Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Tuesday, April 16, 2019

The Syrian conflict, while hardly over, is diminishing. The Syrian people clearly lost, but who -- other than the barbarous Assad regime -- won? One candidate is Russia, whose military intervention helped save the regime and which has re-emerged as a power broker in the Middle East. Carol Saivetz of MIT, however, argues this may be a mixed blessing for Moscow. Although the regime has accomplished many things in Syria, these accomplishments have created new problems that will be tricky for Moscow to solve.

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You and I are obviously reading the same articles, Lamp, first the Pelosi warning article and now this.

Really good analysis of the complexities of the Iran/Russia/Turkey triangle overlaying Syria with Israel as the counterweight.

Most people have never heard of the Astana Process and its implications for Russia, in the long term, are bleak in that there is no good resolution to any of the scenarios listed in the article.

As the authors point out in the conclusion, Putin would probably be best off if the US leaves 400-1000 troops in theater, which is appearing more likely regardless of Donnie Little Hands posturing.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-16 03:01 PM | Reply

No one can create more chaos and death than the United States, we are the greatest.

#2 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-17 12:52 AM | Reply

We didn't create the war in Syria, Assad did. He started murdering and toruring his own people. The Syrian people hate him and want him dead.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-17 07:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He's so hated that 99% of displaced Syrians choose to live in areas under his control, and non-Alawites (the people you say hate him) make up 85% of the armed forces, and virtually all of their allied militias. That 85% of the army could oust the alawites if they wan't. They don't, they accept Assad's leadership.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-17 08:38 AM | Reply

Like Hussein, Assad is not a nice guy and does not tolerate opposition people or parties etc. The chickenhawk Neoons running our country hate Assad because he is aligned with Iran, that we hate even more. But, Syria's troubles began with extreme drought and crop failures. The US decided to take advantage of the situation to destabilize the country further and began arming ISIS, which they had been fighting in Iraq. Go figure. The madness of strategic thinkers in DC knows no bounds. Bolton, Pompeo and Pence are literally insane religious fanatics determined realize Biblical prophesies and they are in charge of US foreign policy. How insane is that?

#5 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-17 09:08 AM | Reply

Yeah that's probably why they've had these last few years of civil war as Assad bombed their cities into rubble. I'm sure the population just loves him for it.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-17 09:14 AM | Reply

They love him more than the US backed forces.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-17 09:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We didn't create the war in Syria, Assad did. He started murdering and toruring his own people."

And American interventionists and MIC wanted to be able to murder and psychologically torture Syrians too. So they jumped into the fray without a thought of the repercussions...

#8 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-17 11:36 AM | Reply

I seem to remember a guy who didn't want to intervene, Obama. And Assad was murdering and torturing people long before this, he just scaled it up. Read up on his dad.

#9 | Posted by bruceaz at 2019-04-17 11:52 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Where on earth did you find those stats? Alawites and Christians and Shia were his base of power against Sunnis (which includes the Kurds) which made up 74% of the population of the country. The Alawites completely dominated the military. When the fight was at Damascus even the Alawites were resisting against his forced recruiting. And don't forget he has Iranian, Hezbollah AND Russian forces all in the country and on his side.

I have a feeling that Lebanon is going to be in trouble when Hezbollah starts to roll back home.

As for loving him more than the US backed forces - depends who "they" are and which forces you speak of. The Kurds in general are well liked unlike Turkey's radical al qaeda. I am thinking about 75% of Syrians hate him still. Don't forget it was Assad and Russia who bombed most of the country into rubble. Indiscriminately killing civilians caught up in the battles and bombing hospitals to rubble. His regime isn't even loved universally by Alawites anymore but they do fear what would happen to them without him or another Alawite in control.

#10 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-17 01:33 PM | Reply

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#5 | Posted by bayviking

Based on everything I know you are incorrect after crop failures. ISIS didn't even arrive until well after the civil war was under way.

#11 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-17 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well there is something to that story. The Syrian Civil War had it's own Al-Queda vs ISIS ideological war that happened early in it. Al Queda/Nursa Front were backdoored by ISIS forces who claimed their own one true caliphate. 80% of Al Nursa defected and joined ISIS. Realistically you can say ISIS fighters have been there the entire time. It's the same people fighting, just for 2 different named factions, coming from the same direction, with the same purpose, with the same financial backers.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-04-17 01:48 PM | Reply

#11

Shhh, that deflates the Climate Change Causation Narrative.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-17 02:37 PM | Reply

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter

Actually no it doesn't - I acknowledge that the crop failures were a key part of the unrest that resulted in civil war. The timeline is very clear in my mind.

If anything BV diminished it with his ISIS timing...

#14 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-17 04:11 PM | Reply

"And Assad was murdering and torturing people long before this, he just scaled it up. Read up on his dad."

Yup.

The thing is, they were killing the predecessors of the Islamist groups like ISIS that dominate political Islam today. So was Khaddafi. Hussein wasn't killing them, but he was keeping them in check.

In these countries, you have two options. A brutal dictator that suppresses political Islam through the suppression of political freedom, or you can have ISIS. There are no third options.

#15 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-17 09:59 PM | Reply

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