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The Republican Party on Monday tried to celebrate Tax Day by touting the purported effectiveness of its signature tax cut -- but they were quickly hit with blowback from angry taxpayers.

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Additionally, many people pointed to polls showing that the majority of Americans don't believe they got any kind of tax cut whatsoever.

Posted by reinheitsgebot at 05:03 PM | 0 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

So, by extension, they think Trump played them for fools.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-15 06:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

So, by extension, they think Trump played them for fools.
#1 | POSTED BY ZED

Do they though? I mean, it seems like it to me. But does it seem like it to them?

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-15 06:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


Oddly, I read this article today...

Trump Gave Most Americans a Tax Cut and They Didn't Notice
www.bloomberg.com

...Republicans passed a sweeping tax cut for two-thirds of Americans in 2017, saying it would pay for itself and the American public would thank them.

Now, as Americans finish filing to the IRS for the first time under the new system, the law has swelled the deficit and surveys show just one-fifth of taxpayers believe their taxes have gone down. That's made it hard for President Donald Trump to leverage the tax cuts as an issue in 2020, when he's up for re-election and his party will be seeking to retake the House of Representatives.

Republicans by convincing the American people that the main thrust of the tax reform package was to cut taxes for the wealthy," said Dan Eberhart, a major Republican donor who runs the drilling services company Canary, LLC. Republicans "failed to fully explain the success to voters."

Trump is going to try again on Monday when he goes to Minnesota, a potential swing state in the 2020 election, to promote what Republicans consider their signature legislative achievement. It's part of a week of events designed to promote the tax law's effects on the economy as he turns to his next campaign.

The Trump administration and congressional Republicans sold the tax law as fuel for economic growth and deficit reduction. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell gave assurances in December 2017 that the measure would not only contain the deficit but be a "revenue-producer." Trump's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, said last week that the tax cut package had largely already paid for itself, a statement that conflicts with government data....


#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 07:18 PM | Reply

"the GOP boasted that its tax cuts "have put money back into the pockets of hardworking Americans"

That's because the GOP defines "hardworking" as the top 20% of households.

As in, "Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households."

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 07:22 PM | Reply

So, by extension, they think Trump played them for fools.

#1 | POSTED BY ZED

They are correct.

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-04-15 07:44 PM | Reply


... the #GOPTaxCuts have put money back into the pockets of hardworking Americans so that they can spend it on things that actually matter to them & their families....

What a hoot.

The tax cut transferred a huge amount of wealth to the already wealthy.

To accomplish that trick, the Republicans saddled those hardworking middle class workers with a lifetime of debt for them and their children to back back.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 10:08 PM | Reply

I have a decent income, yet Trump's Republican "Tax Cut" raised my taxes, while giving billionaires a windfall.

To me its just one of 10,000 other Trump lies.

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-15 10:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

One specific group of taxpayers really took it on the chin....over the road truckers who lost the deduction for expenses while traveling over the road. The Trump tax cuts were a gift to the 1% and corporations and a penalty for the working class. I do hope that more of his working class base wakes up to the fact that he screwed them befor the election in 2020.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-16 06:41 AM | Reply

Trump's top economic adviser, Larry Kudlow, said last week that the tax cut package had largely already paid for itself, a statement that conflicts with government data....


The GOP has no shame when it comes to blatant public lying.

#9 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-04-16 07:54 AM | Reply

The disconnect between reality and Trump's claim of draining the swamp, or doing anything at all for "the little guy," is large -- but the light might be dawning on the masses.

#10 | Posted by cbob at 2019-04-16 09:26 AM | Reply

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The Republican Party on Monday tried to celebrate Tax Day by touting the purported effectiveness of its signature tax cut -- but they were quickly hit with blowback from angry taxpayers.
POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT

This is a lie!

Every single taxpayer who said they paid more is a Trump supporter. When I asked them about their tax return, every single one of them finally admitted that they made more money unexpectedly.

#11 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 09:58 AM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Is NOT a Trump supporter. Everyone of these people are Trump haters.

