Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, April 10, 2019

Reminded by the Times reporter that he is now someone of considerable means, Sanders retorted: "I wrote a best-selling book. If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too." Uh, what?

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#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-10 04:34 PM | Reply

"Sanders got a pass on some of his acerbic-ness during the 2016 presidential campaign because a) most people didn't think he could win and b) others found it part of his cantankerous but righteous personality. But let's think about that campaign for another minute.

Close your eyes and imagine if Hillary Clinton, who beat Sanders for the Democratic nomination, when asked about the extent of her wealth, said "I wrote a best-selling book. If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too."

She would have been pilloried!

People would have blasted Clinton for being out of touch with the average person who, obvi, doesn't have the opportunity to write a book -- best-selling or not.

Telling the average middle-class American that they too can be rich if they only write a best-selling book is like telling them that if they would just star in a movie then they could be a big star, too. Yes, it's true. No, for almost everyone, it's not realistic.

In 2016, Clinton was the frontrunner -- and most of the attention and energy in the political media was focused on her. But now Sanders is one of the frontrunners. Which means that he simply cannot be as dismissive, curt or out-of-touch as his "write a best-selling book" comments come off.

Then there is the broader problem of Sanders' wealth as it relates to his core campaign message that "millionaires and billionaires" have cornered far too much wealth and power in this country -- and need to be reined in by a more activist federal government.

Now that Sanders is one of those "millionaires and billionaires," it could complicate that message -- and his appeal as the underfunded outsider taking on the monied interested in Washington."

Bernie is going to have to take some advice from his younger self and tiptoe, not stomp.

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#2 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-10 04:35 PM | Reply

encore!

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#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-10 04:36 PM | Reply

Bernie's answer is spot-on.

No need to apologize for success.

#4 | Posted by Snoofy at 2019-04-10 04:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Let v.2 of the Night of the Long Knives begin...

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-10 04:41 PM | Reply

Is that how his heroes Chavez and Maduro made their first million?

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-10 04:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5

Says RoRoyCohn.

Bernie needs avoid any 'let them eat cake' kind of answers. Cillizza is correct, Hillary would have been locked up for that answer, and she wasn't castigating the wealthy... just being stealthy:

www.vox.com

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-10 05:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Sanders cashes in on books titled "Guide to political revolution" and "Our Revolution." Too funny. He certainly revolutionized his bank account.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-10 05:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Wow, an article by a butt hurt Clintonite

#9 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#7

Bring out the Pantsuit Archive from the Year of Our Lord Twenty Sixteen!!!

Lord Dorkus of Naples

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-10 05:31 PM | Reply

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Oh hum Clinton supporters still lashing out. May I recommend Psychotropic medication??

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-04-10 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

His answer is up there with claiming black primary votes don't matter.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 05:45 PM | Reply

He looks like he combs his hair with a stick.
Next he'll grow a beard to be cool.
He'd be better off taking his millions to a fancy old folks home.

#13 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-04-10 05:51 PM | Reply

His answer is up there with claiming black primary votes don't matter.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 05:45 PM | Reply

Once again Tor lies

#14 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 05:55 PM | Reply

- No need to apologize for success.

The point isn't what you or I might think, it's what the general voting public might think and how that might effect their perception; does it sound hypocritical to them.

Of course, some ultra-radical BernieBros.... you know, the ones who refused to listen to him about who to vote for in the general, are going to hate on anyone that makes any criticism of him, even if it is as constructively put as Cillizza's.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2019-04-10 05:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump cannot release his tax returns because he is afraid we will find out Trump is not really even a millionaire.

Bernie cannot release his tax returns because he is afraid we will find out that Bernie is.

(credit -- The Late Show with Stephen Colbert & Bernie!)

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-10 06:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Bernie's answer is spot-on. No need to apologize for success."

Agreed.

Didn't Trump write a best seller as well?

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-10 06:04 PM | Reply

16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-10 06:04 PM | Reply |

Bernie is releasing his tax returns next Monday

#18 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:09 PM | Reply

"The point isn't what you or I might think, it's what the general voting public might think and how that might effect their perception; does it sound hypocritical to them."

Agreed.

If his doesn't need to apologize for his millions, why should anyone else in that situation?

He's basically spent most of his life blasting the demographic he is now a member of.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-10 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I recall either Sanders or one of his spokes jerks saying just that about black voters in the south.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:12 PM | Reply

"The point isn't what you or I might think, it's what the general voting public might think and how that might effect their perception; does it sound hypocritical to them."

