that proves you wrong.

Do you need another shovel?

#534 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:38 PM | Reply

"The barometer today is the Mueller Report."

Bwhahahahaha! So now you're reduced to tap dancing. What's next, yelling SQUIRREL?

#535 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:40 PM | Reply

For any DR readers interested in actual facts, the last Democrat to win the Presidency with a majority of the popular vote was Jimmy Carter in 1976.

#536 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:41 PM | Reply

For any DR readers interested in actual facts, the last Democrat to win the Presidency with a majority of the popular vote was Jimmy Carter in 1976.

#536 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Your pathetic attempts to change the subject are hilarious.

I'll keep asking til you answer: your cult leader says putin didn't help him in the election - is he lying or is the entire report fake?

#537 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 05:42 PM | Reply

"For any DR readers interested in actual facts..."

Posts the guy who got caught using different measures to state "facts".

#538 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:43 PM | Reply

For any DR readers interested in actual facts, the last Democrat to win the Presidency with a majority of the popular vote was Barack Obama in 2012, with 51.1% of the vote.

#539 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's an acknowledgement that he knows Republicans can't win a majority of the vote any more.

#442 | Posted by rcade

I gave two examples of Presidents that didn't win a "majority of the vote" in my post with RCade.

This led to you deflecting to a plurality, which as a matter of course led to the constitutional barometer for the winner of the election being the candidate that wins the majority of the Electoral College. I'm sure RCade appreciates your endeavor. In turn, I hope the dedication with which you are defending his initial overreach increases his pity for me.

Your inability to smell the crap on your own Birkenstocks is what makes the majority/plurality/Lincoln/Clinton thing such a good bar bet in the first place. Especially how the Clinton part really bothers you, which is an acknowledgement that Democrats are happy to claim victory in a presidential election with only 42% of the popular vote.

*this is fun and easy*

#540 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:49 PM | Reply

"For any DR readers interested in actual facts, the last Democrat to win the Presidency with a majority of the popular vote was Barack Obama in 2012, with 51.1% of the vote."

Now, now...there you go with your pesky Actual Math.

Don't you know any NotchMath™? That's where a non-majority is a majority if you move the goalposts far enough, fast enough.

#541 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:49 PM | Reply

#539 I meant before Obama. Obviously I'm not stupid.

#542 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump lied repeatedly to obstruct justice. - #524 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:24 PM
Feel free to point out the page in the report that gives you that feeling. Or quote it if you'd prefer.

#543 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 05:51 PM | Reply

Maybe if you guys keep spinning this nothing burger, it'll eventually become a nothing pizza to feed your whole family.

#544 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 05:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dang it all! I was going to admit that Clinton won a majority of the popular vote in '96.

But he didn't!

LOL

#545 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:52 PM | Reply

Obviously I'm not stupid.

I say we put that up for a vote.

You know, let's see what the majority thinks.

Or the plurality.

Either or.

#546 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-04-18 05:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

Say --

How 'bout that Mueller Report!?!

#547 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:53 PM | Reply

"I gave two examples of Presidents that didn't win a "majority of the vote"

And then used a different definition of "majority" when it came to Trump.

With Clinton, it was of the popular votes.
With Trump, it was of the EC.

I pointed out, if you were consistent, you would've admitted Clinton won the "majority", too---if EC was the barometer as it was in your Trump claim.

Since then, you haven't had the character to admit you were using two sets of measures. You certainly cannot be this stupid.

#548 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:53 PM | Reply

#546 Oh noes! Anything but a vote of my DR peers! Have you no mercy?

#549 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:54 PM | Reply

"Feel free to point out the page in the report that gives you that feeling."

Feel free to point out all the truths Trump and his team were telling about contacts with the Russians.

#550 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:55 PM | Reply

------ --

In what post did I talk about Trump's majority being the one that counted? Well after you started nipping at my heels.

*collects on bar bet for record 10th time*

#551 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 05:57 PM | Reply

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment," the report says in a 182-page section dedicated to obstruction.

"Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," it continues

#552 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 05:58 PM | Reply

Maybe if you guys keep spinning this nothing burger, it'll eventually become a nothing pizza to feed your whole family.

#544 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Maybe if you keep calling it a nothingburger it'll come true. Ten millionth time is the charm!

#553 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:01 PM | Reply

"Then by all means, compare him with the guy who DIDN'T win either the majority OR the plurality."
~Danforth

"Trump won both the plurality and the majority of the electoral votes, which we all know is how the game is played."
~Notch

Notice that? Your argument with Rcade was about popular votes, and now you've switched the barometer to EC...

...something Clinton won both the majority and the plurality.

#554 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 06:01 PM | Reply

How 'bout that Mueller Report!?!

#547 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Yeah howbout it? It says your cult leader obstructed justice 10 times.

And that the russians helped him win. Your cult leader says they didn't. Is he lying or is the report all fake?

#555 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:02 PM | Reply

"collects on bar bet"

You admitted using two measures, and now you think you won the bet?!?

Too rich.

You're like the guy halfway though his home-run trot when he realizes the catcher is holding strike three.

#556 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 06:03 PM | Reply

#550 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 05:55 PM
Is that your lame version of being unable to provide the evidence that is driving the feeling you espoused in your #524?

#557 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 06:03 PM | Reply

Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump/Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them. - theintercept.com

*Heavy Tears*

""My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over. Our Constitution works." - Gerry

#558 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 06:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...obstructed justice 10 times. And that the russians helped him win." #555 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

LOL. Link?

#559 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 06:06 PM | Reply

Why should anybody expect that? Trump will win 2020 in a landslide, and retake the House while he's at it.

#471 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

LOL he barely won the first time (with Russia's help)...and that was before we had 4 years of seeing how bad he would really be.

#560 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 06:07 PM | Reply

LOL. Link?

#559 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Read the report, dumbs---.

#561 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

" unable to provide the evidence "

Take a reading comprehension class and get back to us. Your pretense is getting old and lame. Anyone who can read can see you admitting trying to pull a fast one by using two different measures...after you were caught.

But by all means, grab another shovel. A little further, and I'm sure you'll start hearing Mandarin.

#562 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 06:08 PM | Reply

LOL. Link?

#559 | Posted by SheepleSchism

It's all in the report. If you're not going to read it, why jump in on a thread about it?

Just to show us how intentionally ignorant you are today?

#563 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:09 PM | Reply

"I used a simple bar trick to play on the difference between a majority and a plurality."

And you've been denying it ever since.

Laughable, to anyone who can actually read.

#564 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 06:10 PM | Reply

Rather straightforward.
You guys never fail to deliver on the tears. So, *impeachment* next week?

#489 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

And you s---heaps never fail to deliver on being dishonest piles of, well, s---.

#565 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 06:11 PM | Reply

" unable to provide the evidence " #557 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 06:03 PM

Take a reading comprehension class and get back to us. Your pretense is getting old and lame. Anyone who can read can see you admitting trying to pull a fast one by using two different measures...after you were caught. - #562 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 06:08 PM
You need to either stop drinking or start. You're not even keeping your discussions straight. You've quoted me and falsely accused me of engaging in a behavior that I believe you meant for DixvilleNotch. I'm sure you've merely made yet another mistake and will rectify it shortly. Perhaps even as I am typing this.

#566 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JPW is mainly implying RWingers have zero credibility.

Implying?

After reading their posts there's no choice but to flat out conclude they have no credibility.

#567 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- It's all in the report.

It's all in your head. Read me the part where Trump is an agent of Russia. Read me the story about collusion. Read me all the crazy you loons have been selling for 3 years.

You've been emotionally and psycologically abused by the Democrats and their media circus.
All in hopes of finding something, anything, that never existed. You're too invested now, which is why your, and Pelosi's knickers are in a knot.

And now you fools are going to go all in on tanking Bernie again for an establishment goon.

#568 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 06:17 PM | Reply

"I'm sure you've merely made yet another mistake and will rectify it shortly."

My apologies for confusing one idiot for another.

