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Monday, April 15, 2019

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Monday her Democratic Party must avoid the "menace" of liberal policies pushed by rising political stars if it wants to beat President Donald Trump in the 2020 election.

The top congressional Democrat used an appearance at the London School of Economics to set out a centrist vision that could help woo Republican voters frustrated with Trump's approach.

She followed standard US diplomatic protocol of senior officials not criticising the president while abroad.

But she made explicitly clear that new Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez -- an emerging force in US politics who is often simply referred to as AOC -- and fellow young progressives elected in 2018 represented only the margins of American society.

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... But she made explicitly clear that new Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ... and fellow young progressives elected in 2018 represented only the margins of American society. ...

Well, it certainly will be interesting to watch this play out.

My current opinion agrees with Spkr Pelosi's comments on this point.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 07:13 PM | Reply

#1

Careful, Clown and Snoofy will accuse you of being a "concern troll" if you dare cross Progressive Unorthodoxy.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-15 07:25 PM | Reply

So.

Her message is to ignore the 2018 midterms?

Brilliant!!

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 07:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I respect a lot of what lamplighter has to say.

He's not a hack troll, like you.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 07:27 PM | Reply

On topic, what is most entertaining about this particular reverb room is that the progressive margins of society, finding other like minded loons, are completely convinced that it they who are in the mainstream of Democratic political thought, which is highly risible.

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-15 07:27 PM | Reply

#4

Ohhh, you should ice that, it looks like my #2 definitely left a mark.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-15 07:28 PM | Reply

"Careful, Clown and Snoofy will accuse you of being a "concern troll" if you dare cross Progressive Unorthodoxy."

Concern trolling Lamplighter?
That's funny.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 07:36 PM | Reply

My current opinion agrees with Spkr Pelosi's comments on this point.
#1 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

You represent a conservative voter who's fed up with the Republican Party and welcome a moderate democratic candidate.

I'm a liberal voter who's fed up with the Democratic Party worrying more about moderate Americans than liberal ones.

I'm also concerned Nancy Pelosi isn't embracing the wave of new ideas and new faces which gripped the Democratic Party in 2018.

Like you said. It certainly will be interesting to watch this play out.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#3 ... Her message is to ignore the 2018 midterms? ...

To me it looks as if she is building upon what was learned in the 2018 midterms.

The 2018 midterms were Congressional-district based. Local.

The 2020 Presidential election is Electoral College based. State-wide.

Big difference. The very local Congressional district contests tend to bring to the more extreme candidates.

The 2018 Senate races were more representative of the 2020 Presidential race than the 2018 House races were.

How did the Democrats do in the 2018 Senate races? How many Senate seats did they gain?


#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#8

I do not disagree.

But it is always good to have a discussion, eh? :)

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"AOC -- and fellow young progressives elected in 2018 represented only the margins of American society."

She's right in that anyone who votes in a midterm is definitely on the margins of society.

So it's a safe claim to make because it's not really claiming anything.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 07:39 PM | Reply

@#9

tend to bring to the more

should be

tend to bring to the fore

#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 07:40 PM | Reply

How did the Democrats do in the 2018 Senate races? How many Senate seats did they gain?

This is a difficult question to answer as not all seats were being voted on.

33 seats were up for election. It seems Republicans picked up two seats.

But.

Based on this (which I could be misinterpreting) en.m.wikipedia.org Democrats did pretty well.

#13 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 07:47 PM | Reply

--are completely convinced that it they who are in the mainstream of Democratic political thought

The DR Left probably represents the far-left 10 percent of the population, but like True Believers, thinks the party should bow to them. Nancy Pelosi obviously doesn't think so.

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told CBS's "60 Minutes" that the left flank of the House Democratic caucus represented by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) is "like five people" in a Sunday interview.

Asked by Lesley Stahl about potential insurrections or pushback from the progressive wing of the party, Pelosi responded, "That's like five people."

Ouch!

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-15 07:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13 continued

Particularly the 5.5% increase in swing.

#15 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 07:50 PM | Reply

"Nancy Pelosi says Democrats won the House because of ‘mainstream, hold the centre victories'. Adds a ‘glass of water with a D next to its name' would have won in her own or @AOC's districts."

lol

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-15 07:52 PM | Reply

Too bad Pelosi hasn't learned it takes more than a D next to your name to beat Trump.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 07:58 PM | Reply


@#13 ... Based on this (which I could be misinterpreting) en.m.wikipedia.org Democrats did pretty well. ...