The general public will think is the guy wrote a couple of books and made a million dollars from it.

a million made by not exploiting his fellow human beings

#21 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:13 PM | Reply

I recall either Sanders or one of his spokes jerks saying just that about black voters in the south.

#20 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:12 PM | Reply |

In other words you pulled it out of your behind

#22 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:15 PM | Reply

Polls suggest black voters liked Sanders in 2016 and like him now. Rather, if 2016 is any guide, the barrier to Sanders winning black voters will be whether another candidate comes along who black voters like even more.

fivethirtyeight.com

#23 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:20 PM | Reply

"a million made by not exploiting his fellow human beings"

You can't be a good socialist by being a good capitalist.

A true socialist would have given the book away. Or waited until he had been elected and take his millions from the taxpayers...like Chavez and Maduro did.

#24 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-10 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If his doesn't need to apologize for his millions, why should anyone else in that situation?

He's basically spent most of his life blasting the demographic he is now a member of.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at

He doesn't have millions in fact barely has a million dollars, and he made it by writing not by exploiting people

#25 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:26 PM | Reply

Oh sure call me a liar just because I disagree with you when it comes to precious sanders.

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Winning South Carolina in the Democratic primary is about as significant as winning Guam. No Democrat is going to win South Carolina in the general election. Why do these victories have so much significance?"

www.washingtonpost.com

#27 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:34 PM | Reply

#26 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:29 PM

here I will just repost this

Polls suggest black voters liked Sanders in 2016 and like him now. Rather, if 2016 is any guide, the barrier to Sanders winning black voters will be whether another candidate comes along who black voters like even more.

fivethirtyeight.com

#28 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:35 PM | Reply

Look at that the likely quote has been found.

Yeah that's some serious privilege on display.

When it comes to Presidential elections for many Black Americans the primary vote is the ONLY one where their voices are heard.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:38 PM | Reply

No Democrat is going to win South Carolina in the general election. Why do these victories have so much significance?"
#27 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:34 PM

Uhm, Trump took South Carolina just like Bernie said he would

#30 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:44 PM | Reply

Being obtuse doesn't prove you right it proves you ashamed I'm right.

#31 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:38 PM |

And no, your quote has not been found, he never said what you said

#32 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:46 PM | Reply

16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-10 06:04 PM | Reply |

Bernie is releasing his tax returns next Monday

#18 | Posted by PunchyPossum

Ha!

And you believed him??

What? You believe that Bernie will do what he says he will do?

Wow. That so not MAGA!!

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-04-10 06:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Punchy is showing complete faith in a politician.

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:49 PM | Reply

"He doesn't have millions in fact barely has a million dollars, and he made it by writing not by exploiting people"

Really?

There weren't workers in the factories that assembled those books? Janitors? Other low wage employees?

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-10 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#34 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:49 PM | Reply | F

I see your argument Descended to the level of grade schooler

#36 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 06:56 PM | Reply

Setting yourself up as an authority figure who can declare he's won a debate on the internet is Trump like.

#37 | Posted by Tor at 2019-04-10 06:59 PM | Reply

"he made it by writing not by exploiting people"

No, he killed the Left to make that.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 08:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Bernie does his taxes on Turbotax. He wrote a book or two... yes turned in his income for us to see. What more do --------- want?

#39 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-04-10 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He is also guest appearing on fox news. Don't short-hand the guy!

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 09:23 PM | Reply

He and Donna Brazile bring the big advertising money to Fox News. Great stuff for journalism and the truth.

#41 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 10:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He wrote a couple of books and made a million clutch pearl, Oh NO!

He is doing a Town Hall on Fox news other hand clutch pearls, OH NO!

What the Dem party said was that there would be no debate on Fox news, no one said there would be no appearance on fox news.

And Bernie is right this is a way where he can reach out to people he would normally have a hard time to reach out to

#42 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 11:22 PM | Reply

"he made it by writing not by exploiting people"

No, he killed the Left to make that.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 08:30 PM | R

Really can you even trust what this person ever has to say after he posts something so God Damn dumb as this

#43 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 11:25 PM | Reply

How 'bout some more funny flags Bernie Bully?

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:27 PM | Reply

"He wrote a couple of books and made a million "

I hear it was a $3 million advance for just one of them.

Remember when Amazon was going to pay their workers 150k and you screamed that was obscene wealth that was going to destroy the community? That people should only earn $50k per year?

You sure seem like a hypocrite now.

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:27 PM |

How about some critical thinking and reasoning then just screeching.