But feel free to point out all the truths Team Trump told about meetings with the Russians...before they were "under oath"...which seems to be your barometer du jour.

#569 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 06:18 PM | Reply

--it'll eventually become a nothing pizza to feed your whole family.

I just had a plain cheese pizza slice that had more meat on it than this thread. "Round and round we go...

#570 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-18 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

568 posts into this thread it's clear that trump's cult's strategy is simply to mimic trump: Say "total exoneration, witch hunt, nothingburger, etc" even thought that's the exact opposite of what came out today.

They're hoping it will work on people who haven't been paying attention.

But thinking it will work on people who hang out on a political blog and are informed only shows how stupid/paid they are.

They are literally outside on a rainy day talking about how warm the sun is and how they've never seen such a beautiful blue sky.

This is exactly what was described in the book 1984. A cult who will simply deny reality and state the opposite if their leader tells them to.

#571 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#539 I meant before Obama. Obviously I'm not stupid.

#542 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Facts not in evidence.

#572 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 06:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's all in your head. Read me the part where Trump is an agent of Russia. Read me the story about collusion. Read me all the crazy you loons have been selling for 3 years.

#568 | Posted by SheepleSchism

That's not what's in the report stupid. The report describes trump obstructing justice 10 times. Do you deny that?

The report describes putin's efforts to elect trump. Trump denies this happened. Is trump lying or is the report a hoax?

#573 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:21 PM | Reply

And now you fools are going to go all in on tanking Bernie again for an establishment goon.

#568 | Posted by SheepleSchism

I can't wait for you switch to one of your other trump supporting usernames when bernie gets nominated.

#574 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My apologies...which seems to be your barometer du jour. - #569 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-18 06:18 PM
My pointing out that RCade was downplaying the actions of Clinton does not imply at all my barometer for the actions of Trump. Even a semi-intelligent person would realize that.
I'll explain it again when you need me to.

#575 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-18 06:24 PM | Reply

The AP is reporting that Trump won and Clinton lost. Most Clinton supporters are holding another vigil 2-1/2 years to mark the occasion and incontinence is at an all time high

#576 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-04-18 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Then by all means, compare him with the guy who DIDN'T win either the majority OR the plurality."
~Danforth

#554 | Posted by Danforth

See? You introduced the deflection. Own it.

*sips whiskey bought with Danforth's bet money*

#577 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 06:25 PM | Reply

#539 I meant before Obama. Obviously I'm not stupid.
#542 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Facts not in evidence.

#572 | Posted by jpw

In my defense, I offer the testimony of mon bonne homme Danforth:

You certainly cannot be this stupid.

#548 | Posted by Danforth

#578 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 06:29 PM | Reply

#577 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

So let's get back on topic.

The report says your cult leader obstructed justice 10 times.

And that the russians helped him win. Your cult leader says they didn't. Is he lying or is the report all fake?

How long are you going to run away from me?

#579 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:30 PM | Reply

"I used a simple bar trick to play on the difference between a majority and a plurality."
And you've been denying it ever since.
Laughable, to anyone who can actually read.

#564 | Posted by Danforth

???? What? I dangle the bait in your lap and you punch yourself in the nuts grabbing for it.

It's awesome.

Reminds of the glory days here.

*old school DR idiocy, started with a post from the Chief*

#580 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 06:33 PM | Reply

#580 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

The report says your cult leader obstructed justice 10 times.

And that the russians helped him win. Your cult leader says they didn't. Is he lying or is the report all fake?

How long are you going to run away from me?

#581 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So let's get back on topic.
The report says your cult leader obstructed justice 10 times.

#579 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Dude, we're not going to have a conversation if you misquote the simplest concepts in the report. I'm not some 2 looking for attention. I'm at least a 7, probably a 9 for the likes of you.

#582 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 06:36 PM | Reply

Say, what's that in your lap?

#583 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 06:37 PM | Reply

How long are you going to run away from me?

#579 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You smooth talker, you. Come here often?

*locks chastity belt*

#584 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 06:40 PM | Reply

"Read me the part where Trump is an agent of Russia."

Hmm.

Is a Patsy an agent?

I say yes.

What do you say?

#585 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 06:45 PM | Reply

Dude, we're not going to have a conversation if you misquote the simplest concepts in the report.

Have you actually read any of it?

After laying out that
1. DoJ policy is to not indict a sitting POTUS
2. that even recommending prosecution would place undue burden on the executive to govern
3. that it would violate fairness doctrine in that, owing to point 1, a POTUS couldn't clear their name with a Constitutionally mandated fair and speedy trial

it goes on to state:

Fourth, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

The report is walking a tightrope of legal issues but they make one thing clear-they were not, after their investigation was over, able to conclude Trump was innocent of criminal conduct. Period.

#586 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's not obstructing justice to thwart an unjust investigation of a non-crime.
#452 | Posted by visitor_

Silly, stupid, and telling all at the same time.

#587 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-18 06:47 PM | Reply

Trump will win 2020 in a landslide, and retake the House while he's at it.
#471 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

You are absolutely adorable.

#588 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-18 06:50 PM | Reply

Dude, we're not going to have a conversation if you misquote the simplest concepts in the report. I'm not some 2 looking for attention. I'm at least a 7, probably a 9 for the likes of you.

#582 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

You're a coward. You dodge the simplest question.

Trump said putin didnt help him in the election. The report says he did.

Is trump lying or is the report fake?

#589 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"Read me the part where Trump is an agent of Russia."

Bold in original:

Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, Senior Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. He is a former Director of Intelligence and Counterintelligence at the Department of Energy; and, at the CIA, a former Chief of the Europe Division in the Directorate of Operations, and former Chief of the Weapons of Mass Destruction Department, Counterterrorism Center. He explains the different standards in assessing criminal liability and ---------------- activity and why it takes longer to prove the latter:

Every reader of the Mueller report should examine the evidence from two vantage points with distinctly different standards of judgment. What crimes were committed? That is a question of the law. Second, did members of the Trump campaign establish contact with agents of a foreign power (Russian intelligence and/or Wikileaks) for the purpose of enlisting their assistance to help get Trump elected? Those are two different questions that could have opposing answers. On the one hand, collusion/conspiracy might not reach the legal threshold for prosecution. On the other hand, not reaching the legal standard for prosecution does not "exonerate" anyone from being guilty of ---------------- activity. That is a separate determination based on different standards evidence that applies to prosecution.

Historically speaking, it is common for FBI and CIA to have gathered sufficient evidence against a target of a counterintelligence investigation to establish that someone is a spy. In many cases, however, there is insufficient evidence to arrest and prosecute that person. It can take years to reach the legal threshold for prosecution for espionage activity even if the counterintelligence case is compelling. Thus, it should not be surprising if the case for collusion in the Mueller report is not conclusive.


www.justsecurity.org

#590 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Even if a president exercised powers that came with his office, "Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice," he wrote."

So, yes DIX.

Impeach next week.

#591 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-18 06:59 PM | Reply

#584

Dix,

Dix isn't your favorite handle? why do you call yourself Dix? It's like an abuse of Dix. Dix has been loyal to you. Why would someone like you disavow Dix when Dix meant so much to you in the past.

#592 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 07:00 PM | Reply

I'm at least a 7, probably a 9 for the likes of you.

You're an Alabama 7.

#593 | Posted by rcade at 2019-04-18 07:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 9

Trump 2020

'I'm fuc*ed!'

#594 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 07:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

they were not, after their investigation was over, able to conclude Trump was innocent of criminal conduct. Period.
#586 | Posted by jpw

Right. Also not able to conclude Trump was guilty of criminal conduct. This isn't hard.

Since he is presumed innocent: Not Guilty

#595 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:04 PM | Reply

You're an Alabama 7.

#593 | Posted by rcade

Why, thank you.

*wants a pityf*ck*

#596 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:06 PM | Reply

#584
Dix,
Dix isn't your favorite handle? why do you call yourself Dix? It's like an abuse of Dix. Dix has been loyal to you. Why would someone like you disavow Dix when Dix meant so much to you in the past.

