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Muslim American congresswoman Ilhan Omar has said she has received an increased number of death threats after Donald Trump repeatedly tweeted video footage of September 11 and accused Omar of downplaying the terror attacks.

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Representative Omar exposing the Sith Lords by willingly becoming the focus of their Force Lightning.

The bravest politician in DC.

#1 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 12:20 PM | Reply

Ilhan Omar has said she has received an increased number of death threats after Donald Trump repeatedly tweeted video footage of September 11 and accused Omar of downplaying the terror attacks.

Then Trump's job is complete.

Trump is not fond of brown people. Especially not Muslims.

Omar should consider herself lucky Trump hasn't challenged one of his deplorable sycophants to kill her.

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 12:24 PM | Reply

By the way.

This is what Trump is attacking her for, FTA:

"Cair was founded after 9/11," Omar said, "because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."

Only in the syphilitic mind of the Trump, does this mean she's downplaying the terror attacks.

#3 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Also.

Trump was the person (only person) claiming to see Muslims dancing on rooftops during 9/11.

DONALD TRUMP: "Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "You know, the police say that didn't happen and all those rumors have been on the Internet for some time. So did you misspeak yesterday?"

TRUMP: "It did happen. I saw it."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "You saw that ... "

TRUMP: It was on television. I saw it.

STEPHANOPOULOS: " ... with your own eyes?"

TRUMP: "George, it did happen."

STEPHANOPOULOS: "Police say it didn't happen."

www.washingtonpost.com


Trump couldn't tell the truth is his life depended on it. He never could.

The guy is pure hate. He's a disease. And he has spread across America and into the world.

#4 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I watched the video.

What a pathetic complaint.

Lefties like her know no bounds when it comes to claiming victimhood.

The irony is they are also attack dogs.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 12:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


It is no surprise that the number of death threats against Rep Omar have been increasing. Pres Trump is using her religion to rally his supporters. Charlottesville is a good example of what happens when he does something along those lines.

What also concerns me is the following... let's fast forward a year. If Pres Trump is significantly behind in the polls¹ then how more extreme and dangerous will his rhetoric have become?

_____________________________
1- my current opinion is that this would be an unlikely scenario


#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#5 ... What a pathetic complaint. ...

While I wouldn't go as far as "pathetic," I'd say it was not a significant comment.

Yet Pres Trump dug it up and seems to want to bring it to the fore lately. To the point of requiring the White House to officially state that Pres Trump meant no "ill will" towards Rep Omar.

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What a pathetic complaint. "

OBAMA is going to get someone killed

------ JeffyJ, every week of the Obamas 2 terms

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-04-15 12:57 PM | Reply

She made the stupid comment all on her own. Nobody made her say what she said. She just doesn't like being called out for it. Well, too bad.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#9 ... She made the stupid comment all on her own. ...

I wouldn't go as far as calling it stupid. But do we need to go their again?


... She just doesn't like being called out for it ...

I'd say it is not the 'calling her out for saying it' that she doesn't like. I suspect she would be all to willing too discuss her comment in a sane, rational manner. However, the number of death threats increased when Pres Trump rallied his supporters via her comment. I suspect that is the aspect she dislikes. The death threats.

Do you really think that death threats have a place in our political process?

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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this is the thread where someone's comment, be it real, imagined or concocted, deserves death threats from your fellow "citizens".

This is what substitutes for having an "honest discussion" in todays "conservative" hellhole

deplorable

#11 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-04-15 01:09 PM | Reply

Folks, folks, calm down.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders will be by shortly to explain Trump was "just joking".

#12 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-04-15 01:11 PM | Reply

Do you really think that death threats have a place in our political process?
#10 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Of course not.

All the video did was quote her actual words, as she intended them, and then showed footage of the 9/11 attack that she was attempting to diminish.

She seems to have a sense of entitlement - that she should be above any kind of criticism.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We need to do a better job vetting who let live here. Since she hates the US so much, she would be much happier somewhere else, and so would we.

#14 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-15 01:24 PM | Reply

The Republicans need their version of Emmanuel Goldstein. All they need to flash her face on the wall (in this case, place at the top of Trump's twitter page) and their constituents are whipped into homicidal frenzy.

The Republican sychophants will say, "What did we do wrong? All we did was flash her face on the wall..."

#15 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 01:27 PM | Reply

"she would be much happier somewhere else, and so would we"

She belongs here. You don't. ---- off.

#16 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We need to do a better job vetting who let live here. Since she hates the US so much, she would be much happier somewhere else, and so would we.
#14 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Here's a message from Ilhan Omar to you (FTA):

"No one person – no matter how corrupt, inept, or vicious – can threaten my unwavering love for America," Omar tweeted.

#17 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#13 ... She seems to have a sense of entitlement - that she should be above any kind of criticism. ...

I haven't seen her make that claim of entitlement at all, that she should be above any kind of criticism. It seems to be more of a right-wing talking point (based upon my visits to a few sites this morning) than anything she espouses.

But that's not the real issue here, is it? It's more of a deflection.

Part of the real issue here, to my eyes, is the return of Pres Trump to his 2016 campaign rhetoric that Muslims are bad. Indeed, during the 2016 campaign, he called for a national registry for Muslims living in the US. His supporters loved that.

Nowadays, he has found an easy target in Rep Omar, focusing the wrath of his supporters on her.

Remember during the 2016 campaign, when Pres Trump was saying things like he'd pay the legal bills for his supporters if they beat up someone? At the time I said Pres Trump may be creating a monster he will not be able to control. Well, so far, it seems he still has a good amount of control over that monster, as the increased number of death threats indicate.

That is the issue here.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-15 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I watched the video.
What a pathetic complaint.

If the video doesn't warrant death threats, then perhaps your anger would be better focused at the rightwing morons making the threats than the person who, in your words, doesn't deserve them.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Do you really think that death threats have a place in our political process?

Well it's Jeff. So the variables matter.

Based on the fact the victim is a black Muslim. The answer to your question, is yes.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 01:42 PM | Reply

perhaps your anger would be better focused at the rightwing morons making the threats

I am always angered over death threats. Regardless of political stripe.

the person who, in your words, doesn't deserve them.

#19 | POSTED BY JOE

That she's getting death threats doesn't insulate her from criticism. She's a public figure and she said what she said. The Twitter video in no way incites any kind of violence against her.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Twitter video in no way incites any kind of violence against her"

Jeff's ears are a bit damaged so he can't discern the dog whistle...

#22 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That she's getting death threats doesn't insulate her from criticism.

If it's criticism that is leading to the death threats that you admit are unwarranted, then yes, it absolutely should.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 01:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She has a funny way of showing her love of America. Like Ike's love of Tina.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-04-15 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am still trying to figure out what the congress woman said that was so bad. As far as I can see, her words were taken out of context to what she was talking about so as to stir up the angst in TRump's stupid supporters that believe anything he tweets or says. I do not see where she is asking for special treatment only that those that take her words out of context are noticed for their manipulations and lies and for those that lap up those lies are confronted with the full force of the federal government when they threaten to kill her. I would not want to see her or her family members shot down in the street all because Trump is a bleeding lying manipulative ------- that only cares to get reelected to a job he really does not like nor can do like a normal human being owing to his lack of honesty or skill set needed for the position.

#25 | Posted by Tknees2 at 2019-04-15 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

As far as I can see, her words were taken out of context to what she was talking about so as to stir up the angst in TRump's stupid supporters that believe anything he tweets or says.

Case in point, JeffJ.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 02:10 PM | Reply

Trump bragged about having the tallest building in that section of Manhattan hours after the WTC collapsed. He lied about helping clean up the rubble, lied about seeing jumpers, and lied about muslims cheering for the attack. And the "right" elected him President.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 02:13 PM | Reply

If it's criticism that is leading to the death threats that you admit are unwarranted, then yes, it absolutely should.

#23 | POSTED BY JOE

That's akin to the heckler's veto. Rep Scalise was shot and almost killed for the sin of simply being a Republican. I don't think that should mean that he should now be immune from criticism.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 02:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am still trying to figure out what the congress woman said that was so bad.

She trivialized 9/11. Now she's playing the victim-card for being called out over her remarks.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 02:16 PM | Reply

She trivialized 9/11.
#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Can you please provide the quote you're referring to.

I'd be interested to read it.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 02:20 PM | Reply

Ilhan Omar's 9/11 comments spark more false outrage -- and expose anti-Muslim bias

#31 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 02:25 PM | Reply

Can you please provide the quote you're referring to.
I'd be interested to read it.

#30 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Here it is:

"CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties,"

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 02:28 PM | Reply

Never mind my #30.

I read all the right wing hysteria.

It's literally due to the quote in my #3:

This is what Trump is attacking her for, FTA:

"Cair was founded after 9/11," Omar said, "because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties."

That's it. Trumpublicans are pissed Oman said, "Some people did something..."

Now Trumpublicans are threatening to kill her.

And Jeff is leading the DR charge.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 02:31 PM | Reply

#32

That's trivializing it?!? She notices folks like her are getting the type of blowback whites never experience, and that's not allowed?

How many rocks did you have to turn over to get to that one?

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-15 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeff.

You're fkkked in the head.

A real fkkking scrambles brains (r)tard.

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 02:32 PM | Reply

#28 That's a terrible analogy because there's no person on the left with as much control over such a large group of crazy morons as Trump does. Most of the people he goes after get death threats or worse. If you don't see the need for him to STFU then you're crazy too. Congratulations.

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 02:32 PM | Reply

Jeff really wants us to know what a fkkking shht person he is.

He's putting it all on display.

He's a fkkked in the head fkkk boy.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 02:34 PM | Reply

Instead of showing 911 video, Trump should have shown election night.

Something just happened.

#38 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-04-15 02:36 PM | Reply

#33 Straw man noted.

That's trivializing it?!?

Yes. Absolutely it is. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal, but I understand why she's being called out.

he notices folks like her are getting the type of blowback whites never experience,

Which is a red herring.

and that's not allowed?

Of course it's allowed.

If you don't see the need for him to STFU

Of course I do. He debases the office on a near daily basis. Having said that, this video doesn't incite anything.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 02:38 PM | Reply

this video doesn't incite anything.