The left has become stronger in the last few years not weaker, so if this is the case Bernie did not kill the left he made it stronger

#46 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 11:30 PM | Reply

"this is a way where he can reach out to people he would normally have a hard time to reach out to"

More book sales and campaign donations from folks who should keep their money for food and housing. Bernie gets free tweets and rallies and Fox News spotlights. Why does he need to take more? How much is he donating to his own campaigns? He didn't give a penny to the DNC, then cried that someone else picked up the baton and supported the infrastructure of the left.

#47 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:32 PM | Reply

"then just screeching."

Just shut your mouth when you type and read. You're welcome.

#48 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:33 PM | Reply

#46 if you think this is what a strong left looks like, then you're too far into the cyanide Kool-aid to save.

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:35 PM | Reply

45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I remember Amazon was paying their warehouse workers minimum wages and that they were forced to work so hard and fast that the employees had to pee in the trash can, I remember accidents in Amazon warehouses are extremely high and several deaths has resulted many times from worker being over worked which caused deadly accidents.

But you don't care because you have stocks in Amazon

#50 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 11:38 PM | Reply

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-10 11:35

Yes this is what a strong left in America looks like, no one just a few years ago would believe a Socialist
actually has a chance to be a elected candidate to run for President.

No one would believe that in America so many socialist have many elected to office as has happen in the past few years.

What you really complain about is the slow death of neo-liberalism

#51 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 11:46 PM | Reply

Heck in 2016 it was only Bernie talking about medicare for all now most Dem candidates are now talking about medicare for all.

#52 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 11:49 PM | Reply

2018 marked a radical change for the labor movement, with 485,000 workers going on strike -- the most since 1986

#53 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-10 11:57 PM | Reply

"No one would believe that in America so many socialist have many elected to office as has happen in the past few years."

Serious question: how many have there been? Got a link?

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:00 AM | Reply

Chicago tribune April 10

When Lori Lightfoot presides over her first City Council meeting, she'll look out over 50 aldermen, 10 percent of them unabashedly socialists.
www.chicagotribune.com

#55 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-11 12:03 AM | Reply

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:00 AM

No I don't

#56 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-11 12:05 AM | Reply

Well, if you come across a link to some stats on that, please link to them.

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:08 AM | Reply

Heck in 2016 it was only Bernie talking about medicare for all now most Dem candidates are now talking about medicare for all.

#52 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM

He also talked about how illegal immigration pushed down wages on minorities ...

*crickets* from Dem candidates.

#58 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-11 12:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I found this from 2018

some DSA victories this cycle include:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Julia Salazar in New York

James Thompson in Kansas
Rashida Tlaib in Michigan
Sarah Smith in Washington
Four women in Pennsylvania, all backed by the Philly chapter of DSA, won their primaries for state House: Summer Lee and Sara Innamorato both unseated longtime Democratic incumbents, and Elizabeth Fiedler and Kristin Seale won their races.

Ocasio-Cortez, the Democratic socialist darling of 2018, has endorsed at least five candidates outside of DSA who have won their primaries, including Ayanna Pressley in Massachusetts, Ben Jealous in Maryland, Stacey Abrams in Georgia, Andrew Gillum in Florida and Ilhan Omar in Minnesota.
www.axios.com

and in Seattle a socialist has been elected twice to city council

#59 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-11 12:11 AM | Reply

I don't mind Bernie getting rich off of writing books. If people are interested enough to buy them, that's cool. What I mind is folks who bashed others like Obama for doing that but who are now giving Bernie a pass.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No one would believe that in America so many socialist have many elected to office as has happen in the past few years."

I do, Americans, millenials in particular, are losers ... they know they can't compete with the RoW, so they promote importing cheap labor, importing high earners to pay taxes, and hoping for FREE Healthcare, College, UBI and Uber cedits.

While living at home.

#61 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-11 12:13 AM | Reply

I don't mind Bernie getting rich off of writing books.

As a socialist why didn't he just give them away at some point?

When is enough enough?

#62 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-11 12:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#59 Thanks, Punchy. Salazar, AOC, Pressley and Omar all won their elections. Will have to google how the women in PA fared.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:15 AM | Reply

Oh, I see 2 out of the 4 won: Elizabeth Fiedler and Kristin Seale won their races.

#64 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:18 AM | Reply

"As a socialist why didn't he just give them away at some point?"

Question makes no sense.
Or maybe it's meant to be a trick question, I dunno.
To give something away, it has to be yours to give, which means you've already bought into the whole "private property" mythology.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-11 12:21 AM | Reply

He also talked about how illegal immigration pushed down wages on minorities ...

*crickets* from Dem candidates.

#58 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-11 12:11 AM

Bernie Sanders Against Open Borders: "That Would Substantially Lower Wages In This Country"

At an event hosted by the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce on Thursday, Democratic candidate for president Sen. Bernie Sanders made it clear he is against open borders because it drives down the wages of American workers.

