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The Corvette has changed a lot over the past 66 years, but it has always remained a front-engined, rear-wheel-drive sports car. The new 2020 Corvette will have its engine behind the seats. It's a design idea that was pioneered in the Lamborghini Miura in 1966, and has since become the standard for extreme high-performance sports car.

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Whoever wrote the article did not do any research.

The mid-engine, rear-wheel drive format can be considered the original layout of automobiles.[citation needed] A 1901 Autocar was the first gasoline-powered automobile to use a drive shaft and placed the engine under the seat. This pioneering vehicle is now in the collection of the Smithsonian Institution.[1]

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-12 06:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And the first rear engine car was.................

The first stationary gasoline engine developed by Carl Benz was a one-cylinder two-stroke unit which ran for the first time on New Year's Eve 1879. Benz had so much commercial success with this engine that he was able to devote more time to his dream of creating a lightweight car powered by a gasoline engine, in which the chassis and engine formed a single unit.

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-12 06:25 PM | Reply

Dammit, I just masturbated and now I can't get it up again... hey wait, that one is red....

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-04-12 06:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Whoever wrote the article did not do any research.

How would you know? You obviously didn't read it.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-12 07:02 PM | Reply

Whoever...did not do any research.
#1 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Serious inside DR self-retorting retort.
I have never seen you post a single factual piece of information here. Obviously, research is something you know nothing about.

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-04-13 09:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I saw one on the street last week. Granted, it had all of that crap on it to try and obscure what it was, but the overall shape was consistent with drawings I've seen.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-13 01:56 PM | Reply

Boring.

Way to put a ton of resources into yesterday's tech GM.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-13 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How would you know? You obviously didn't read it.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL

From the article dummy.

"It's a design idea that was pioneered in the Lamborghini Miura in 1966, and has since become the standard for extreme high-performance sports car."

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-13 05:23 PM | Reply

How would you know? You obviously didn't read it.

#4 | Posted by REDIAL

From the article dummy.

"It's a design idea that was pioneered in the Lamborghini Miura in 1966, and has since become the standard for extreme high-performance sports car."

#9 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-13 05:23 PM | Reply

You dippy libs jump without looking.

#10 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-13 05:24 PM | Reply

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You dippy libs jump without looking.

#11 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-13 05:24 PM | Reply

#7 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

especially, since much of the allure of corvette ownership is it's adherence to history..specifically, the classic front engine, rear wheel drive configuration.

#12 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-04-13 05:39 PM | Reply

A 1901 Autocar was the first gasoline-powered automobile to use a drive shaft and placed the engine under the seat.

And the first electric car was out 13 years before that. Who'da thunk?

#13 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-04-13 05:51 PM | Reply

Q: What's the difference between a Corvette and a porcupine?
A: The porcupine has it's ------ on the outside.

#14 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-04-13 06:18 PM | Reply

A middle aged man's midlife crisis ride.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-04-13 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Whoever wrote the article did not do any research."
*posts a quote from wikipedia*

Jesus christ sniper, do you ever tire of embarrassing yourself?

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-13 06:28 PM | Reply

This pic of a camouflaged 2020 Corvette sure looks like a mid-engine vehicle. Short nose, long back end.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-13 08:55 PM | Reply

If GM had adapted the Bolt into the shape of a Vette but with Ludicrous acceleration I would have wanted to buy one.

#18 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-04-13 11:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They seriously should have made this an electric vehicle. Musk showed that EVs get unrivaled acceleration, with one of his $100,000 Model X cars beating gas-powered cars that cost 10-20 times more.

#19 | Posted by MarcNBarrett at 2019-04-14 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And the first electric car was out 13 years before that. Who'da thunk?

#13 | Posted by REDIAL

what is your point in reguard to the thread>?

#20 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-14 12:04 PM | Reply

This pic of a camouflaged 2020 Corvette sure looks like a mid-engine vehicle. Short nose, long back end.

#17 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

WTF does that have to do with being a "design idea that was pioneered in the Lamborghini Miura in 1966," You are dense at best.

#21 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-14 12:08 PM | Reply

They seriously should have made this an electric vehicle. Musk showed that EVs get unrivaled acceleration, with one of his $100,000 Model X cars beating gas-powered cars that cost 10-20 times more.

#19 | Posted by MarcNBarrett

And only go 150 miles on a charge in 75F weather without running the AC which would drop the milage by about 20%. WTF over? Who only drives a Vet only 120 miles in the summer with a fill-up?

