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Wednesday, April 17, 2019

Disclosure of tax payments would make it easier to hold politicians accountable. It also would help to reduce fraud and economic inequality. In October 1924, the federal government threw open for public inspection the files that recorded the incomes of American taxpayers, and the amounts they had paid in taxes.

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Feels like the LDS is taking over...bwaaaa he he he ha ha ha ha haw

#1 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-04-17 11:22 AM | Reply

Opinion---------- screw you

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-17 11:23 AM | Reply

Being 'public' and being 'available to congress' is 2 different things.

#3 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-04-17 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't agree. I believe it should be up to the voter to reject candidates who don't show their returns. If Trump got elected without showing his returns, then so be it-- that's democracy for ya. He's a miserable piece of ---- but then again, he did get a bunch of similar-minded morons to vote for him so actually our problem is with them, not with him.

Unfortunately, America can be held hostage by stupidity, and as a result, we get the leaders we deserve.

#4 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-17 11:32 AM | Reply

Would never happen. Both Dems and Reps would block this immediately. Dems would block it because it would expose their lie to their constituents (who seem to believe that ignoring the lie makes it OK) that there are no rich Dems and they are all hard working, middle-class Americans who can relate to everyone and just has everyone's best interests in mind...and Reps would block it because, well, I don't think I need to explain their corruptness regarding financial matters.

#5 | Posted by humtake at 2019-04-17 12:21 PM | Reply

It's an interesting idea, but you're right it'd never get through congress as it is today.

#6 | Posted by qcp at 2019-04-17 12:30 PM | Reply

Dems would block it because it would expose their lie to their constituents that there are no rich Dems and they are all hard working, middle-class American
#5 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Where do you come up with this garbage? When has anyone acted like John Kerry or Bloomberg or the Kennedy's are not obscenely rich? You know nothing about democrats.

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-04-17 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Where's the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" crowd?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-17 01:06 PM | Reply

I prefer privacy on this. Thank you.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 01:07 PM | Reply

"their lie to their constituents ... that there are no rich Dems "

Do you have a legitimate link to that claim, or did you just pull it out of your ass?

Go on: ANY link, from ANY elected Democratic Congressperson, claiming there are no rich Democrats.

Until then, you're just a brazen liar, willing to post anything for your "team".

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 01:16 PM | Reply

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This is stupid.
There's no reason for anyone to know what somebody is making unless they're in government, or upper management of a publicly traded company.

#11 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-17 01:21 PM | Reply

Btw, why do they release professional athletes contracts?

#12 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-17 01:21 PM | Reply

I like the idea of it being public.

It would shine a glaring light on income and wealth inequality.

Americans consistently underestimate how severe our income inequality is.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-17 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There's no reason for anyone to know what somebody is making"

Sure there is.
How else would you even know if you're getting the shaft?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-17 01:23 PM | Reply

FTA: "Consider that public corporations are required to report the compensation of top executives -- who check disclosures of rival companies to ensure they are not underpaid."

Something like this would go along way towards helping folks on the other end of the economic spectrum.

#15 | Posted by qcp at 2019-04-17 01:33 PM | Reply

QPC,
Not trying to be difficult, but I'm not following.
I think the real problem for low wage earners is hours. There just aren't enough available where they work because they don't want to pay bennies.

#16 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-17 01:45 PM | Reply

#7 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

I think Humtake and many other conservatives here are under the rather misinformed idiotic belief that there aren't a lot of well off Liberals. Not to mention that the vast majority of Liberals are just fine with Capitalism for that matter - as long as it is well controlled and not free reign. For that matter I think many liberals are even okay with free reign capitalism. They have created this mythology about Liberals and Democrats that would be funny if it wasn't actually kind of scary.

#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-17 01:49 PM | Reply

#16, You're right to an extent but when Juan sees that they're paying Jim Bob $3 more an hour for the same part time job then he's got a leg to stand on when he asks for more.

#18 | Posted by qcp at 2019-04-17 02:03 PM | Reply

18
We are dealing with a similar situation at work.
Service guys chatted about what they make, and a newer guy is making more than some of the other guys that have been here years longer.
The reality was we couldn't fill the job because the wage was too low, so they upped it coincidentally by $3/hour.

The new guy should have kept his mouth shut because now the jealous ones will sabotage him.

I need those dummies out in the field, not posting on dr....errr sitting in the back griping.

#19 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-17 02:11 PM | Reply

I understand how that can be a sticky situation but those "dummies" you need in the field are people you hired and have a responsibility towards and they also need to be fairly compensated. It's too bad they don't have a union to deal with management when it comes to stuff like this. And if you're one of those companies pinning your workers below 40 hours a week just so you don't have to provide benefits then shame on you.

#20 | Posted by qcp at 2019-04-17 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19 | Posted by 101Chairborne

If you think people won't talk about what they and others make, well it's just shortsighted. We have the same issue. Executives think people shouldn't and won't talk about it. Millennials and down are particularly prone to talking about it but everyone does.