Responding to the criticism he received from Hispanic groups after an interview with Ezra Klein of Vox earlier this week where he made similar comments Sanders dismissed them as organizations who support "completely opening up the border."

"What they are talking about is completely opening up the border," Sanders responded. "That was the question. Should we have a completely open border so that anyone can come in the United States of America? If that were to happen, which I strongly disagree with, there is no question in my mind that that would substantially lower wages in this country."
www.realclearpolitics.com

So he was responding to a question about having a complete open border, very few people are for that

#66 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-11 12:23 AM | Reply

Sorry, Lee and Innamorato both won in PA (Pittsburgh area):

On January 1, 2019, Lee became the first black woman to represent Southwestern Pennsylvania in the state legislature.

Sara Innamorato is an American politician who was elected to the Pennsylvania House of Representatives in 2018 and is the Representative for the 21st district, which includes parts of Pittsburgh and the surrounding area.

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:24 AM | Reply

"I do, Americans, millenials in particular, are losers ... they know they can't compete with the RoW, so they promote importing cheap labor, importing high earners to pay taxes, and hoping for FREE Healthcare, College, UBI and Uber cedits.
While living at home."

I think the 2 women won in the Pittsburgh area because that area used to be the home of steel mills and strong unions. The loss of manufacturing hit that area hard, and it has never fully recovered.

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 12:28 AM | Reply

Chris Cillizza "pilloried" Bernie in his POS article. I never really watch CNN, but they still sure do not like a Sanders nomination.

#69 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-04-11 12:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who is Chris Cillizza

After working as a novelist and later an intern for conservative writer George Will,

Columbia Journalism Review has described Cillizza's informal, "everyman" style as being popular with readers, but extremely unpopular with other journalists and media experts. Media critic Jay Rosen has compared his approach to infotainment which turns political analysis into gamesmanship detached from real-world implications. Examples of his unserious approach to politics cited in the Columbia Journalism Review including a "second-by-second" analysis of a handshake between Donald Trump and Emmanuel Macron[26] and an article about the relationship between Jeff Sessions and the President, among others.[11] Former CNN host Soledad O'Brien has also described Cillizza's work as facile. David Weigel has criticized Cillizza for focusing on arbitrary predictions rather than factual analysis. Cillizza, along with Mark Halperin and Ron Fournier, was cited by Felix Biederman and Virgil Texas as one of the inspirations for their parody political pundit Carl Diggler.

en.wikipedia.org

#70 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-11 01:18 AM | Reply

--So he was responding to a question about having a complete open border, very few people are for that

Nice try. He stated that illegal immigration reduced wages right up to early 2016, whether or not there were "completely open borders." Then he dropped the subject in face of criticism by the pro-illegal immigrant crowd.

#71 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 01:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

*munches popcorn*

#72 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-11 01:33 AM | Reply

#71

Shhhhh, those facts are super inconvenient to The Narrative...

-The DSA

#73 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-11 01:35 AM | Reply

"Sanders stopped emphasizing immigration's costs. By January 2016, FWD.us's policy director noted with satisfaction that he had "evolved on this issue.""

#74 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 01:35 AM | Reply

" "I want to tell you that there are areas in this bill where I have strong disagreements and that is the issue of legal immigration what we are doing in terms of bringing people into this country who in my view will end up lowering wages for American workers." (Senator Bernie Sanders, Remarks On The Senate Floor , Washington, D.C., 6/6/07

I think this Senate should be spending much more of its time making it easier to create decent-paying jobs for American workers, instead of allowing corporate America to drive down wages by importing more and more workers from overseas." (Press Release, "Statement By Sen. Bernie Sanders On Anti-Layoff Amendment," Sen. Bernie Sanders , 6/7/07)

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 01:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bernie Sanders says he is against open borders, for 'comprehensive immigration reform'
By Chris Mills Rodrigo - 04/08/19 08:08 AM

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Sunday shot back at those who suggest he supports open borders, saying high levels of global poverty would make an open borders policy complicated.

When asked at an Oskaloosa, Iowa, town hall why he supported open borders, the 2020 White House candidate was quick to clarify his stance.

"I'm afraid you may be getting your information wrong," Sanders replied, according to The Washington Post. "I think what we need is comprehensive immigration reform."

"Oh my god, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it," the Vermont lawmaker continued.

Sanders, as well as the majority of 2020 Democratic hopefuls, has not released an immigration platform yet.

President Trump has frequently targeted Democrats on the issue of immigration, calling them "the party of Open Borders," although no elected Democrats have called for the policy.