Viewed in a vaccuum, by someone ignorant of the type of people who follow Trump and how they react to what he does and says, perhaps.

Are you in a vaccuum? Are you ignorant?

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"this video doesn't incite anything."

Benghazi!!!

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 03:04 PM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY JOE

That's an intellectually-lazy way of saying she should be exempt from criticism, period.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:04 PM | Reply

"CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties,"

I don't like the way it downplays 9/11 but the statement is not only true, it's one JeffJ agrees with.

Or maybe "some people did something" refers to Congress and Bush passing the USA PATRIOT Act which absolutely is an assault on civil liberties .

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"some people did something" refers to

"Some people" refers to the 9/11 attackers. "Something" refers to the 9/11 attack.

USA PATRIOT Act which absolutely is an assault on civil liberties .

#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yes, it is. However, it doesn't single out American Muslims.

Also, she's wrong about CAIR - it was founded in the '90's.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:10 PM | Reply

"she's wrong about CAIR - it was founded in the '90's."

Was she wrong about the outsized backlash?

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-15 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yes, it is. However, it doesn't single out American Muslims."

Of course the letter of the law doesn't single out Muslims, that would be illegal.

But the people implementing the law absolutely single out American Muslims.

Then there is the travel ban, which singles out Muslims from six or seven countries.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How dare a black female Muslim say some people did something! Let's kill her!!"

-Trump & his Trumpublicans

"I condone this message, she's clearly trivializing 9/11 and trying to say she should be exempt from criticism."

-DR Resident (------, Jeff.

#47 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 03:16 PM | Reply

"Was she wrong about the outsized backlash?"

Put a different way: Did you as a white Christian experience a backlash after the Oklahoma City bombing?

Neither did any other white Christian.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-15 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Was she wrong about the outsized backlash?

#45 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Yes.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:20 PM | Reply

"Some people" refers to the 9/11 attackers. "Something" refers to the 9/11 attack.

You're desperate to consider that trivializing 9/11.

Because if 10+ years of you posting about Obama have proven anything about you, it's you hate black Muslims.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 03:22 PM | Reply

"Yes."

Posts the white Christian who has no similar experiences. Lucky you.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-15 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Globally, Christianity is the most persecuted religion, according to this source (I've seen other sources cite the same thing):

www.amazingfacts.org

In the US, Jews are by far the most persecuted.

Today, the FBI published its annual report cataloging hate crimes for the previous calendar year. This year, as has been the case every year since the bureau began collecting these statistics in 1992, Jews topped the list. And it wasn't close. Of 1,564 anti-religious hate crimes in 2017, 938 targeted Jews. In other words, Jews were subject to 60 percent of anti-religious hate crimes, despite constituting just 2 percent of the American population.

www.tabletmag.com

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:25 PM | Reply

#42 No it isn't, it's called acknowledging reality, something you have yet to do in this thread.

#53 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 03:33 PM | Reply

Christianity is the most persecuted religion,

Well, that justifies Trump's calls for violence again Ilhan Omar!

Way to get to the heart of the matter Jeff!

Anyone who claims you generally deflect from the topic be damned!

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 03:33 PM | Reply

Jeff, are you familiar with the Healey's First Law of Holes?

#55 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 03:35 PM | Reply

Joe,

Please point out how the video incites violence. Where is the incitement?

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:35 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It was in direct response to Danforth.

are you familiar with the Healey's First Law of Holes?

#55 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

Nope. I'll go look it up...

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:36 PM | Reply

I don't see myself as digging a hole, Scruffy.

Unless Joe can show my how this video incites violence against Omar...

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:38 PM | Reply

It was in direct response to Danforth.

It wasn't.

He asked you about the response to the Oklahoma City bombing and you provided him stats on the global persecution of Christians.

Or. Perhaps you believe the two to be related?

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 03:40 PM | Reply

"Unless Joe can show my how this video incites violence against Omar."

Why don't you ask those Trump supporters who have been incited? Ask them how it incited them to send death threats.

#60 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 03:46 PM | Reply

Unless Joe can show my how this video incites violence against Omar...

#58 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Must be just coincidence then huh?

#61 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-04-15 03:48 PM | Reply

If you are not a dog, you cannot hear the dog whistle being blown, but when you see the dog ---- its head, you can reasonably assume that there is a dog whistle being blown.

#62 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 03:50 PM | Reply

The argument has become circular.

I ask where in the video it incites violence against Omar.

The only response I get is, "because Trump!"

#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 04:20 PM | Reply

"Please point out how the video incites violence. Where is the incitement?
#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Could any video exist which meets that threshold?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 04:21 PM | Reply

Could any video exist which meets that threshold?

#64 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yes. If Trump got in front of a camera and said, "You need to get in her face." that would pretty clearly be an incitement.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 04:25 PM | Reply

"I ask where in the video it incites violence against Omar."

Again, Jeff, you need to ask those Trump supporters who have called and emailed in death threats to her and ask them how it incited them. We can't help you with that.

#66 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-15 04:25 PM | Reply

The fat child rapist incited his execrables by linking Omar to 9/11. Case closed.

#67 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-04-15 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Nerf,

I don't know any of them. Again, the video is innocuous.

You know what else? People are responsible for their own actions. I don't blame the Democratic Party for Hodgkinson. I don't blame SPLC for Floyd Corkins. I don't blame Christianity for McVeigh.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 04:29 PM | Reply

#58 Try reading #40 again. Basic principles seem to evade you. The viceo does not incite violence on its own. A person with a large following of crazy people willing to commit violence on his behalf posting that video for his crazy followers to view and get frothed up about incites violence, as is borne out by the increased death threats the video's subject continues to receive. Is this so difficult for you to understand and acknowledge?

#69 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 04:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It seems as though, short of a video of Trump saying "i hereby demand that you commit violence against Ilhan Omar," Jeff simply won't admit that Trump has crazy people who direct their rage at whatever his chosen targets are.

#70 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I understand what you are saying, Joe.

I simply disagree with your premise.

The discussion has become circular.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 04:41 PM | Reply

Jeff simply won't admit that Trump has crazy people who direct their rage at whatever his chosen targets are.

#70 | POSTED BY JOE

I freely admit that.

That doesn't make Omar exempt from criticisms though. Lefties made the same argument when Dan Crenshaw criticized her remarks. The line of argument is more about trying to shut people up than it is anything else.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 04:43 PM | Reply

"That doesn't make Omar exempt from criticisms though."

You're changing, and dodging, the subject.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 04:45 PM | Reply

Republicans don't care, Trump gives cops the green light and plans to run in 2020 creating fear against socialism and imigration.

#74 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-04-15 04:46 PM | Reply

"Yes. If Trump got in front of a camera and said, "You need to get in her face." that would pretty clearly be an incitement.
#65 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

No.

Not a hypothetical video.

Any real video which crosses the threshold you defined?

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 04:47 PM | Reply

That doesn't make Omar exempt from criticisms though

Nobody ever said it does. If you don't think she deserves death threats, and you are aware that certain communications are causing those threats to occur, then you can't denounce the communications without at least temporarily making her "exempt from criticism." You can't have it both ways. She either deserves the end result of what Trump says and does, or she doesn't.

On another note, she's already been criticized. Move on.

#76 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 04:47 PM | Reply

Any real video which crosses the threshold you defined?

You'd have to provide some examples.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 04:48 PM | Reply

She's the one who can't seem to move on. This spat started with Crenshaw, not Trump. She played the victim card then, just like she's playing it now. Trump should never insert himself into little spats like this. But he's a dick and likes to make things worse whenever he can. The video he put on Twitter borrowed from the NY Post front page. It was already out there.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 04:51 PM | Reply

"You'd have to provide some examples.
#77 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

That's what I'm asking you to do.

#79 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 04:57 PM | Reply

"She's the one who can't seem to move on."

From death threats?
What's the appropriate moving on next step for her?

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 04:58 PM | Reply

I just watched the video Trump tweeted.

It's a hit piece.

Images of Ilhan Omar saying "some people did something", intercut with footage from 9/11, intercut with those words in black and white, and sound bites of people's grief during 9/11, ending with "We Remember". With really ominous music playing the entire time.

It's clearly a dog whistle. It's clearly meant to incite anger and hate. It's clearly a call to violence.

Clearly.

Also. What is it he wants you to remember??

9/11?

Or your anger, fear and hate?

#81 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 04:59 PM | Reply

"Was she wrong about the outsized backlash?"

Put a different way: Did you as a white Christian experience a backlash after the Oklahoma City bombing?

Neither did any other white Christian.

#48 | Posted by Danforth

What I remember from the coverage at the time was the amount of speculation that it was carried out by Muslim extremists - even then. And frankly there I was going along with that thought. Even though it was carried out by militant Christian hicks based near me.

#82 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-15 05:04 PM | Reply

And frankly there I was going along with that thought. Even though it was carried out by militant Christian hicks based near me.
#82 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

Innate biases can be a bitch.

#83 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-15 05:12 PM | Reply

People are responsible for their own actions.
#68 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It's remarkable what some will do for people who inspire them.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 05:15 PM | Reply

-People are responsible for their own actions.

we've had this discussion before.

Some people are responsible for their actions. When someone is going all partisan ------...then nobody is responsible for their actions. It has to be someone else's fault.

#85 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-15 05:20 PM | Reply

Jeff,

You are normally a pretty reasonable person. I don't get your stance on this. That video is not "innocuous". Were her comments the best way to express what she was saying? No. I am not going to attempt to defend that. She needs to think about what she words she is using before she yaps. Frankly I am tired of her - she causes more damage than creating healing. BUT she is correct. The reaction was out sized AND STILL IS. The violence against Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs was real. Sikhs because door knobs think their turban means Muslim. Hindus because again the ignorance of those morons lashing out at innocent people.

I have many friends that are Middle Eastern or Central Asian. They are somewhat loath to talk about it for the most part but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM has had irrational hatred thrown at them more than once no matter what their religion or if they were born here or not. That includes Middle Eastern Catholics. You still think the reaction is not out sized? I have seen it with my own eyes and I have stood up for people when they were just taking it.