#592 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Dix has brought me a lot of pleasure, it's true. I'm not disavowing. I simply prefer 'Notch.

'N to friends.

#597 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:09 PM | Reply

Boy, did I butcher #592. Let me try again.

#584

Dix,

Dix isn't your favorite handle? Why do you refer to yourself as Dix? It's like an abuse of Dix. Why would someone like you disavow Dix when Dix meant so much to you in the past? When I post here and see Dix, I'm assured that the thread will be entertaining. A few Dix posts is worth the price of admission. Keep the handle. I want you to do Dix all day!

#598 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 07:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Right. Also not able to conclude Trump was guilty of criminal conduct. This isn't hard.
Since he is presumed innocent: Not Guilty
#595 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Actually, no.

If you actually read the part I quoted (I know asking you to read the actual report is a lost cause) it lays out the difficulties in investigating a sitting POTUS in that indictment, sealed indictments or recommendations for prosecution upon leaving office were a no go.

They even state explicitly that had there been no evidence they would have straight up stated he was exonerated.

They couldn't. Meaning there was evidence of criminal conduct but their hands are tied in dealing with it.

#599 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 07:15 PM | Reply

DIX, you are absolutely adorable.

#588 | Posted by rstybeach11

So, yes DIX.

Impeach next week.

#591 | Posted by rstybeach11

I don't usually date desperate bitches, but I'm a sucker for being called 'adorable.'

Impeachment party next week at Apple Jack's?

*blorp*

#600 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:15 PM | Reply

You're an Alabama 7.

#593 | POSTED BY RCADE

So a sister with half her teeth?

#601 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 07:15 PM | Reply

'N Dix? Okay. It should have something at the beginning. Puss 'N Dix? Netflix 'N Dix?

#602 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 07:17 PM | Reply

- Read me the part where Trump is an agent of Russia.

Here's how the report put it:

"[T]he investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts..."

Aides refused to help efforts to obstruct

Mueller reports that because aides and advisers to Trump refused to "carry out orders," the President was prevented from influencing the special counsel's investigation.

Here's the relevant line: "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

Mueller says Congress can pursue investigation of Trump obstruction

Members of Congress will zero in on one critical section in Mueller's report. The special counsel provides a constitutional justification for its own investigation, but also points out that Congress can also apply obstruction laws in investigating and impeaching a sitting president.

Here's the relevant line in the report: "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

The report also cites Supreme Court precedent and the separation of powers to say "the Constitution does not categorically and permanently immunize a President for obstructing justice."

www.cnn.com

Poor Trumplsheepskin... his Dear Leader told Russia to go ahead and steal the email and they did THE SAME DAY. Then the Report says that the only thing that kept Donnie from obstruction was that his aides refused to follow his orders to obstruct.

And then the Report refers the charges to Congress to hold Hearings.... and even cites the precedent for them to do so.

So much for that stupid Report!

#603 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 07:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That's great. Trump told his aides to obstruct, but they didn't do it because they think he's an idiot. Now that's rich.

#604 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-04-18 07:24 PM | Reply

"the President's corrupt exercise of the powers"

They state that as a fact... Bad Mueller Report!

Here's Trump and Barr's most recent meeting:

www.google.com

#605 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 07:24 PM | Reply

And then the Report refers the charges to Congress to hold Hearings.... and even cites the precedent for them to do so.
So much for that stupid Report!

#603 | POSTED BY CORKY

Couple that with all the cases sent to Federal prosecutor in places like SDNY and it seems Mueller was trying to be a maestro from afar.

#606 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 07:25 PM | Reply

- Mueller was trying to be a maestro from afar.

As he said, he was restrained by DOJ policy from indicting the President.

And as I said, he was like the cop who saw the criminal rob the bank, but it was not done in his jurisdiction.

Congress needs to take the Report's advice and convene obstruction hearings. If those aides talked to Mueller about refusing the Pres' orders to obstruct justice, they can talk to Congress, too.

#607 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Face it. Mueller had the maestro's baton for 2 years. He choked on it.

#608 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:34 PM | Reply

Look at all the straw grabbing in here.

*smells the desperation*

Sweet.

#609 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:36 PM | Reply

---- off troll.

#610 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 07:39 PM | Reply

"Look at all the straw grabbing in here.
*smells the desperation*
Sweet.
#609 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH"

^
It's true, people prefer the smell of their own farts to those of others.

#611 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 07:45 PM | Reply

Have a straw, JPW.

Anybody here notice that Mueller never examined the server from which the emails were downloaded by an employee with a thumbdrive, er, hacked by Russia over the internet, but instead is relying on the bogus Guccifer 2.0 claim from Crowdstrike?

That's a straw for ya.

#612 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:47 PM | Reply

#612 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Still running coward. Might want to leave the thread cause I'm not gonna let this go til you answer it:

Trump said putin didnt help him in the election. The report says he did.
Is trump lying or is the report fake?

#613 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 07:53 PM | Reply

Hmmm:

Steve Reilly @BySteveReilly (Investigative reporter for USA Today)

The Special Counsel's Office made 14 referrals of evidence of potential criminal activity to outside offices. Only two are publicly known at this point.

#614 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"instead is relying on the bogus Guccifer 2.0 claim from Crowdstrike?"

Yep.

Sure smells like desperation.

#615 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-18 07:56 PM | Reply

Trump: I have one of the great memories of all time.

Trump told Mueller 37 times he did not remember key events.

#616 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Day 818 of the DR Meltdown.

Could've had Bernie, but no. It was Her turn.

Wash, rinse, repeat with Creepy Uncle Joe. loons.

#617 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 07:57 PM | Reply

Gal, how do you manage to stay 10 days behind the news?

(Rhetorical question. No reply necessary.)

#618 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 07:58 PM | Reply

Anybody seen McCabe?

Think a Clinton crony will give his wife another million bucks to run for state office again?

#619 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:00 PM | Reply

#617 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Step 1. learn to read.

step 2. Go read the mueller report.

If at that point you still think this scandal is no big deal, you're either stupid or russian.

#620 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 08:00 PM | Reply

Anybody seen McCabe?

Think a Clinton crony will give his wife another million bucks to run for state office again?

#619 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Blame the cops. The old OJ Simpson strategy. That's a good look on you.

Back to business:
Trump said putin didnt help him in the election. The report says he did.
Is trump lying or is the report fake?

#621 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#617 It wasn't actually her turn. She just was financing the DNC and had cronies operating the levers of power, including spying operations, for her. We dodged a mother of all bullets.

Too bad Bernie willingly became her bitch. You going to forgive him? Bad move.

#622 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:03 PM | Reply

By "straw-grabbing" Dicksville is referring to the quotes from the Report that don't fit the lies the GOP programmed him with.

Or, wait... straws? Maybe he's talking about his grabbing "----" again.

#623 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 08:04 PM | Reply

Anybody here notice that Mueller never examined the server from which the emails were downloaded by an employee with a thumbdrive, er, hacked by Russia over the internet, but instead is relying on the bogus Guccifer 2.0 claim from Crowdstrike?
That's a straw for ya.

#612 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

Righty conspiracy theory nonsense? No thanks.

You tools are pathetic.

#624 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mueller grossly overstates the extent to which Russia aided Trump and doesn't even touch the subject of how Russia aided Hillary.

Business basics here, big boi:

No collusion. No obstruction.

#625 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:05 PM | Reply

Day 818 of the DR Meltdown.
Could've had Bernie, but no. It was Her turn.
Wash, rinse, repeat with Creepy Uncle Joe. loons.

#617 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

What does that have to do with the report?

Oh, that's right. Nothing.

Like just about everything you post, deflective nonsense.

#626 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:06 PM | Reply

Mueller grossly overstates the extent to which Russia aided Trump and doesn't even touch the subject of how Russia aided Hillary.
Business basics here, big boi:
No collusion. No obstruction.

#625 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

LOL keep saying it maybe it'll be true.