In July, Sanders called for restructuring Immigration and Customs Enforcement as part of a broad immigration overhaul, saying in a tweet, "We must not be about deporting DREAMers, young people who have lived in this country virtually their entire lives."
thehill.com

#76 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-11 01:44 AM | Reply

Sander opposing guest-worker programs:

If poverty is increasing and if wages are going down, I don't know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than American workers and drive waged down even lower than they are now," Sanders said in an interview with Lou Dobbs in 2007.

#77 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 01:45 AM | Reply

Bernie 4 days ago:

The Hill @thehill

Sen. Bernie Sanders campaigns in Oskaloosa, IA: "If you open the borders, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."
12:23 PM - 7 Apr 2019

twitter.com

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 01:45 AM | Reply

Nice try. He stated that illegal immigration reduced wages right up to early 2016, whether or not there were "completely open borders." Then he dropped the subject in face of criticism by the pro-illegal immigrant crowd.

Nice try yourself. See my previous post.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 01:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


Soooo...

A question that has lingered in my mind when I enter the voting booth...

Do I go by what the politicians have told me over the years, or do I go by what politicians tell me what they plan to do in the future?

(serious question)

#80 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-04-11 01:46 AM | Reply

--I think what we need is comprehensive immigration reform."

Translation: full amnesty for everyone, followed by citizenship and voter registration. It's the Democrat dream scenario.

#81 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 01:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Nice try yourself. See my previous post."

BTW, I posted this very link to you 2 days ago:

#4 No, it's what some of us have been saying all along: Obama like a lot of Dems aren't for open borders. Neither is Bernie.

The Hill @thehill

Sen. Bernie Sanders campaigns in Oskaloosa, IA: "If you open the borders, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."
twitter.com
#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-09 12:30 AM

www.drudge.com

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 01:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Bernie 4 days ago

Exactly. 4 days ago. He can't win by stating what he did in early 2016. The Dems have moved too far to a pro-illegal position. He has "evolved" to match the party's evolution.

#83 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 01:53 AM | Reply

--I posted this very link to you 2 days ago:

You want a medal? I probably read his comments before you did.

#84 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 01:56 AM | Reply

"He can't win by stating what he did in early 2016."

If you watch the video, Bernie says that the questioner has been misinformed regarding his position.

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 01:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I probably read his comments before you did."

Of course, you are the greatest, man. The bestest of the best. No wonder Trump's your daddy.

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 02:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Sanders stopped emphasizing immigration's costs. By January 2016, FWD.us's policy director noted with satisfaction that he had "evolved on this issue.""

Here's the link for the quote Nulli cited, but I don't see anywhere in the article that Sanders himself said he had "evolved on this issue". More likely, some people were misinformed:

www.theatlantic.com

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 02:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How the Democrats Lost Their Way on Immigration

In the past decade, liberals have avoided inconvenient truths about the issue.

www.theatlantic.com

Alternative headline: How the Democrats Sold Out the Working Class

#88 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-04-11 02:06 AM | Reply

"He can't win by stating what he did in early 2016."

He can win by stating what he did in early 2016. The progressives who are already with him won't like it, but his stance will resonate with other less progressive Democrats who aren't for open borders.

#89 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 02:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I probably read his comments before you did."

You read Obama's comments before I did:

Barack Obama Says Not 'Everyone Who Is Disturbed by Migration' Can Be Branded 'Racist'

www.newsweek.com

Comprehensive, common sense immigration should be the Dems platform.

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-04-11 02:18 AM | Reply

No place in the Atlantic article did Bernie say he was for open borders, but he did say he was against open borders in 2015 and he said he was against open borders 4 days ago.

links to Bernie saying he is against open borders posted already above.

Conservatives here, no really when he says he is against open borders he really mean he is for open borders

#91 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-11 02:34 AM | Reply

you have stocks in Amazon

#50 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM AT 2019-04-10 11:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG

If you have any investments, then you do too.

#92 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-11 08:19 AM | Reply

A guy made money?

Wow.

I bet the guy who broke the story about Al Gore living in a house broke this one too.

He breaks all the big ones.

#93 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-04-11 09:28 AM | Reply

"Socialism for thee but not for me." - Bernie

#94 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-04-11 09:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More proof the Democratic Party will lose in 2020.

Bruce and Corky holding Bernie to some socialist purity standards while republicans have zero standards for Trump.

Then the regular crowd of right wing mouth breathers stir up the pot and watch democrats bickering while their orange (------ destroys our nation.

Congratulations on handing Trump his 2020 victory.