#12 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 10:00 AM | Reply

Paul Ryan and the House Republicans rolled out a new tax plan last week that promises to lower rates, eliminate tax preferences, and simplify the federal tax system. One attractive promise: "Simple, Fair ‘Postcard' Tax Filing" that would cut your income tax return down to just 14 lines.

1. The tax cuts will "pay for themselves" by creating substantial economic growth,
2. The primary benefits of the tax cuts are ear-marked for the middle-class, and
3. The richest 1% will enjoy no net benefit under the GOP plan.

Mustangy got all excited
jiffyj swooned over the "wonderful job" Paul Ryan and Trump did on "policy"
Eberly of course came to defend his girl from ridicule, as usual
rightoecentre knew someone who conveniently called to rain praise on the "plan"
spork, mgst, and boaz wrote something unfathomably ignorant
and so, on and so forth.

Note none are here on this thread with their usual "mark my words" and "you just wait" malarkey
Must be something going on in Venezuela, you know, cause merica

#13 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-04-16 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I have a decent income, yet Trump's Republican "Tax Cut" raised my taxes, while giving billionaires a windfall.
To me its just one of 10,000 other Trump lies.

#7 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

This "average joe" jackass unexpectedly made more money this year. Who's lying?

#14 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 10:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well, once again logic escapes so many people and commenters. First off, there is no tax system that can ever be invented for greater than a million people that won't have a number of them mad about it. Some changes will hurt people, some will help. The ones it hurts are going to whine. It's inevitable and has nothing to do with the grand scheme. The problem we have is accountability. We do not have a way of truly counting dissatisfaction, which would then allow us to create thresholds so that the government can be held accountable to a quantitative number. Second, and more importantly, Obama already did this. I think it was like 2014 or 2015. I remember specifically getting a boost in my paychecks and then a lower tax return. So for Reps saying how great Trump is for doing this, it wasn't his idea. For Dems demonizing him for it, remember your Messiah did it first. I assume other Presidents have done it but don't know 100% like I do with Obama and Trump.

#15 | Posted by humtake at 2019-04-16 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Good post. Making something like this political is dumb especially when a report has to lie about it to get a story.

#16 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 12:15 PM | Reply

"Second, and more importantly, Obama already did this. I think it was like 2014 or 2015. I remember specifically getting a boost in my paychecks and then a lower tax return."

One huge difference: Obama was up front about what he was doing. Team Trump purposely designed it so folks weren't aware the vast majority of the increase in take-home was from their wallet...until they filed their taxes.

Do you see the difference, or do you choose not?

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump gave MASSIVE PERMANENT tax cuts to the rich who didn't need it, and put a time bomb in our budget that will explode after he's gone and his cult will blame someone else.

To get the morons to go along with this, trump gave SMALL TEMPORARY tax cuts to everyone else.

You can see some of those morons on this very thread, trumpeting about their crumbs, blind to the big picture.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-16 01:29 PM | Reply

"trump gave SMALL TEMPORARY tax cuts to everyone else."

Not exactly true. One of my mornings this tax season began with a longtime client, a 77yr old great grandmother whose "tax cut" took $300 out of her refund.

And why? What was the reason she was in a pocket of "losers" in the tax cut???

Because she gave too much money to her church.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One specific group of taxpayers really took it on the chin....over the road truckers who lost the deduction for expenses while traveling over the road. The Trump tax cuts were a gift to the 1% and corporations and a penalty for the working class. I do hope that more of his working class base wakes up to the fact that he screwed them befor the election in 2020.

#8 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-04-16 06:41 AM | REPLY

That's a lie, if you are self employed, which most truckers are you fill out a profit and loss from your business. In it are travel expenses and more importantly for them vehicle expenses. This form did not change. Major change was in the deduction which doubled. This was after your P &L determined what your income was. If you are driving for a company and are an employee you can take per diem payments which would help.

#20 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-16 01:40 PM | Reply

Well, once again logic escapes so many people and commenters. First off, here is what was promised by the GOP

1. The tax cuts will "pay for themselves" by creating substantial economic growth,
2. The primary benefits of the tax cuts are ear-marked for the middle-class, and
3. The richest 1% will enjoy no net benefit under the GOP plan.

#21 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-04-16 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's a lie, if you are self employed..."