All that said we know a significant portion of Trumps base is full of morons who's IQ doesn't pass the temperature on a nice summer day in Prudhoe Bay and their irrational hatred for Muslims has been fanned for a couple decades now... Soooo this was a deliberate act to rile them up and NOT innocuous when in context.

The Patriot Act and its Successors are a bane on our Constitutional Rights and a move to a Police State. They have been dis-proportionally used against Muslims - so far. BUT they are a potentially a threat by law enforcement against anyone who tries to exercise their rights to lock them away and torture them without communication or representation. They came for the Muslims... (remind you of anything?) Again - she chose her words incredibly poorly for someone who knows she is a politician in the spotlight but SHE IS RIGHT.

#86 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-15 05:22 PM | Reply

Innate biases can be a bitch.

#83 | Posted by rstybeach11

I totally agree and I have grown since then. I was also staunchly conservative then... Again I have grown and I try not to have biases and be aware of those I may have.

#87 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-15 05:24 PM | Reply

The problem is that all what's also being "incited" is the attempt to attach Trump to bad acts like this.

I don't care if you attach Trump to the Kennedy Assassination. The problem is that it doesn't work. Remember his campaign? The rallies, people getting beat up, etc....it's all for nothing.

I get that his inspiration is all some folks needs to act out....but you can't attach him to it successfully. I don't know why it doesn't work.....I just know it doesn't work.

#88 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-15 05:25 PM | Reply

"People are responsible for their own actions.
#68 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

So then no video can be considered as responsivle for incitement to violence by others.

Which is why I was asking you for an example of such a video.

Because to you, no such video can ever exist.

Because people are responsible for their own actions.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 05:29 PM | Reply

"I get that his inspiration is all some folks needs to act out"

Good.

"....but you can't attach him to it successfully. I don't know why it doesn't work.....I just know it doesn't work."

It's called willful ignorance.

#90 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What I remember from the coverage at the time was the amount of speculation that it was carried out by Muslim extremists - even then."

I remember that too.

I think we even had Muslim suspect descriptions in the early hours.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 05:35 PM | Reply

"It seems as though, short of a video of Trump saying "i hereby demand that you commit violence against Ilhan Omar," Jeff simply won't admit that Trump has crazy people who direct their rage at whatever his chosen targets are."

Nah.

Even if that video existed, JeffJ would say:

People are responsible for their own actions.
#68 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 05:38 PM | Reply

#88 | Posted by eberly

The incitement is all in the imagery and the who (the person speaking and a large chunk of his base).

#93 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-04-15 05:39 PM | Reply

-It's called willful ignorance.

on who's part?

the racists in Trump's base? only a fool thinks this will change any of them. yes, they are willfully ignorant

moderates? both left and right? they are being willfully ignorant?

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2019-04-15 05:45 PM | Reply

"-It's called willful ignorance.
on who's part?"

In this discussion, JeffJ's part.

"the racists in Trump's base? only a fool thinks this will change any of them. yes, they are willfully ignorant"

Too narrow a brush, sadly.

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 05:48 PM | Reply

Pete,

I agree regarding the Patriot Act and I agree with the slippery slope argument you are making.

Trump inserts himself into all sorts of crap that should be beneath the office he holds.

Omar handled this poorly. Instead of lashing out at Crenshaw she would have done far better for herself with a simple clarification. We've seen a pattern with her. Instead of clarifying she doubles down and plays the victim card.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 05:49 PM | Reply

Soooo this was a deliberate act to rile them up and NOT innocuous when in context

Exactly. But Jeff likes to play dumb and ignore all context. It's a game for him.

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 05:50 PM | Reply

The problem is that all what's also being "incited" is the attempt to attach Trump to bad acts like this.

There's no need to attempt anything.

He literally tweeted it out.

If, for any reason, some messed in the head person decides to take a shot at Ilhan Omar.

He's attached.

He shouldn't have gotten involved

But. He couldn't pass up the opportunity.

But. As you continue to say.

I don't care if you attach Trump to the Kennedy Assassination. The problem is that it doesn't work. Remember his campaign? The rallies, people getting beat up, etc....it's all for nothing.

That's the whole reason why he feels free to do whatever he wants.

Because not only do his supporters support his actions. But the major of people who don't support him, just don't care. Which. Is a form of silent support.

Even you admit:

I get that his inspiration is all some folks needs to act out....but you can't attach him to it successfully. I don't know why it doesn't work.....I just know it doesn't work.
#88 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It doesn't work because of people who just don't care.

People will need to care before Trump, and people like him, will ever be held accountable for anything.

Problem is. A lot of people have their immediate lives to worry about. It's difficult for a lot of people to be able to organize long term. And not just politically. But in life itself.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 05:53 PM | Reply

#97

I'm not ignoring context, Joe.

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 05:59 PM | Reply

Did Dan Crenshaw incite death threats too? How about NY Post?

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 06:00 PM | Reply

"Instead of clarifying she doubles down and plays the victim card.
POSTED BY JEFFJ"

She made it very clear: Death threats against her have gone up after Trump riled up the base.

Unless you think she's lying, how is that playing the victim card?
???

#101 | Posted by Snoofy at 2019-04-15 06:02 PM | Reply

"She's receiving more death threats and she's complaining about it. How is that not playing the victim card!"

~JefferyJ

#102 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-15 06:06 PM | Reply

Innate biases can be a bitch.
#83 | Posted by rstybeach11
I totally agree and I have grown since then. I was also staunchly conservative then... Again I have grown and I try not to have biases and be aware of those I may have.
#87 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

It's not human to be devoid of biases of some sort. Being aware of them and mitigating the negative influence they have over rationality is really all you can do.

#103 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-15 06:08 PM | Reply

She played the victim card before Trump put out this tweet. It's her habitual knee-jerk response to criticism.

#104 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 06:13 PM | Reply

I'm not ignoring context, Joe.

Yes you are. In the face of obvious context like the number of racist crazies in Trump's audience and the fact that they are proven to get violent with his chosen targets, you repeatedly asked throughout the thread for people to point to what specific piece of the video is "inciting." That's called ignoring context and seeking to view the video in a vaccuum. And it's tiresome. Have a nice night.

#105 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-15 06:39 PM | Reply

"She played the victim card before Trump put out this tweet."

So what?

Trump plays the victim card too.

So what?

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 06:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I love how the DR Left lectures people on context they like yet completely ignores the context in which Ilan made the remarks in question. Here's some context for you:

Someone Dropped Something

Somebody Got Carsick

#107 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-15 08:03 PM | Reply

My non-partisan take:
1) The video does not incite violence, although it's extremely petty partisanship with the way it edits her statement in mid-sentence.
2) She was not trivializing 9/11. Personally, I'll give her some slack for hitting back against Trump because he singled her out. Politically, it's probably not the wisest thing, since the real purpose of the video was troll the media and Democrats into focusing on All About Trump again instead of candidates who may unseat him next year.

#108 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-15 11:31 PM | Reply

The most disgusting thing about the video Trump posted is that it panders to one of the most insidious forms of political correctness.

#109 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-16 12:10 AM | Reply

If you're a Muslim living in America, you're condemned if you show support for the Palestinian people and/or you express concern with respect to the policies of Israel. However, there's never any problems when you're Jewish and profess your support of Israel while criticizing the Palestinians. How is it that one person is seen as being anti-American, while the other is lauded and encouraged?

OCU

#110 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-04-16 12:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How many democrats are in the House?

Of all of them the rrriiiiiggghhhtttt seem to be dumping all of their ---- on 2 of them. Both freshmen, both female, both me minority.

I wonder why that is..

#111 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-04-16 05:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Clown,

Whether one saw it or not it's not too hard to believe that indeed on 9/11 there was a cross section of American Muslins who thought the attack was justified and gave them satisfaction.

#112 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-16 06:23 AM | Reply

Maybe someone did say *something?

#113 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-04-16 07:27 AM | Reply

It's not so much her comment itself that sounds flippant about 9/11. It's if you put it in context with her other comments that were definitely anti Israel and what we know about radical Muslims in general which is how she has made herself appear.

If she isn't flippant about 9/11 and considering she is now a member of Congress, it might be prudent of her to put out a little more effort to show her alliance to America (if it actually exists).

#114 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-16 08:06 AM | Reply

her other comments that were definitely anti Israel

Those comments were "anti Israel having a disproportionate influence on the United States." That is not "anti Israel."

what we know about radical Muslims in general which is how she has made herself appear.

How has she "made herself appear" like a radical muslim?

#115 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-16 08:14 AM | Reply

#113:
You're basically saying what you believe is more valid than what you see.
You can't fight fantasy.

#116 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-04-16 08:16 AM | Reply

Sorry...#112

#117 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-04-16 08:16 AM | Reply

Joe,

She's a Democrat and most of you are already anti Israel.

It's not much of a stretch to assume another democrat woman who wears her religious beliefs on her head is one too.

#118 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-16 08:48 AM | Reply

Keep in mind what she wears is not a costume.

It is religious attire and Muslims and Jews have not yet made peace.

I'll believe it when I see it.

#119 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-16 08:50 AM | Reply

It's not much of a stretch to assume another democrat woman who wears her religious beliefs on her head is one too.

#118 | Posted by BillJohnson

A witch! A witch!

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-16 08:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It is religious attire and Muslims and Jews have not yet made peace.

#119 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2

Your position is that she should dress like a Christian until (some) Muslims and (some) Jews make peace?

#121 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-16 08:54 AM | Reply

So, the guy who flippantly bragged on 9/11 that Trump Tower was now the tallest building in NYC is going to criticize someone else for being flippant about 9/11?

#122 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 08:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Backatcha, Donnie:

Trump slams Omar again: 'She's got a way about her' that is 'very, very bad for our country'

thehill.com

#123 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 09:02 AM | Reply

She's a Democrat and most of you are already anti Israel.

You said her remarks were "definitely anti-Israel." Now you're retreaing and saying she's just generally anti-Israel because she's a Democrat? Piss off.

Also, how has she "made herself appear" like a radical muslim? Still waiting, Bill.