#95 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The argument that you can't take part in the capitalist society you live in if you believe in democratic socialism is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.

#96 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-11 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The argument that you can't take part in the capitalist society you live in if you believe in democratic socialism is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.

#96 | POSTED BY JOE

AOC has been seen in cars...

#97 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-04-11 11:25 AM | Reply

"More proof the Democratic Party will lose in 2020"

They wouldn't if Alec Baldwin ran playing Donald Trump against the REAL Donald Trump.

I mean, the real Trump has already made a parody of the presidency, why not just go full out and run a parody campaign in retaliation?

#98 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-11 11:34 AM | Reply

I like what Bernie said....especially since he clearly didn't realize what he implied.

To rephrase his answer: "People who provide a valuable service should earn more than those who don't."

#99 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-04-11 11:44 AM | Reply

"To rephrase his answer: "People who provide a valuable service should earn more than those who don't."

Terrible rephrasing. Profit does not equate value.

#100 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-04-11 11:50 AM | Reply

Bruce and Corky holding Bernie to some socialist purity standards while republicans have zero standards for Trump.

I have a standard for Trump ... build the wall, limit immigration .... nothing else will benefit this country more.

It enables socialized healthcare.
It enables free college.
It enables wage increases naturally.
It enables decrease in income inequality.
It starts ameliorating the housing crises.

He hasn't done what he said he would do ... for this I hold him to task.

But he is the only one that will even say we need this, so he's really the only one that I will vote for.

#101 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-11 11:56 AM | Reply

Terrible rephrasing. Profit does not equate value.
#100 | POSTED BY NERFHERDER

What does? What is more valuable than time? Profit is time measured.

#102 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-04-11 12:00 PM | Reply

It's hilarious to see someone who is so against paying more money to people who actually do something have to squirm because he got more money for doing something.

#103 | Posted by humtake at 2019-04-11 12:15 PM | Reply

What's most interesting about this thread is the utter lack of understanding of what a democratic socialist is and how it's not the same as a socialist.

But. When you need to push an agenda, ignorance can be your best friend.

#104 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Terrible rephrasing. Profit does not equate value."

Profit, no. Price or cost, yes. A good or service is only worth that which a second party is willing to pay for the good or service. That amount, in turn, is determined by supply and demand.

I realize you may be talking about value that cannot be quantified, but that wasn't the original context.

#105 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-04-11 12:51 PM | Reply

#104 What's equally amusing are the people who call themselves democratic socialists who don't know the difference between democratic socialists and social democracy, yet feel compelled to argue about it.

Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.

and

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and a capitalist economy.

#106 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-04-11 12:56 PM | Reply

#106

Try looking at the difference between socialism and democratic socialism.

Not the difference between democratic socialism and social democracy.

Bernie doesn't live in a socialist nation and isn't suggesting we turn America into one.

He's referring to European democratic socialism and questioning what's preventing America from becoming one.

#107 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#107 You just succinctly demonstrated the problem.

1. There are no democratic socialist countries in Europe. There ARE some social democracies. The US is likewise a social democracy.
2. Economically, there is zero difference between an elected socialist and a Marxist socialist. Socialism is an economic system.
3. Bernie is a self-described democratic socialist, which means he's either a socialist or he's an idiot.

#108 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-04-11 01:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What's fujny is that when you add compulsory payments to the US tax rate we actually pay more than most civilized nations for a lower standard of living in almost every category. You can quibble about naming the different systems all you want, but the fact is our system is a ripoff.

#109 | Posted by JOE at 2019-04-11 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bruce and Corky holding Bernie to some socialist purity standards while republicans have zero standards for Trump."

Ummmmm holding him to his own pontificating. Yours too.

#110 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-11 04:39 PM | Reply

Dems might want to keep to one set of rules, even for Bernie.

#111 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-11 04:40 PM | Reply

The corporate media grasping at straws to take down the anti corporate candidate. Transparent as hell.

Bernie never said millionaires are bad. He said millionaires shouldnt be able to buy and control the government. If you see him lobbying to have his taxes cut, THEN he'll be a hypocrite.

This is a corporate takedown attempt. All you suckers fell for it.

#112 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-11 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ha ha. Only dear leader gets to be rich. Sounds like a road to hell.

#113 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-04-11 06:39 PM | Reply

If you're Bernie's age, with his job and his popularity and your net worth isn't $1,000,000+, you're a ------- idiot.

#114 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-04-11 06:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ha ha. Only dear leader gets to be rich. Sounds like a road to hell.

#113 | Posted by BruceBanner

Please show my any quote from bernie saying people shouldnt be rich. Just one.