Like I said. Pathetic.

#627 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Righty conspiracy theory nonsense?

That particular one lasted about 30 seconds until it was laughed out of the news.

#628 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 08:07 PM | Reply

Righty conspiracy theory nonsense? No thanks.
You tools are pathetic.

#624 | Posted by jpw

Yeah, I forgot you don't care for actual evidence, like examining the server.

Prepare for counterpunching.

Gird your loins.

#629 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:07 PM | Reply

We dodged a mother of all bullets.

No we didn't. With Trump's election we took one center mass.

But it's interesting that you fools are trying to deny or deflect to Hillary, as if she's at all relevant to this topic.

#630 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:08 PM | Reply

laughed out of the news.
#628 | Posted by Corky

Give it up, Corky. We all know your media sources are compromised beyond bias.

#631 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:09 PM | Reply

Yeah, I forgot you don't care for actual evidence, like examining the server.

Says the guy who clearly hasn't read a word of the report he's trying to argue against.

#632 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:09 PM | Reply

What does that have to do with the report?
Oh, that's right. Nothing.
Like just about everything you post, deflective nonsense.

#626 | Posted by jpw

Have you even read this thread?

LOL

#633 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:10 PM | Reply

Give it up, Corky. We all know your media sources are compromised beyond bias.

#631 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

LOL ahhh righties. Shart some nonsense that's easily rebutted only to have them simply wave away the rebuttal with more fantasy sharts.

At this point anybody who still actively supports Trump should have their right to vote revoked as they're clearly far too stupid to be trusted with such a responsibility.

#634 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:10 PM | Reply

I read these words this morning. We all know I am well read. I am not arguing against the report.

No collusion. No obstruction.

Best of luck, folks.

#635 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:11 PM | Reply

Have you even read this thread?

I have. Most of it is driven by idiot righties (see yourself) stating things as a matter of fact that are in direct contradiction to what the report actually says.

Even with the information we now have you cultists will cling to your old discredited talking points like the report never even happened.

#636 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:12 PM | Reply

Wow.... direct quotes from the Mueller Report are from "media sources"?

Someone needs to change Dick's diaper... in a hurry.

Sheeple, get to it!

#637 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 08:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I am not arguing against the report.
No collusion. No obstruction.
Best of luck, folks.

#635 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH AT 2019-04-18 08:11 PM | FLAG: tucking tail and running

Not surprised. It's late in Moscow.

#638 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:13 PM | Reply

JPW, I'm just saying that the media laughing away a story doesn't mean ---- these days, other than to remind you that they all were bought, paid for and fed by the DNC. You really should acknowledge what we all read in Podesta's emails.

#639 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:13 PM | Reply

MAKE AMERICA ---- AGAIN!

#640 | Posted by cbob at 2019-04-18 08:13 PM | Reply

Mueller grossly overstates the extent to which Russia aided Trump and doesn't even touch the subject of how Russia aided Hillary.

Business basics here, big boi:

No collusion. No obstruction.

#625 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Really? How did you learn more about this than mueller did? Watching fox news?

Back to business:
Trump said putin didnt help him in the election. The report says he did.
Is trump lying or is the report fake?

No collusion. No obstruction. The world's most famous liar says so and you believe him because you're either stupid or paid to act stupid.

#641 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 08:14 PM | Reply

No collusion. No obstruction.

Best of luck, folks.

#635 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

That's not in the report. Those are the words of a proven con man.

Run away now.

#642 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 08:15 PM | Reply

Crowdstrike, Corky. Crowdstrike. A private contractor favored by Clinton's law firm. Fusion GPS's filthy sibling.

#643 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:15 PM | Reply

Enjoy touching your own happy buttons, Speak.

Cheers, guys!

I don't know about you, but any day RCade admits I'm an Alabama 7 is a great day!

#644 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-18 08:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Cheers, guys!

I don't know about you, but any day RCade admits I'm an Alabama 7 is a great day!

#644 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Way to dodge this question a dozen times:
Trump said putin didnt help him in the election. The report says he did.
Is trump lying or is the report fake?

Run along now coward.

#645 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-18 08:19 PM | Reply

JPW, I'm just saying that the media laughing away a story doesn't mean ---- these days

Yawn.

Just because it doesn't report the twisted world view you hold doesn't mean it's "laughing away a story".

As for the Podesta emails it's quite easy to find mainstream reporting on them. Is that what you mean by "laughing away a story"?

#646 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:21 PM | Reply

"I have. Most of it is driven by idiot righties (see yourself) stating things as a matter of fact that are in direct contradiction to what the report actually says.
Even with the information we now have you cultists will cling to your old discredited talking points like the report never even happened."

Best to ignore them as they are just spouting talking points they've picked up from rightwing new sites. Better to read articles on the report or to read the report itself. Everything else is just lies and spin.

#647 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#643

Wow again.... so, Mueller is really Crowdstrike... or They are Mueller?

Conspiracy! Dick Strikes Again.... right before he runs away to Mommy, or whatever he calls Sheeple these days.

#648 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 08:34 PM | Reply

Better to read articles on the report or to read the report itself. Everything else is just lies and spin.

#647 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I've been making my way through the report.

Figured I would, at the very least, try to keep their nonsense from going unchallenged in our little online playhouse.

#649 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-18 08:41 PM | Reply

"We all know I am well read."

Hahahahahahaha! Good one!

#650 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-18 08:45 PM | Reply

#617 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Time to turn to Страница 2 разговорная точкаs, comrade.

#651 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 09:11 PM | Reply

"I've been making my way through the report.
Figured I would, at the very least, try to keep their nonsense from going unchallenged in our little online playhouse."

Good on ya!

#652 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-18 09:15 PM | Reply

This is so funny!!!

On May 17, 2017, the fake news was:
1. It was revealed that former FBI Director James Comey had been keeping memos of his conversations with Trump. Looks like this might be the first step towards impeachment. More here.

2. Vladimir Putin offered to clear up Trump's other scandal. You know, the one where he leaked classified information to the Russians last week. Yeah ... probably not the best person to vouch for Trump at this moment. More here.

3. Chelsea Manning is now free, but the fight for her legacy rages on. More here.

4. A teenager designed a pocket sized satellite that will be flying on NASA's next mission. Can this lil' dude just be president instead of Trump? More here.

5. Immigration arrests are up 38% under President Trump. Maybe we could deport him back to Russia once this is all take care of? More here.

And the noteworthy news was:
May 17, 2017 was ...

Norwegian Independence Day
Day Against Homophobia - European Union
Constitution Day of Norway (Norges grunnlovsdag) - Norway
Day of Nature (Fête de la Nature) - France
Galician Language Day (Día de las Letras Gallegas) - Spain
International Internet Day - Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Spain, Mexico, Peru & Venezuela
Princess Máxima's Birthday (Verjaardag Koningin Maxima) - Netherlands
World Hypertension Day - India
World Telecommunication and Information Society Day - India
Arm Forces Day (Día de la Armada) - Argentina
Dia das Letras Galegas - Latin America
Marines Day (Dia da Marinha) - Latin America

So, addressing the fake news:
1. No Impeachment possible
2. No classified leaks
3. Chelsea Manning is still a traitor
4. The teenager that designed a pocket sized satellite is not the president
5. Immigration arrests are still at a very low level

Jeez people, you should really focus on Pelosi the village idiot. She will be the reason Trump wins in 2020!

#653 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2019-04-18 09:37 PM | Reply

#653 | POSTED BY GR8MUSIC

There have been too many "bombshells", "Breaking New!", "this is it", "we got him", "it's all over" 's to count.

We've gone from "agent of Putin", "Impeach Now!" to "I can't find a crime" - signed, Mueller; and "It's ain't wirth the effort" Sincerely, Nancy Wears the Pants.

#654 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...even Speaks is still clinging to me being a Russian-bot Trumpler-fake-Bernie-bro.

LOL. just can't let go. so much invested in the media circus.

You've been lied to. Now, just look at the state of it.