#22 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-14 12:12 PM | Reply

22 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Absolutely nothing of value would be lost if this brain dead ---- ate a gun.

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-04-14 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Musk showed that EVs get unrivaled acceleration, with one of his $100,000 Model X cars beating gas-powered cars that cost 10-20 times more.

I have yet to understand, not just EV, but the whole performance thing at this point.
The modern day sedan can driver further, out perform anything from the 70's.
Reliability is through the roof.

We are talking outlier, of outliers, unless you are tracking your vehicle this really makes no sense to an old geezer like me.

The main issue I see is you can't wrench on todays modern car. Not that I was a motorhead, but I did enjoy swapping out shocks, sparkplugs and the usual consumables.

Today especially on today's mid, rear engine cars you can't do anything without dropping the motor.

All that being said, I am partial to convertibles, question to my EV proponents, anyone make a convertible EV?

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-14 12:24 PM | Reply

The main issue I see is you can't wrench on todays modern car.

Painfully true.

#25 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-04-14 12:27 PM | Reply

#23 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

Talking about yourself ace. Nice.

I post true stuff and your only comeback is wish me dead.

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-14 03:09 PM | Reply

I post true stuff and your only comeback is wish me dead.

#26 | Posted by Sniper

It's because you're typically either laughably wrong or turn into a snarly -----. For instance, I made a comment that the body has the hints of a mid engine car and you fart out some nonsense about being dense.

#27 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-15 06:37 AM | Reply

Viewing some of the spy shots, I see too much Ferrari 458 with the side intakes of a 488, a great look to be sure, but this icon should have a personality of its own.

#28 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-04-15 07:16 AM | Reply

"The new 2020 Corvette will have its engine behind the seats."

For instance, I made a comment that the body has the hints of a mid engine car and you fart out some nonsense about being dense.

That is what the article said captain obvious.

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-04-15 01:17 PM | Reply

It's because you're typically either laughably wrong or turn into a snarly -----.

yea, that's a reason to want to wish someone dead.

Why does RCADE allow such comments?

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2019-04-15 01:44 PM | Reply

All that being said, I am partial to convertibles, question to my EV proponents, anyone make a convertible EV?

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Tesla made one in 2008-2012. You can get them used now. They're making a new one in a couple years that will blow the doors off every ferrari and lambo on the planet for 1/4 the price.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-15 01:50 PM | Reply

They seriously should have made this an electric vehicle. Musk showed that EVs get unrivaled acceleration, with one of his $100,000 Model X cars beating gas-powered cars that cost 10-20 times more.

#19 | POSTED BY MARCNBARRETT

The only car I can think of that costs 10-20 times more is the Bugatti Chiroc and it has a top speed of more than 250 miles per hour.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 01:51 PM | Reply

The Dodge Demon costs less and has a faster 0-60 time than the S.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 01:53 PM | Reply

The Dodge Demon costs less and has a faster 0-60 time than the S.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ

Nope.

insideevs.com

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-15 02:07 PM | Reply

#30 | Posted by boaz

Spare us your outrage, hypocrite. You never said a f**king word when a couple on your side of the aisle spent most of their days, for years, trolling and attacking DR posters old and new with sickening comments.

#35 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-04-15 02:15 PM | Reply

Speaks,

The 0-60 time I saw for the Demon was 2.3 seconds. The S is 2.5. Again, that was me clicking the first thing that popped up when I googled: Top 10 0-60 cars.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 02:18 PM | Reply

The problem the Demon has is launching. It's difficult to put all 840 horsepower to the ground when the engine is only propelling 2 wheels.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 02:25 PM | Reply

The 0-60 time I saw for the Demon was 2.3 seconds. The S is 2.5. Again, that was me clicking the first thing that popped up when I googled: Top 10 0-60 cars.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ

insideevs.com

"We reported that Jeep has decided to exclude the Tesla Model X P100D from its list of SUVs in order to lay claim to having the "quickest" production SUV in the world.

Now, Dodge has come forward with the "fastest production car" ever produced. It's the all-new 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon, and they say it can also tackle a zero to 60 sprint in 2.3 seconds.

The National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) banned the Demon due to a lack of safety equipment necessary for its type of performance (it only has one seat and has been substantially stripped down to reduce weight). It's a street-legal drag car, by every definition."

Depending on where you look, or who you talk to, the Demon's 2.3-second zero to 60 sprint may have just succeeded in topping the Model S. According to Tesla's website, the Model S P100D is capable of a 2.5-second time.