#124 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-16 09:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"most of you are already anti Israel"

The more accurate term is anti-Zionist. My Mom's father and other members of her family were heavily involved in resistance operations in Switzerland against the Nazis during the 30s and 40s, and had a major hand in helping Jewish people to their freedom, so our family DNA has been restructured in a way to leave future members sensitive to similar, Nazi-esque behaviors.

Now if Somalia had multiple members in congress, vast networks of political action committees and ownership and/or management of major network outlets in this country, all coordinating to fashion foreign policy for the US, I might take them on as well, but they don't. They have one person, and a woman at that-- a lone voice using the only thing she has-- her voice-- in calling out an evil Goliath in our midst.

#125 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-16 10:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That is not "anti Israel."

#115 | POSTED BY JOE

I'm pretty sure she's anti Israel. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. A lot of people are anti Israel.

#126 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 10:02 AM | Reply

You can be anti-Bibi without being anti-Israel. You can support a 2 state solution without being anti-Israel. But Bibi and Trump and Kush don't see it that way.

#127 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 10:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You can also be opposed to Israel having outsized influence in American politics without being "anti-Israel" and all the connotations that go along with it.

I have to wonder if people would have so dramatically misinterpreted her remarks on Israel if she wasn't a muslim.

#128 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-16 10:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have to wonder if people would have so dramatically misinterpreted her remarks on Israel if she wasn't a muslim."

It's not a case of 'misinterpretation', because that word infers something done accidentally, not intentionally.

many INTENTIONALLY misinterpret her words in order to further their agenda, which is to secure present and future support for the state of Israel. If Omar wasn't Muslim it would be the same, only not as vociferous.

#129 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-16 10:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lefties like her know no bounds when it comes to claiming victimhood.
The irony is they are also attack dogs.

#5 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

What a pathetic comment.

#130 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 10:32 AM | Reply

All the video did was quote her actual words, as she intended them, and then showed footage of the 9/11 attack that she was attempting to diminish.
She seems to have a sense of entitlement - that she should be above any kind of criticism.

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It's funny how sometimes you're perfectly content to play dumb. Become, suddenly, hyper literalist and refuse to read between the lines.

It's almost as if you're hiding from a realization you don't want to make, namely that the GOP and their enabling of Trump is a very dangerous thing.

#131 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The Twitter video in no way incites any kind of violence against her"
Jeff's ears are a bit damaged so he can't discern the dog whistle...

#22 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

Dogs never realize that the whistle is meant for them.

#132 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 10:43 AM | Reply

Having said that, this video doesn't incite anything.

#39 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

So the increase in death threats is a coincidence?

She's lying?

Or are you back into your non-support support of Trump phase again?

#133 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 10:46 AM | Reply

#4,

He may have been off the mark, but not that far.

But in a new examination by NJ Advance Media, a police officer who worked on 9/11 and residents on the outskirts of Journal Square say they witnessed small pockets of people celebrating before the groups dispersed or were broken up by authorities.

The NJ Advance Media inquiry, encompassing more than two dozen interviews conducted since Nov. 25, found Trump's broad assertion that thousands of people cheered to be baseless. At the same time, the inquiry provides the first credible indication of at least two modest celebrations, as described by on-the-record sources who say they witnessed the behavior.

"When I saw they were happy, I was pissed," said Ron Knight, 56, a Tonnele Avenue resident who said he heard cries of "Allahu Akbar" as he shouldered his way through a crowd of 15 to 20 people on John F. Kennedy Boulevard that morning.

Collectively, the gatherings amounted to dozens of people at the two locations, the witnesses said. Callers also flooded the 911 system with accounts of jubilant Muslims on a rooftop at a third location, three police officers said

#134 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-16 10:51 AM | Reply

A group of Palestinians were filmed celebrating in the street after hearing the local news reports of attacks on the World Trade Center and the deaths of thousands of Americans. Fox News reported that in Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon's largest Palestinian refugee camp, revelers fired weapons in the air, with similar celebratory gunfire heard at the Rashidiyeh camp near the southern city of Tyre as well.[51] Yasser Arafat and nearly all the leaders of Palestinian National Authority (PNA) condemned the attacks and attempted to censure and discredit broadcasts and other Palestinian news reports justifying the attacks in America,[51] with many newspapers, magazines, websites and wire services running photographs of Palestinian public celebrations.[62][63] The PNA claimed such celebrations were not representative of the sentiments of the Palestinian people, and the Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the PNA would not allow "a few kids" to "smear the real face of the Palestinians". In an attempt to quash further reporting, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet secretary, said the Palestinian Authority could not "guarantee the life" of an Associated Press (AP) cameraman if footage he filmed of post-9/11 celebrations in Nablus was broadcast. Rahman's statement prompted a formal protest from the AP bureau chief, Dan Perry.[64] Palestinian Authority has muzzled coverage of Palestinian celebrations' (MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE)
'Israel to AP: Release film of Palestinian celebrations' (Jerusalem Post/The Associated Press)
'Bin-Laden Poster Seen at Gaza Rally' (The Associated Press).[63]

James Bennet reported in the New York Times that while "most" towns in the West Bank were quiet, some drivers in East Jerusalem were honking horns in celebration, he saw one man passing out celebratory candy.[65] Big crowds celebrated in Nablus of Palestinians, chanting Beloved bin Laden, strike Tel Aviv! while Palestinian Authority personnel prevented photographers from taking pictures.[65] Annette Krüger Spitta of the ARD's (German public broadcasting) TV magazine Panorama states that footage not aired shows that the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem is quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The Panorama report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering (Nawal Abdel Fatah) stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.[66][67]

There was also rumour that the footage of some Palestinians celebrating the attacks was stock footage of Palestinian reactions to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990.[68] This rumour was proven false shortly afterwards,[69] and CNN issued a statement to that effect.[70] A poll conducted by the Fafo Foundation in the Palestinian Authority in 2005 found that 65% of respondents supported "Al Qaeda bombings in the USA and Europe".[71]

Palestine can fall into the sea for all I care.

#135 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-16 11:04 AM | Reply

as described by on-the-record sources who say they witnessed the behavior

Trump also claims to be one of those people, and he's lying. You think nobody else would make that up?

#136 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-16 11:04 AM | Reply

#135 amazing that a fully grown adult has such a poor understanding of cause and effect.

#137 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 11:08 AM | Reply

"Palestine can fall into the sea for all I care."

Well, seeing that you consistently deny its existence, that isn't much of a statement.

I'm also assuming you are consistent and you also want Israel to fall into the sea based on these guys celebrating:

abcnews.go.com
www.haaretz.com
www.youtube.com

#138 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-16 11:12 AM | Reply

It's funny how sometimes you're perfectly content to play dumb. Become, suddenly, hyper literalist and refuse to read between the lines.
It's almost as if you're hiding from a realization you don't want to make, namely that the GOP and their enabling of Trump is a very dangerous thing.

#131 | POSTED BY JPW

I laugh at the hyper-overreaction to all things Trump.

A lot of folks have become completely unhinged.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:13 AM | Reply

"Or are you back into your non-support support of Trump phase again?"

That phase only lasts until the next trip to the voting booth. Then, to show Republicans he's serious, he votes...Republican.

#140 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 11:15 AM | Reply

So the increase in death threats is a coincidence?

Dan Crenshaw was the first to hit her over her remarks and she immediately accused him of inciting violence against her.

She's lying?

I don't think she's lying.

Or are you back into your non-support support of Trump phase again?

#133 | POSTED BY JPW

If Trump came out for something that you supported 100% you'd do a 180 and denounce it. Spare me your faux self-righteousness.

#141 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:16 AM | Reply

"I laugh at the hyper-overreaction to all things Trump."

Posts the guy who complained about Obama's beer summit on multiple occasions.

#142 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 11:16 AM | Reply

Then, to show Republicans he's serious, he votes...Republican.

#140 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I voted for Gary Johnson in '16, nimrod.

Your attempt at vote-shaming is childish.

#143 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:17 AM | Reply

Posts the guy who complained about Obama's beer summit on multiple occasions.

#142 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Nice deflection.

#144 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:17 AM | Reply

Danforth,

I never fashioned you as an ankle-biter.

#145 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:18 AM | Reply

A lot of folks have become completely unhinged.
#139 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Dude. You're a Trumpublican.

Of course you believe everyone else is "unhinged".

You literally watched that video Trump tweeted and saw nothing wrong with it. You couldn't do the critical thinking necessary to see how the president of the United States shouldn't be tweeting hit pieces on congressmen.

You couldn't care less.

Partly because you love Trump.

Partly because you don't really like black Muslims.

To you. This is all nothing.

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 11:18 AM | Reply

"A lot of folks have become completely unhinged."

Especially Trump und seine engsten mitarbeiter.

#147 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-16 11:18 AM | Reply

Here's a free tip: Rep Omar is not above criticism.

Deal with it.

#148 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:25 AM | Reply

It is utterly risible how you clowns are freaking out over this.

#149 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:26 AM | Reply

Like I said Jeff.

Makes perfect sense you see nothing wrong with the video.

Like many said. You clearly don't hear the dog whistle. But you're clearly running. Because you're part of the target audience.

#150 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 11:29 AM | Reply

If Trump came out for something that you supported 100% you'd do a 180 and denounce it. Spare me your faux self-righteousness.

#141 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

When all else fails, simply make s--- up.

#151 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 11:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When all else fails, simply make s--- up.

#151 | POSTED BY JPW

You go off the rails from time to time. Now is one of those times.

#152 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Because you're part of the target audience.

#150 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I don't care that she's flip about 9/11.

It's who she is.

I also don't care that she's being called out for her remarks.

That's politics.

#153 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:38 AM | Reply

You go off the rails from time to time. Now is one of those times.
#152 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Every poster on the DR has pointed out what's wrong with the video. Galaxiepete even tried to sensibly explain it to you.

He hasn't realized what a close minded Trumpublican you are, and just how much you loath black Muslims.

But. Some of us figured it out. Took me a long time.

But sure Jeff. Everyone else is wrong but you and your pony.