Then when you can't find one, please admit that you're happily parroting corporate propaganda.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-11 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No one would believe that in America so many socialist have many elected to office as has happen in the past few years."

Not really?

Offer of more free stuff? The ability to disregard any social or civil responsibility?

It's just that previous generations would have been more ashamed to support these sorts of things

#116 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-11 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bruce.

Bernie said tax the rich, not burn the rich.

Your hysteria is unproductive.

#117 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"It's just that previous generations would have been more ashamed to support these sorts of things."

LOL
When in doubt, blame the Millennials.

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-11 07:37 PM | Reply

"The ability to disregard any social or civil responsibility?"

We have social and civic responsibilities?
That's not in the Constitution, is it?
I guess jury duty... anything else?

Did you mean like not cutting taxes on the rich or something???

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-11 07:39 PM | Reply

"The argument that you can't take part in the capitalist society you live in if you believe in democratic socialism is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard."

That's true, but Bernie's signature platform (before he became a 1%er) was going after the 1%ers.

I guess money does change people.

#120 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-11 07:42 PM | Reply

"We have social and civic responsibilities?"

I don't think so. There's nothing in the constitution providing for free healthcare, or a living wage, or free tuition.

Certainly nothing stating that the rich should pay everyone else's bills.

#121 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-11 07:48 PM | Reply

1. There are no democratic socialist countries in Europe. There ARE some social democracies. The US is likewise a social democracy.

We're a social democracy? Like Europe? Then let's incorporate their system of healthcare and education. What's the issue?

2. Economically, there is zero difference between an elected socialist and a Marxist socialist. Socialism is an economic system.

We don't currently have any socialists running for candidacy.

3. Bernie is a self-described democratic socialist, which means he's either a socialist or he's an idiot.
#108 | POSTED BY MUSTANG

Bernie is a social democrat, like the ones in Europe.

He's looking to expand our laws, which, by your own #1, are already part of our society.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 07:51 PM | Reply

The argument that you can't take part in the capitalist society you live in if you believe in democratic socialism is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.

Is that why you ignored the free lessons in #106 and #108? Willful ignorance to reinforce your erroneous understanding of socialism?

#123 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-04-11 07:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie's signature platform (before he became a 1%er) was going after the 1%ers.
I guess money does change people.
#120 | POSTED BY MYTHBOMBER

Has his message changed?

He admitted he made money off book sales.

Seems you feel he should run to the local shelter and hand out money.

You idiots are unbelievable.

He wants to set up a structure in our government where his money would be taxed accordingly and distributed to Americans and parts of America that could benefit more financially than someone who's not only financially secure, but also able to make up that money without much effort.

Again. Bernie never said burn the rich. He said tax them.

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 07:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#122

1. Of course we're a social democracy. Look it up. The difference between us and some European countries is a matter of scale.
2. Bernie is a self-described socialist. He says democratic socialist to confuse the feeble-minded, and it clearly works.
3. He's NOT a social democrat. Bernie Sanders: Why I'm a Democratic Socialist.
www.cnn.com

#125 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-04-11 08:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie is a social democrat, like the ones in Europe.

Make sure you take an ice bath, those goalposts are heavy.

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-11 08:04 PM | Reply

3. He's NOT a social democrat. Bernie Sanders: Why I'm a Democratic Socialist.
www.cnn.com

That is soooo 2016, he has totally changed.

-PunchyClown

#127 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-11 08:05 PM | Reply

It's just that previous generations would have been more ashamed to support these sorts of things

#116 | Posted by madbomber

How would previous generations have reacted to you morons electing a fascist lover like trump?

#128 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-11 08:10 PM | Reply

I guess money does change people.

#120 | Posted by madbomber

What did it change? Cite something.

#129 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-11 08:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course we're a social democracy. Look it up.

I was being sarcastic...

The difference between us and some European countries is a matter of scale.

Our budget is ample.

2. Bernie is a self-described socialist.

Self described? That clip from the 1980s?

He says democratic socialist to confuse the feeble-minded, and it clearly works.

Actually he says a lot of things. Perhaps you should listen to what he saying rather than trying to figure out what label to assign him.

You're so busy trying to figure why you don't want to like him, you're not even listening to him.

He's NOT a social democrat. Bernie Sanders: Why I'm a Democratic Socialist.
www.cnn.com

You should listen to the clip again. Everything he says is spot on.

You can play semantics until the cows come home. But at the end of the day. He's right. About everything he said in the cnn link you provided.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Make sure you take an ice bath, those goalposts are heavy.
#126 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

This comment makes no sense.