#655 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 09:51 PM | Reply

Big thread. Sorry I missed it.

Serious question......exactly what crime has Russia committed by interfering with the 2016 election? Or should we name names instead of referencing a country?

#656 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-18 10:08 PM | Reply

When the POTUS does all the things the Report says he did, per #603... that just makes Trumplesheepskin swell up with pride for his country!

Or maybe that swelling is for Dicksville.

#657 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 10:13 PM | Reply

Serious question......exactly what crime has Russia committed by interfering with the 2016 election? Or should we name names instead of referencing a country?

#656 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-04-18 10:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Ha ha ha ha! Wtf?! Ha ha ha ha!

#658 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-18 10:17 PM | Reply

A Portrait of the White House and Its Culture of Chaos - www.nytimes.com

Chaos!!

...It's back in the news. haha

#659 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 10:26 PM | Reply

#657 | POSTED BY CORKY

...claimed to have me plonked. haha.

Says the caboose captain of the Creepy Joe 2020 train.

#660 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-18 10:28 PM | Reply

#660

Missing a 6.

And most of your grey matter.

So, but, you love a Pres who's aides have to refuse his orders to obstruct justice?

That's real patriotism, that is.

#661 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-18 10:57 PM | Reply

Serious question......exactly what crime has Russia committed by interfering with the 2016 election? Or should we name names instead of referencing a country?

Posted by eberly

Serious answer:

Special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russian military officials on Friday and accused them of hacking into two Democratic Party computer systems to sabotage the 2016 presidential election.

www.politico.com

#662 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-18 11:10 PM | Reply

#662 that's not a serious answer at all. Start thinking because the left is not going to win with drivel like that.

#663 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-19 12:21 AM | Reply

"I have Mueller's statement. You just make things up.
#33 | POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE AT 2019-04-18 10:18 AM"

What statement from Mueller do you have, Ben?
Are you just making things up?

#664 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-04-19 01:25 AM | Reply

#662 that's not a serious answer at all. Start thinking because the left is not going to win with drivel like that.

#663 | Posted by BruceBanner

Specific question asked, question answered with specifics. In case you've missed it, there have been oodles of threads about contacts with Russians by members of the Trump campaign and administration.

Republicans won't vote for Democrats anyway.

#665 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-19 02:10 AM | Reply

Ongoing investigations of Trump:

Federal US Attorneys:

- D.C.
- Northern District of Virginia
- Southern District of New York
- Federal prosecutors in multiple offices: Trump Campaign Fund investigation

State AG of New York:

- The Trump Foundation
- Real estate deals

The New York state tax department:

- Trump tax schemes

Trump's golf club employing undocumented immigrants:

- Multiple agencies

Attorneys general of Maryland and Washington D.C.:

- The emoluments lawsuit

Lawsuits:

- Michael Cohen's legal fees
- Summer Zervos defamation suit

Congressional investigations:

- House Intelligence Committee
- House Judiciary Committee
- House Oversight Committee
- House Financial Services Committee
- House Ways and Means Committee
- House Foreign Affairs Committee
- Senate Intelligence Committee

time.com

#666 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-19 02:32 AM | Reply

...even Speaks is still clinging to me being a Russian-bot Trumpler-fake-Bernie-bro.

LOL. just can't let go. so much invested in the media circus.

You've been lied to. Now, just look at the state of it.

#655 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

You are a Russian bot in the same sense as Denial J Trump is a Russian Bot.

The President is a criminal. An unindicted co-conspirator. The President obstructed justice. The President ALLOWED Russians to manipulate our elections to through incompetence and ineptitude.

This President will go down in flames. He will be held accountable.
And you and some idiot named helium rat continued to downplay the significance of this.

So if you are not a paid Russian Bot then that makes you an unpaid Russian Tool.

What are we doing about Russia's interference??

Nothing. Because. Putin strongly denied it.

#667 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 07:55 AM | Reply

No one who supports Donald Trump is interested in, or alarmed by, lies.

As for the rest of us, I agree with DANNI. Let's get Mueller and his team under oath and get their testimony directly.

#28 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-04-18 10:14 AM | REPLY |

Au controire, mon frere.

Donald Trump regularly troubles me.
The cussing President. It sucks having to turn the news channel when he's on because of his perverse language.

The best thing about Donald Trump is that he is not Hillary and that he is an alternative to the Democrats who are down with sex-selection abortions, infanticide, all forms of sexual immorality (although not enough GOP really care about this), and near-Communism.

The mental disorders, flat out rebellion and perversions of Dems tempt many of us to support Trump. And trust me, many of us thought we were "never Trumpers."

Keep it up with this game of "the boy who cries wolf."

#668 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-04-19 08:52 AM | Reply

Reposting here for those who are still lingering...

18 USC § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

"Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress--"

.... I'll repost the snippet that matters for the lazy...

"  or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede "

Trump is 100% guilty of obstruction of justice.

#669 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-19 08:57 AM | Reply

I am regularly troubled and do not believe Trump's lies, or things said that seem so unlikely they are most probably lies.

Why do you see so few MAGA hats?

There's also a Brady Effect going on, as GOPpers aren't given any quality alternatives to vote for.

#670 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-04-19 08:59 AM | Reply

Ahem, Bradley Effect

#671 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-04-19 09:06 AM | Reply

throw the traitor in jail.

#672 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-19 09:20 AM | Reply

The mental disorders, flat out rebellion and perversions of Dems tempt many of us to support Trump. And trust me, many of us thought we were "never Trumpers."

Oh looky. 👀

Another Deplorable who cannot bear to read the actual report

I can see why. It a devastating indictment of this President.

Humpy will get to keep the Presidency. But, he is ruined. More importantly His brand is ruined.

We do not need to impeach at all. Humpy has destroyed any shred of honor and respect he may have had.

Too bad we invented video.

Now we have all the proof we need.

Just release the videos every day of trumps lies. That should do it!!

www.cnn.com

#673 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 09:25 AM | Reply

"Why do you see so few MAGA hats?"

I don't see many of them gays because I don't hang out in with Deplorables.

I don't even know where they hang out. Bikers bars?? Bowling Alleys??
WWE wresting matches? Anti American white nationalist rallies?? Book burning rallies?? Abortion clinic bombings. Church shootings or bombings or burnings??

Yeah. Not my cup o tea. Obviously.

#674 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 09:32 AM | Reply

😂

"Gays" should have been GUYS. Thx Siri. That was kinda awesome.

#675 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 09:33 AM | Reply

Specific question asked, question answered with specifics. In case you've missed it, there have been oodles of threads about contacts with Russians by members of the Trump campaign and administration.
Republicans won't vote for Democrats anyway.

#665 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-04-19 02:10 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Stop letting cons drive the narritive you weak minded fool. Wake up.

#676 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-19 09:52 AM | Reply

#667 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

You bought into a contrived narrative, hatched and disseminated by Obama intelligence officials, fed into a DNC controlled media, and eaten whole by a rabid fan-base of Blue Dog sycophants.

A whole lotta people should be going to prison all right; beginning with Comey, Clapper, and Brennon. I got money says: when you squeeze those three turds, you get Clinton juice.

#677 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-19 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump is 100% guilty of obstruction of justice.

#669 | POSTED BY GAVASTER

Trump is guilty of a lot of things. Obstruction of justice, as it pertained to this investigation and the counter-intelligence investigation into his campaign, wasn't one of them.

#678 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-19 10:12 AM | Reply

#678 half truth. Speak in plain honest English

#679 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-19 10:38 AM | Reply

The President ALLOWED Russians to manipulate our elections to through incompetence and ineptitude. - #667 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 07:55 AM
I never knew that you felt that way about Obama, but I don't blame you.

#680 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-19 10:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

...even Speaks is still clinging to me being a Russian-bot Trumpler-fake-Bernie-bro.

LOL. just can't let go. so much invested in the media circus.

You've been lied to. Now, just look at the state of it.