#154 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 11:42 AM | Reply

Clown,

Playing the victim card on this is all about trying to shut up opposing viewpoints.

She said something stupid and is being called out for it.

Welcome to life as a public figure.

Again, she's not above criticism, as much as you desperately want her to be.

#155 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 11:45 AM | Reply

I don't care that she's flip about 9/11.

So you don't care that she said "some people did something"? Wasn't that the whole reason you and other Trumpublicans lost your minds? I think you said as much up thread.

It's who she is.

Black female Muslim.

#156 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 11:50 AM | Reply

The advice Ilhan Omar, Abigail Spanberger and other freshmen women in Congress are getting

After Rep. Ilhan Omar made comments that some believed were anti-Semitic, she heard from fellow Democratic Rep. Lois Frankel.

"I made it clear that I didn't like what she said," Frankel, who is Jewish, recounted to USA TODAY in early April, adding that she warned Minnesota's Omar: "‘You have to be careful.' ... You're part of a team now, so whatever you say reflects back on all of us."

More recently, Frankel and other Democrats have pushed back at President Donald Trump, who has attacked Omar – one of the two first Muslim women in Congress.

"My constituents and I are concerned about anti-Semitism, we are not in the business of spreading Islamophobia," she told USA TODAY Monday.
www.usatoday.com

#157 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 11:53 AM | Reply

"You still think the reaction is not out sized?"

Of course he does. It didn't happen to him, so it didn't happen.

#158 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Playing the victim card on this is all about trying to shut up opposing viewpoints.

She's a victim of death threats you empty headed dodo. Which increased after Trump's tweet. What part of that is "victim card"? Actually being a victim of death threats is no longer justification for expressing concerns??

You're fkkking ridiculous.

Also.

Why intercut her speech with footage of the twin towers falling?

This wasn't about reprimanding her for her words. Like when she questioned AIPAC's influence in our government.

This was about painting her as trivializing 9/11.

This could have been approached in so many different ways.

What I saw. Was a hit piece. Republicans hate Ilhan Omar. She's a woman. She's a black woman. She's a black Muslim woman.

You hate her too. For the same exact reason.

#159 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 12:00 PM | Reply

Trump, OTOH, took $150,000 meant to help small business owners recover after 9/11:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC @AOC

I'm not going to quote the NY Post's horrifying, hateful cover.

Here's 1 fact: @IlhanMN is a cosponsor of the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund. She‘s done more for 9/11 families than the GOP who won't even support healthcare for 1st responders- yet are happy to weaponize her faith.

#160 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keith Ellison was attacked for his Islamic faith as well when he was a Congressman, but not to the same extend Omar is being attacked. I do think a small part of that is attributable to Omar not being more careful about how she says what she says, but in general Omar is being attacked more severely than Ellison was because she is a woman, because the GOP no longer has a "Muslim" president to kick around and because Trump is a hatemonger.

#161 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

IlhanMN is a cosponsor of the 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund.

"She's trivializing 9/11 and deserves death threats!"
~Jeff the Dodo.

#162 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 12:10 PM | Reply

So you don't care that she said "some people did something"?

Correct.

She‘s done more for 9/11 families than the GOP who won't even support healthcare for 1st responders

Which is a falsehood that's been thoroughly debunked.

#163 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 12:16 PM | Reply

Of course he does. It didn't happen to him, so it didn't happen.

#158 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Ankle-biting and a straw man all wrapped up in 2 concise sentences. Well done!

#164 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 12:18 PM | Reply

"but in general Omar is being attacked more severely than Ellison was because she is a woman,"

And she dares to wear her hijab whereas Keith Ellison dressed just like other American men.

#165 | Posted by danni at 2019-04-16 12:22 PM | Reply

You go off the rails from time to time. Now is one of those times.

#152 | Posted by JeffJ

By calling you out for falling back onto a logical fallacy?

LOL

#166 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 12:23 PM | Reply

You guys are a mess. Death threats are a problem that can happen to anyone. Using it like it's a racist thing or something without any evidence whatsoever is ignorant. Sure, there will always be people making the threats that are doing it just off of race but that's a small minority. The people making the threats are the problem...not Trump, not Omar, just the people. Stop trying to make it out to be someone else's fault. If any of you have an objective bone in your body, look at the article that came out recently about the weather girl who started getting death threats yesterday because she interrupted the Masters tournament to go over some tornadoes. There was a white coach 2 years back who had his garage door vandalized and received death threats because he made an unpopular decision for this team. Death threats aren't a racial problem. They are a mental health problem. And the people doing them are the problem, no one else.

#167 | Posted by humtake at 2019-04-16 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Logical fallacy?

You are the one claiming that this video is inciting violence against her but can't point out where in the video any incitement occurs. It just does, because Trump.

Like I said - off the rails.

#168 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 12:33 PM | Reply

"Rep. Omar Says Trump's Tweets are Spurring Death Threats"

David Duke got death threats too.

#169 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 12:43 PM | Reply

You are the one claiming that this video is inciting violence against her

No. It's the increased volume of death threats which proves that the video is inciting violence against her.

What is this? The umpteenth time this has been explained to you, Dodo?

but can't point out where in the video any incitement occurs.

The entire video is a hit piece. It's been pointed out by several posters, including myself.

It's obvious no amount of explanation will suffice. You're literally rolling around in your own crapulence.

You're an idiot. A Trumpublican shill. A dodo.

#170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 12:43 PM | Reply

"but in general Omar is being attacked more severely than Ellison was because she is a woman,"
And she dares to wear her hijab whereas Keith Ellison dressed just like other American men.
#165 | POSTED BY DANNI

Everything about her is intentional. David Duke was also intentional. David Duke is famous for being rejected and also famous for being the only KKK member to be moderately successful in the Republican Party. The Democrats can't say that. They have always been bigoted, it's just that lately they've changed who they are bigoted against.

Democrats are terrified to reject Omar. David Duke was elected by a district whose constituents thought it ok to ignore the bigotry and even had a righteous feeling about it and Omar's constituency are doing the same. This also applies to Ellison and the Democrats are so afraid to reject him for his bigotry and now his misogyny...

#171 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 12:54 PM | Reply

"Ankle-biting and a straw man all wrapped up in 2 concise sentences. Well done!"

You suggested the reaction to Muslims wasn't outsized. My claim stands.

#172 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 12:54 PM | Reply

"David Duke got death threats too."

Did they peak after Trump condemned him? Oh, that's right. Trump never condemned him.

#173 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You suggested the reaction to Muslims wasn't outsized.

I posed FBI data to support my claim.

#174 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 12:55 PM | Reply

"but can't point out where in the video any incitement occurs. "

How far is your head up your ass, that you can't see incitement when images of 9/11 are being interspersed with images of her?

#175 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

posed = posted

#176 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 12:55 PM | Reply

"I posed FBI data to support my claim."

You suck at macro math. All your data"'supported" was the fact Christians outnumber other religions, and that as a percentage, Jews are more persecuted.

#177 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 12:57 PM | Reply

One of the few things George W Bush did right in his presidency was how he framed radical Islamic terrorism. That surely was a contributing factor to a lack of attack on US Muslims after 9/11.

#178 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 12:57 PM | Reply

Everything about her is intentional.

A refreshing change from Trump, everything about him is a series of unfortunate events.

#179 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 12:58 PM | Reply

"This also applies to Ellison and the Democrats are so afraid to reject him for his bigotry and now his misogyny..."

I've noticed Republicans only care about misogyny when there is a (D) after the name.

Remember when you criticized Trump for even worse behavior? No one else does either.

#180 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That surely was a contributing factor to a lack of attack on US Muslims after 9/11."

So are Trump's actions a contributing factor to her death threats, or not?

#181 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 12:59 PM | Reply

Jews are more persecuted.

#177 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Yet, here you are claiming that there was an outsized reaction to Muslims when FBI statistics show otherwise. That would be you sucking at math and you don't normally suck at math.

How far is your head up your ass, that you can't see incitement when images of 9/11 are being interspersed with images of her?

#175 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

The video is mimicking the NY Post front page. The images in the video are showing what she characterized as "some people did something."

I know this galls you but she is not above criticism.

#182 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 01:01 PM | Reply

That surely was a contributing factor to a lack of attack on US Muslims after 9/11.

Trump is eager to correct BushJr's mistake.

#183 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 01:01 PM | Reply

Did they peak after Trump condemned him? Oh, that's right. Trump never condemned him.
#173 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Oops!
www.cnn.com

You do trust CNN, don't you? LOL!!!

Besides, you have no idea what I'm talking about. If you can't step back and take a look at David Duke's entire career and not see similarities between him and Omar, then you don't want to see any resemblance of the truth. I've listened to Duke speak and I've listened to Omar speak. They are both bigoted and were elected by people who think their bigotry is righteous.

#184 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 01:01 PM | Reply

"That surely was a contributing factor to a lack of attack on US Muslims after 9/11"

Instead of calling for attacking and killing a bunch of innocent Muslims in America, he called for attacking and killing a bunch of innocent Muslims in Iraq.

#185 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-16 01:01 PM | Reply

So are Trump's actions a contributing factor to her death threats, or not?

#181 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I don't know. Did her death threats increase immediately after news broke about her comments and Dan Crenshaw's criticisms? Or did they increase immediately after Trump's tweet.

Trump is a dick and to involve himself in this manner debases the office he holds.

#186 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 01:02 PM | Reply

The video is mimicking the NY Post front page.

Which is why the NY Post is being boycotted.

#187 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 01:02 PM | Reply

"Yet, here you are claiming that there was an outsized reaction to Muslims when FBI statistics show otherwise."

That was NOT what the statistics showed. I'm beginning to suspect you're a math moron. Do you even understand the concept?

#188 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:04 PM | Reply

"I don't know."

Horse manure. You know, you just don't want to admit.

#189 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:05 PM | Reply

You are the one claiming that this video is inciting violence against her but can't point out where in the video any incitement occurs. It just does, because Trump.

Like I said - off the rails.

#168 | Posted by JeffJ

Taking your obtuseness to Goatuse levels doesn't change reality.

Or are you really telling me a video flipping between an outspoken Muslim member of Congress and clips of 9/11 are completely benign and intended to be so?