However, that information was posted prior to the new Ludicrous Easter Egg updates. If Dodge simply had to beat 2.5, the challenge may have not been so difficult. But published figures for the Tesla Model S P100D with the new Ludicrous upgrade show a 2.28-second time.

Motor Trend did the testing and is sticking by its methods, a similar real world result has since appeared."

Basically, if you strip the model S down for racing like the Demons is stripped down, the Model S is faster.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-15 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#38 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Good stuff. NW.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 02:34 PM | Reply

Basically, if you strip the model S down for racing like the Demons is stripped down, the Model S is faster.
#38 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Proof positive: www.youtube.com

#40 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-04-15 03:04 PM | Reply

Good stuff. NW.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ

This stuff actually doesn't matter in the slightest to me, but those fractions of a second appear to be really important to certain types of car fans.

There are some guys who will fight to the death to avoid admitting the superiority of electric cars. They're having to find more and more ridiculous edge cases to find areas where ICE steal beats EV. Lately they're reduced to "well what if you need race someone flat out all day?"

EV and battery tech is only at the beginning of rapid technological improvement, whereas ICE tech is pretty much as good as it can get. Soon there will be no situations left where ICE beats EV, and these guys will be left complaining that they're just too quiet and easy to drive.

The loudness of a powerful gas engine enables people behind the wheel to feel as if THEY are powerful people. And in a world of fragile egos where disempowered men are desperate to feel powerful and skilled, the loss of that noise and the gear-shifting experience means the loss of part of their ego. Egos do not go without a fight.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-15 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There are some guys who will fight to the death to avoid admitting the superiority of electric cars."

These are the same deplorables who think rolling coal is a good way to spend their time on this earth.

It's toxic masculinity.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-15 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

A couple of months ago I posted a video of a couple of car guys doing a comparison between a BMW 2-series and the Tesla 3.

Did you happen to catch it?

Both guys went into the comparison thinking they'd like the BMW better but ended up picking the 3.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For me, as one who considers himself a car enthusiast, I find the big gobs of instant torque that an EV generates to be very alluring.

I do love ICE's that have a cool-sounding exhaust note, but I recognize that it's superficial.

My brother took delivery of an Edge ST last week. I got a chance to drive it over the weekend. The exhaust note had a howl to it as it approached the redline that was reminiscent of a Porsche flat-6.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 03:18 PM | Reply

A couple of months ago I posted a video of a couple of car guys doing a comparison between a BMW 2-series and the Tesla 3.

Did you happen to catch it?

Both guys went into the comparison thinking they'd like the BMW better but ended up picking the 3.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ

I didnt see that but those stories are everywhere. Honestly teslas convert so many people that the only thing that will stop their spread is that they'll become to common to be desirable.

My old car was an infinity G35 that had a sexy exhaust note. I loved it at the time but now I don't miss it at all.

I beat a BMW M6 the other day. He was tearing off from a stop light and making a hell of a lot of noise. Beating those guys with a silent car must feel like they got their butt kicked by a girl.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-15 05:52 PM | Reply

#45

Beating an M6 is no small feat. Well done!

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 06:02 PM | Reply

Speaks,

0-60 times can be very deceptive. At stoplights very few people are going to do things like brake-torque or rev the car to 4000 rpm and dump the clutch.

Car and Driver also includes a 5-60 metric when testing cars. This provides a real world acceleration number. Basically they roll the car and then floor it. No tricks to improve the acceleration time. As for the 3....it's 5-60 time is the exact same as it's 0-60 time. It gets to 60 in 5 seconds without any trickery.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 06:08 PM | Reply

0-60 times can be very deceptive. At stoplights very few people are going to do things like brake-torque or rev the car to 4000 rpm and dump the clutch.

Car and Driver also includes a 5-60 metric when testing cars. This provides a real world acceleration number. Basically they roll the car and then floor it. No tricks to improve the acceleration time. As for the 3....it's 5-60 time is the exact same as it's 0-60 time. It gets to 60 in 5 seconds without any trickery.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ

Maybe but regular mash-the-gas stop light races are the most common real-world contests.

The 3 (or at least my model) is actually software nerfed off the line and you dont feel the max engine power til around 30mph at which point it feels like you're in the back cart of a roller coaster and the rest of the roller coaster has already headed down the hill.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-15 06:17 PM | Reply

Agreed, which is why I like the 5-60 test so much. It reflects real-world stoplight action. A 5 second 5-60 run is far more impressive than a 5 second 0-60 run.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-15 06:28 PM | Reply

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