#655 | Posted by SheepleSchism

No clinging necessary. Bernie supporters who want single payer healthcare and environmental protections don't suddenly join the trump cult and start other trump-supporting usernames.

Here we have a thread about trump's crimes and you're still using it to whine about liberals and repeating trump's propaganda and lies.

#681 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 11:26 AM | Reply

Trump is guilty of a lot of things. Obstruction of justice, as it pertained to this investigation and the counter-intelligence investigation into his campaign, wasn't one of them.

#678 | Posted by JeffJ

If you really read the report and that is your conclusion, see a doctor immediately.

#682 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 11:26 AM | Reply

"Specific question asked, question answered with specifics. In case you've missed it, there have been oodles of threads about contacts with Russians by members of the Trump campaign and administration."

Thanks, AU. That's exactly what I was looking for.

#683 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-19 11:27 AM | Reply

#678 - JJ

Say it 100 times really fast and you will soon believe that yourself! Despite Mueller's statement to the opposite I'll use a quote maybe you can understand.

" if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment."

#684 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-19 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's also a Brady Effect going on, as GOPpers aren't given any quality alternatives to vote for.

#670 | Posted by drivelikejehu

Horsecrap. There WERE a few anti trump repubs and they've all been voted of office. Trump is what your party wants. He is the best representative of the republican mind - stupid, racist, corrupt, and cruel.

#685 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 11:28 AM | Reply

Sorry Jeff. Based on the "facts" and the "applicable legal standards" Mueller's report says it can not be stated that Trump did not obstruct justice. And yet here you are saying it does. I don't believe your expertise and knowledge of the facts and applicable laws supersedes that of Muller's.

#686 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-04-19 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump Clean.

Dem Hoax Destroyed.

There it is.

#687 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 11:50 AM | Reply

You bought into a contrived narrative, hatched and disseminated by Obama intelligence officials, fed into a DNC controlled media, and eaten whole by a rabid fan-base of Blue Dog sycophants.

A whole lotta people should be going to prison all right; beginning with Comey, Clapper, and Brennon. I got money says: when you squeeze those three turds, you get Clinton juice.

#677 | Posted by SheepleSchism

un huh. How are those "investigations" going?

Meanwhile, back in Reality Land we have a report showing Russian interference on massive scale with Trump and his allies eagerly complicit.

The report show obstruction of justice.

The report shows abuse of power.

And you try and pretend that none of that happens and its Comey's and the evil Dems fault.

And I am the one who has bought into a "narrative"?

Well, if you mean I believe the a narrative now illuminated by a 2 year investigation into the Trump family's corruption?

Yes. Read the report. You clearly haven't or can't. Too painful.

And you should be ashamed of your part in denying the Russian interference.

The report shows you to be lying fool. Or a Russian Tool.

Or both.

#688 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 11:51 AM | Reply

Thanks, AU. That's exactly what I was looking for.

#683 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-04-19 11:27 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

You're thinking like a conservative who is trying to get away with a crime. Try thinking like a conservative who is evaluating a Dem.

#689 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-19 12:07 PM | Reply

I don't even know where they hang out. Bikers bars?? Bowling Alleys??
WWE wresting matches? Anti American white nationalist rallies?? Book burning rallies?? Abortion clinic bombings. Church shootings or bombings or burnings??

Yeah. Not my cup o tea. Obviously.

#674 | Posted by donnerboy

How willfully clueless of you.

We are your neighbors. Even in California.

#690 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 12:35 PM | Reply

Who is actually reading the report? I'm going with "none of you."

The report is written with summaries up front that sound just like the Mueller stories you've been jacking to for 2 years. Then, you read the actual details of what Mueller found and you say "what the f*xk has everybody going on about over this?"

There is no there there behind the smokescreen.

#691 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 12:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

-You're thinking like a conservative who is trying to get away with a crime. Try thinking like a conservative who is evaluating a Dem.

Because I asked that question? You concluded what I'm thinking from that?

sorry....you're wrong. I am thinking like someone who hasn't been following this issue due to my busy schedule.

#692 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-19 12:43 PM | Reply

Here's an excerpt of the summary on pages 5-7 regarding Manafort and Gates:

"We learned that two Trump campaign officials, campaign manager Paul Manafort and Manafort's deputy Rick Gates, were regularly providing polling information to a Russian national whom Gates believed to be a 'spy.'"

Ostensibly, this is a summary of pages 134-141.

In order to understand what's being described in this section, you need to have the cited materials. "Gates 1/30/18 302" is a reference to FBI form 302, which is the report through which an FBI agent summarizes what was said in an investigatory interview. Most everything in this section is based upon either (1) what Gates told the FBI in early 2018 as summarized in one of several 302's, or (ii) early 2016 emails from Gates and Manafort.

What we actually learned is that Manafort started scheming with Kilimnik before joining the Trump campaign. Manafort joined the campaign in late March 2016, after agreeing to "work without pay." Why? Because according to Gates, Manafort intended to use his involvement in the Trump campaign to improve his standing among former Ukrainian clients: one who hadn't paid a $2 million invoice, and a second that was suing him (Deripaska) (page 135), for which Manafort had worked in 2005 (page 131). As soon as Manafort took the helm, he started sending data to Kilimnik (page 136), which would be forwarded to Deripaska... because Manafort thought it would be "good for business." (page 131).

The report specifically concludes that: "The investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

Run with it, Gump! Run!

LOL

#693 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Book burning rallies??

Gotta burn all those books written by whitefolk.

"Our library collections, because they are written mostly by straight white men, are a physical manifestation of white men ideas taking up all the space in our library stacks. Pause here and think about this.

Ms Leung, an academic librarian, is unhappy that public libraries in the US, a white-majority culture with a white-majority history, tend to have, among other things, lots of books by authors with pale skin. This, we're told, is an "interesting mini-eureka moment" that our Queen of Intersectional Rumination feels compelled to share. When Ms Leung discovers that public libraries in China and South Korea have quite a few books by Chinese and Korean authors, I'm sure she'll be equally aghast. Every bit as offended.

Ms Leung airs her distaste for "white men ideas" -- as if they had been uniform across continents and throughout history -- while reminiscing about attending a "white AF conference" two years earlier. I was unsure what the "AF" might refer to and searched for some literary or scholarly explanation. It then occurred to me that a "white AF conference" is, to borrow the woke vernacular, a white as ---- conference. Which is how not-at-all-racist academic librarians convey their thoughts, apparently.*

davidthompson.typepad.com

#694 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-19 12:45 PM | Reply

--I am thinking like someone who hasn't been following this issue due to my busy schedule.

You're not missing anything. It's like 3 or 4 arguments repeated 600 times on this thread.

#695 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-19 12:51 PM | Reply

Trump Clean.

Dem Hoax Destroyed.

There it is.

#687 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Dixville shows up to work right where he left off yesterday. Desperately peddling a lie as if anyone is going to fall for it today. No one outside fox news chumpland believes you idiot.

#696 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 12:59 PM | Reply

It's like 3 or 4 arguments repeated 600 times on this thread.

#695 | Posted by nullifidian

Tell it to dixville.

No matter how many times someone posts a direct quote proving him wrong, he keeps saying the same thing.

#697 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The report was an unmitigated win for Trump. The only ones that can't seem to accept it also couldn't and still can't accept that Hillary lost in 2016. Trump won, you lost. Again.

#698 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 01:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This whole thing shows a basic difference between conservatives and liberals.

Conservatives have very black and white views. Things are either right or wrong. There is no gray area for anything. Not convicted of a felony means total exoneration. Everything to the left of fascism is communism. People are either rich or lazy moochers.

Democrats have a far more nuance view of any given subject. Yes there are some lazy moochers gaming the system but the vast majority of poor people are poor despite being hard working. No matter how hard you work only one person will be elected president and it is likely to NOT be the hardest working person. In the real world we all know that if 10 people give 110% at work only 1 will get the promotion. 9 will have to wait for the next opening. The vast majority of low wage workers are low wage because the next rung on the ladder is occupied, not because they are bad workers or low value employees.