Bottom line you need to be paying the going rate to employees if you are hiring someone else at a higher rate. They may sabotage him or they may get their money out of you in other ways. I don't know why so many of the management teams / managers out there don't understand that. Today in this situation in particular you pretty much have to be fair in your pay rates and be prepared to defend the differences with VALID reasons or face a hostile work force...

#21 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-17 04:05 PM | Reply

"I need those dummies out in the field, not posting on dr....errr sitting in the back griping.
#19 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE"

What you pay is not in line with what you expect.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-17 04:18 PM | Reply

20
The company in general, but me in particular, need those guys.
They're still dummies.
It's a full time position but the ones that complain about the work have to be spoken to about not even putting in 40 hrs a week. Same guys that give away their ot and on call.
Even the "good" ones aren't hard workers sans the oldest one that takes all the ot and on call and stays out of the griping.

It's a thankless job that requires a drivers license and GED.

They can really cripple an account for me though, and far too often they do through no malice.

#23 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-17 04:28 PM | Reply

You get what you pay for.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-17 04:29 PM | Reply

I'm not trying to Brad Winston you, 21, but I was raised to not talk about such things, and nobody in my circle does.
I get that others do, I just find it distasteful.

These guys are paid industry standard (the guys tend to bounce to competitors and vice versa...usually due to dislike of coworkers).

I tell owners/management all the time that we attract bad people because we pay support staff poorly. They're willing to take their chances.

#25 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-17 04:38 PM | Reply

Being 'public' and being 'available to congress' is 2 different things.

#3 | Posted by kudzu

What is the difference?

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-17 05:03 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, America can be held hostage by stupidity, and as a result, we get the leaders we deserve.

#4 | Posted by NerfHerder

Tax returns won't tell us which are stoopid and which are not.

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-17 05:04 PM | Reply

Where's the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" crowd?

#8 | Posted by snoofy

That's the lib line sno.

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-17 05:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm not trying to Brad Winston you, 21, but I was raised to not talk about such things, and nobody in my circle does.
I get that others do, I just find it distasteful.
#25 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

I'm just the opposite. I'm open with my salary with colleagues in my field. I grew up in a pro-union household and my mom, grandma and grandpa all instilled into me the belief that owners/management will short change you any chance they get. Transparency is key to taking back some negotiating power. I'm suspicious of anyone who won't say what they make.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a mercenary. I constantly keep an eye on the market and sites where people self report their incomes and as soon as I sense a better offer is out there I'm demanding a raise or jumping ship. If income tax returns were public I would be looking up what those in my field are earning to make sure I'm not getting shorted. With the way things are anymore, unless you are at a union shop, staying at the same company long term might get you an extra week of vacation but that doesn't make up for what you are losing in salary as you continue to fall further behind the market.

#29 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-04-17 05:14 PM | Reply

29 - So you can get ahead in today's market by hard work? I didn't think it was possible anymore.

#30 | Posted by homerj at 2019-04-17 05:25 PM | Reply

Another way to mine data. Too much of that already.

#31 | Posted by Pirate at 2019-04-17 05:25 PM | Reply

29 - So you can get ahead in today's market by hard work? I didn't think it was possible anymore.

#30 | POSTED BY HOMERJ

I never said I work hard. In fact, if I'm at a company where I'm having to "work hard" day in and day out then it's because the company is understaffed or I probably don't have other quality people around me doing their jobs. You can bet I'll be out the door sooner than later in that scenario. It's not hard to find someone out there willing to pay me more while I'm doing less.

#32 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-04-17 05:46 PM | Reply

Where's the "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" crowd?

#8 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-04-17 01:06 PM | REPLY

Hiding with the "It's my private data!" crowd.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-18 08:06 AM | Reply

Everyone's Income Taxes Should Be Public?

Heck yeah, along with their medical records and sexual histories and proclivities. /s

#34 | Posted by Daniel at 2019-04-18 09:04 AM | Reply

Liens are public knowledge, yet we elect representatives that dont pay their taxes

#35 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-18 03:31 PM | Reply

I'd like to know how much everyone gets from the government.

#36 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-19 08:07 AM | Reply

Hard to believe this is even an issue. And it would not be.

If not for Humpy and the Deplorables.

Americans should know who their President is and who or what he is compromised by.

This is not rocket science. It's common sense.

Something we as a nation haven't had for a while now.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-19 08:09 AM | Reply

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I think we need a law that says that.

#38 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-04-19 08:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm suspicious of anyone who won't say what they make.... If income tax returns were public I would be looking up what those in my field are earning to make sure I'm not getting shorted.

The problem is that not everyone is as honest as you. For every one person like you, there would be a 100 using incomes to identify the best identity theft targets...and 1000's using the info to flood someone with hard luck stories and teary requests for donations or handouts. Haven't you ever read some of the horror stories of lottery winners?

#39 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-04-19 09:10 AM | Reply

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