So you're admitting it's true if you're a W-2 worker? (It is.)

How is it W-2 workers' expenses suddenly became non-existent? My insurance guy called me and asked about his 27,000 miles of business travel. Not deductible any more, I told him. Ask your boss to reimburse. He said that's impossible.

I did reassure him, however, that the exemption for inherited estates has doubled to $11 million.

#22 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:44 PM | Reply

#21 The 1% did take it on the chin, less deductions as well as the big on, not being able to deduct state taxes. Middle class got to double their deductions. Someday when you aren't listed as dependant on your Mom's return you might find this out.

#23 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-16 01:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22 She was talking about over the road drivers and I responded to that. In regards to your insurance guy he should get his company to reimburse since they should be able to deduct it. Also his deduction doubling should be able cover much of it but 27k in travel is pretty high.

#24 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-16 01:52 PM | Reply

Hey, bottom line I saved a little bit this year on taxes which was better than the Democratic alternative which would be to pay more. Nice to debate that some think they didn't get enough of a cut for once. Doesn't happen that often.

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-04-16 01:54 PM | Reply

"This form did not change."

The tax laws around it did.

"Major change was in the deduction which doubled. "

No, it didn't. They didn't double it, they added the personal exemption and the standard deduction together, and added a couple of bucks.

"If you are driving for a company and are an employee you can take per diem payments."

Not if the company doesn't offer them.

#26 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:59 PM | Reply

"Hey, bottom line I saved a little bit this year on taxes "

And every taxpayer in your household just borrowed $11,000. Was the "little bit" you saved worth it?

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 02:00 PM | Reply

"Also his deduction doubling should be able cover much of it but 27k in travel is pretty high."

You don't understand the equation, do you? He used to get his deduction, AND his exemption. Now he gets less than he got before the "tax cut". Meanwhile, his family of four will have to repay $44,000...because corporations needed a 40% tax cut.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 02:03 PM | Reply

"And every taxpayer in your household just borrowed $11,000. Was the "little bit" you saved worth it?"

Depends.
Does the $11k have to get paid back, and if so, by whom?
Can't we just make Democrats pay, you know eliminate SALT deductions, that kind of thing??

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 02:04 PM | Reply

"the Democratic alternative which would be to pay more."

Riiiiiiight.

I'd forgotten: deficits only matter when Republicans believe they can blame Democrats.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 02:04 PM | Reply

"Does the $11k have to get paid back...?

Yes, save for default.

"...and if so, by whom?"

Income tax payers. Not corporations, that's for sure.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 02:05 PM | Reply

"Nice to debate that some think they didn't get enough of a cut for once."

That's not the debate.

The debate is regarding where the cuts went, who's paying for them, and whether the WH governed in bad faith or not.

And when $20 of the $26 extra was from your wallet, you're being played...by folks who knew you wouldn't realize until AFTER the midterms.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 02:16 PM | Reply

Paul Ryan and the House Republicans rolled out a new tax plan last week that promises to lower rates, eliminate tax preferences, and simplify the federal tax system. One attractive promise: "Simple, Fair ‘Postcard' Tax Filing" that would cut your income tax return down to just 14 lines.

#33 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-04-16 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 The 1% did take it on the chin, less deductions as well as the big on, not being able to deduct state taxes. Middle class got to double their deductions. Someday when you aren't listed as dependant on your Mom's return you might find this out.

#23 | Posted by fishpaw

Lie.

www.bloomberg.com

I recommend you read the whole article so you wont be so ignorant.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-16 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, bottom line I saved a little bit this year on taxes which was better than the Democratic alternative which would be to pay more. Nice to debate that some think they didn't get enough of a cut for once. Doesn't happen that often.

#25 | Posted by fishpaw

Yeah you saved a little bit, as a classic trump hush money payment to make you accept his crime of handing out massive amounts to the rich. Save that money though. When the bill for his tax cuts comes due and there's a massive budget shortfall, remember where it came from and dont whine that you have to pay to fix it.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-16 02:36 PM | Reply

"The 1% did take it on the chin"

You don't know what you're talking about. The actual equation proves exactly the opposite.