Are you trying to troll or get attention from mustang? The DR right's hierarchy is fascinating to behold.

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 08:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That is soooo 2016, he has totally changed.
-PunchyClown
#127 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I take it you didn't watch the clip either?

Why are you here?

To see how far up mustang's rump you can fit your head?

The size of your head, musty is gonna walk crooked for the rest of his life.

#132 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 08:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We have social and civic responsibilities?"
I don't think so.

Then why'd you say "The ability to disregard any social or civil responsibility?"

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-04-11 08:59 PM | Reply

This comment makes no sense.

Let's recap, shall we:

• about a month ago you were stating that Bernie was a Socialist and that basic government services were "socialism";

• about a week ago you changed and stated that Bernie was now a Democratic Socialist we needed so called "Nordic Socialism";

• about 2 hours ago you changed and stated that Bernie was now a Social Democrat and not a Democratic Socialist.

It's getting hard to keep up without a scorecard.

#134 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-04-11 09:01 PM | Reply

134 posts into a thread about bernie's supposed hypocrisy and not a single post with a quote from bernie showing any hypocrisy.

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-11 09:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

about a month ago you were stating that Bernie was a Socialist

Citation Necessary.

I've never said Bernie is a socialist. Perhaps you have me confused for yourself. You're the one who posted the article from the 80s with Bernie talking about socialism/being a socialist.

and that basic government services were "socialism";

Funded by socialism.

about a week ago you changed and stated that Bernie was now a Democratic Socialist we needed so called "Nordic Socialism";

If this false narrative is all you have to go on you're really lost.

about 2 hours ago you changed and stated that Bernie was now a Social Democrat and not a Democratic Socialist.

I've always called Bernie a Democratic socialist.

I was playing semantics by Mustang's rules so he could be happy about word games.

Seems like all you did was fall face first in attempt to be clever and score points with Mustang.

Sad.

#136 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 09:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

not a single post with a quote from bernie showing any hypocrisy

They got nothing. He isn't contradicting himself.

All they got now is nonsense about socialism.

#137 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He wants to set up a structure in our government where his money would be taxed accordingly and distributed to Americans and parts of America that could benefit more financially than someone who's not only financially secure, but also able to make up that money without much effort."

He doesn't need taxation for that to happen. He's more than capable of establishing the Bernie Sanders Trust for the impoverished.

"Like Jeff said, Socialism for thee, not for me" is pretty much the standard for wealthy progressives.

#138 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-04-11 10:00 PM | Reply

He's more than capable of establishing the Bernie Sanders Trust for the impoverished.

He never said he would.

He doesn't need taxation for that to happen.

Yes he does.

"Like Jeff said, Socialism for thee, not for me" is pretty much the standard for wealthy progressives.
#138 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

You dummies love gimmicks.

Something easy your dumb brains can remember.

#139 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-04-11 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Like Jeff said, Socialism for thee, not for me" is pretty much the standard for wealthy progressives.

#138 | Posted by madbomber

So show us an example of bernie saying that. Because until you do, you're arguing against the socialist phantoms that fox news implanted in your brain.

#140 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-11 11:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's always a good time to watch leftists form a circular firing squad. Right now it's establishment dems vs. the more radical wing of the party, but tomorrow it will be (present-day) minorities vs. whites (see, e.g., Sen. Booker's proposal for reparations; also, demographics). The democratic party is the self-devouring entity which keeps omm-nomm-nomm'ing itself because that's in its nature to do so. By embracing perceived victims and elevating them uber alles, the DNC will be smashed into a million pieces by the golem of its own creation.

#141 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-12 01:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#141 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-12 01:10 AM | R

So this imbecile is predicting a race war in the Dem party.

Are you the brother of madedumber or is this another account of our fake lawyer righttostupid?

#142 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-12 01:55 AM | Reply

Predicting? No. Observing, yes. It's already happening. Download it into your memory and you can thank me later.

#143 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-12 02:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The world is on fire and you are here to stay and burn with me
Our funeral pyre and we are here to revel forevermore (More)

www.youtube.com

#144 | Posted by berserkone at 2019-04-12 02:54 AM | Reply

I think you might've listened to helter skelter a little to much

#145 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-04-12 03:37 AM | Reply

Predicting? No. Observing, yes. It's already happening. Download it into your memory and you can thank me later.

#143 | Posted by berserkone

Trump's operatives will certainly try to make a race war withing the dem party, just like they did in 2016.

They'll be the ones asking "are you for reparations?" all the time to try and make black voters refuse to vote for anyone who doesnt agree to that ridiculous demand.

#146 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-04-12 01:15 PM | Reply

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