Mueller did not indict Trump. He left that to Congress and the AG. He explicitly DID NOT make a judgement of guilt. Trump may not be a convicted felon but he is as corrupt and slimy as they come.

#699 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-04-19 01:32 PM | Reply

Dixville shows up to work right where he left off yesterday. Desperately peddling a lie as if anyone is going to fall for it today. No one outside fox news chumpland believes you idiot.

#696 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

I've actually been reading the report. I brought all new material today, direct from Mueller. See above.

Mueller's conclusions aren't nearly what his summaries set them up to be. It's not my fault you keep repeating the same vapid, easily refuted points. He wrote 'em that way for a reason, and that reason is to sustain the coverup for all the illegal spying for as long as he can. Look into your own heart for the reason why you play along with the Mueller farce when not a single story over the last two years has panned out for you.

One does what one can, doesn't one?

#700 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 01:36 PM | Reply

Because I asked that question? You concluded what I'm thinking from that?
sorry....you're wrong. I am thinking like someone who hasn't been following this issue due to my busy schedule.

#692 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2019-04-19 12:43 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Nope. I don't buy your ignorance argument.

Like you don't see the value of free and fair elections, absent of outsider interference.

That's a big one.

#701 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-19 01:43 PM | Reply

The report was an unmitigated win for Trump. The only ones that can't seem to accept it also couldn't and still can't accept that Hillary lost in 2016. Trump won, you lost. Again.

#698 | Posted by visitor_

The only way you could think that is if you are inside the fox news bubble of delusion. Youre simply declaring your ignorance to everyone.

#702 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 01:48 PM | Reply

I've actually been reading the report.

#700 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

So why are you posting things that are the OPPOSITE of what's in the report?

#703 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 01:49 PM | Reply

Here's how you make DIXVILLE run away:

Hey DIXVILLE - the report says russia worked to elect trump. Trump says they didnt. Is trump lying or is the report a fraud?

#704 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

the report says russia worked to elect trump.
#704 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The argument all along has been, "Trump worked with Putin to win the election"; "Trump is a Russian spy"; "Trump and associates are compromised in some way by Russia".

You're goal posts have been moved all over the field, and now have their own wheels. All the "BOMBSHELLS" turned into duds. The Democrats have wasted millions to create a boogeyman that doesn't exist. But you already know this; you're just too deeply invested in the narrative that couldn't sprout wings.

#705 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-19 02:09 PM | Reply

The report says Russia ran $6500 worth of Facebook ads. And what else? I know you haven't read the report.

As for Russia hacking the DNC emails through Guccifer 2.0, I find that assertion suspicious. The FBI should examine the server itself, don't you think? Hiring DNC crony Crowdstrike to examine the server is self-serving. The Crowdstrike report relies on artifacts consistent with Russian hacking, artifacts that the CIA/FBI and independent contractors such as Crowdstrike are known to have the ability to create.

But let's take Mueller at face value -- Russia hacked the DNC emails. It is the content of the communications that damaged Hillary's campaign.

Let's also take at face value the fact that the intelligence community began spying on Trump at least as far back as 2015. Mueller's report encompasses all of the results of years of spying by Americans, Brits, Austrailians, Ukranians and yes, Russians and yet found no collusion and no obstruction.

Trump got the raw end of the stick and came out smelling like roses. Hillary got a white gloves service from the intelligence community but that wasn't enough to cover the stench of her corruption.

It's too bad you are blind to Hillary and the DNC's corruption. Or whatever reasons lead you to post here so rabidly.

#706 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:15 PM | Reply

For the record, SpeakSoftly, it isn't "running away" when a Retorter chooses not to engage the same feeble bait you keep putting out. But you keep telling yourself you scored a great win with the Mueller report. If that makes you feel better about losing the election and how you have spent the past two years, go for it.

You do you, buddy!

#707 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:18 PM | Reply

The argument all along has been, "Trump worked with Putin to win the election"

Not mine. I've always said the Russians were doing it on their own and donald was just an ignorant sucker.

#708 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-19 02:18 PM | Reply

Can't wait for the Reichstag Fire.

#472 | Posted by snoofy at 2019

Then the Night of the Long Knives.

#709 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 02:21 PM | Reply

But you keep telling yourself you scored a great win with the Mueller report

#707 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 20

Didn't get everything we wanted but, yeah...The Good Guys won.

#710 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 02:24 PM | Reply

All the "BOMBSHELLS" turned into duds.

#705 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-04-19 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Most of the bombshells were long ago reported by the American free press..

Mueller just confirmed them.

#711 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 02:28 PM | Reply

What exactly did you get from the Mueller Report that you wanted?

On what page?

The only thing that remotely resembles what you've been saying you wanted is the hypotheticals Mueller presents in his introduction. You didn't even watch the game.

He scattered a few hits around early, while pitching a complete game shutout.

#712 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:32 PM | Reply

Have a great day everybody!

#713 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:32 PM | Reply

The best thing about Donald Trump is that he is not Hillary and that he is an alternative to the Democrats who are down with sex-selection abortions, infanticide, all forms of sexual immorality (although not enough GOP really care about this), and near-Communism.

#668 | Posted by drivelikejehu at

When everything is said and done a few years from now we'll find the following things:

1) Donald paid to abort his own kids, twice.

2) Donald f----- a man in the ass, twice.

3) Donald paid the see a man f----- in the ass, three times.

4) Donald got money under the table from North Korea.

#714 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 02:35 PM | Reply

For the record, SpeakSoftly, it isn't "running away" when a Retorter chooses not to engage the same feeble bait you keep putting out. But you keep telling yourself you scored a great win with the Mueller report. If that makes you feel better about losing the election and how you have spent the past two years, go for it.

You do you, buddy!

#707 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

If you're not running away then why can't you answer a simple question: Is trump lying about russia influencing the election or is the report wrong?

#715 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Have a great day everybody!

#713 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Oh that retreat happened a lot quicker this time.

#716 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 02:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

What exactly did you get from the Mueller Report that you wanted?

#712 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2

The Report confirms absolutely that Trump is unfit for office, on about six different dimensions.

And confirms absolutely that the Russians intervened to help him get elected.

A moral moron might quarrel with my first statement.

Only a person who hates the United States would deny my second.

#717 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The argument all along has been, "Trump worked with Putin to win the election"; "Trump is a Russian spy"; "Trump and associates are compromised in some way by Russia".

You're goal posts have been moved all over the field, and now have their own wheels. All the "BOMBSHELLS" turned into duds. The Democrats have wasted millions to create a boogeyman that doesn't exist. But you already know this; you're just too deeply invested in the narrative that couldn't sprout wings.

#705 | Posted by SheepleSchism

All trump's talking points come from our fake bernie supporter.

Putin attacked our election. Trump knew about it. Trump talked with them about it. Trump benefitted from it and did not tell the authorities about it. No goal posts need to be moved. These are now historical facts.

And trump obstructed justice all over the place. That goal post is firmly where it has been since he fired comey and now we have evidence and legal analysis to back it up.

But you're on the "total exonerations! Boogeyman!" bandwagon because you're fully in trump's cult of morons/russians.

#718 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Oh that retreat happened a lot quicker this time.

#716 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 0

He's not gone. We both know people like him don't work that way.

#719 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 02:44 PM | Reply

Is trump lying about russia influencing the election or is the report wrong?

#715 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

This question is chlorox for these maggots.

#720 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 02:47 PM | Reply

"Mueller's report encompasses all of the results of years of spying by Americans, Brits, Austrailians, Ukranians and yes, Russians and yet found no collusion and no obstruction."

The results of the CI investigation, which are classified, have not been released. Mueller's criminal investigation with regard to conspiracy focused narrowly on two things: whether Trump & Team conspired with the Russian Govt to hack the DNC and Podesta etc. and whether Team Trump knowingly conspired with the IRA in its social media campaigns to influence the elections.

As for obstruction, Mueller explicitly states he did not exonerate Trump.