Why are you using Republican Math™ instead of actual math?

#36 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Middle class got to double their deductions."

No, they didn't.

Who is feeding you these lies, and expecting you to swallow them? More to the point, why do you acquiesce to being treated like a sucker?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 02:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I recommend you read the whole article so you wont be so ignorant."

People like Fishpaw wallow in ignorance, happy as a pig in ----.

Pretty much all Trumpers do.

Boaz is on the smarter end of the spectrum. Think about that.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 02:44 PM | Reply

"Middle class got to double their deductions"

said like someone who does not file taxes

#39 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-04-16 04:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Middle class got to double their deductions."

No, they didn't.

I just did my taxes. We got screwed again.

Individual deductions (credit) were eliminated (thousands of dollars). People now have less deductions... pay higher taxes on real estate. Many individual deductions were eliminated or capped. Just like when Reagan "overhauled" taxes. ------ again.

They were NOT overhauled for me.

I paid more taxes than I should have paid this tax year.

Thanks Humpy.

For Nothing. Again.

Oh and thanks for shutting down the government and not paying me for a month, too. That was Sooooo Special! Made my life sooo easy!!!

And BTW....how is that lie of a health care plan, The Best Plan Ever That Everyone Can Afford, coming along?

#40 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-16 04:51 PM | Reply

"When I asked them about their tax return, every single one of them finally admitted that they made more money unexpectedly.
#11 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE"

Well that certainly proves it. Perry "Jordy" Mason cross examined them, and they folded. Lol

#41 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2019-04-16 05:54 PM | Reply

The Republican Party on Monday tried to celebrate Tax Day by touting the purported effectiveness of its signature tax cut -- but they were quickly hit with blowback from angry taxpayers.
POSTED BY REINHEITSGEBOT
This is a lie!
Every single taxpayer who said they paid more is a Trump supporter. When I asked them about their tax return, every single one of them finally admitted that they made more money unexpectedly.
#11 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE
Is NOT a Trump supporter. Everyone of these people are Trump haters.
#12 | POSTED BY JORDYPETE

Wow Jordy. I didn't know you interviewed several million Americans. Do tell us how you find the time!

#42 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-16 05:56 PM | Reply

#21 The 1% did take it on the chin, less deductions as well as the big on, not being able to deduct state taxes. Middle class got to double their deductions. Someday when you aren't listed as dependant on your Mom's return you might find this out.
#23 | Posted by fishpaw
Lie.
www.bloomberg.com
I recommend you read the whole article so you wont be so ignorant.
#34 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Fishpaw became a Republican so he didn't have to read.

Same reason he goes to Denny's. He can just point at a picture on the menu and grunt.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-16 05:59 PM | Reply

"When I asked them about their tax return, every single one of them finally admitted that they made more money unexpectedly."

You're making that up.

Meanwhile, I just finished prepping tax returns for over 400 people.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 06:32 PM | Reply

Thanks, Danforth because I enjoy your perspective.

#45 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-04-16 11:27 PM | Reply

#3 yeah. $1 for me, $1 million to my landlord.

Everyone gets a tax break....

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-17 12:11 AM | Reply

Second, and more importantly, Obama already did this. I think it was like 2014 or 2015. I remember specifically getting a boost in my paychecks and then a lower tax return.

#15 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2019-04-16 12:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You got a link for that? I am calling BS.

Prior to Donny Dingbat, the last tax package passed was the 2012 ATRA which did nothing to the withholding tables.

Obama did, in 2009 cut the withholding rate for social security taxes from 6.2% to 4.2%, but you would not see that on your tax return.

#47 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-04-17 01:18 PM | Reply

Middle class got to double their deductions.

Stop regurgitating GOP --------.

2017 Married couple - Standard deduction $12,700 + 2 personal exemptions $8,100 = $20,800

2018 Married couple - Standard deduction $24,000 + no personal exemptions = $24,000.

Not double. Not even close. Proves you suck at math.

Throw in one child and their taxable income went up thanks to the GOP tax "cut".

#48 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-04-17 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#48

Yeah, but that did-int happen of Fox New, so it... did-int happen at all.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-17 01:26 PM | Reply

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