That wikipedia link didn't work. I found this one: en.wikipedia.org

which states (among a lot of other things):

...The Republicans maintained a Senate majority following the 2018 elections, defeating Democratic incumbents in Florida, Indiana, Missouri and North Dakota. Democrats won two Republican-held seats, defeating incumbent Dean Heller in Nevada and winning an open seat in Arizona that was previously held by Jeff Flake. ...

So Republicans flipped two Senate seats for every Senate seat the Democrats flipped.

Not the best of ratios, imo.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 08:04 PM | Reply

Problem is. With 18 candidates, you need stand outs. People with strong ideas and the ability to clearly communicate them.

I'd suggest they all start speaking up and getting themselves known. They better figure out how to get Americans to know their names and give them a reason to vote for them.

2020 will be an uphill battle.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 08:06 PM | Reply


@#15 ... particularly the 5.5% increase in swing. ...

That looks like a nationwide number, not a state-by-state number.

For example (hypothetically), what if a large portion of the swing voter change occurred in California. Would it really matter if California already had 2 Democratic Senators?

#20 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 08:12 PM | Reply

#20

You're right. I misinterpreted "swing". I'm sure I was.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 08:15 PM | Reply

I respect a lot of what lamplighter has to say.
He's not a hack troll, like you.

#4 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-04-15 07:27 PM

TFF.

Here's the thing: I was about to post the exact same article, with a similar comment that I agreed with Speaker Pelosi, but Lamp beat me to it. If I had posted this, you would have completely lost your shht.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-15 09:06 PM | Reply

So.
Her message is to ignore the 2018 midterms?
Brilliant!!
#3 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

What exactly about the midterms leads you to believe enough of America wants what's currently being pushed? Especially without a mechanism to fund it...

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-15 10:11 PM | Reply

Too bad Pelosi hasn't learned it takes more than a D next to your name to beat Trump.

#17 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Yeah, it takes having policy appeal beyond the coasts.

Which means non-identity politics and effectively countering the GOP's predictable "soshulizm" accusation of every policy that isn't their pro-corporate, pro-rich people sticking it to America.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-15 10:17 PM | Reply

Trump's best bet is to turn the 2020 election into a referendum on Socialism.

About the only people who still fall for that shtick are old white people, e.g. all the Baby Boomers who are now retiring, which is a sizable voting bloc.

Probably the best way for Democrats to win them over is health care reform, which of course works in Trump's favor since it plays right into Socialism.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 10:53 PM | Reply

Probably the best way for Democrats to win them over is health care reform

If I was an independent, I would ask the following....

First what was Obamacare?

Second Democrats had congress and Presidency, they passed Obamacare, why would this be different?

Third after Obamacare lying (Gruber etal), why would I believe a Democrat about CBO markups?

Which means non-identity politics.~ JPW

Which means you lose minorities, and LGBT voters, not all of them but they won't turn out.

Heck almost every single candidate has come out for some form of reparations.

And btw, the foundation of all the FREE stuff is identity politics, just ask Snoofy, diversity for diversity's sake, has its own quality.

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-16 01:00 AM | Reply

"If I was an independent, I would ask the following....
First what was Obamacare?"

It's been law for ten years and you still don't know what Obamacare is?

Stay in school, kids!

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 01:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Her message is to ignore the 2018 midterms?

Brilliant!!

#3 | Posted by ClownShack

Well, liberals are ignoring 2016, so there's that.

#28 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-16 09:00 AM | Reply

It's amazing to me that Nancy Pelosi has become the voice of reason within the Democratic Party.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama: Worried That Progressives Are Creating "Circular Firing Squad" With Purity Tests And "Rigidity"
Posted By Tim Hains
On Date April 7, 2019

www.realclearpolitics.com

She's not alone in her concerns.

Pelosi, Obama, Hillary, and many other Dems... all are in favor of FDR-ish policy, but they don't want to destroy their chances of getting steps in the right direction from the majority of voters by demanding end results immediately.

Think of the voters as your conservative old Grampa who might be willing to give you a car for your 18th birthday... as long as you don't demand a new Corvette. Take the used Pontiac and then werk your way up.

Or think of them as as the majority of workers who, I think it was Danforth that pointed out, are not particularly ready to give up pretty good company insurance for maybe not as good public insurance. Turn O-Care into a alternate program comparable to ins to that they already have, insure the ones left out, then offer it to everyone.... for example.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-16 09:50 PM | Reply

meant the following comment to go to this thread. It's okay; I'll just crosspost each as they are mutually relevant.
www.drudge.com

#31 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-16 11:08 PM | Reply

She is absolutely wrong as everyone knows that the majority of voters lean far left and a socialist is the answer for the dems in 2020.

#32 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-04-17 04:15 PM | Reply

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