#721 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 02:52 PM | Reply

I'll take my HUGE Nothingburger with extra cheese and obstruction sauce. Instead of fries I'll have a side of traitor tot casserole. Thanks.

#722 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-19 02:53 PM | Reply

Look at you guys smearing your own feces all over the thread and then crowing that no one wants to chat with you.

No collusion.

No obstruction.

I feel like Sister Theresa here, doing the Lord's work with you boys.

#723 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:54 PM | Reply

As for obstruction, Mueller explicitly states he did not exonerate Trump.

#721 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

You don't say, Gal! You were counting on him to at least state there was obstruction.

Did he say there was obstruction?

#724 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:56 PM | Reply

So, you're saying there's a chance!

#725 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:58 PM | Reply

Mueller Report:

"if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. ... Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

#726 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 03:02 PM | Reply

#723 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 20

Told you he was still here.

#727 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 03:04 PM | Reply

Look at you guys smearing your own feces all over the thread and then crowing that no one wants to chat with you.

No collusion.

No obstruction.

I feel like Sister Theresa here, doing the Lord's work with you boys.

#723 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Oh I thought you ran away.

Here's some more bug spray for you: Is trump lying about russia not influencing the election or is the report wrong?

#728 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:05 PM | Reply

Let's make him leave again: DIX-who's lying about Russian influence in the election for Trump? Trump or Mueller?

#729 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 03:07 PM | Reply

I can't quit you, guys!

Your tears are like crack for me.

This time, you'll see the back of me.

I gotta quit you, guys!

#730 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 03:07 PM | Reply

See responses above. Mueller found no collusion, right?

Right.

#731 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 03:08 PM | Reply

I gotta quit you, guys!

#730 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Liar.

#732 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 03:08 PM | Reply

emptywheel @emptywheel

I've said this before, but note how this "did not establish" language, even while admitting some receptivity from Trump people, ONLY covers "election interference" activities.

Some of these contacts were about graft, not the election.

"In sum, the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russian offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away. Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."

#733 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 03:08 PM | Reply

See responses above. Mueller found no collusion, right?

Right.

#731 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

That has nothing to do with the question so here it is again:

Is trump lying about russia not influencing the election or is the report wrong?

Run away now.

#734 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:09 PM | Reply

See responses above.

731 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

You didn't respond.

Liar.

#735 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-19 03:10 PM | Reply

DIXVILLES hilarious deflections, fake misunderstandings, and fake "I'm done here"s are hilarious. This question really scares you doesnt it?

#736 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:12 PM | Reply

In light of the hundred pages the redacted Mueller report spends recounting the contacts between Russian government-linked individuals and entities, it is worth taking a moment to recall the frequency and certitude with which President Trump and members of his campaign told the American people that there had been no contact with Russians during the campaign:

Paul Manafort on ABC's This Week, in response to a question of whether there were any ties between Trump, Manafort, or the campaign and Putin and his regime: "No, there are not. That's absurd. And you know, there's no basis to it."

Donald Trump Jr. told CNN's Jake Tapper that the Clinton campaign's suggestion that Russia was helping Trump was "disgusting" and "phony," noting, "Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie."

Kellyanne Conway, asked whether anyone involved in the Trump campaign had any contact with Russians trying to meddle with the election, responded, "Absolutely not. And I discussed that with the president-elect just last night. Those conversations never happened. I hear people saying it like it's a fact on television. That is just not only inaccurate and false, but it's dangerous."

Vice President-elect Mike Pence on Fox News Sunday, in response to a question of whether there was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or cutouts: "Of course not. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign?"

White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders denied contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign, stating, "This is a nonstory because to the best of our knowledge, no contacts took place, so it's hard to make a comment on something that never happened."

Asked at a press conference whether he could say definitively that nobody on his campaign had any contacts with the Russians during the campaign, Trump himself said, "No. Nobody that I know of. Nobody ... I have nothing to do with Russia. To the best of my knowledge no person that I deal with does."

All of these statements were false, and they are only a few of the many examples of campaign officials making such comments.


www.lawfareblog.com

#737 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I gotta quit you, guys!
#730 | Posted by DixvilleNotch
Liar.
#732 | Posted by Zed

You penetrate me, Zed.

#738 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 03:20 PM | Reply

I said I take the Mueller Report at face value. Mueller doesn't quantify Russia's interference does he? He says no collusion with the campaign occurred.

Did you read the report boys? Can you see straight with all that partying you're doing? You must be overjoyed with the possibilities raised by the no collusion finding.

I know you find the prospect of getting the last word in this circle j*rk of a thread to be delicious. One of you is going to have to defer to the other. Best of luck.

#739 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 03:27 PM | Reply

With regard to obstruction, Mueller basically says, Under DOJ rules you can't indict a sitting president. I am, therefore, not going to indict Trump, and since I can't indict him, I won't come out and say he obstructed justice, because without a trial he will have no way to defend himself and present his side of the story. I will, however, lay out the evidence I found for obstruction so that should Congress decide to impeach him now or should a federal prosecutor would wish to indict him when he is out of office, they will have this evidence to use/consider. That's why Barr swooped in to claim the president didn't obstruct justice, but Mueller never makes that claim, and in fact goes out of his way to point out if he could have exonerated the president on obstruction charges, he would have done so.

#740 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I feel like Sister Theresa here, doing the Lord's work with you boys.

#723 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

You sound like Navin R. Johnson without any of his guilelessness.

#741 | Posted by YAV at 2019-04-19 03:38 PM | Reply

-Is trump lying about russia not influencing the election or is the report wrong?

You mean attempting to influence the election?

#742 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-19 03:39 PM | Reply

I think Roger Stone's in a world of hurt after reading more of this report. His name fits too many places where it's blacked out with "Harm to Ongoing Matter"

Eb - "You mean attempting to influence the election?"
I'm jumping in here because Muller's report doesn't hedge or say "attempting to influence." It flat out states:
The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
on page 9, right at the start.

#743 | Posted by YAV at 2019-04-19 03:43 PM | Reply

And then Mueller details what he means by sweeping and systematic.

For kicks, Mueller throws in that there was no collusion with Trump.

#744 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 03:46 PM | Reply

You gotta read past page 9. That part is for suckers.

#745 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 03:47 PM | Reply

"Mueller doesn't quantify Russia's interference does he? He says no collusion with the campaign occurred."

He says collusion isn't a term he used (bold mine):

"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of "collusion." In so doing, the Office recognized that the word "collud[e]" was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation's scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation.

But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office 's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign "coordinat[ed]"- a term that appears in the appointment order-with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion, "coordination" does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement-tacit or express- between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

Mueller determined that coordination "requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests." But "two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other's actions or interests" sure sounds like collusion to me.

#746 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 03:47 PM | Reply

IOW:

Dean Ray @itsthatdeanguy

It's almost like all the reporting was accurate, and the only thing they got wrong was how high the legal standard is for the president and his family to be charged with a crime.

#747 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-19 03:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

I know you find the prospect of getting the last word in this circle j*rk of a thread to be delicious. One of you is going to have to defer to the other. Best of luck.

#739 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

We're not trying to get the last word. We're trying to get you to answer a simple question. I actually want YOU to have the last word but you can't give it for some reason. So here's another chance:

Is trump lying about russia trying to influence the election for trump or is the mueller report wrong about russia trying to influence the election for trump?

But now I have an additional question: why does answering the above question scare you so badly that you're willing to run away repeatedly, dodge, deflect, or change the subject to avoid answering it?

#748 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-19 03:51 PM | Reply

I gotta quit you, guys!

#730 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

You're head over heals in love with Democrats?

A song for you: www.youtube.com

#749 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-19 03:55 PM | Reply

It's almost like all the reporting was accurate, and the only thing they got wrong was how high the legal standard is for the president and his family to be charged with a crime.

#747 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

You are a pistol, Gal!

That's another way of saying nothing they reported was accurate.

#750 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-04-19 04:06 PM | Reply

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