Seriously. That's black knight level absurdity.

#190 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 01:05 PM | Reply

"If you can't step back and take a look at David Duke's entire career and not see similarities between him and Omar"

yeah, like all the times Omar has supported Trump's positions and policies. I mean, my God, she's supported Trump hundreds of times-- just like David Duke!!!!

#191 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-16 01:06 PM | Reply

I've noticed Republicans only care about misogyny when there is a (D) after the name...

#180 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

LOL. As if you ever call out Democrats for anything. Any criticism of a Dem or a Progressive always elicits a deflection from you.

#192 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 01:06 PM | Reply

I've noticed Republicans only care about misogyny when there is a (D) after the name.
Remember when you criticized Trump for even worse behavior? No one else does either.
#180 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

"Yeah, but, Trump!"

Ellison beat up a woman. What did Trump do? Oh yeah, he bragged about touching fictitious women while in a locker-room-style-men-only radio show that was never aired.

Shut up fool. You Leftists hear the truth, but choose to ignore it. Of course, Democrats are worse when it comes to misogyny. That stupid narrative was brought up to attack White Republican and Conservative men, but it backfired.

Next time, stay on topic. Moving the goal posts gets your dumbcyberass kicked.

#193 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-16 01:07 PM | Reply

How far is your head up your ass, that you can't see incitement when images of 9/11 are being interspersed with images of her?

#175 | Posted by Danforth

The increase in death threats is just a coincidence!

#194 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 01:08 PM | Reply

Or are you really telling me a video flipping between an outspoken Muslim member of Congress and clips of 9/11 are completely benign and intended to be so?

I didn't say it was benign. Criticism is rarely benign. What I said is it doesn't incite violence.

That's black knight level absurdity.

#190 | POSTED BY JPW

I'll bite your legs off.

#195 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 01:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Oops!
www.cnn.com
You do trust CNN, don't you? LOL!!!"

Jesus, do you even read the articles you post? Trump denounced him only after first saying he didn't known anything about him. The first message was the one Duke )and the alt right wanted to hear; the second message came across as a wink and a nod:

The uproar started on Sunday when Trump was asked by CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" if he would disavow Duke and other white supremacist groups supporting his campaign.

"Just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?" Trump responded.

The next day, Trump blamed a "bad earpiece" during an appearance on NBC's "Today" show.

#196 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 01:11 PM | Reply

What I said is it doesn't incite violence.

So the increased death threats are just a coincidence?

#197 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 01:12 PM | Reply

"Oh yeah, he bragged about touching fictitious women..."

Wow. What a fantasy world Trump has forced his followers into. You've been reduced to lying FOR him. Nice werk, Brownie!

#198 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:12 PM | Reply

"Jesus, do you even read the articles you post? Trump denounced him only after first saying he didn't known anything about him."

Wait until he waxes on about the Cadillac Tax, and how it's hurting people.

#199 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:13 PM | Reply

Trump is a dick and to involve himself in this manner debases the office he holds.

Will you support Bill Weld in the primary?

#200 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-16 01:14 PM | Reply

"Democrats are worse when it comes to misogyny. That stupid narrative was brought up to attack White Republican and Conservative men"

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

Oh wait...you actually BELIVE that sheeeeeite?

#201 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:14 PM | Reply

"Ellison beat up a woman. What did Trump do? Oh yeah, he bragged about touching fictitious women while in a locker-room-style-men-only radio show that was never aired"

The book, by former Texas Monthly and Newsweek reporter Harry Hurt III, described a harrowing scene. After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.

"Your ------- doctor has ruined me!" Trump cried.

What followed was a "violent assault," according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana's arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.

"Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified ... It is a violent assault," Hurt writes. "According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.'"

Following the incident, Ivana ran upstairs, hid behind a locked door, and remained there "crying for the rest of night." When she returned to the master bedroom in the morning, he was there.

"As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?'" Hurt writes.


www.thedailybeast.com

#202 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 01:16 PM | Reply

Will you support Bill Weld in the primary?

#200 | POSTED BY JOE

I don't know anything about him.

My gut is telling me that I probably will though.

I'd strongly consider voting Biden over Trump if he wins the primary.

#203 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-16 01:17 PM | Reply

To sum up:

JeffJ hangs his hat on
"People are responsible for their own actions.
#68 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Thus, JeffJ rejects the notion that death threats can even be incited in the first place.

This is why I asked him for a real world example of something that incites violence, and he didn't produce one.

To demonstrate that to him nothing does.

#204 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 01:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What followed was a "violent assault," according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana's arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants..... As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?'" Hurt writes.

Even when it comes to trivial matters, Trump has proven himself to be a vindictive SOB, which is why I find this accounting highly believable.

#205 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 01:24 PM | Reply

People are responsible for their own actions.

Unless it's a Muslim. Then Islam is responsible.

Unless it's a Mexican. Then illegal immigration is responsible, Democrats are responsible, liberals are at fault.

The only time republicans will say, "a person is responsible for their own actions", is when they don't want those actions to negatively reflect on their party.

#206 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 01:26 PM | Reply

Trump's defense is under New Jersey law at the time it's not legally possible to rape your wife.

And now you know why so many self-proclaimed alpha males look up to Trump.

#207 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 01:26 PM | Reply

#206 yes the double standard is so obvious I didn't even bother mentioning it.

#208 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#202 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

That's pretty horrific.

#209 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 01:29 PM | Reply

"To demonstrate that to him nothing does."

Please clarify: nothing a REPUBLICAN does. According to Jeff, Obama incited poor race relations just by making that statement about the police incident prior to the beer summit. Meanwhile, a video intercutting 9/11 with images of Omar doesn't register.

#210 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-16 01:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's pretty horrific."

Yes, and this account wasn't something that was made up after he started running for president:

Ivana Trump's assertion of "rape" came in a deposition -- part of the early '90s divorce case between the Trumps, and revealed in the 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump.

#211 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 01:34 PM | Reply

#211

Republicans don't care how many women Donald Trump Raped.

Only about Clinton getting a bj.

RoC posts every tabloid article about Democrats sexual misconducts he can find.

But never posts about Republicans or his beloved Donnie the Rapist.

The more moderate some poster want to pretend they are, the more obvious it is how partisan they actually are.

#212 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 01:38 PM | Reply

The relevant question for JeffJ then becomes: what is spurrung the increase in death threats?

He will say he doesn't know.
All he knows is it 100% can't be Trump.

#213 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 01:38 PM | Reply

"I didn't say it was benign. Criticism is rarely benign. What I said is it doesn't incite violence."

The irony around all of this is remarkable. Omar has been criticized for pushing anti-Semitic memes, which can result in hatred and violence against Jews. But some of the same people making that claim, don't see that criticism of her, which includes pushing anti-Islamic memes, can likewise result in hatred and violence against her and Muslims in general.

#214 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"(Omar) is infatuated with Al Qaeda, with Hamas, Hezbollah. She was at CAIR at a fund-raiser, she was the keynote speaker at a fundraiser for CAIR, which according to the United Arab Emirates, an Arab nation, they are a terrorist organization.

I personally think she should be removed from Congress."

- former New York police commissioner Bernard Kerik on Sean Hannity last night

Media Matters

Dangerous, dangerous stuff. Oh by the way she is not infatuated with terrorist organizations and Kerik spent three years in prison for corruption and lying to White House officials.

#215 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-04-16 01:45 PM | Reply

"Yes, and this account wasn't something that was made up after he started running for president:"

I point this out because of comments like this one:

"Shut up fool. You Leftists hear the truth, but choose to ignore it. Of course, Democrats are worse when it comes to misogyny. That stupid narrative was brought up to attack White Republican and Conservative men, but it backfired.

Next time, stay on topic. Moving the goal posts gets your dumbcyberass kicked."

#216 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 01:47 PM | Reply

#215 They have no shame:

Kevin M. Kruse @KevinMKruse

Wait, they brought on Bernie Kerik -- the guy who co-opted an apartment meant for Ground Zero rescuers and used it to have an extramarital affair -- to berate someone *else* for not respecting 9/11?

#217 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 01:50 PM | Reply

Or to put it a little more zing-ily:

Wu Weed™ @WuTangCannabis

bernie kerik proved he knew how to honor the sanctity of 9/11 by ------- his side chick over the pit of burning bodies @ ground zero in a free apartment reserved for weary recovery workers

#218 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I didn't say it was benign. Criticism is rarely benign. What I said is it doesn't incite violence."

^
JeffJ is unable to say that any kind of speech incites violence.

He rejects the concept out of hand, but he won't say that either.

He wants to make it look like maybe some speech could... just not Trump's speech.

#219 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 02:11 PM | Reply

Kerik should have abstained from sex because 9/11.
-gal

#220 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-16 02:17 PM | Reply

Chairborne has no problem restraining from sex.
--women

#221 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 02:19 PM | Reply

I lived in upstate NY, and I remember that morning quite clearly:

Mimi Rocah @Mimirocah1

Mimi Rocah Retweeted Patrick Healy
For anyone who lived or worked in NY & the fact that the attacks occurred on a beautiful Tuesday morning during early rush hour is seared into our brain. How can one "forget" that?

Patrick Healy @patrickhealynyt

Trump also has trouble keeping his facts straight about 9/11. @maggieNYT & I wrote about how he has described the attacks happening while people were having dinner; another time, he said it was while people were having lunch.

Donald Trump Gets Fuzzy on Details of Sept. 11 Attacks

www.nytimes.com

#222 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 02:22 PM | Reply

FTFY:

Kerik should have abstained from sex in a free apartment reserved for weary recovery workers because 9/11.
-gal

#223 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm sure anyone that had the opportunity wrestled in that room.
It seems like a natural reaction to high stress.

Complaining about it makes Wu sound jealous

#224 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-16 02:30 PM | Reply

RoC posts every tabloid article about Democrats sexual misconducts he can find.

Oh, like being the first to post the Weinstein articles (to which you responded "I don't even know who that is") that started that little thing called #Metoo and the Al Franken article that he resigned over? Those trivial tabloid articles?

Good to see that I am firmly resident in your encephalitic little head given that I have one post from early yesterday evening on a 200+ post thread yet you still need to whine about me.

#225 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-16 02:34 PM | Reply

You built this you alt-right (R)tards! Remember this when cowards from the other side pull this same crap. You. Built. THIS!

#226 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-04-16 02:40 PM | Reply

#223 Kerik didn't need to hookup with them there, but I'm glad he did because it's how the affairs, which prevented him from becoming head of Homeland security, came to light. Apparently he had two mistresses, and he left a love note for one mistress in the apartment that the other one discovered:

twitter.com

Later, Roger Ailes asked the one mistress to lie to federal officials about the affair in order to protect Kerik, who Bush wanted to appoint, and also Giuliani, who was Kerik's mentor and who was also running for president at the time:

twitter.com

LOL Idiot.

#227 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-16 02:43 PM | Reply

Zed,

"Your position is that she should dress like a Christian until (some) Muslims and (some) Jews make peace?"

Is that what I said?

What I clearly said was if she's going to wear her religion on her sleeve (in her case on her head), she might want to show empathy for others to avoid showing favoritism (you know...separation of church and state all that stuff)

She represents America (presumably).

#228 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-16 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Zed,

"Your position is that she should dress like a Christian until (some) Muslims and (some) Jews make peace?"

btw....how does one dress like a Christian?

A worn woolen shawl and dragging a cross?

#229 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-16 04:15 PM | Reply

"Death threats are a problem that can happen to anyone."

Death threats don't just happen to anyone and definitely not to everyone.

Republicans are fools. Young people make mistakes.

If only Republcians could listen to her heart.

If only Republicans could listen.

#230 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-16 05:19 PM | Reply

She represents America (presumably).

#228 | Posted by BillJohnson

She represents her district. And they love her. She is not embarrassing them at all. They know her because they listen to her heart.

Maybe you should pay more attention to the guy who DOES represent America.

He has NO HEART and is embarrassing us all.

#231 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-16 05:22 PM | Reply

Fact is, if she is truly receiving death threats, it is because of her own mouth.

#232 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-04-16 07:06 PM | Reply

Fact is, if she is truly receiving death threats, it is because of her own mouth.
# 232 | POSTED BY MSGT

Fact is, she is receiving death threats.

What she said doesn't warrant it.

Nothing she could possibly say warrants death threats.

Then you wonder why Trump supporters are compared to Nazis.

Because in your mind. She's either lying about getting death threats, or she deserves them.

And if she gets shot. You really wouldn't care, nor would you see how Trump motivated it.

#233 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 07:26 PM | Reply

Trump's tweet incited people to violence no more than a news article does. The people who were exposed to Omar's words via the tweet would have been just as outraged, and behaved just as poorly, had they witnesses her dismissal of the 9/11 attack in person or on the news. She is facing the blowback for the words that she expressed from people who most likely don't watch the news (not that this was broadcast much), and instead were introduced to it via Trump's twitter feed.

#234 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-04-16 07:40 PM | Reply

it's not too hard to believe that indeed on 9/11 there was a cross section of American Muslins who thought the attack was justified and gave them satisfaction.
#112 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I suppose you could say there was a percent (however minute) of all Americans who could have considered it justified and satisfying to see America attacked. Rule of probability and all that.

I'm not sure if that sentiment was specifically higher amongst "American Muslims". Americans of all creeds love America.

#235 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 07:45 PM | Reply

she might want to show empathy for others to avoid showing favoritism (you know...separation of church and state all that stuff)

Show empathy for others? Does she not?

She's a congressional representative who doesn't have empathy for her constituents? Is she a Republican? You clearly don't require this of other politicians. Such as Trump.

Secondly. You don't have any problem Christians wearing their religion on their sleeves. Blurring the line between church and state.

Stop being such a hypocrite.

She represents America (presumably).
#228 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I'd argue she represents America's future more than you do.

#236 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 07:56 PM | Reply

"it's not too hard to believe that indeed on 9/11 there was a cross section of American Muslins who thought the attack was justified and gave them satisfaction.
#112 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON"

Why stop at Muslims?

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 08:10 PM | Reply

Why stop at Muslims?

Because they are Baba Yaga.

#238 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-16 08:14 PM | Reply

Trump's tweet incited people to violence ... people who most likely don't watch the news ... and instead were introduced to it via Trump's twitter feed.
#234 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Exactly.

Not only did he introduce it to people who probably didn't and wouldn't have seen it.

He also showed a video that took a clip of what she said from her speech, intercut it with footage of the twin towers falling, with audio of grief from people on 9/11/2001, ending with We Remember.

It is absolute propaganda, and a hit piece. It's literally doing what it was suppose to.

It's angering people and reminding them to hate and be afraid.

It's painting Ilhan Omar at worst as a terrorist, and as best a terrorist sympathizer.

Both of which are false.

Trump's actions have increased death threats on her life.

Trump's actions may cause someone to attempt something really stupid.

#239 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-16 08:36 PM | Reply

if she's going to wear her religion on her sleeve

You mean like every Chreestian in America does to the extent one has to pretend to get elected to public office?

Go f&@$ yourself bill.

#240 | Posted by jpw at 2019-04-16 08:41 PM | Reply

The people who were exposed to Omar's words via the tweet would have been just as outraged, and behaved just as poorly, had they witnesses her dismissal of the 9/11 attack in person or on the news.

Unlikely. Here's the part where you pretend to be ignorant of the power of imagery for the next 3 hours.

#241 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-16 08:44 PM | Reply

A stopped clock is right twice a day. Once if it's set to 24-hour mode. Rep. Omar is absolutely right that AIPAC and Isntreal in general hold absurdly disproportionate sway over the discussion of US politics, particularly foreign policy.

#242 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-16 10:12 PM | Reply

It's ironic that it took an imported first-year congressional diversity golem to call out the influence.

#243 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-16 10:15 PM | Reply

True but we also hold a fair amount of sway over Israel.
For example, we're not saying No, Bibi, you can't annex the West Bank.

#244 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 10:16 PM | Reply

(This is after saying, good job on annexing the Golan Heights.)

It's all about what side your bread is buttered on.

#245 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 10:16 PM | Reply

Trump moved embassy to Jerusalem as a favor to Sheldon Adelson (can't immediately find a link to where Trump considers this a "personal favor", so this will have to do in the meantime). "President Trump promised the Adelsons he would move the United States embassy in Israel to Jerusalem during a meeting in January 2017. The new embassy was opened in May."
www.nytimes.com

Benjamin Netanyahu sends two tweets-one in English and the other in Hebrew-w.r.t. sanctioning Iran. Can you spot the difference?
theintercept.com

Isntreal receives in excess of $3billion/year from US. We screen them with US security council vetoes constantly. What have we gotten in return? From MAGA to MIGA, orange man might have had balls at some point, but they're probably now sitting in a jar/in jars on the desk(s) of Netanyahu and Jared Kushner.

#246 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-16 10:36 PM | Reply

Former Rep. Cynthia McKinney: D.C. ‘Occupied by Zionists'
americanfreepress.net

#247 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-16 10:39 PM | Reply

"Isntreal receives in excess of $3billion/year from US. We screen them with US security council vetoes constantly. What have we gotten in return?"

They're not on Russia's side, and they're not on China's side.

#248 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-16 11:04 PM | Reply

Israel's ties with China are raising security concerns
www.economist.com

How Israel Used Weapons and Technology to Become an Ally of China
www.newsweek.com

Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China
www.military.com

#249 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-16 11:56 PM | Reply

Would it be a "trope" to suggest that maybe Our Double-Bestest Friend Evar And The Only Democracy In The Middle East is maybe not deserving of such loyalty - or fealty, if you take what Omar/McKinney are saying?

#250 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-17 12:01 AM | Reply

Zed,
"Your position is that she should dress like a Christian until (some) Muslims and (some) Jews make peace?"

Is that what I said?

What I clearly said was if she's going to wear her religion on her sleeve (in her case on her head), she might want to show empathy for others to avoid showing favoritism (you know...separation of church and state all that stuff)

She represents America (presumably).

#228 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-04-

Someone already nailed you, Bill. You've made an argument for not wearing Christian crosses, to prove one's empathy and lack of favoritism. Oh, and so you can show clearly you're an American.

#251 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-17 08:23 AM | Reply

When Trump said he'd supported people at his rallies assaulting and punching protesters in the face, that was inciting violence. If he says something along the lines of "somebody should do something about these people", that could be reasonsbly interpreted as inciting violence. Nothing like that is in the video he posted. It's just a PC partisan attack ad.

To sum up, faux outrage over Omar's comments, faux outrage over Trump's tweet. Distraction accomplished.

#252 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-17 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Never mind the fact that when pressed about a comparison between Trump and Obama her answer was, "One is human the other is not."

Nothing in that video dehumanized her.

Fact is, you sallies think she should be above criticism. She's not. Deal with it.

#253 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 10:19 AM | Reply

Jesus. You people literally live to play the victim card. It really is pathetic.

#254 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 10:20 AM | Reply

"It's painting Ilhan Omar at worst as a terrorist, and as best a terrorist sympathizer."

I have no doubt he would've been happy to do the exact same thing to any other congressional Democrat.

"Trump's actions have increased death threats on her life.
Trump's actions may cause someone to attempt something really stupid."

Extremely partisan ads against sitting politicians probably increase death threats on their lives most of the time and could cause someone to do something really stupid.

#255 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-17 10:24 AM | Reply

Public figures receive death threats all of the time.

It sucks and it's stupid, but it's part of life in this day and age, unfortunately.

This ad is a very legitimate criticism of her attempt to trivialize 9/11.

Seriously, suck it up. She's an adult. If she can't handle criticism perhaps she should stop running her mouth in public.

#256 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 10:29 AM | Reply

Congratulations Jeff.

You're the biggest troll on the DR.

It took me forever to catch onto your game.

But it's become obvious you're a troll.

But based on this thread and a couple others.

It's extremely clear you're a troll.

It's been interesting.

Have a good life.

#257 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-17 10:39 AM | Reply

The predictable response to Omar's words aside, this type of thing is done to other people around the world. Propaganda is cleverly honed and the people are painted, not as terrorists, but as terrorist sympathizers. And then American bombs are dropped on their heads and they (and often their family members) are killed and no one who is suckered into the propaganda bothers to bat an eyelid or lift a finger in protest.

It is pretty clear that, by accepting this type of propaganda as innocuous, JeffJ and others like him feed into the ongoing oppression and murder of innocents.

All I can say is that I am grateful that this type of propaganda doesn't have the same effect on me.

#258 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-17 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is pretty clear that, by accepting this type of propaganda as innocuous, JeffJ and others like him feed into the ongoing oppression and murder of innocents.

What?????

#259 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 11:16 AM | Reply

It is pretty clear that, by accepting this type of propaganda as innocuous, JeffJ and others like him feed into the ongoing oppression and murder of innocents.

My thoughts exactly.

#260 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-17 11:22 AM | Reply

It's painting Ilhan Omar at worst as a terrorist, and as best a terrorist sympathizer.

If that's what you took away from the video, I have but one word for you: Projection

#261 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 11:45 AM | Reply

#261

The FIRST lesson of cinematography is A + B = C.

For example:

1. Tell someone to think about a math problem.

2. Intersperse that shot repeatedly with a sandwich.

3. What do you, the viewer, believe the person is thinking about?

#262 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 12:05 PM | Reply

#262

Not only that.

The next time the person starts doing math. They will start craving a sandwich.

#263 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-17 12:11 PM | Reply

Jeff, I have one word for you:

'Stochastic' as in Stochastic Terrorism.

King Henry II: "Will no one rid me of this troublesome Priest?" And that was the call for Thomas Beckett to be murdered.

And Thomas Beckett was promptly murdered.

That was Stochastic Terrorism.

..'Go ahead, punch em in the face, I will pay your legal bills'... DJT demonstrating Stochastic terrorism.

#264 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-04-17 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Oh yeah, he bragged about touching fictitious women..."
Wow. What a fantasy world Trump has forced his followers into. You've been reduced to lying FOR him. Nice werk, Brownie!
#198 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You are talking about the recording that was presented not 10 days before the election (voter suppression?) aren't you?

What are the names of the women who Trump was talking about in the recording?

I'm not lying for Trump, I'm calling you out for condoning criminal activity from the Left. Why is it every time I call out Leftists for being hating this country, you "accuse" me of supporting something that you think is bad. LOL!!! I support Trump, but I also love this country and the Great American Experiment. You don't.

#265 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-17 12:19 PM | Reply

LOL, JordyPete, such a completely unhinged troll, posting his sycophantic ravings on the wrong thread!

#266 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-17 12:27 PM | Reply

#264, as mentioned in a previous post, I agree those things are attempts to incite violence. The video does nothing like that. Trump was counting on people overreacting to his tweet. Those who are have pleased him.

#267 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-04-17 12:28 PM | Reply

I'm not lying for Trump

#265 | Posted by JordyPete

Of course you are.

It surprises no one that Trump the Liar is supported by people such as you.

#268 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-17 12:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I support Trump, but I also love this country

#265 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-17 12:19 PMFlag:

Those two things don't go together.

#269 | Posted by Zed at 2019-04-17 12:31 PM | Reply

"What are the names of the women who Trump was talking about in the recording? "

What a riot. You can't be bothered to find the women who have accused him of exactly that, despite it being a simple search away.

Good God, you Trumperphluffers are a willfully lazy bunch.

#270 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 12:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm calling you out for condoning criminal activity from the Left. "

WTF are you babbling about?

#271 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"WTF are you babbling about?"

It's just the metallic tinkling of the buckles upon his straitjacket as JordyPete rebounds off the rubber walls inside his own personal bounce house...

#272 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-17 12:45 PM | Reply

Seriously, you guys are such drama queens.

#273 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 12:49 PM | Reply

Jesus, do you even read the articles you post? Trump denounced him only after first saying he didn't known anything about him.
#196 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

What does this even mean? All this shows is that the Leftists will take anything Trump says and spin it the way your twisted mind wants to see it.

The article speaks for itself. Did you read it or just cherry pick through it?

The sad fact is that Democrats have always been bigoted and racist and still are today through the bigoted phenomenon of Identity Politics! The Republicans have never been racist and if they find it in their party they get it out! The Democrats don't do that.

We call this "psychological projection"
en.wikipedia.org

Read this article, it will help you understand. It might even help you to start holding your own political party accountable.

#274 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-17 12:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

What a riot. You can't be bothered to find the women who have accused him of exactly that, despite it being a simple search away.
#270 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Really? LOL!!!

I think you searched for "Bill Clinton", didn't you? LOL!!! He actually raped someone. Is that what you found?

I'll ask the question AGAIN!
What are the names of the women who Trump was referring to in the recording?

In my previous post, I refer to an article on "psychological projection". READ IT!

#275 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-17 12:55 PM | Reply

"Seriously, you guys are such drama queens.
#273 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Seriously.

What's to be worried about, its only death threats, in a country where people have been killed just for appearing to be Muslim!

#276 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-17 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"What does this even mean? All this shows is that the Leftists will take anything Trump says and spin it the way your twisted mind wants to see it."

What it means is that Trump frequently takes different, and often conflicting, sides on many issues, so that everyone can hear what they want to hear in what he says and so he can deny saying things he has said by pointing to other things he has said. It's part of his chaos inducing approach to life and politics. I can't help you if you are too dishonest to admit that, but for those who aren't:

Why a Narcissist Creates Chaos

Without chaos, the narcissist has nothing. The more chaos a narcissist creates and projects upon you, the more you suffer and the more in control he becomes. The more in control the N becomes, the more he's able to manage down your expectations and get away with murder – right before your very eyes. By creating a non-stop cycle of narcissistic chaos, the N projects a crazy-making condition upon his victim that is intended to destroy her.

www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com

#277 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-17 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I think you searched for "Bill Clinton", didn't you?"

Great. You've moved from ostrich to deflector. And all because you can't address the actual issue.

"I'll ask the question AGAIN! What are the names of the women who Trump was referring to in the recording? "

Try asking Google. I realize it requires effort; see if you can muster.

My point is this: you're being willfully ignorant.

#278 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 01:03 PM | Reply

"The sad fact is that Democrats have always been bigoted and racist and still are today through the bigoted phenomenon of Identity Politics! The Republicans have never been racist and if they find it in their party they get it out! The Democrats don't do that.
We call this "psychological projection"
en.wikipedia.org
Read this article, it will help you understand. It might even help you to start holding your own political party accountable."

Tell me the truth: Did you type all that with a straight face?

#279 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-17 01:04 PM | Reply

Tell me the truth: Did you type all that with a straight face?

#279 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Gal.

JordyPete is our very own Special Eddie, back for some fun.

He got his backside handed to him as Eddie, so he became RonPaul, then J_Gault, now he's back as JordyPete.

He's here for nothing more than hyperbole and trolling.

#280 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-17 01:13 PM | Reply

280
I've got them all plonked (or will when I plonk jordy here in a sec).

#281 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-04-17 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"JordyPete is our very own Special Eddie, back for some fun.
He got his backside handed to him as Eddie, so he became RonPaul, then J_Gault, now he's back as JordyPete. "

That I did not know. TY

"He's here for nothing more than hyperbole and trolling."

Yeah, that much I figured out. I know, I know--don't feed the trolls.

#282 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-17 01:23 PM | Reply

# 281 - Chair,

I remember when I first started on the DR.

I use to love going back and forth with trolls for hours and days. It was a lot of fun.

Now. 10+ years later. I've grown tired and bored of them.

Couple months ago I plonked my first user and have added more since then.

#283 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-17 01:23 PM | Reply

Electing a troll for President took the bloom off the rose.

Not for Trumpers, of course. Trolling is pretty much all they know in life. Their only pleasure comes from other people's suffering. Happiness is a zero-sum game to them.

Bigly sad.

#284 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-17 01:28 PM | Reply

I use to love going back and forth with trolls for hours and days. It was a lot of fun.
Now. 10+ years later. I've grown tired and bored of them.

I'm in the same boat. Most of the time when I feel someone is trying to troll me I simply don't respond.

Couple months ago I plonked my first user and have added more since then.
#283 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I've got one person plonked. I've had a couple of others plonked for short periods of time over the past couple of years. The thing is, I taught myself how to plonk before the feature even existed - before reading any post I would first scroll down and see who posted it. Then I would decide whether or not it was worth my time to read. Same concept.

#285 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-17 01:30 PM | Reply

What it means is that Trump frequently ....
#277 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

What it means is that you are deflecting and you didn't read the article.

Omar and David Duke have a lot in common. They are bigots. The Republicans and Trump rejected David Duke and you know it! The Democrats have not and will not reject Omar. OWN THAT!

Case closed.

#286 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-17 02:31 PM | Reply

#280 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

wrong. LOL. You just can't stand the fact that there are millions out there who disagree with you and make fun of the fact that you have no idea that you live in a bubble.

#287 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-17 02:33 PM | Reply

"The Republicans and Trump rejected David Duke and you know it! "

When all you've got is lies, lies are all you've got.

#288 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 02:40 PM | Reply

"and make fun of the fact that you have no idea that you live in a bubble."

Anyone else's irony meter peg like mine just did?

#289 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When all you've got is lies, lies are all you've got.
#288 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

you really need to let it go and stop stalking me. All you are doing at this point is letting me know that you think I'm right.

#290 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-04-17 04:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"All you are doing at this point is letting me know that you think I'm right."

So...basically, you're admitting you suck at reading comprehension as well. Duly noted.

#291 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 04:03 PM | Reply

Special Eddie lies as much as his orange, child-raping hero.

#292 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2019-04-17 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Special Eddie lies as much as his orange, child-raping hero."

It's almost laughable: Roy Moore, Republican, has nothing to do with the Republican Party?!? How desperate will the lies get?

#293 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-04-17 04:11 PM | Reply

Anyone else's irony meter peg like mine just did?
#289 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Ding DIng Ding!!

#294 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-17 04:14 PM | Reply

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